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^ And it’s a staffer shooting his/her mouth off in a private conversation. It’s not even clear that Brown was responding to the word itself when he said, “I’m going to use that.” He may have meant “I’m going to use the ‘beholden to special interest’ ” angle, which makes a lot more sense. A veteran politician – especially of Jerry Brown’s track record and demeanor – is not likely to consider using such an incendiary phrase in a campaign, and it’s hard to imagine him even pondering it privately.
For all we know, this staffer mouths off like Rahm Emanuel all the time, and Brown barely noticed. If you listen to the audio, the “whore” comment comes out of the blue in that way that coarse people do. Campaign War Rooms are not for the faint of heart, and I doubt most of them would survive a morality test.
“it’s hard to imagine him even pondering it privately” Really? And you know this how? He’s a politician for god’s sake and every politician pretty much does whatever they need to do to win and if it is tasteless they blame it on some low level staffer that they can fire publicly and then take care of them after the dust settles. Jerry Brown is no angel!
“it’s hard to imagine him even pondering it privately” Really? And you know this how?
It’s an opinion, Pam. That’s generally the idea of a comment section. I’ve lived in CA. all my life, and followed and admired Mr. Brown for most of it. He can play hardball with the best of them, but I don’t think he would seriously consider calling a female opponent a whore to be a smart campaign tactic. Just. My. Opinion.
Come on, LS, you know better than that. “Wh***ng” is an unpleasant but common and generic term in politics for “selling out to special interests”. Not all “bad words” are the same, and a racist one would certainly be different. From either side.
In case I haven’t stated the obvious..the staffer sounds ridiculous talking like that. I don’t consider private conversations where somebody calls someone else a bad name inherently offensive to the other party – it was not directed at her for her to hear – but it’s still an unpleasant comment. Personally, I wouldn’t put much faith in the political skills of the idiot that said it, and if I were the candidate, I’d ditch ‘em.
The quote wasn’t that she was “whoring” or “selling out”. The quote was “she’s a whore”. Big difference. They wouldn’t have used that term had they been talking about a male.
It was a private conversation about being beholden to a special interest, which is the context the word is always placed in in politics. You’re grabbing at straws, and Meg Whitman is hardball enough herself that she’s probably glad her campaign chats haven’t been miced.
The fine line here is that Brown didn’t himself use the word, and it’s vague which part of the conversation he was reacting to. If you had specifically heard Brown say “she’s a whore”, not some idiot campaign kid, we would have a much bigger story.
And for God’s sake don’t call me The Left. My name is Joe.
I’m not grasping at straws, I’m simply pointing out the double standard. Also, I wasn’t calling you the left. I was, again, pointing out the double standard from the left as a whole. The left (in general) twists and turns statements to try and somehow find something racial about them. Here, we have a guy calling a female a “whore”. It’s unusual for the left to be so concerned about “context”.
I know that’s not typically you, Joe. You’re pretty fair minded and from what I’ve read from you, non-hypocritical. From my POV, I don’t care about they guy calling her a “whore”. I care about the double standard when something comes from a lefty as opposed to a righty.
Double standards are part of the game. If Whitman had been caught in a similar situation, Brown would have screamed bloody murder. And it still would have added up to not much.
LS makes a good (and amusing) point; it would be difficult to think of a direct equivalent. But in general my attitude is the same: getting pissy behind closed doors about your opponent is your own business. As Jim Norton on Red Eye would say..grow up, get over it.
Actually – being that the word as it’s bandied around in political circles is neutral – it’s conceivable that Whitman’s crew could use it the same way Browns’s did, but all it would generate is amusement.
Wow, the last thing I needed was a Droid phone with instant access to ICN at all times, eh? I realize I didn’t start the topic on this thread, but beating it to death on a Sat. night is ridiculous. Bye kids!
I don’t really care what words people use in private, but it seems more likely that NOW would if an R said it. Having said that, when was the last time anyone cared what NOW thought?
Oh right, I forgot about that part. I don’t care what NOW thinks either, but considering the non-political variation of that word that is sometimes applied to woman, I thought the timing of their endorsement was amazingly stupid.
Got the HTC EVO 4G through Sprint. It’s pretty swell, but it’s HUGE. It reminds me of the giant phones they used to have on Seinfeld, especially in my little tiny hands.
