It’s OVER!
Oh, Brian…what have you wrought? Anyway, the truce/deal/agreement/whatever is dead. Done. Over. Finito. O’Reilly put GE and CEO Jeffrey Immelt front and center in his talking points memo. This was followed by O’Reilly talking more GE/Immelt with Dick Morris…
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August 5, 2009 at 5:30 pm
The MAD doctrine worked with the US and the Soviet Union.
Not so with these guys. They’ll nuke the world to satisfy their egos.
Management knows this but, at this point, can’t stop them. Not won’t – can’t.
Bombs away…..
August 5, 2009 at 5:53 pm
In the spirit of ridiculous conspiracy theories, I’ve decided to become a “Trucer”. This was all cooked up to boost interest and ratings for both programs.
O’Reilly & Olbermann are really great friends and they conspired together on this.
The memo to prove it should come out any day now.
August 5, 2009 at 5:57 pm
O’Reilly & Olbermann are really great friends and they conspired together on this.
Their birth certificates indicate that they were actually Siamese twins surgically separated when they were, er, 12. Yeah, 12.
The trauma of the separation was so intense that they became….well…you know the rest of the story.
August 5, 2009 at 6:03 pm
This means that Olbermann will go hard after Bill tomorrow night. He’ll probably use News Corp’s actions to justify GE’s, along with the usual mix of ad hominem jabs.
August 5, 2009 at 6:12 pm
And Katy Tur is actually Andrea Mackris.
If you look closely at the pictures, they look very similar. And they’re both in journalism…..
They were all in on it together all along!!
August 5, 2009 at 6:21 pm
Management knows this but, at this point, can’t stop them. Not won’t – can’t.
I disagree. It’s “won’t” not “can’t”. And the “won’t” is coming from the NBC side. It has too much riding on Olbermann.
August 5, 2009 at 6:35 pm
This is reality television I can get behind. I tried to watch Big Brother with my wife the other night. OMG people watch this crap?
August 5, 2009 at 6:37 pm
It’s “won’t” not “can’t”. And the “won’t” is coming from the NBC side. It has too much riding on Olbermann
I believe that’s my point (yes, I doubt my own posts). They can’t rein in Olbermann due to the investment they’ve made in him. He’ll walk if they push things.
As the saying goes, if you owe the bank $100,000 and don’t pay them back, you’re in trouble. But if you owe the bank $100 million and don’t pay them back, they’re in trouble.
MSNBC has given Olbermann $100 million dollars and they can’t let him walk away with it. Not won’t; can’t.
Much of that analogy probably applies to O’Reilly too.
August 5, 2009 at 6:38 pm
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Terrific, forgot to close my italics.
August 5, 2009 at 6:40 pm
No. It’s still won’t. They can do it. They choose not to. GE wants it done. NBC is scared to do it. And FNC does not have that kind of investment in O’Reilly. Not anymore. He’s important but not nearly as critical as say Hannity and Beck.
August 5, 2009 at 7:11 pm
No. It’s still won’t. They can do it. They choose not to. GE wants it done. NBC is scared to do it. And FNC does not have that kind of investment in O’Reilly. Not anymore. He’s important but not nearly as critical as say Hannity and Beck.
Spud…I’m confused & somewhat shocked by your statement. Is FNC playing more towards the future with Beck & Hannity or is there a plan for BOR to retire in the next few years? I would have thought that with his ratings, BOR would warrant a big investment by FNC.
I know Beck is popular @ 5pm but I’m not certain his show would/couild work @ 8pm & I’m not certain Hannity’s show is geared for an 8pm timeslot.
August 5, 2009 at 7:37 pm
wow… never saw this one coming from oreilly. expect a full on smackdown response from olbermann tomorrow night. this man needs to be exposed for his lies, as he has been for his entire “journalistic” career.
August 5, 2009 at 7:38 pm
From what I’ve seen since Beck arrived at Fox, it has seemed that O’Reilly has been a sort of mentor for Beck (while appearing on O’Reilly’s show, Beck has thanked O’Reilly for his advice on more than one occasion). Of course, Beck wasn’t new to t.v. but I have a feeling that Fox is looking long-term at Beck as the heir to the 8pm time slot.
