Free for All: 01/13/09

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42 Responses to “Free for All: 01/13/09”

  1. Baltimore Sun TV critic Dave Zurawik is right – the O’Reilly interview – using that term loosely – with Sarah Palin was propaganda. O’Reilly gave her so many softballs that I thought he was going to do the interview upside down.

    In partial defense, since Palin now works for FNC I guess O’Reilly believed he had to scale back on the tough questions.

    Still, not one of O’Reilly’s better efforts.

  2. Tonight we get Palin with Glenn Beck for the entire hour. Apparently her first week is a continuation of the book tour. Under the circumstances, they should ditch The Sarah Palin Propaganda Tour and stick with Haiti.

  3. ^
    Compared to what Beck and Hannity will do with Palin; O Reilly will look like Mike Wallace

  4. Okay, it was as I said too soft but still more probing then Olbermann’s swooning interview with candidate Obama during the campaign.

    O’Reilly really needed to drill down on the issue of how she polarizes the nation so much and what she’ll do to mitigate that if she aspires for national office.

    If she can’t do that, she’s got zero chance of being elected – among other problems she has.

  5. Steve, she’s got zero chance of being elected if she never learns to form a coherent sentence. “Government out of the way/private sector/health care/job creation” might be good enough for the Christian Right that already supports her, but the ‘moderate middle’ that elects Presidents are going to need at least a couple of details. She’s still talking in crowd-pleasing slogans like she’s answering a Miss USA question. And she’s not even as good at it as Carrie Prejean.

  6. zonedaiatlas Says:

    ^
    Kinda like electing the current President with catchy phrases and no experience at the executive level…

    So please explain to me why the people on the far left hates her? Also explain to me why the people on the far left think she’s stupid?

  7. Huff Post is reporting that Pat Robertson says the Haitian disaster was caused because the Haitian people made a pact with the devil.
    Well that explains everything.

  8. My Reaction to the Pat Robertson thing was the same as your’s Fritz. But then I watched the video and I can kinda se where he’s coming from. It is certainly not something I would say but I get what he means. BTW, what does that have to do with cable news? If we wanted to know what Huffpo was “reporting” we would be on Huffpo, not ICN>

  9. It’s Free For All, and Pat Robertson’s ridiculous remark – while children are screaming under rubble – is related to the biggest story in the news right now, so give me a break.

    OK, dittoheads, help me out here. Liberal radio is reporting that Rush advised against sending money for Haiti because “they already have enough of our money”. Please tell me that’s not true. They’re getting some of my money right now.

  10. Dylan Ratigan should watch tape of his Haiti coverage today. No yelling. Much better.

  11. The Jon Stewart/John Yoo interview (such as it was) was a near total embarassment for Stewart whether you’re a defender of Yoo’s or a critic.

    Granted, some of the issues are complex and not easily explained in sound bits but Stewart showed that he didn’t even have a basic understanding of the matters involved.

    To his supporters again, repeat after me: he’s a comedian (a very good one) and not a, as he sometimes tries to be, serious political pundit.

  12. Agreed, Steve, he whiffed it…and was man enough to admit it last night.

  13. “I can kinda see where he’s coming from” “I get what he means”
    Corny: Where he’s coming from is nutbar city and what he means is if you don’t believe in the same God as him an earthquake is going to destroy you and your family. His whole one island two countries idea is bazaar at best.
    As to the other thing Joe said it all for me.

  14. -Robertson-
    Anyone who has read James Michener’s ‘Caribbean’ can quickly grasp Pat Robertson’s statement insofar as how what transpired a few hundred years ago explains the plight of modern-day Haitians as well as the disparity that now exists between the two countries of the island of Hispaniola.

    That part rings quite true… if one ignores that it started with slaves killing and running for their freedom. But in classic Pat Robertson style, it is rather dumb for a televangelist to use the phrase “pact with the devil” when describing that history and plainly moronic for him to tie it in with a catastrophic tectonic earthquake. Yeah, I “get” the biblical connotations and how something good may arise from the rubble, but that’s the sort of message a priest, rabbi, or preacher should make with a small group who can ask questions. Pat Robertson is a jerk.

    -Limbaugh-
    “We are the most charitable and the most generous people on the face of the earth. Each and every time a natural disaster like this happens, we step up. We are there.” Afterward there was a caller exchange in which, agreeing with the caller, he essentially advocated donating through charitable aid organisations and churches instead of directly to Haiti or through whitehouse.gov.

  15. Yeah, Rush is a hell of a guy, congratulating the President for ingratiating himself with ‘the light-skinned’ and ‘dark-skinned’ segments of society. For every decent thing he says, he throws out three whoppers. Some people have too much airtime for their own good.