Fox News Watch sucks. They presented the cyber-bullying suicide of a gay young man vs. a black girl who got shot, then asked why “the gay one” got more attention from the MSM. Fortunately, the entire panel had the sense to point out that the new phenomenon of young people’s lives being Facebooked – and sometimes destroyed – to the world was noteworthy.
I’ll take Hit & Run over Park & Spitz any day. CNN needs to pull a Jay & Conan and accept that they made a mistake and fix it. Sanchez may be a blowhard that deserved to be knocked down a notch, but he doesn’t deserve to have his career flushed while THIS disaster drags the pioneering cable news network into irrelevancy.
HOT: Parker/Spitzer debut. The show started off badly and didn’t get much better as the week progressed. It’s not over yet but if it continues as it started the deathwatch will commence.
HOT: MSNBC announces new ‘Lean Forward’ promotional campaign. The first ads are interesting but we will have to wait a few more weeks to see how the talent ads look to see if this is going to make a difference in branding and eventually ratings.
HOT: Weather Channel starts giving opinions. Spud thinks this is a big deal; but most commenters seem to feel the network is just doing what it has to to stay relevant.
HOT: MSNBC.com to change its name to something else. Most seem to think this is a bad idea as the name is very well known so why change. Personally I don’t think there will be any longstanding consequences.
HOT: Eric Bolling changes the name of his show. As one commenter put it “If a tree falls etc.” Agreed.
HOT: ‘The Last Word’ stays hot. Lawrence O’Donnell continues to have the best bookers in cable news. Michael Steele & Lou Dobbs were the water-cooler stories of this weeks shows.
HOT: LOD apologies to Michael Steele. In what now becomes the gold standard for cable news apologies O’Donnell said he was sorry for using the word ‘masters’ when referring to Steele’s bosses. Heartfelt does not do it justice.
HOT: The Lou Dobbs debate. Once again LOD played what could have been a messy debate perfectly by staying out of it for the most part.
HOT: Jansing & Co. debuts. Jansing showed what a great Dayside host looks like but her show may need a bit of tweaking. Richard Lui plays the role second banana as well as could be expected.
HOT: ‘Freedom Watch’ to go primetime on FNB. If, as people say, the judge is a rising libertarian star then he may be a ratings threat to whatever FNC primetime show he goes up against. CNN & MSNBC viewers aren’t likely to watch.
HOT: Rumor that Katie Couric is going to CNN. To replace who? Not going to happen.
HOT: Rumor that Capus will replace Hoffman at CNBC. Yet another rumor that doesn’t make much sense logically.
HOT: Rick Sanchez apologizes. First step on comeback trail but still a long long way to go.
NOT HOT: Glenn Beck to go on sick leave. It will be interesting to see who guest hosts.
NOT HOT: Coverage of Duke s*x list story. ‘nough’ said.
October 8, 2010 at 10:59 pm
HOT: Parker Spitzer debuts, and the disgraced client of high priced hookers isn’t the creepiest part of the show.
HOT: Rick Sanchez sees rehearsals of Parker Spitzer and goes stark raving mad.
NOT: Chris Jansing is a goddess. Or something..I can’t quite tell what happened there.
October 9, 2010 at 4:43 am
HOT: Parker Spitzer attacked Sarah Palin every night, and their ratings show that is not the way to success.
NOT HOT: NOW endorses Brown AFTER team Brown called Meg a “whore”. What’s up with that?
October 9, 2010 at 8:59 am
It’s the National Organization for Liberal Women. Get over it.
October 9, 2010 at 10:03 am
^ And it’s a staffer shooting his/her mouth off in a private conversation. It’s not even clear that Brown was responding to the word itself when he said, “I’m going to use that.” He may have meant “I’m going to use the ‘beholden to special interest’ ” angle, which makes a lot more sense. A veteran politician – especially of Jerry Brown’s track record and demeanor – is not likely to consider using such an incendiary phrase in a campaign, and it’s hard to imagine him even pondering it privately.
For all we know, this staffer mouths off like Rahm Emanuel all the time, and Brown barely noticed. If you listen to the audio, the “whore” comment comes out of the blue in that way that coarse people do. Campaign War Rooms are not for the faint of heart, and I doubt most of them would survive a morality test.