Personally I think Beck is a goof, but he is very shrewed and has built a big audience and I don’t see why he couldn’t pull the same numbers that O’Reilly enjoys at 8pm.
August 5, 2009 at 7:41 pm
dougieness – Yeah, Olbermann will no doubt let loose tomorrow.
Not only has Olbermann refrained from going after O’Reilly the past 2 months but for the most part Fox had dropped off of his radar. Tonight he slammed Gretchen Carlson – so it’s game on once again.
August 5, 2009 at 7:49 pm
With KO’s attacks against Lou Dobb’s family (wife & kids) & his slamming Gretchen Carlson, don’t be surprised if Katy Tur’s name now becomes mentioned. I can just imagine Steve Doocey inquiring as to how she got her job at the Weather Channel & WNBC (New York).
The gloves are completely off & the nuclear weapons are now being loaded.
August 5, 2009 at 7:56 pm
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How the hell did Katy Tur get a job at the Weather Channel when they let go several “experienced” reporters…
August 5, 2009 at 7:57 pm
Chips, KO slams the idiocy of Doocey, Carlson & Kilmeade on a regular basis. It’s not really part of any “women” thing. Gretchen didn’t understand the difference between 2 cars and 2% of cars. Pretty easy target.
August 5, 2009 at 7:58 pm
Zoned…that is the $64,000 question many people were asking. She only worked for the WC for about 3 months and she’s now a weather forecaster for the flagship station in New York…(not a bad gig for a 25 year old).
August 5, 2009 at 8:01 pm
Joe…true but since he has gone after Dobb’s family don’t be surprised if it’s now “Open Season” on KO. Everything & I mean everything will be used against KO. Past relationships, ESPN, young girlfriend, etc…
I think we’re about to see some verbal nuclear weapons launched in the next few days.
August 5, 2009 at 8:03 pm
Joe…since I’ve switched over to Morning Joe I’ll be a little curious to see if Joe brings up the verbal warfare & the end of the “truce”. Too bad Mika is on vacation this week.
Hell, I might have to TIVO Fox & Friends just to catch up on any cross channel comments.
August 5, 2009 at 8:07 pm
We’re some sad, strange people, aren’t we?
August 5, 2009 at 8:09 pm
Laural1…I’m afraid we are.
August 5, 2009 at 8:09 pm
But in a good way.
August 5, 2009 at 8:10 pm
Bushleaguer and Dougieness… Keith Olbermann is a Liar, Pervert, Stalker and a Coward! Keith loves to criticize people he disagrees with politically but don’t you dare criticize him or you will be the WPITW! He has no journalistic integrity, he gets his facts or talking points from Media Matters, Daily Kossack or any other far left website…
August 5, 2009 at 8:10 pm
Thanks for pointing it out, Laural. I CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH.
August 5, 2009 at 8:11 pm
Chips, Tur is cute, right? Face it, that’s all it takes to be Local Weather Girl.
August 5, 2009 at 8:16 pm
Joe…normally I would agree with you but we’re talking the #1 market in the country. There are many “cute” female talent(s) across the country, but what makes Katy Tur so special to warrant a gig in NYC?
It definitely makes you scratch your head, doesn’t it???
August 5, 2009 at 8:17 pm
icn2 Says:
August 5, 2009 at 6:40 pm
GE wants it done. NBC is scared to do it.
It’s a conundrum. GE doesn’t like Olbermann mouthing off because it hurts their company (by annoying investors across the political spectrum… money is money), but NBC doesn’t really have much more going for it than Olbermann. If MSNBC loses Olbermann, his audience might reject all other MSNBC programs in protest… and that would take mediocre ratings down to nil… and that could sink them real quick. That’s the problem when all your eggs are in the same basket… and the basket has a loose grip on sanity.
And FNC does not have that kind of investment in O’Reilly. Not anymore. He’s important but not nearly as critical as say Hannity and Beck.
I’m not sure how you can say that. Hannity’s ratings are nowhere near O’Reilly’s, and he’s far less controversial (he’s just a right-wing Republican/Conservative… most times you know what he’s going to say before he says it). Beck is loony, and has been pulling in good numbers because he’s off the wall, but still not near O’Reilly, and how long will his shtick stay popular? Not saying he’s going to lose his whole audience, but watching him is exhausting! I just don’t think anyone on FNC compares with O’Reilly’s reputation, ability to bring controversy, or power with the audience. The loss of O’Reilly would be more damaging to FNC, than losing both Beck AND Hannity.
dougieness Says:
August 5, 2009 at 7:37 pm
“this man needs to be exposed for his lies, as he has been for his entire “journalistic” career.”
