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Rajendra Pachauri, chairman of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change says
There is “virtually no possibility” of a few scientists biasing the advice given to governments by the UN’s top global warming body, its chair said today. What a bunch of BS!
Talk about denial and pure defensive behavior. I thought science always questions, verifies, replicates and reevaluates when corruption and missing data is exposed. If they threw away the raw data they are going to have to go back and do the science all over again and make it transparent. That’s the only way to conduct this research using the scientific method.
Remember how cock sure our leaders were that there were “weapons of mass destruction”
Next thing the UN will be saying is it’s a slam dunk. LOL
PS: (because of a lack of raw data) as of right now they cannot prove that there has been any global warming. Never mind Man Made global warming.
Of course that won’t stop the true believers; Thank God we still have freedom of religion.
If the Republicans are stupid enough to nominate Huckabee as their candidate in 2012, I’ll be voting for a 3rd party candidate. There is no way in he!! that I could ever vote for Huckabee. Quite frankly, there really is no difference between Huckabee & Mike Dukakis.
Talk about denial and pure defensive behavior. I thought science always questions, verifies, replicates and reevaluates when corruption and missing data is exposed. If they threw away the raw data they are going to have to go back and do the science all over again and make it transparent. That’s the only way to conduct this research using the scientific method.
Listening to people like L&J pontificate about the scientific method makes my ears bleed.
Reproducing my post on the topic below:
Only the wildest of conspiracy theorists could make a big deal out of this: “The data were gathered from weather stations around the world and then adjusted to take account of variables in the way they were collected. The revised figures were kept, but the originals — stored on paper and magnetic tape — were dumped to save space when the CRU moved to a new building.”
Any scientist would tell you, original data collected in the sixties on paper or magnetic media on ANY subject no longer exists anywhere. And if some prescient soul actually predicted that tossing it would cause eyebrows to be raised twenty to forty years hence and DID save the data, you wouldn’t be able to read it. Who’s still got a mag tape drive? Anyone? And if you did have a tape drive, the medium itself would have degraded to the point of being unreadable.
The fact that “Roger Pielke, professor of environmental studies at Colorado University” finds this suspicious tells me considerably more about him that it does about the CRU.
According to what I read on Huckabee’s site, his commuting the sentence didn’t actually result in this guy’s release. Here’s the quote:
He was recommended for and received a commutation of his original sentence from 1990, this commutation made him parole eligible and he was then paroled by the parole board once they determined he met the conditions at that time. He was arrested later for parole violation and taken back to prison to serve his full term, but prosecutors dropped the charges that would have held him.
So it looks like Huckabee commutes the sentence and allows for parole. He get’s paroled, but is arrested again. At that point, IMO, Huckabee’s responsibility is (to a great deal, but not completely) over. Once he was arrested again, his previous sentence is irrelevant. Prosecutors should have put him back in prison for life for parole violation… the fact that they didn’t leaves much of the responsibility on their door step.
I’ll give a hypothetical example: If Criminal X commits a crime, Governor B lets him out. After a while, Criminal X commits another crime and goes back to jail. In 10 years, Criminal X is paroled, and commits another crime. Is Governor B still responsible? Perhaps he’s responsible for the crime Criminal X committed that put him back into jail, but not the subsequent crime… the timeline of responsibility doesn’t fit.
Now, I know this will upset folks like Keith Olbermann and those on the left who like to blame any and everything on the right… and I know there are a lot of folks on the right who don’t like Huckabee and will try to blame him for this as well… but I’m not sure you can really pin this on his actions. He shouldn’t have allowed the parole board to hear this guys case, for sure… but this crime was not a direct result of him getting paroled. It was the result of later crimes, and their failure to be punished appropriately.
INB…my issue with Huckabee is that if he doesn’t commute the sentence then there is no motivation for the parole board to even consider Clemmons for parole. Huckabee started the “ball rolling” with his decision for commutation.
Well, Chips… I can’t argue with that. He certainly did start the ball rolling… however, had the prosecutor returned him to jail after he violated that parole, we wouldn’t be talking about this right now.
Yes, Huck has SOME blame, but I think there were enough safeguards after Huck had his hands on it, that we can’t really blame him for much in regards to this particular situation.
INB…it’ll be interesting to hear Huckabee’s views on the subject. I wonder if BOR will probe this subject or allow Huckabee the opportunity to put the best light (aka spin) on this politically damaging topic.
INB…I’m not completely disagreeing with you regarding Huck. However, we’re not even having this conversation if he doesn’t commute the sentence.
I agree with chipsohio about Huckabee. Seems like a nice guy, but he’s not Presidential material … and could we really elect a second President that comes from Hope, Arkansas ?????
As a Republican, my favorite come from nowhere candidate is SENATOR BOB CORKER of Tennessee. He impressed me regarding the auto bailout hearings as someone to quickly grasp the heart of an issue and deal with it. You heard it here first …. BOB CORKER for PRESIDENT …. in 2016. I think whoever runs against Obama will get nowhere, even if our country sinks as low as it can go. The DEMS will not let America’s first black President go down to defeat.
Well the MSM and the Left have had it rough trying to blame killings on the Right lately….first the Hood shootings which turn out to be a Muslim fanatic then the Censure worker who commuted suicide neither involved Beck and the Tea party’s,
So now they have a killing they can link to a Republican…even if the real story is a little more complicated than that..but I’m sure that won’t stop KO and the rest.