October 9, 2010 at 11:32 am
HOT: LO’D apology. Straightforward and sincere.
NOT: “Lean Forward” MSNBC. Yuck. Sounds like a Daylight Saving Time change PSA.
NOT: Parker/Spitzer. No wonder the Couric rumors have restarted.
NOT: OP/ED on The Weather Channel.
October 9, 2010 at 12:31 pm
“it’s hard to imagine him even pondering it privately” Really? And you know this how? He’s a politician for god’s sake and every politician pretty much does whatever they need to do to win and if it is tasteless they blame it on some low level staffer that they can fire publicly and then take care of them after the dust settles. Jerry Brown is no angel!
October 9, 2010 at 12:40 pm
“it’s hard to imagine him even pondering it privately” Really? And you know this how?
It’s an opinion, Pam. That’s generally the idea of a comment section. I’ve lived in CA. all my life, and followed and admired Mr. Brown for most of it. He can play hardball with the best of them, but I don’t think he would seriously consider calling a female opponent a whore to be a smart campaign tactic. Just. My. Opinion.
October 9, 2010 at 1:11 pm
I’m sure you’d feel the same way, Joe, had the word been a derogatory word towards blacks and the staffer a Republican.
October 9, 2010 at 1:24 pm
Come on, LS, you know better than that. “Wh***ng” is an unpleasant but common and generic term in politics for “selling out to special interests”. Not all “bad words” are the same, and a racist one would certainly be different. From either side.
In case I haven’t stated the obvious..the staffer sounds ridiculous talking like that. I don’t consider private conversations where somebody calls someone else a bad name inherently offensive to the other party – it was not directed at her for her to hear – but it’s still an unpleasant comment. Personally, I wouldn’t put much faith in the political skills of the idiot that said it, and if I were the candidate, I’d ditch ‘em.
October 9, 2010 at 1:31 pm
The quote wasn’t that she was “whoring” or “selling out”. The quote was “she’s a whore”. Big difference. They wouldn’t have used that term had they been talking about a male.
Another HUGE double standard from the left.
October 9, 2010 at 1:37 pm
It was a private conversation about being beholden to a special interest, which is the context the word is always placed in in politics. You’re grabbing at straws, and Meg Whitman is hardball enough herself that she’s probably glad her campaign chats haven’t been miced.
The fine line here is that Brown didn’t himself use the word, and it’s vague which part of the conversation he was reacting to. If you had specifically heard Brown say “she’s a whore”, not some idiot campaign kid, we would have a much bigger story.
And for God’s sake don’t call me The Left. My name is Joe.
October 9, 2010 at 2:38 pm
I’m not grasping at straws, I’m simply pointing out the double standard. Also, I wasn’t calling you the left. I was, again, pointing out the double standard from the left as a whole. The left (in general) twists and turns statements to try and somehow find something racial about them. Here, we have a guy calling a female a “whore”. It’s unusual for the left to be so concerned about “context”.
I know that’s not typically you, Joe. You’re pretty fair minded and from what I’ve read from you, non-hypocritical. From my POV, I don’t care about they guy calling her a “whore”. I care about the double standard when something comes from a lefty as opposed to a righty.
October 9, 2010 at 3:17 pm
Double standards are part of the game. If Whitman had been caught in a similar situation, Brown would have screamed bloody murder. And it still would have added up to not much.
October 9, 2010 at 5:15 pm
^ But what would have your reaction been, Joe?
October 9, 2010 at 5:36 pm
Similar situation: “He’s a gigolo”!
October 9, 2010 at 5:44 pm
LS makes a good (and amusing) point; it would be difficult to think of a direct equivalent. But in general my attitude is the same: getting pissy behind closed doors about your opponent is your own business. As Jim Norton on Red Eye would say..grow up, get over it.
October 9, 2010 at 5:55 pm
Actually – being that the word as it’s bandied around in political circles is neutral – it’s conceivable that Whitman’s crew could use it the same way Browns’s did, but all it would generate is amusement.
October 9, 2010 at 5:58 pm
Wow, the last thing I needed was a Droid phone with instant access to ICN at all times, eh? I realize I didn’t start the topic on this thread, but beating it to death on a Sat. night is ridiculous. Bye kids!