Wow… still throwing around the “lies” line, and providing no evidence or facts to back that up. And you say you’re an Olbermann fan… hmmm… I wouldn’t have guessed that.
joeremi Says:
August 5, 2009 at 8:11 pm
Chips, Tur is cute, right? Face it, that’s all it takes to be Local Weather Girl.
Perhaps… but she’s not a local weather girl… and working for the WC network (formerly WB) in the number one market (NYC), she wasn’t a weather girl… she was a reporter. I spend a lot of time with journalism students her age (my age), and despite their degrees, experience, and demo tapes, got as high as market 50. Tur got market 1… with no experience. Any guesses on how?
August 5, 2009 at 8:22 pm
My mistake INB. Chips refered to Tur as a weather forecaster. I know nada about her or the station she works for.
I’m a little confused about the “KO’s young girlfriend” tag, though. Since when is older well-off guys with pretty young girls a social taboo? Any older guys here care to protest if given the same oppurtunity?
August 5, 2009 at 8:23 pm
Olby can call out Gretchen Carlson for mistaking “two” for “two percent”, but my advice to Olby, who once suggested that the House of Representatives should mount a filibuster, is that if you’re going to insult someone else’s intelligence, then don’t chortle that what two percent means is “150 out of 75″.
August 5, 2009 at 8:31 pm
Since when is older well-off guys with pretty young girls a social taboo?
When you’re in your late 40s, and “dating” someone who started to buy beer LEGALLY… it’s a little taboo. Especially when you’re someone in a powerful position, it seems a little… sleazy, no?
My line of thought usually goes, if you’re old enough to be her father… you’re too old to be her “boyfriend.”
August 5, 2009 at 8:37 pm
OK INB, you’re a little more conservative than me on that one, too. From what I’ve seen, older guys/younger women tend to get along pretty well. There’s something about the experience vs. adventurous youth that seem to play off well against each other. In general I’m pretty open about anybody dating anybody, as long as they’re both happy and it’s legal.
My reason for bringing it up is that I find it hard to believe that most guys who take the “young girl” shot at KO can honestly claim purity on the issue if presented with a similar opportunity. You may not be one of those guys.
August 5, 2009 at 8:57 pm
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Ever heard the term “Trophy Wife”? Sen. Fred Thompson has young Wife that people in the media and the far left blogs attack him because of the age difference…
August 5, 2009 at 9:00 pm
Anybody attacking Thompson for his wife is an idiot…and if it’s a guy doing the attacking, a hypocrite. I’ve seen her. Good call, Fred!
August 5, 2009 at 9:07 pm
Assuming they’re all of legal age, I don’t give a rat’s who these people sleep with. If it’s a really old man or woman with a really young one then I have my suspicions, but still none o’ my beeswax.
Joe, if you touch one of my daughters I’ll kill ya.
August 5, 2009 at 9:16 pm
Al, I’m pretty meek. Your daughters would kill me. And my wife. And…
Before we completely lose sight of the subject, my point is, KO took a cheap shot at Dobbs’ family. I’m just warning against his opponents here returning the favor. If you want to question Tur’s employment as it relates to Olbermann, fine, but I’m highly suspicious of the “young girl” cracks.
August 5, 2009 at 9:27 pm
My daughters and your wife would get together and.. n’remind.
I was just giving you the opportunity to say what you just said. The “young girl” cracks are irrelevant and, now that I think about it, every bit as bad as the attacks on Sarah Palin have been.
August 5, 2009 at 9:39 pm
Why does FNC give Dick Morris a forum? He hates the Clintons. Period. His only claim to fame is working for them, then hating them. What’s the point of sticking him on the air to (predictably) say something critical of Bill Clinton’s performance in N. Korea? What a sleaze.
August 5, 2009 at 9:49 pm
Dick Morris has been a very successful political consultant who’s taken on gigs for candidates of both parties. He’s also worked the election campaigns for several foreign leaders. When it comes to the goings-on behind-the-scenes, he apparently knows his stuff.