“So now they have a killing they can link to a Republican…even if the real story is a little more complicated than that..but I’m sure that won’t stop KO and the rest.”
I haven’t seen any liberal media blame Huckabee for these killings & certainly no gloating . All the reporting I’ve seen on cable news; both right and left; and there may be something I’ve missed; has been pretty straight reporting of the facts. The only ones blaming Huckabee are the far right blogs like Malkin’s. They seem to want to put the whole sad story on him. The left has been pretty Joe Friday so far. We’ll see what KO & Mr. Ed say tonight.
Not seeing much about Huckabee on MSNBC so far. Will libs go after a conservative for ‘liberal’ incarceration policies? I hope so. When it comes to crime and punishment, I’m as conservative as they come.
I first heard about Huckabee commuting the sentence of the suspect during the afternoon of the shooting the the Fox News reporter on scene. He repeated the same during a live shot in the evening. I thought it interesting that he said, “..commuted by Gov. Mike Huckabee” and not, ” …Gov. and Fox News host Mike Huckabee.”
Any scientist would tell you, original data collected in the sixties on paper or magnetic media on ANY subject no longer exists anywhere.
That’s a bunch sheet-bull. Never ever EVER get rid of raw data – it’s irreplaceable to researchers, and for purposes of research they haven’t even thought of conducting yet. At my university there’s a microfilm & electronic copy and I’d get smacked from here to Sunday for even suggesting to toss old data.
Individuals and families who can least afford to shell out extra money for energy will be the ones paying the brunt of the costs associated with climate change legislation. They and we deserve to have the science right before being forced into fast-tracked higher cost alternatives.
Less pollution is a good thing. So build me an electric big huge SUV, please.
But we don’t need definitive climate-change proof to know that cleaner energy plants – especially if we convert to electric cars and rely more on the electrical grid – are something we should strive for. There’s always going to be an argument that pollution controls cost the public money. That’s not a good enough excuse to not implement them. The auto industry spent years begging the government not to impose emmissions controls on cars because it would raise the price. 35-some years later, nobody complains about clean cars.
That’s a bunch sheet-bull. Never ever EVER get rid of raw data – it’s irreplaceable to researchers, and for purposes of research they haven’t even thought of conducting yet. At my university there’s a microfilm & electronic copy and I’d get smacked from here to Sunday for even suggesting to toss old data.
This is what the morons of denialism refuse to understand. THE DATA STILL EXISTS. the original medium it was on is no more. And even if it still existed, you couldn’t read it anyway.
INB, the Huckster freed over 1,100 convicts, including rapists, murderers, armed robbers and drunk drivers. This is hardly the first case of one of those he freed going back to a life of crime.
He has gone against the wishes of prosecutors and victims.
Clemmons was sentenced to 95 YEARS IN PRISON. He would still be rotting in jail if not for Huckabee. He is responsible for freeing this man. Period.
He believed rapist Wayne Dumond over the woman he raped. Dumond then raped again, and murdered at least one more woman.
Huckabee has a definite lack of judgment, and has blood on his hands.
I’d be in favour of new nuclear plants, joe, and we need to rebuild the power grid, anyway. But just because we want something doesn’t mean we can afford to pay for it. Over time these more efficient innovations will come anyway. The auto companies were quite successful at delaying emission control standards, and some weren’t possible until more recent computer technology came about.
We don’t really disagree much about these things. And it’s high time lorries are made with cleaner exhaust.
Doubtful… especially after the segment he did tonight on O’Reilly.
joeremi Says:
November 30, 2009 at 4:10 pm
What about the folks who are getting scammed out of their money buying phony “carbon offsets.”
This is a very big risk in deciding that a lie is acceptable, because the ends justify the means. And if this story blows up the way it perhaps should… the folks who were trying to “help” the environment (and make a few quick bucks at the same time), will be the ones responsible for the backlash they cause.
“The ends justify the means” is a bad plan.
bigred08 Says:
November 30, 2009 at 5:16 pm
Well… I think (but I’m not 100% sure) you’re mixing crimes. From what Huckabee said on O’Reilly, the guy was in prison for robbery, sentenced at age 16. Virtually everyone around the case gave their word that lowering the sentence to 45 years (and thusly granting parole… Huckabee didn’t release him, only lowered the sentence and gave possibility of parole) was acceptable for this crime.
However, there are a bunch of other crimes committed between that time and now… and he had been released or unpunished a number of times. The strongest story is that he was released within the past month on something like $15000 bail, after an alleged rape of a minor!
In short, unless he was bold faced lying on O’Reilly, there are a lot of bloody hands to go around… and Huckabee’s are by no means the worst off.
From what I hear about the case in question, Huckabee’s career should probably NOT be over, but from what I know about Republican politics, it probably is, at least for several years.
Well it looks like NBC has won the lottery. Apparently the White House party crashers will be on Today tomorrow (if I can put it that way).
Let the interviews begin.
My guess, they will turn up with a lawyer that will do most of the talking.
Next to Tiger & Elin Woods this as big as it gets for this week. I imagine the Woods will show up on 60 Minutes at some point holding hands and shed a few tears about how this was all a big misunderstanding.
Next to Tiger & Elin Woods this as big as it gets for this week.
Slow news hell. You would think Huckabee would be a big story, but it doesn’t seem to be playing out that way. I guess that angle will wait ’til he attempts to run for President again.
A lot of coverage on Huckabee tonight all all networks mostly (with the exception of KO) a rehash of the case as it stands and Huckabee giving his side (such as it is).