  16. Well, there you go Al. Quoting Limbaugh in context. You know liberals hate that.

  17. Next we’ll be seeing the stories about how the United Nations ranks the USA well below other countries in disaster relief donations, of course ignoring the fact that the sum of donations made my individual Americans to foreign relief efforts is usually more than all of those other countries combined.

  18. In context: a caller complained to Rush about Obama directing donations to whitehouse.gov, and they both implied that the money would be siphoned away from disaster relief because The Government was handling it. Then Rush started bellowing about our taxes supporting Haiti, which…I don’t even know what the point of that was.

    My point is – betwen the light-skinned/dark-skinned comments, and the income-taxes/whitehouse.gov paranoia – Rush and his lemming dittoheads politicized the destruction of possibly 100,000 lives in order to have a little entertaining Obama Bad radio. Disgraceful.

  19. TVNewser has the numbers from last night. It looks like CNN did a very solid 2nd for every hour in both total & demo. Looks like they made the right decision in covering the earthquake wall to wall. As you might expect the numbers were up for everyone on the night
    They also are reporting about Beck beating out Hannity for a Palin interview. Hannity looks to be next followed by Greta I assume. then who knows F&F and Cavuto and Bret. I doubt Shep will get a shot; to much chance of a followup question that might prove hard to answer.

  20. – too much chance of a followup question –

    Yes. Something other than ‘can you tell us why you’re the one we’ve been waiting for?’. Exaggerating? Of course I am. But still.

  21. I doubt Shep will get a shot; to much chance of a followup question that might prove hard to answer.

    Ha! A 300-yard restraining order against Shep is probably in her contract.

  22. missy5537 Says:

    After all the unfair press and ridicule Sarah has been getting, these softball interviews on Fox are a welcome dream.

    And I agree w/ Joe re: her sentence structure, plus the fact that she rarely uses the word “I”. It is certainly improper English, but welcomed, in my case, because I know WAY too many self-centered people who use “I” constantly!

  23. -light-skinned/dark-skinned comments-

    Probably proving the point that those who *yawn* about Sen. Reid’s comments will be quick to point their fingers at his parody of them.

    But I’m not a ditto-head. I could probably count on the fingers of one hand the number of times I’ve listened to Limbaugh over the past two years… and I’d still be able to pick my nose. I used to listen more often and long ago concluded that the vast majority of criticisms were either snippets of his words dishonestly taken out of context or a failure to comprehend parody.

  24. Did anyone see that nude photo of Scott Brown from Cosmo that was on MSNBC tonight? I can’t remember which show;Hardbal,l I think. Great bod. Who knew.

  25. ^ The man sounds smitten.

    Ratings wise, looks like both CNN & FNC made the right choice for how to cover Haiti.

  26. ^ Not me, but the wife certainly was. :-)

  27. Al, don’t give me that crap. I criticized Reid’s ‘light-skinned’ comment and called for his ouster; and I didn’t take a damn thing out of context. Rush picked a day when people are still buried alive to whine about federal aid to an incredibly impoverished – and now decimated – nation, imply that Obama couldn’t be trusted to funnel donations to people need, and made a stupid racial crack while he was at it. Rush “Michael J. Fox purposely stayed off his meds so he could move like this” Limbaugh should stfu. At least until the dead are buried. For God’s sake.

  28. *wondering how joe really feels*

  29. For Limbaugh to try and score political points with this tragedy is disgusting but not surprising. He pulls garbage like this all the g-d time with everything and he’s just contemptible. He really is.

    And for Matthews to follow along and use the race card with Limbaugh and accuse him of “stirring the pot of race” is not helping things. If Haiti were made entirely of Albinos, Limbaugh would use it for political gain.

    Matthews and his sick fixation on race and racial “tribalism” is really getting out of hand.

    There’s no hope with Limbaugh but I’ve got a little for Matthews.

  30. He’s on the air for three hours and political poking and prodding is his schtick. His radio show is like an ongoing soap opera in which it takes some time before a listener can recognise the subtleties. Some enjoy that sort of thing and some don’t.

    In a way, Matthews is like that, too. No biggie.

  31. Go ahead, Al, keep justifying his madness. Not everything is a left/right game for ratings. Bringing up race on any level in relation to the President’s response to such a horrible tragedy, especially while people are still buried alive, is beyond reprehensible. It’s evil.

  32. That’s like criticising Jay Leno for telling Obama jokes the day after the earthquake. Leno doesn’t have a “‘news” show and neither does Limbaugh.

  33. “political poking and prodding is his schtick.”
    Al : There’s a lot of stuff that was acceptable 50 years ago (the Grand Ol’ Opry did blackface skits in the early days as humor) but isn’t acceptably in the 21st century. Rush’s “schtick” falls into that category.

  34. Really? Jay Leno doing comedy is the same as a serious race-based attack on a black President responding to a human catastrophe in Haiti? That’s insane. And I don’t care what Jay or Rush do for a living; if either one of them makes cracks about race or Haiti “already getting our income taxes” at this moment in time, they should lose their jobs out of common decency.