August 5, 2009 at 9:58 pm
If they want to let the little creep do non-Clinton stuff, fine, but keep him away from today’s story. It was so predictable that he was going to use it as a screed against the Clintons and say the young women should go to labor camps. Dude makes me ill.
August 5, 2009 at 10:11 pm
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Dick Morris likes Bill Clinton but despises Hillary…
August 5, 2009 at 10:16 pm
Dick Morris likes Bill Clinton but despises Hillary…
Well that makes things all better, doesn’t it? His crack about the journalists suffering “the consequences” of crossing the little dictator was offensive.
August 6, 2009 at 2:43 am
“With KO’s attacks against Lou Dobb’s family (wife & kids)”
if i remember correctly, olbermann simply said that dobbs’ wife and kids are hispanic… how did he attack them?
August 6, 2009 at 2:51 am
“Wow… still throwing around the ‘lies’ line, and providing no evidence or facts to back that up. And you say you’re an Olbermann fan… hmmm… I wouldn’t have guessed that.”
INB, o’reilly has always been known to be a liar. its not secret the deception she spews. you want facts? how about all the bashing of tiller and falsely claiming
August 6, 2009 at 3:36 am
(clicked “submit comment by accident)
… that:
* dr. tiller supposedly aborted 60,000 fetuses for no reason and performed abortions if the women were feeling depressed. he showed no evidence of any of these things, and continued to repeat them.
* he also claimed that he was only “[i]reporting[/i]” on the groups that were calling dr. tiller “[i]tiller the baby killer[/i]“, when, in fact, he has repeated the nickname when reporting on him as well.
EXAMPLE: while talking to glenn beck on the factor, he said “[i]Now, we have bad news to report, that [b]Tiller the baby killer[/b] out in Kansas — acquitted. Acquitted today of murdering babies. I wasn’t in the courtroom. I didn’t sit on the jury. But there’s got to be a special place in hell for this guy.[/i]“.
* a little over a month after that glenn beck segment, in an interview with patricia ireland, he said “[i]In order to terminate a life, that has to be catastrophic. And I think it has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt, in [b]Dr. Killer’s[/b] case, that wasn’t what he was doing. But Ms. Ireland, we appreciate you coming him on.[/i]“. about a week later, after the san francisco chronicle reported on this, he denied ever saying it, and claimed “[i]That’s a lie. Transcripts prove what reporter Joe Garofoli wrote was false.[i/]”
* one last example… remember when he made the claim, “only Anderson Cooper at 10 o’clock covered the story”, regarding the shooting of the army recruiter? yeah, that was a lie debunked by cnn’s rick sanchez. but oreilly, being the big man that he is, he apologized, right? oh, but here is the interesting part… he claimed during his “apology” that he meant “in primetime” when saying what he said about cnn. well, he got us on that one, didnt he? nope, because campbell brown, who is also in primetime, covered the army recruiter murder. so he even lied when trying to rationalize his original lie.
August 6, 2009 at 3:39 am
correction: oops, oreilly is a “he”, not a “she”, as i misstated in my first post. just thought id clear up any possible confusion.
August 6, 2009 at 3:47 am
“Keith Olbermann is a Liar, Pervert, Stalker and a Coward!”
okay, lets see an example of one of his “lies”. while youre at it, how about an example of him being a “pervert”, “stalker” and “coward”? thanks.
“Keith loves to criticize people he disagrees with politically but don’t you dare criticize him or you will be the WPITW!”
um, yea, okay. so doesnt oreilly do the same exact thing on his show? have you never seen him talk about someone who bashed him and making it his top story in the “talking points memo”? im sure you have. and he has also brought it up in random segments on his show. you should know that being an avid oreilly viewer.
“He has no journalistic integrity”
more than oreilly and anybody else on fox news. he backs up his claims with facts, while fox news… um, doesnt.
“he gets his facts or talking points from Media Matters, Daily Kossack or any other far left website…”
again, any actual evidence of him doing that? and even if he were getting his stuff from media matters (i dont believe you can get “talking points” from a watchdog group), is it impossible to assume that oreilly gets his talking points from newsbusters and MRC? hell, he’s brought them on his show many times talking about the EEVIL “librul media”, so why would he do so?