I’m coming down to view that all the far right trashing of Huck are Palin supporters and other Tea party types thinning the 2012 presidential ranks for the truly pure.
Newt, Paws & Mitts have been very quite so as to avoid getting drawn into the quicksand of this story.
Dana Perino is making a big push to take over Steve Ducey’s long standing lead as the dumb as a bag of hammers spokesperson on FNC. Her 9/11 comment on SH (not corrected by the way) is going to be hard for Steve to top but I have faith he’ll rise to the challenge.
Fritz, I think you underestimate how emotional this subject is for many people. I’m not one to give an abundance of creedence to the purity of many far-rightie activities, but I’m not willing to accept that criticism of Huckabee’s clemency policy is simply a Palin-supporter gambit.
Fritz is a tiresome unclearthur-wannabee. If conservatives don’t criticize Huckabee, then that’s because we’re not really serious about crime, and it only matters if a Democrat does it.
In any case, there’s not the slightest possibility that these instances won’t be brought up, should he decide to run again. Whether in the primaries, or as the nominee.
O’Reilly lost a huge amount of my respect tonight. I don’t always agree with him, but do expect him to give tough interviews. This sham with Huckabee was anything but.
No mention of the 1,103 other pardons/commutations the Huckster gave.
No mention of Wayne Dumond.
He allowed the Huckster to shift the blame elsewhere and totally tossed softballs. Very weak.
I would say O’Reilly asked all of the pertinent questions and Huckabee answered all of them. The interview wasn’t about “other pardons/commutations” Gov. Huckabee gave. Whether or not his answers were satisfactory is for the viewer to decide.
1. Al, IMO, Your points regarding “the Scientific Method are well made, shed light and delivered n a professional manner. Thank you. (yes I realize you don’t agree with me on many issues but I still appreciate your points) And yes, anything is possible but evidence sure helps.
2. Joe, the alleged global warming and the proposed Cap & Trade alleged solution is an important issue because it will affect you and every other American. My degree is in economics and it is an economic certainty that forcing Americans and the world to use higher cost energy will force millions of people “at margin” poverty level into poverty. I hope we can all agree that’s not good and should be undertaken only if absolutely necessary! I’m sure you don’t want me to bore you with the economic cause in effect but I will by request.
3. I’ve taken enough Science to know that in the modern era and up until now there has always been a true consensus that Scientific Method is the bedrock of good science. It must be followed to come to sound conclusions. For obvious reasons we don’t instituted wholesale changes on society based on hunches, theories or well meaning better safe than sorry scenarios. The unintended consequences of such actions would certainly do more harm than good. (see above)
4. Is CO2 a pollutant? Every animal on earth including man exhales CO2. Every plant on earth is dependent on CO2. Every forest fire, every volcano emits CO2. Every ocean and every forest or garden consumes CO2. CO2 is as natural as water. Would we call Water a pollutant? There is allot of gives and takes going on here and much is self adjusting for increases and decreases.
5. Over the years, we conservatives and libertarians have debated Art and endured his name calling on this blog. IE, we are morons today because we don’t agree. I often choose to refrain from responding to his points because their absurdity is self evident and he is rude. For example in one of his previous posts today he says :
“Any scientist would tell you, original data collected in the sixties on paper or magnetic media on ANY subject no longer exists anywhere.” A few sentences later he says “The fact that “Roger Pielke, Professor of Environmental studies at Colorado University” finds this suspicious tells me considerably more about him that it does about the CRU” Well Art, Professor Pielkle is a reputable scientists and he tends to disagree and I think he fits in the category of any scientist.
I’m now going to get off this subject.
PS: Huckabee is toast. He’s not libertarian enough for me.
Over the years, we conservatives and libertarians have debated Art and endured his name calling on this blog. IE, we are morons today because we don’t agree.
L&J – the morons I reference are the people who are bemoaning the ‘destruction of data’ when what really happened is the original MEDIUM the data was stored on was destroyed – the data itself exists, and what’s more, exists in multiple places. If you are one of those people who confuse the media with the data itself, then sadly, there is no hope for you – you are a moron.
100% correct, Al. O’Reilly had to stay on topic. This wasn’t about Huckabee… Huckabee was involved, but it isn’t “his story,” nor is about governors commuting sentences. I think the O’Reilly interview was very good, hit all the important points, and painted an accurate picture of THIS situation.
Thanks for your comments, blue and L&J. Unclear reminds me of an unhappy version of the mailman guy on Cheers, except Cliffy was nice.
I’ve not yet completely made up my mind on Huckabee’s actions, but he’s not looking good to me. I will say that I’d have preferred him over John McCain simply because he was a governor and had executive experience. Worse, though, this might even cost him the support of Chuck Norris.
The interview between BOR & Huckabee was fine with one glaring follow-up question that I wish would have been asked. When Huckabee stated that his contacted five different groups, I wish BOR would have asked if Huckabee’s office contacted the state prison to inquire regarding Clemmons behavior while he was incarcerated.
Since he was not a model prisoner, Huckabee should have disqualified Clemmons for any early commutation.
No, it is not. Higher levels of it do act as a blanket and retain heat, however. There are some fairly simple table-top experiments that you can conduct using household items and a balloon to prove this if you want.
