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Is anyone else as irritated with JS as I am these days? If only the Republicans would have listened to HIM they would have gained control of the Senate. If only the President and his staff had listened to HIM they wouldn’t have lost the House. My goodness – he is all knowing – maybe he should be called “The One!”.
And, how many more times do we have to hear about “when I was elected in 1994…” ENOUGH ALREADY, JOE!!!
Pam, I think Joe is getting high off his own ink. He said the other day “We’re not patting ourselves on the back, but we’re the most influential morning news show.
1. That IS patting yourself on the back.
2. They may attract big names, but they influence nothing.
3. They will struggle to attract the new GOP leaders if they don’t get their evening people to tone it down.
I realize regaining power is the ultimate goal of the party out of it, but to announce it as a higher priority than the public service you were elected to is rude. I’ll give Mitch credit for dropping the facade and telling “the American people” the obscene truth. I’ll also give him credit for being a huge tool.
If McConnell believes, as many Republicans do, that America is diminished as long as Obama wields the power of the presidency, than removing him from that office is a perfectly legimately objective.
Dude, the other party always believes things will be better if The Bad Guy is defeated, but it’s not proper decorum to announce it as “Job 1″. I don’t like this new version of politics that drops all pretense of respect for the office. I didn’t like the Tea Partiers (non)concession speeches Tues. night, either. You’re supposed to congratulate the winner, not threaten him with a bat.
Y’all might want to give Scarborough a break for “when I was elected in ’94″ for awhile. It gets on my nerves, too, but Tuesday’s results give him a pretty good excuse to bring it up. The last time this happened, he really was there.
Regardless of icn2′s objections, I feel that Jansing &Co is, by far, the best disciplined and professional program on MSNBC. I give Chris’s outstanding skills, of control and interviewing, the lions share of credit for this.
Yeah Fred, I’m liking it more and more every day. I don’t know if it improved, or I got adapted to the pace. The conversational style seemed tedious at first, but now I find it relaxing.
joe Relaxing and absorbing. Chris is so good that one tends to trust her judgement and have confidence in her insight. This is a very rare charactoristic is any human, let alone a journalist.
If the Obama Administration has half a brain, they will use McConnell’s words against him from now until election day – be the grown-ups, say that Obama wants to work with the GOP to get the economy going again and that intransigence by either party will be a detriment to the people, not just one individual.
McConnell must be feeling the heat from the incoming Tea Party Senate winners already.
Scarborough was right about the stimulus and a lot of things – the Obama Administration would have been wise to listen to his advise. That said, he is coming off as a know-it-all these days.
And I wish he would stop going out of his way to announce that he is a centrist. He doesn’t have to tell the audience that he gets “attacked from the left….and attacked from the right” every day.
What really points out how good Jansings show has is when you put her show up against a show with a similar format like Dylan Ratigan’s show. The host is the only difference and if Dylan; with his obvious knowledge, ran his show like Chris it would get raves as well.
“WAIT..’til you HEAR..what the Democrats are planning..NOW.” Ugh, why do I do this to myself? No more of Megyn’s sparkling personality for today, over to Andrea Mitchell. Oh look..Major Garrett..
fritz, But. of course! If Dylan had discipline, there would be huge possibilities. He hits spot on sometimes, but, he has great difficulty keeping an even keel with any consistancy. I take this as coming from comparative experience, temperment and the strength of discipline in the two.l
Joe:
By “new” version of politics, I hope you’re not just referring to the last two years cuz the eight before those were worse.
I’m specifically talking about this latest round, with those two specific examples. Announcing that your first priority is regaining power legitimizes the permant campaign. Responding to an election loss like you won, and threatening the winner, is ridiculous.
Fallout from Amanpour continues. Face the Nation appears to have eclipsed This Week as No. 2 Sunday show in total viewers AND demo. Smooth move ABC, perhaps you should have listened to your staff and your viewers.
jwe3: don’t know what fallout you are talking about re: This Week w/ Amanpour but I agree – thought Jake Tapper did a great job. Get rid of her – no loss at all.
As far as what McConnell said what is everyone so worked up about – so big deal – it’s a goal to have Obama serve only one term. Obama’s goal is to get back both houses and he’d squash who ever he could to make that happen. That surprises anyone? We all know that is the truth for either party – just because it was verbalized “how rude” happens. I say big deal – psychologists say if you verbalize your goals the more likely they are to come true.
Joe, so basically you hate politics & political theater?
jwe: Yeah, I watched every week when Tapper was the interim host. I’ve watched maybe twice since then. Not only is Amanpour way to the left of Tapper, she’s just unwatchable. Her voice, her look, her everything is just awful.
ABC News people were pretty much shocked at the choice of Amanpour, who had no experience at the network or in being an accomplished anchor. There have also been stories about her salary bothering a news division that has been sliced and diced over budget restraints.
Someone needs to remind Senator McConnell (the minority leader) and also soon to be Speaker Boehner that the Democrats still control the Senate and White House.
Cool, my Space Shuttle tweet is at the top of Brooke Baldwin’s Twitter page. She usually doesn’t tweet again this late, so I get to be nearly famous for a few hours. I couldn’t be more proud.
I’m a pathetic fanboy..and I can’t believe I say “tweet”..
^ It was a brilliant 20 minute segment that explored the ability of Fox News, the right-wing blogosphere, and conservative politicians to create a “fact” out of thin air, then propagate it within their universe for a clientele that gets all their information from that universe. This is the “fake news” I’ve been talking about.