August 6, 2009 at 6:49 am
> okay, lets see an example of one of his “lies”
* He ridiculed Sarah Palin for saying she’d put the federal checkbook online, when Palin said nothing about the federal checkbook (story lifted without checking from Kos) – 9/19/08
* He claimed Roger Ailes was running the Giuliani Presidential campaign
* He claimed an arrested woman thought an airbase was a FEMA camp because Glenn Beck said so, when she didn’t think it was a FEMA camp at all, and he claimed that on her myspace page contained Glenn Beck talking about FEMA camps, when it didn’t (story lifted without checking from Kos) – 8/3/09
* He ridiculed John Gibson for supposedly getting the facts wrong about something he said, when video and transcripts show Gibson had it right all along; no correction or apology ever made – 8/7/06
* He doctored and misrepresented an exchange O’Reilly had with a guest and lied about the woman’s reaction (rather than showing the video which wouldn’t fit his attack) to claim O’Reilly was stupid – 4/4/07
* He’s falsely claimed the people were fired who weren’t: Neil Cavuto, Alexis Glick, Liz Claman, Bernard Goldberg.
* He claimed Fox was distributing some sort of anti-MSNBC flyers at an industry event (a lie disproved by a post on this blog in its former life)
* He smeared Brit Hume by taking a comment he made about one event, applying it to a different event weeks later, and then slamming him for it. – 4/11/06
* He attacked Major Garrett over a Begala story claiming Garrett never reported Begala’s denials, when Garrett had done so–repeatedly–on the air.
* Olbermann did an entire segment about a leak to Fox, full of insults and chortles about why Fox got the leak first. He cited a Washington Post story, but that story never said that Fox got the leak first. In fact, it was clear that the leak went first to ABC News, who had it at least five hours before Fox did. Olby did the segment anyhow, and never corrected or apologized. – 10/10/07
So much for his “facts” and “integrity”. I haven’t even gotten around to some of the most outrageous, but it would take me all day to list them all.
As for Olby using Media Matters, if it’s just a watchdog group, then so is MRC and newsbusters. They both do the same thing: pick on media bias but only from one perspective. More troublesome is the stuff he lifts from sites like his own blog of choice, Daily Kos, without bothering to fact-check. Kos, the site that called Bush a racist, even as Olbermann objects to Beck calling Obama a racist. It’s that sort of tangle that weakens any claims on behalf of Olbermann’s “integrity”…that along with all the flasehoods he’s spewed and never corrected.
August 6, 2009 at 6:56 am
“You may not be one of those guys.”
Well, if I were to do that, I’d have to start a relationship with a 12 year-old. And an “adventurous youth” she might be… I think I’m going to have to pass!
A few years difference no biggie… such a dramatic difference of a middle-aged adult, and a fresh out of college graduate… still seems strange to me. In my mind, it seems like a mutual relationship of convenience… Olby gets an attractive young’un… and she gets a job at the Weather Channel. It’s a win-win… and yet, still a loss all around. Ew.
“Why does FNC give Dick Morris a forum? He hates the Clintons. Period.”
I half agree with you. Morris hates the Clintons, and it shines through every bit of commentary he gives. However, he does have a lot of inside information both on the Clintons, and working within the White House. And for that… he does serve a unique purpose.
“he showed no evidence of any of these things, and continued to repeat them.”/i>
False! There was ample evidence for both of those claims, including a number of investigations and reporting throughout Tiller’s home state.
he also claimed that he was only “[i]reporting[/i]” on the groups that were calling dr. tiller “[i]tiller the baby killer[/i]“,
False! Every time he said “Tiller, The Baby Killer,” he would follow it with, “as some groups call him,” or “as some call him in his home state,” etc.
“Transcripts prove what reporter Joe Garofoli wrote was false.”
And? Show me the transcripts.
“nope, because campbell brown, who is also in primetime, covered the army recruiter murder.”
Evidence, please.
“okay, lets see an example of one of his “lies”.”
This one is my favorite. Olbermann says, “Candidate’s wives are off limits…” but apparently, what he really meant, was “Democratic candidate’s wives are off limits.”
(Sadly, the video has been removed from YouTube… I guess NBC wasn’t a fan)
OOOOPS!