Are CO2 levels higher today than they were say, 500 years ago? Yes. It is also true that they have been much much higher in times past. Can the more recent higher levels be attributed to human civilisation? To some extent, absolutely. CO2 is a by-product of the processes that form natural gas, for example, and can escape into the atmosphere when it’s pumped out of the wells. Obviously, it is also a by-product of the combustion of all fossil fuels.
The increase in atmospheric CO2 (this go-round, anyway) correlates to some extent with human societal development. This is the basis for the AGW theory. Is this a slam-dunk proof of AGW? Unfortunately no, because there are also a number of natural cycles that have been proven to increase atmospheric CO2 levels throughout Earth’s history, and at least a couple of these also correlate to the same time-frame of the recent elevations.
According to the USGS, we are now nearing the end of an intra-glacial period – a natural warming cycle between times of extreme cold. The warming cycle ended some time ago, actually, but core sample data from around the world has shown that ocean temps usually lag behind the cycle 600-700 years – and that’s near when we are today. Warm waters cannot hold as much CO2 as can cooler waters or ice, so it escapes to the atmosphere. When the cold returns it will again be absorbed – This can be tested with a simple experiment using one bottle of Coke and a balloon. That’s just one explanation competing with the global warming theory. Is this a slam-dunk proof that AGW is wrong? Unfortunately no, as it is plausible that one can piggy-back the other and compound the warming.
This is a long-winded way to get to my point: What we think or want to believe about AGW is irrelevant and citing little factoids here and there do not necessarily support or rebuke the theories. The truth lies in following the scientific method. And this is what really ticks me off about what those leading researchers at CRU and elsewhere have done. They squandered their science and left it for no better than junk.
Whenever we as a society make a major change some people do better because of it and some… well, die because of it. Going to war is an obvious example, but how about the diverting of corn crops for ethanol production? Hopefully more are helped by this but people are certainly starving because of the subsequent higher costs of food, too. Cap & Trade will siphon monies from society for the greater good, but there will be unintended consequences and some will be far worse off. Faulty research (partially) got us into the Iraq War. Faulty research is about to get us into the Stop Global Warming War. Demand that they get the science right before allowing them into your wallet.
Al, you are in for a great ride! We have a 10 year old lab and she is perfect. However, as you probably know, the 1st 3 or 4 years are going to be frantic high energy. Get yourself an invisible fence and make sure the dog has plenty of chew toys. Congrats and enjoy!
I lost my long-time Black Lab buddy earlier this year. Yogi was 14 and I was giving him insulin shots twice a day, and even had to carry his 110lbs up the stairs every night for bed. But before his retirement a couple years ago, my dog worked as a therapy pet in some of the local hospitals’ burn units and cancer centres giving joy to little kids and anyone else who needed a smile. With his vest on, he didn’t need a leash and even met a number of prominent state and federal politicians over the years. His big claim to fame, though, (aside from participating in “Run For The Cure” and MS Walk) was that he sniffed the butt of my state’s governor during a high school track meet where our kids were competing. She grinned ear-to-ear and accused me of telling my dog to do that. “If a picture shows up in the paper tomorrow!”, she exclaimed while shaking a finger at me. Then she spent a half hour cuddled with my dog.
Thought I was done with the dog routine now that my kids are mostly grown. Then I fell in love with a little fuzzball that wagged his tail and licked my face. After some growing and training, I think I just might have a job for this little bundle of joy in about two years.
November 30, 2009 at 8:13 am
Rajendra Pachauri, chairman of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change says
There is “virtually no possibility” of a few scientists biasing the advice given to governments by the UN’s top global warming body, its chair said today. What a bunch of BS!
Talk about denial and pure defensive behavior. I thought science always questions, verifies, replicates and reevaluates when corruption and missing data is exposed. If they threw away the raw data they are going to have to go back and do the science all over again and make it transparent. That’s the only way to conduct this research using the scientific method.
Remember how cock sure our leaders were that there were “weapons of mass destruction”
Next thing the UN will be saying is it’s a slam dunk. LOL
PS: (because of a lack of raw data) as of right now they cannot prove that there has been any global warming. Never mind Man Made global warming.
Of course that won’t stop the true believers; Thank God we still have freedom of religion.
November 30, 2009 at 8:57 am
More on Huckabee’s Horton.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2010385617_webmansought29.html
November 30, 2009 at 9:52 am
If the Republicans are stupid enough to nominate Huckabee as their candidate in 2012, I’ll be voting for a 3rd party candidate. There is no way in he!! that I could ever vote for Huckabee. Quite frankly, there really is no difference between Huckabee & Mike Dukakis.
November 30, 2009 at 11:09 am
Talk about denial and pure defensive behavior. I thought science always questions, verifies, replicates and reevaluates when corruption and missing data is exposed. If they threw away the raw data they are going to have to go back and do the science all over again and make it transparent. That’s the only way to conduct this research using the scientific method.
Listening to people like L&J pontificate about the scientific method makes my ears bleed.
Reproducing my post on the topic below:
Only the wildest of conspiracy theorists could make a big deal out of this: “The data were gathered from weather stations around the world and then adjusted to take account of variables in the way they were collected. The revised figures were kept, but the originals — stored on paper and magnetic tape — were dumped to save space when the CRU moved to a new building.”
Any scientist would tell you, original data collected in the sixties on paper or magnetic media on ANY subject no longer exists anywhere. And if some prescient soul actually predicted that tossing it would cause eyebrows to be raised twenty to forty years hence and DID save the data, you wouldn’t be able to read it. Who’s still got a mag tape drive? Anyone? And if you did have a tape drive, the medium itself would have degraded to the point of being unreadable.