October 9, 2010 at 6:27 pm
I don’t really care what words people use in private, but it seems more likely that NOW would if an R said it. Having said that, when was the last time anyone cared what NOW thought?
October 9, 2010 at 6:36 pm
Oh right, I forgot about that part. I don’t care what NOW thinks either, but considering the non-political variation of that word that is sometimes applied to woman, I thought the timing of their endorsement was amazingly stupid.
October 9, 2010 at 6:41 pm
The National Organization of Amazingly Stupid Women. It’s a wonder they don’t have a larger membership.
October 9, 2010 at 8:09 pm
Finally pulled the trigger on the Droid? Congrats. My wife has one & loves it.
October 9, 2010 at 8:39 pm
Got the HTC EVO 4G through Sprint. It’s pretty swell, but it’s HUGE. It reminds me of the giant phones they used to have on Seinfeld, especially in my little tiny hands.
October 9, 2010 at 8:58 pm
Fox News Watch sucks. They presented the cyber-bullying suicide of a gay young man vs. a black girl who got shot, then asked why “the gay one” got more attention from the MSM. Fortunately, the entire panel had the sense to point out that the new phenomenon of young people’s lives being Facebooked – and sometimes destroyed – to the world was noteworthy.
October 9, 2010 at 10:35 pm
Hot-”Hit and Run”Sanchez mouth finally gets him fired.
Not-Parker/Spitzer nuff said.
October 9, 2010 at 11:25 pm
I’ll take Hit & Run over Park & Spitz any day. CNN needs to pull a Jay & Conan and accept that they made a mistake and fix it. Sanchez may be a blowhard that deserved to be knocked down a notch, but he doesn’t deserve to have his career flushed while THIS disaster drags the pioneering cable news network into irrelevancy.
October 10, 2010 at 8:22 am
Parker/Spitzer would make a good weekend show. They’d have more to talk about by pulling stories from the whole week.
October 10, 2010 at 12:16 pm
HOT: Parker/Spitzer debut. The show started off badly and didn’t get much better as the week progressed. It’s not over yet but if it continues as it started the deathwatch will commence.
HOT: MSNBC announces new ‘Lean Forward’ promotional campaign. The first ads are interesting but we will have to wait a few more weeks to see how the talent ads look to see if this is going to make a difference in branding and eventually ratings.
HOT: Weather Channel starts giving opinions. Spud thinks this is a big deal; but most commenters seem to feel the network is just doing what it has to to stay relevant.
HOT: MSNBC.com to change its name to something else. Most seem to think this is a bad idea as the name is very well known so why change. Personally I don’t think there will be any longstanding consequences.
HOT: Eric Bolling changes the name of his show. As one commenter put it “If a tree falls etc.” Agreed.
HOT: ‘The Last Word’ stays hot. Lawrence O’Donnell continues to have the best bookers in cable news. Michael Steele & Lou Dobbs were the water-cooler stories of this weeks shows.
HOT: LOD apologies to Michael Steele. In what now becomes the gold standard for cable news apologies O’Donnell said he was sorry for using the word ‘masters’ when referring to Steele’s bosses. Heartfelt does not do it justice.
HOT: The Lou Dobbs debate. Once again LOD played what could have been a messy debate perfectly by staying out of it for the most part.
HOT: Jansing & Co. debuts. Jansing showed what a great Dayside host looks like but her show may need a bit of tweaking. Richard Lui plays the role second banana as well as could be expected.
HOT: ‘Freedom Watch’ to go primetime on FNB. If, as people say, the judge is a rising libertarian star then he may be a ratings threat to whatever FNC primetime show he goes up against. CNN & MSNBC viewers aren’t likely to watch.
HOT: Rumor that Katie Couric is going to CNN. To replace who? Not going to happen.
HOT: Rumor that Capus will replace Hoffman at CNBC. Yet another rumor that doesn’t make much sense logically.
HOT: Rick Sanchez apologizes. First step on comeback trail but still a long long way to go.
NOT HOT: Glenn Beck to go on sick leave. It will be interesting to see who guest hosts.
NOT HOT: Coverage of Duke s*x list story. ‘nough’ said.
October 10, 2010 at 7:04 pm
NOT: Amy Fisher pimping a sex-tape on Fox News. A low-point, even for Geraldo.