Oooh, and let’s not forget Olbermann’s FISA flip-flop… which got him called out by LEFT WINGERS! He was strongly against it when it was Bush’s program… but strangely for it, when it was Obama’s.
“him being a “pervert”,”
“stalker”
Please see above discussion of Rebecca Lobo, and following commentary:
http://www.olbermannwatch.com/archives/2007/03/did_keith_olber.php
“coward”?
Olbermann has famously said the idea of debating someone on his program makes him ill. Ever see him talk to someone who didn’t already expressly agree with his opinions? Combine that with the numerous stories about his first stint at MSNBC, and how he refused to report on the Clinton/Lewinsky scandal, and would spend time in the bathtub instead… “coward” seems to fit.
” so doesnt oreilly do the same exact thing on his show?”
Sometimes… but then O’Reilly will invite them on the program, do give their point-of-view. Olbermann, on the other hand, throws stones and then walks away.
“more than oreilly and anybody else on fox news. he backs up his claims with facts, while fox news… um, doesnt.”
Ha! You must be watching a different program if you believe that.
” again, any actual evidence of him doing that?”
You are aware that he’s a featured blogger for KOS, right? And previews his “Special Comments” there frequently, right?
“is it impossible to assume that oreilly gets his talking points from newsbusters and MRC?”
When O’Reilly reports a story, verbatim, the way one of those sites has reported the same story… you let me know, then we’ll have something to compare.
August 6, 2009 at 7:06 am
Ooh, here’s a fun link for you Dougie:
http://www.dailyfinance.com/2009/08/05/media-world-keith-olbermann-screwed-up-badly/
August 6, 2009 at 7:18 am
J$, INB, you should know better than to use facts and the truth were smacking down an Olbermann acolyte.
Reality doesn’t work in their universe.
August 6, 2009 at 8:39 am
I know… be I need to do something while drinking my morning coffee!
August 6, 2009 at 8:39 am
I know… but I need to do something while drinking my morning coffee!
August 6, 2009 at 11:59 pm
johnnydollar: thank you for giving me all those wonderful examples. while i am aware of some of those lies (as i am of the other media’s lies), is there any chance you can actually supply quotes or transcripts? giving dates and sketchy details doesnt always do it, and i dont have time to look for videos of every single one of those claims, especially since each one isnt on the internet, and if so, they are hard to find. id appreciate it, thanks. by the way, i can do the same thing you’re doing (with oreilly and fox news), if not better, with actual quotes and transcripts, and im not an official watchdog like you try to be. and when i made the point about oreilly possibly using NB/MRC for liberal misinformation, why did you turn it around on me and repeat the same thing? my whole point was if it goes one way, it should be able to go the other way as well. if oreilly uses a liberal watchdog, then olbermann can use a conservative watchdog. also, regarding DK, when bloggers on there made those comments about bush, how do you know they werent comments by anonymous bloggers that came on the site? its not like markos moulitsas went on, said it and agreed… unless you can prove otherwise. and oreilly’s integrity is questioned when he makes up lies and uses sources like the “paris business review”, which was proven to be a completely fabricated source. but that is just the tip of the iceberg with him… i could go on forever about oreilly more than you could ever wish to go on about olbermann, and i can use transcripts, too. can you?
imnotblue:
* well, if there was “ample evidence” of these claims he made, why dont you prove it? in fact, why didnt he? ive been following this tiller thing for a while, and i have never seen oreilly’s claims actually proven or backed up. and a lot of the reporting through kansas was obviously by the groups who were anti-tiller and wanted to kill the guy. what do you expect? oreilly probably used them to get his info, because every other source without an agenda said his practice was legal under kansas law, which it is. now, regarding my claim about oreilly calling him “tiller the baby killer”, you claim EVERYTIME (are you sure?) he said it, that he would follow it up with the groups that said it. that is absolutely false. he didnt do it EVERYTIME… majority, yes, but not EVERYTIME. did you not see when i imbedded oreilly’s quote in my last post? here it is again:
While talking to glenn beck on the factor, he said “Now, we have bad news to report, that Tiller the baby killer out in Kansas — acquitted. Acquitted today of murdering babies. I wasn’t in the courtroom. I didn’t sit on the jury. But there’s got to be a special place in hell for this guy.”
clearly, you missed that one, huh? and then after all of this, he even got called out by one of this own viewers who sent him an email:
“Mr. O’Reilly, how can you be sure that reciting ‘Tiller the baby killer’ over and over again did not inflame the assassin?” so im not the only one who noticed this.