The fact that “Roger Pielke, professor of environmental studies at Colorado University” finds this suspicious tells me considerably more about him that it does about the CRU.
November 30, 2009 at 11:15 am
Here’s my take on the Huckabee stuff.
According to what I read on Huckabee’s site, his commuting the sentence didn’t actually result in this guy’s release. Here’s the quote:
So it looks like Huckabee commutes the sentence and allows for parole. He get’s paroled, but is arrested again. At that point, IMO, Huckabee’s responsibility is (to a great deal, but not completely) over. Once he was arrested again, his previous sentence is irrelevant. Prosecutors should have put him back in prison for life for parole violation… the fact that they didn’t leaves much of the responsibility on their door step.
I’ll give a hypothetical example: If Criminal X commits a crime, Governor B lets him out. After a while, Criminal X commits another crime and goes back to jail. In 10 years, Criminal X is paroled, and commits another crime. Is Governor B still responsible? Perhaps he’s responsible for the crime Criminal X committed that put him back into jail, but not the subsequent crime… the timeline of responsibility doesn’t fit.
Now, I know this will upset folks like Keith Olbermann and those on the left who like to blame any and everything on the right… and I know there are a lot of folks on the right who don’t like Huckabee and will try to blame him for this as well… but I’m not sure you can really pin this on his actions. He shouldn’t have allowed the parole board to hear this guys case, for sure… but this crime was not a direct result of him getting paroled. It was the result of later crimes, and their failure to be punished appropriately.
November 30, 2009 at 11:25 am
INB…my issue with Huckabee is that if he doesn’t commute the sentence then there is no motivation for the parole board to even consider Clemmons for parole. Huckabee started the “ball rolling” with his decision for commutation.
November 30, 2009 at 12:20 pm
Well, Chips… I can’t argue with that. He certainly did start the ball rolling… however, had the prosecutor returned him to jail after he violated that parole, we wouldn’t be talking about this right now.
Yes, Huck has SOME blame, but I think there were enough safeguards after Huck had his hands on it, that we can’t really blame him for much in regards to this particular situation.
November 30, 2009 at 12:21 pm
BREAKING NEWS:
Huckabee to appear on The O’Reilly Factor tonight.
http://www.huckpac.com/?Fuseaction=Blogs.View&Blog_id=2909
(h/t to J$)
November 30, 2009 at 1:44 pm
INB…it’ll be interesting to hear Huckabee’s views on the subject. I wonder if BOR will probe this subject or allow Huckabee the opportunity to put the best light (aka spin) on this politically damaging topic.
INB…I’m not completely disagreeing with you regarding Huck. However, we’re not even having this conversation if he doesn’t commute the sentence.
November 30, 2009 at 2:01 pm
I agree with chipsohio about Huckabee. Seems like a nice guy, but he’s not Presidential material … and could we really elect a second President that comes from Hope, Arkansas ?????
As a Republican, my favorite come from nowhere candidate is SENATOR BOB CORKER of Tennessee. He impressed me regarding the auto bailout hearings as someone to quickly grasp the heart of an issue and deal with it. You heard it here first …. BOB CORKER for PRESIDENT …. in 2016. I think whoever runs against Obama will get nowhere, even if our country sinks as low as it can go. The DEMS will not let America’s first black President go down to defeat.
November 30, 2009 at 2:03 pm
Well the MSM and the Left have had it rough trying to blame killings on the Right lately….first the Hood shootings which turn out to be a Muslim fanatic then the Censure worker who commuted suicide neither involved Beck and the Tea party’s,
So now they have a killing they can link to a Republican…even if the real story is a little more complicated than that..but I’m sure that won’t stop KO and the rest.
November 30, 2009 at 2:09 pm
chipsohio Says:
November 30, 2009 at 1:44 pm
Agreed.
November 30, 2009 at 2:33 pm
“So now they have a killing they can link to a Republican…even if the real story is a little more complicated than that..but I’m sure that won’t stop KO and the rest.”
I haven’t seen any liberal media blame Huckabee for these killings & certainly no gloating . All the reporting I’ve seen on cable news; both right and left; and there may be something I’ve missed; has been pretty straight reporting of the facts. The only ones blaming Huckabee are the far right blogs like Malkin’s. They seem to want to put the whole sad story on him. The left has been pretty Joe Friday so far. We’ll see what KO & Mr. Ed say tonight.
November 30, 2009 at 3:16 pm
Not seeing much about Huckabee on MSNBC so far. Will libs go after a conservative for ‘liberal’ incarceration policies? I hope so. When it comes to crime and punishment, I’m as conservative as they come.
November 30, 2009 at 3:18 pm
I first heard about Huckabee commuting the sentence of the suspect during the afternoon of the shooting the the Fox News reporter on scene. He repeated the same during a live shot in the evening. I thought it interesting that he said, “..commuted by Gov. Mike Huckabee” and not, ” …Gov. and Fox News host Mike Huckabee.”
November 30, 2009 at 3:22 pm
…Fox News host Mike Huckabee.
Not for long.
November 30, 2009 at 3:42 pm
Any scientist would tell you, original data collected in the sixties on paper or magnetic media on ANY subject no longer exists anywhere.
That’s a bunch sheet-bull. Never ever EVER get rid of raw data – it’s irreplaceable to researchers, and for purposes of research they haven’t even thought of conducting yet. At my university there’s a microfilm & electronic copy and I’d get smacked from here to Sunday for even suggesting to toss old data.