    I realize in this age of the internet – where any left- or right-wing a$$hole can say the most disgusting things on they’re preferred blog – it’s anything goes, but I reject it. Sometimes wrong is just wrong.

  35. – Rush’s “schtick” falls into that category. –

    God, Fritz, does that knee jerk a lot? You should have that looked into. ‘Blackface skits’, no overblown BS there.
    Having said that, one problem I have with Rush is his occasional inability to separate the humane from the political. On an entirely different order-of-magnitude, it’s like the crack he made about Clinton bringing back those girls from Korea. He just couldn’t miss the opportunity to make a third-grade joke about Clinton’s ‘interests’ in that situation. Well, the story wasn’t about Clinton, it was about the women and what they’d been through. Making a crass sex-joke was…crass.
    One can easily justify saying that charitable contributions are better given to charities, than funneled through government. The light/dark-skin bit was probably a play on the Harry Reid-thing, but not really described that way. Humanitarian disaster taken as yet another opportunity to bust on Obama. SOP, but not my thing.

  36. Joe, I don’t even like Limbaugh much – not my thing. But I think you’re judging him based upon false characterisations. He’s not nearly as nasty as you make him out to be. Truly, his “light skin/dark skin” was little different than what Dr. Marc Lamont Hill & Ann Coulter were joking about on Red Eye the other night.

    For the longest time I’d read something and tell myself, “That’s it, the SOB’s gone over the edge this time.” But after investigating myself I’d quickly discover that his words were either taken out of context or the writer failed to disclose that the words were extracted from something clearly made as a parody, and this is always done to use Rush Limbaugh as a political tool.

    Yes, what happened in Haiti Tuesday was tragic. Really sad part is, Port Au Prince was a tragedy Monday.

  37. And Al is absolutely right about the Left’s continual misrepresentation of the things Rush says on his show. That’s why I don’t believe a word said about him until I’ve heard it myself. If a fourth of what was said about him was true, I wouldn’t be a listener for as long as I have. Imus is funnier, but his other schtick got tiresome a long time ago.

  38. gettingpwned Says:

    i’m an independent voter. and i will NEVER vote for palin. moron. absolute imbecile. did she answer ANY question beck gave her? she thought he’d quiz her on the statue of liberty?!?! what the ?!?!?!?!!
    what planet is this woman from?? and her favorite founding father answer was mind numbingly familiar for some reason. glenn and his stupid gotcha journalism!

    she brings nothing to the table that makes me want to vote for her. she’s a bad quote machine. and if she were half as attractive as she is, she’d be completely irrelevant to the republicans.

    robertson-
    wow… “it’s true.” why? because you’re so old that you witnessed the pact being made? “it’s true” .. what a lowlife.

    limbaugh-
    that man is just sad. how hateful can people be? honestly.

  39. And I agree with the infallible chickie about the Clinton joke. Limbaugh is a smart man. Like Ann Coulter, he knows just what words to use in order to get himself slammed by the left-wing blogs and media publications. He long ago learned that such free publicity boosts his ratings and income. In that sense, he’s a radio slu t.

  40. Al, “light skin/dark skin” in relation to Reid/Obama, apart from tragedy, is fine. It’s the ‘touching tragedy’ I have a problem with. I’m going to say it again, because I don’t think it’s sinking in. There are children under concrete slabs. Right. Now. This is not an appropriate time for right-wing attacks on the President. Just give it a few days. That does not seem unreasonable to me.

    Look, maybe I’m a little touchy about Rush. His ridicule of Michael J. Fox made me sick. I have Aspergers. Would it be OK if I was a public figure, and he mocked my difficulty talking on the phone to make a political point? His “politics first, humanity second” is what bothers me. He only seems to care about those he approves of. The rest are expendable.

  41. -a little touchy about Rush-

    I’d say you’re a little touchy about a lot of things, joe. Not a thing wrong with that.

    I didn’t like what he said about Michael J. Fox, either, even though I understand his reasoning that if MJF could use the symptoms of his disease as a lobbying tool for garnering an emotional response toward a desired controversial political outcome, then the same are fair game to be used toward the opposing point of view. It is true that Mr. Fox was off his medications during the time of his testimony, and Limbaugh construed that to be an intentional act.

    While I can’t say with certainty that Mr Fox did not do that intentionally, I can say with absolute certainty that taking a Parkinson’s patient off meds temporarily is a common medical necessity.

    In this instance, benefit of doubt unquestionably goes to Mr. Fox. So Limbaugh F’d up. In doing so, he also managed to forever lose an opportunity to persuade a segment of society to his points of view. Worse, he gave joeremi the upper hand in a friendly debate with me. Rush is such a jerk.

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