* moving on, with the SF chronicle article, i already posted the part of a transcript where oreilly said “dr killer”, but i guess you missed that one too. here is a longer, but still partial transcript of his interview with patricia ireland:
O’REILLY: Well, in order to terminate a life… (interrupted)
IRELAND: The fact that Dr. Tiller was murdered is… (interrupted)
O’REILLY: In order to terminate a life, that has to be catastrophic. And I think it has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt, in Dr. Killer’s case, that
wasn’t what he was doing. But Ms. Ireland, we appreciate you coming him on.
IRELAND: You call him Dr. Killer, and he was murdered. And I think that that is… (cross talk)
O’REILLY: He was murdered.
IRELAND: … just outrageous.
O’REILLY: And so do I. I agree 100 percent with you. It cannot happen in America. Thank you for appearing tonight.
so what garifoli, and the san francisco chronicle, reported was not false and not a lie. oreilly was lying, again.
* so now, we go on to the oreilly claim that “only Anderson Cooper at 10 o’clock covered the story”… well, i have a little video of rick sanchez ripping into oreilly on this one, and showing footage of ALL the programs who covered the private long murder. sorry, no transcript, but since J$ likes to use videos instead of transcripts, why shouldnt i, right? and it seems like J$ is one of your favorite anti-liberal watchdogs. as i promised, here is the rick sanchez segment:
also, just to clarify so there isnt any confusion… i stated that campbell brown at primetime covered the private long murder, but in fact it was erica hill who was filling in for mrs. brown on her program, and she reported on it. the video also shows that.
* as for olbermann “attacking” cindy mccain, where was the attack on her? if you had actually produced the entire transcript (rather than just the last part), you would see that he attacked john mccain more than her in that segment. all he did was call out mrs. mccain on her claim that the senator doesnt want to run a negative campaign, when in fact he did. attacking her would be calling her a “fraud”, which he called the senator, NOT her. here is the video for that, too:
* moving onto the special comment on obama and the fisa bill, when did olbermann ever “flip-flop” on anything? as the individual who posted the youtube video states in the sub-text, olbermann criticized (then) senator obama for supporting the FISA bill regardless of the telecom immunity provision because the immunity (which he opposes) only covers civil cases, but provides no protection for criminal cases. this was the core of olbermann’s criticism and argument against obama… because he didnt support the fisa that involved criminal cases. so where is this “flip flop” that you speak of? obama supported the same thing bush supported, harry reid gave him a second chance and olbermann still went after him on it. have you even seen the entire special comment? well, here it is, if you find the time to do so:
and exactly what “left wingers” called him out on it? i would like to know who it was (if there were any).
* so your best example of olbermann being a “pervert” is when he reported on rich lowry’s disgusting fascination with sarah palin’s wink, and because he made a crack about masturbation? oh my god, lock him up! and your source for olbermann “stalking” rebecca lobo is robert cox, who links to a celebrity gossip site (jossip.com) that claims a “source”, “tipster” and “insider” said these things? wow… they are very descriptive with the people they talk to, arent they? they might as well have just used the national enquirer. and the link to the jossip story isnt even working! and like ESPN would actually talk about “stalking” that is going on inside of their company? that is probably why the “source”, “tipster” and “insider” were not identified… maybe because they are fake! its obvious “karmabites1” is not a real person as they have never come out into the public and identified themselves either. thats what happens when you use robert cox as a source.
* and then you claim that olbermann said that the idea of debating makes him ill? where is the cowardice in that? maybe he doesnt like debating on television, since most people who debate (yell and scream) on their programs end up looking stupid (oreilly, hannity, matthews, etc). however, by his own admission, olbermann has many conservative friends, and im sure he debates with them. i would, however, put in question the validity of him having conservative friends, but who can prove otherwise? im sure oreilly has many liberal friends. besides, is there an actual transcript where it shows him saying that debating makes him ill? im surprised robert cox is not in possession of this golden information, especially considering his obsession with olbermann. and you use the tired, old, pathetic claim that he sat in a bathtub, too? big surprise. and who is your source on that one? john gibson, who used to work with olbermann at nbc, and no longer has a show at fox? how reliable.