November 30, 2009 at 3:46 pm
God the climate change debate bores me. Do we really need to prove this particular theory before agreeing that less pollution is a good thing?
November 30, 2009 at 4:01 pm
Individuals and families who can least afford to shell out extra money for energy will be the ones paying the brunt of the costs associated with climate change legislation. They and we deserve to have the science right before being forced into fast-tracked higher cost alternatives.
Less pollution is a good thing. So build me an electric big huge SUV, please.
November 30, 2009 at 4:10 pm
But we don’t need definitive climate-change proof to know that cleaner energy plants – especially if we convert to electric cars and rely more on the electrical grid – are something we should strive for. There’s always going to be an argument that pollution controls cost the public money. That’s not a good enough excuse to not implement them. The auto industry spent years begging the government not to impose emmissions controls on cars because it would raise the price. 35-some years later, nobody complains about clean cars.
November 30, 2009 at 4:25 pm
That’s a bunch sheet-bull. Never ever EVER get rid of raw data – it’s irreplaceable to researchers, and for purposes of research they haven’t even thought of conducting yet. At my university there’s a microfilm & electronic copy and I’d get smacked from here to Sunday for even suggesting to toss old data.
This is what the morons of denialism refuse to understand. THE DATA STILL EXISTS. the original medium it was on is no more. And even if it still existed, you couldn’t read it anyway.
You still playing your eight-track tapes?
November 30, 2009 at 4:36 pm
Gotta love Chris Matthews’ forehead.
http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/msnbc/chris_matthews_on_family_guy_144378.asp
November 30, 2009 at 5:16 pm
INB, the Huckster freed over 1,100 convicts, including rapists, murderers, armed robbers and drunk drivers. This is hardly the first case of one of those he freed going back to a life of crime.
He has gone against the wishes of prosecutors and victims.
Clemmons was sentenced to 95 YEARS IN PRISON. He would still be rotting in jail if not for Huckabee. He is responsible for freeing this man. Period.
He believed rapist Wayne Dumond over the woman he raped. Dumond then raped again, and murdered at least one more woman.
Huckabee has a definite lack of judgment, and has blood on his hands.
November 30, 2009 at 5:46 pm
I’d be in favour of new nuclear plants, joe, and we need to rebuild the power grid, anyway. But just because we want something doesn’t mean we can afford to pay for it. Over time these more efficient innovations will come anyway. The auto companies were quite successful at delaying emission control standards, and some weren’t possible until more recent computer technology came about.
We don’t really disagree much about these things. And it’s high time lorries are made with cleaner exhaust.
November 30, 2009 at 6:25 pm
joeremi Says:
November 30, 2009 at 3:22 pm
…Fox News host Mike Huckabee.
Doubtful… especially after the segment he did tonight on O’Reilly.
joeremi Says:
November 30, 2009 at 4:10 pm
What about the folks who are getting scammed out of their money buying phony “carbon offsets.”
This is a very big risk in deciding that a lie is acceptable, because the ends justify the means. And if this story blows up the way it perhaps should… the folks who were trying to “help” the environment (and make a few quick bucks at the same time), will be the ones responsible for the backlash they cause.
“The ends justify the means” is a bad plan.
bigred08 Says:
November 30, 2009 at 5:16 pm
Well… I think (but I’m not 100% sure) you’re mixing crimes. From what Huckabee said on O’Reilly, the guy was in prison for robbery, sentenced at age 16. Virtually everyone around the case gave their word that lowering the sentence to 45 years (and thusly granting parole… Huckabee didn’t release him, only lowered the sentence and gave possibility of parole) was acceptable for this crime.
However, there are a bunch of other crimes committed between that time and now… and he had been released or unpunished a number of times. The strongest story is that he was released within the past month on something like $15000 bail, after an alleged rape of a minor!
In short, unless he was bold faced lying on O’Reilly, there are a lot of bloody hands to go around… and Huckabee’s are by no means the worst off.
November 30, 2009 at 6:54 pm
From what I hear about the case in question, Huckabee’s career should probably NOT be over, but from what I know about Republican politics, it probably is, at least for several years.
Nyuck nyuck nyuck.
November 30, 2009 at 7:17 pm
Well it looks like NBC has won the lottery. Apparently the White House party crashers will be on Today tomorrow (if I can put it that way).
Let the interviews begin.
My guess, they will turn up with a lawyer that will do most of the talking.
Next to Tiger & Elin Woods this as big as it gets for this week. I imagine the Woods will show up on 60 Minutes at some point holding hands and shed a few tears about how this was all a big misunderstanding.
November 30, 2009 at 7:24 pm
Next to Tiger & Elin Woods this as big as it gets for this week.
Slow news hell. You would think Huckabee would be a big story, but it doesn’t seem to be playing out that way. I guess that angle will wait ’til he attempts to run for President again.
November 30, 2009 at 7:41 pm
A lot of coverage on Huckabee tonight all all networks mostly (with the exception of KO) a rehash of the case as it stands and Huckabee giving his side (such as it is).
I’m coming down to view that all the far right trashing of Huck are Palin supporters and other Tea party types thinning the 2012 presidential ranks for the truly pure.
Newt, Paws & Mitts have been very quite so as to avoid getting drawn into the quicksand of this story.
Dana Perino is making a big push to take over Steve Ducey’s long standing lead as the dumb as a bag of hammers spokesperson on FNC. Her 9/11 comment on SH (not corrected by the way) is going to be hard for Steve to top but I have faith he’ll rise to the challenge.
November 30, 2009 at 7:52 pm
Fritz, I think you underestimate how emotional this subject is for many people. I’m not one to give an abundance of creedence to the purity of many far-rightie activities, but I’m not willing to accept that criticism of Huckabee’s clemency policy is simply a Palin-supporter gambit.
November 30, 2009 at 8:01 pm
Fritz is a tiresome unclearthur-wannabee. If conservatives don’t criticize Huckabee, then that’s because we’re not really serious about crime, and it only matters if a Democrat does it.
In any case, there’s not the slightest possibility that these instances won’t be brought up, should he decide to run again. Whether in the primaries, or as the nominee.
November 30, 2009 at 8:02 pm
If conservatives don’t criticize Huckabee, then that’s because we’re not really serious about crime, and it only matters if a Democrat does it.
You mean it’s NOT Okay if a Republican Does It??
November 30, 2009 at 8:11 pm
O’Reilly lost a huge amount of my respect tonight. I don’t always agree with him, but do expect him to give tough interviews. This sham with Huckabee was anything but.
No mention of the 1,103 other pardons/commutations the Huckster gave.
No mention of Wayne Dumond.
He allowed the Huckster to shift the blame elsewhere and totally tossed softballs. Very weak.
November 30, 2009 at 8:35 pm
I would say O’Reilly asked all of the pertinent questions and Huckabee answered all of them. The interview wasn’t about “other pardons/commutations” Gov. Huckabee gave. Whether or not his answers were satisfactory is for the viewer to decide.
November 30, 2009 at 8:37 pm
1. Al, IMO, Your points regarding “the Scientific Method are well made, shed light and delivered n a professional manner. Thank you. (yes I realize you don’t agree with me on many issues but I still appreciate your points) And yes, anything is possible but evidence sure helps.
2. Joe, the alleged global warming and the proposed Cap & Trade alleged solution is an important issue because it will affect you and every other American. My degree is in economics and it is an economic certainty that forcing Americans and the world to use higher cost energy will force millions of people “at margin” poverty level into poverty. I hope we can all agree that’s not good and should be undertaken only if absolutely necessary! I’m sure you don’t want me to bore you with the economic cause in effect but I will by request.
3. I’ve taken enough Science to know that in the modern era and up until now there has always been a true consensus that Scientific Method is the bedrock of good science. It must be followed to come to sound conclusions. For obvious reasons we don’t instituted wholesale changes on society based on hunches, theories or well meaning better safe than sorry scenarios. The unintended consequences of such actions would certainly do more harm than good. (see above)
4. Is CO2 a pollutant? Every animal on earth including man exhales CO2. Every plant on earth is dependent on CO2. Every forest fire, every volcano emits CO2. Every ocean and every forest or garden consumes CO2. CO2 is as natural as water. Would we call Water a pollutant? There is allot of gives and takes going on here and much is self adjusting for increases and decreases.
5. Over the years, we conservatives and libertarians have debated Art and endured his name calling on this blog. IE, we are morons today because we don’t agree. I often choose to refrain from responding to his points because their absurdity is self evident and he is rude. For example in one of his previous posts today he says :
“Any scientist would tell you, original data collected in the sixties on paper or magnetic media on ANY subject no longer exists anywhere.” A few sentences later he says “The fact that “Roger Pielke, Professor of Environmental studies at Colorado University” finds this suspicious tells me considerably more about him that it does about the CRU” Well Art, Professor Pielkle is a reputable scientists and he tends to disagree and I think he fits in the category of any scientist.
I’m now going to get off this subject.
PS: Huckabee is toast. He’s not libertarian enough for me.
November 30, 2009 at 8:42 pm
Over the years, we conservatives and libertarians have debated Art and endured his name calling on this blog. IE, we are morons today because we don’t agree.
L&J – the morons I reference are the people who are bemoaning the ‘destruction of data’ when what really happened is the original MEDIUM the data was stored on was destroyed – the data itself exists, and what’s more, exists in multiple places. If you are one of those people who confuse the media with the data itself, then sadly, there is no hope for you – you are a moron.
November 30, 2009 at 8:46 pm
Al Says:
November 30, 2009 at 8:35 pm
100% correct, Al. O’Reilly had to stay on topic. This wasn’t about Huckabee… Huckabee was involved, but it isn’t “his story,” nor is about governors commuting sentences. I think the O’Reilly interview was very good, hit all the important points, and painted an accurate picture of THIS situation.
November 30, 2009 at 9:23 pm
Thanks for your comments, blue and L&J. Unclear reminds me of an unhappy version of the mailman guy on Cheers, except Cliffy was nice.
I’ve not yet completely made up my mind on Huckabee’s actions, but he’s not looking good to me. I will say that I’d have preferred him over John McCain simply because he was a governor and had executive experience. Worse, though, this might even cost him the support of Chuck Norris.
November 30, 2009 at 10:30 pm
The interview between BOR & Huckabee was fine with one glaring follow-up question that I wish would have been asked. When Huckabee stated that his contacted five different groups, I wish BOR would have asked if Huckabee’s office contacted the state prison to inquire regarding Clemmons behavior while he was incarcerated.
Since he was not a model prisoner, Huckabee should have disqualified Clemmons for any early commutation.
November 30, 2009 at 10:56 pm
L&J: Is CO2 a pollutant?