“Sometimes… but then O’Reilly will invite them on the program, do give their point-of-view. Olbermann, on the other hand, throws stones and then walks away.”
can you be a little more detailed, please? “throwing stones” is a little vague, wouldnt you say? if you cant, then prove it with a transcript or video of olbermann doing that. i backed up almost all my claims with video or transcript, and im sure you can do the same for majority of yours.
“Ha! You must be watching a different program if you believe that.”
obviously, you dont watch olbermann enough because you claim he says things he never said, such as a supposed “flip flop” on the fisa bill special comment about obama, when he actually criticized him for his vote, not support. after that, and getting the facts wrong on the oreilly/tiller stuff, how can i trust what you say now?
“You are aware that he’s a featured blogger for KOS, right? And previews his “Special Comments” there frequently, right?”
yes… and? so your claim is that he gets talking points from all the millions of bloggers on DK?
“When O’Reilly reports a story, verbatim, the way one of those sites has reported the same story… you let me know, then we’ll have something to compare.”
why dont you and J$ do the same thing with olbermann… point out a story where he repeats exactly what media matters says, and we’ll compare notes.
bigred08: oh no, red, you are mistaken. they were unable to actually use facts that were proven. J$ simply went down a list of olbermann doing this and that, and put the dates at the end. im sure many of those are true, but not very insightful or backed up with a video or transcript… what say you? most of what i have stated is proven. and as far as INB, he simply just denied my claims with “show me a transcript”, which i showed him (notice that i used the same tactic against him this time). and he said olbermann flip flopped on obama and fisa when he never did, and actually criticized him. the explanation is all above. its okay, though… they can think they have all the goods on me. its a fun exchange, and of course, as INB said, he needs to get hopped up on his extra caffeinated morning coffee to really get involved in these discussions.
August 7, 2009 at 5:07 am
Am I the only one who doesn’t give a hoot about this ‘story’?
August 7, 2009 at 6:39 am
I don’t know. It’s kinda growing on me. CableDeathRace 09. Has a ring to it;
August 7, 2009 at 6:54 am
“im sure many of those are true, but not very insightful or backed up with a video or transcript”
They have this new thing out called Google. You do a Google search of Olbermann watch and you’ll find transcripts and videos and links and stuff where I documented those Olbermann lies and dozens more. I don’t think we should make Spud’s comment thread a battleground to argue about incidents that have already been proven.
The other thing I might suggest is that you don’t make the mistake of casting this disagreement as one of angels vs demons. O’Reilly makes mistakes and so does Olbermann. If you are going to argue that either one of them is infallible then you’re just drinking the Kool-Aid, as Mr Bill would say. O’Reilly’s self-defense on his Tiller/Killer comments contorts reality. By the same token, Olbermann’s smearing other people based on nothing more than a discredited charge from a blue blog, or making attacks he knows to be false, diminishes his creds.
I have spoken!
August 7, 2009 at 6:59 am
–I have spoken!–
And few do it better. Props for reading through Castro’s speech, back there. I wasn’t even sure who he was talking to.
August 7, 2009 at 8:03 am
What were we talking about?
August 7, 2009 at 8:05 am
Do i have to tell you everything?
August 7, 2009 at 8:20 am
Do I have to tell you everything?
If you don’t mind.
August 8, 2009 at 3:18 am
johnnydollar: i completely agree with you. they both make mistakes, they both lie, and a lot of times never admit it… i just feel like i see a higher of ratio of lies from oreilly compared to olbermann. then again, maybe i just dont notice olbermann’s lies. oh well. to be honest, i would follow your site more if you documented both oreilly and olbermann’s lies. it would be a fun contest to see who out lies who.
but that is your prerogative.
laural1: i assume you are referring to me as “castro” for my long post, but i had a lot to cover when replying to INB and J$.
August 8, 2009 at 5:52 am
–dougie–
No worries. I just like to take a good shot now and then. Especially at a long-winded liberal. It’s just who I am.
August 8, 2009 at 9:46 am
Especially at a long-winded liberal.
Yeah, it’s the long-winded liberals that are the problem. Calling INB!