No, it is not. Higher levels of it do act as a blanket and retain heat, however. There are some fairly simple table-top experiments that you can conduct using household items and a balloon to prove this if you want.
Are CO2 levels higher today than they were say, 500 years ago? Yes. It is also true that they have been much much higher in times past. Can the more recent higher levels be attributed to human civilisation? To some extent, absolutely. CO2 is a by-product of the processes that form natural gas, for example, and can escape into the atmosphere when it’s pumped out of the wells. Obviously, it is also a by-product of the combustion of all fossil fuels.
The increase in atmospheric CO2 (this go-round, anyway) correlates to some extent with human societal development. This is the basis for the AGW theory. Is this a slam-dunk proof of AGW? Unfortunately no, because there are also a number of natural cycles that have been proven to increase atmospheric CO2 levels throughout Earth’s history, and at least a couple of these also correlate to the same time-frame of the recent elevations.
According to the USGS, we are now nearing the end of an intra-glacial period – a natural warming cycle between times of extreme cold. The warming cycle ended some time ago, actually, but core sample data from around the world has shown that ocean temps usually lag behind the cycle 600-700 years – and that’s near when we are today. Warm waters cannot hold as much CO2 as can cooler waters or ice, so it escapes to the atmosphere. When the cold returns it will again be absorbed – This can be tested with a simple experiment using one bottle of Coke and a balloon. That’s just one explanation competing with the global warming theory. Is this a slam-dunk proof that AGW is wrong? Unfortunately no, as it is plausible that one can piggy-back the other and compound the warming.
This is a long-winded way to get to my point: What we think or want to believe about AGW is irrelevant and citing little factoids here and there do not necessarily support or rebuke the theories. The truth lies in following the scientific method. And this is what really ticks me off about what those leading researchers at CRU and elsewhere have done. They squandered their science and left it for no better than junk.
Whenever we as a society make a major change some people do better because of it and some… well, die because of it. Going to war is an obvious example, but how about the diverting of corn crops for ethanol production? Hopefully more are helped by this but people are certainly starving because of the subsequent higher costs of food, too. Cap & Trade will siphon monies from society for the greater good, but there will be unintended consequences and some will be far worse off. Faulty research (partially) got us into the Iraq War. Faulty research is about to get us into the Stop Global Warming War. Demand that they get the science right before allowing them into your wallet.
November 30, 2009 at 11:19 pm
Grieve with me a moment. He killed my first husband, 22-years-ago, and just for now, it feels like yesterday.
http://www.floridatoday.com/article/20091201/NEWS01/912010331/1086/rss07
November 30, 2009 at 11:28 pm
Then just for now it was yesterday. And your first husband is now being remembered by someone he never met.
November 30, 2009 at 11:30 pm
Ron Grogan. And thank you.
November 30, 2009 at 11:36 pm
Thoughts for Ron, slightly teary eyes for you. And you’re very welcome.
November 30, 2009 at 11:46 pm
Laura1…my thoughts and prayers for you & Ron. I cannot even attempt to understand the grief you faced & continue to encounter 22 years ago.
December 1, 2009 at 12:32 am
God bless Ron Grogan, Gerry Johnson, and all those brave officers who strive to keep us safe.
I’m glad this is finally over for you, Laura.
December 1, 2009 at 6:10 am
Laural1, Please accept my condolences, thoughts and prayers.
December 1, 2009 at 6:44 am
I have a new Black Lab puppy, 8 weeks old. Name is Morgan and he tries so hard to please.
Just peed on my foot. Good thing the little guy is cute.
December 1, 2009 at 6:53 am
Al, you are in for a great ride! We have a 10 year old lab and she is perfect. However, as you probably know, the 1st 3 or 4 years are going to be frantic high energy. Get yourself an invisible fence and make sure the dog has plenty of chew toys. Congrats and enjoy!
December 1, 2009 at 9:22 am
Wow. My condolences Laura. I’m very sorry to read that. You will both be in my prayers tonight.
December 1, 2009 at 1:00 pm
I have a new Black Lab puppy, 8 weeks old. Name is Morgan and he tries so hard to please.
Just peed on my foot. Good thing the little guy is cute.
Puppies and babies. they have to be cute – it’s the only way their species would survive.
I think it’s called Survival of the Cutest?
December 1, 2009 at 3:44 pm
Survival of the cutest, indeed!
I lost my long-time Black Lab buddy earlier this year. Yogi was 14 and I was giving him insulin shots twice a day, and even had to carry his 110lbs up the stairs every night for bed. But before his retirement a couple years ago, my dog worked as a therapy pet in some of the local hospitals’ burn units and cancer centres giving joy to little kids and anyone else who needed a smile. With his vest on, he didn’t need a leash and even met a number of prominent state and federal politicians over the years. His big claim to fame, though, (aside from participating in “Run For The Cure” and MS Walk) was that he sniffed the butt of my state’s governor during a high school track meet where our kids were competing. She grinned ear-to-ear and accused me of telling my dog to do that. “If a picture shows up in the paper tomorrow!”, she exclaimed while shaking a finger at me. Then she spent a half hour cuddled with my dog.
Thought I was done with the dog routine now that my kids are mostly grown. Then I fell in love with a little fuzzball that wagged his tail and licked my face. After some growing and training, I think I just might have a job for this little bundle of joy in about two years.
December 2, 2009 at 2:49 pm
Listen to Art, guys. He has the right take on things. His feet are planted firmly on the ground.