-needs to remind McConnell and Boehner that the Democrats still control the Senate and White House-
Both men said as much themselves, today. This is post-election positioning and it happens every two years regardless of which party wins. These two realise they hold the upper hand because 21 Democratic senators (plus the 2 Ind) will be up for re-election in two short years, and President Obama has zero experience negotiating from an executive position without an almost super-majority.
Oh, & Joe, I haven’t seen the story on FNC. I don’t watch it 24/7 but I watched Beck & O’Reilly today and didn’t see it. Beck said he didn’t know what the figures were but he didn’t think it was a good idea to stay at the hotel he’s staying at for security reasons. O’Reilly didn’t mention it at all. As you know, I don’t watch Hannity so maybe it was mentioned there?
But it doesn’t matter that Beck repeated it on his radio show, too. You guys are going to find an example where my side does it, too – like that makes it better – and you won’t watch the segment, which covered more than just the India myth. I know how this works. It’s depressing.
I wonder if Hannity & and the other FNC hosts that spread that lie will come out with a clarification of the ‘India’ rumor on his show that says it wasn’t true?
If Maddow had said something so obviously false that would be the minimum demanded by FNC & the right wing blogs.
It was used as an example of how Fox News and blah blah boogeymen create news out of thin air. To that, the response was that It’s hardly a unique occurrence. Anyone who reported it should retract it loudly. Duh.
Anyone who reported it should retract it loudly.</I.
There's not a chance in hell that Hannity or Beck will do that. They'll just drop it, leaving their viewers/listeners with the "truth" they're happy with. That's how this thing works. "It doesn't really matter what we say about him; the bottom line is he's bad for America gotta go the end." The right-wing closed circuit is a place where people repeat stuff they like saying to people who like hearing it. Actual facts about things/people they oppose are not a priority. It's not considered necessary.
Ah. The story about Us Navy ships falsely reported by Indian press. I heard Juan Williams giving Hannity some well-deserved sh!t about the cost of the president’s trip – whatever the arrangements, it’d cost the same for any president’s trip.
Besides that, I haven’t heard anything about the story on Fox.
And if they correct it, that’ll be written-off as butt-covering.
I brought this up, so I’m assuming that was directed at me, and it’s totally unfair. I’ve never blown off a sincere correction or appology for anything, and I’ve criticized lefties for “correction, but it’s still basically true” BS.
The scary thing about the story is that, like the author of the Hot Air story, the numbers sort of glaze like pottery. If I heard it, it probably didn’t even register. The war-ships seemed a bit much, though…
I don’t know why anyone would bite on that story… it sounded far too fishy to be real.
My mother heard it from somewhere (not sure where), and asked me about it the other day. Even on the phone I said, “No, that doesn’t make a lot of sense.”
And while nothing surprises me anymore… this was far too much to believe without a lot of proof.
But Blue, according to Rachel, we’re all too stupid to believe anything else. We live in our own happy little world, much like she and her table-mates on election night. Oops..
There’s a difference between opinions and value judgments – “we went to war because they wanted to; they’re all racists” – and made up stories (truthers is a bunch of weirdos, not a left-wing cable news/left-wing blog thing). The left gets bound up in an echo chamber of passing those far-reaching judgments back and forth, which – especially in the “racism” case – gets out of hand. The right has perfected complete fabrications and “I hadn’t heard that, but I would certainly believe it”. I refuse to accept that both sides do it equally. The right simply lies more. Period.
Dammit, I said you guys would do this, and I got sucked in, anyway. You’re not even denying Rachel’s evidence..you’re just saying both sides do it. Hannity and Beck say Obama is spending $200,000,000 of your money a day on a trip with 34 warships; King tells a constituent he “wouldn’t be surprised” if the President was “sneaking Muslims in”; Angle says Dearborn is under Sharia law because she “read about it”; and all you’ve got is “what about you guys?”. What about doctored ACORN videos; what about people on Fox being asked if they believe the President is not a Muslim, as if that’s a legitimate question; what about “death camps”; what about the government using the census to round up undesirables?
This crap gets “speculated about” constantly on the Right. Why? Because it’s for the overall good. The Dems are bad, and if we have to make up some stuff to get ‘em out, well, it’s God’s work. Goodnight.
As I said, I didn’t see anything about it on FNC. But, if someone there reported based on a newspaper report from the guardian or somewhere else, well that stuff happens. It’s not just the news channels. The WH fabricated a story about the Chamber of Commerce which was then picked up by everybody. Where’s your outrage over that. Oh, and little miss giggles said some Republican had advance warning about the OKC bombing. The left finds one thing and they run with it. For your one, I could give you 10 spread out across the MSM.
The COC gets donations from foreign companies, and is allowed to spend endless amounts of money fighting Democratic policies without reporting how the funding works. That’s a complaint about the system the Supreme Court allowed, not a lie.
Rachel screwed up and corrected. I didn’t support the screwup in the first place.
No more “what about you?” games for me tonight. Y’all can have ten “last words” if you want. Knock yourselves out.
When you accuse one side of ‘lying’ more than the other, you’re gonna get ‘what about you?’ games. Comes with the territory. How about Bush being accused of ‘creating’ terrorist-threats whenever an election came around? Or pretty much any time something terror-ish was in the news. How about him being accused of manipulating oil prices? Most of what the Left said about him for eight years was BS, so I’ll look for my moral superiority elsewhere, if you don’t mind.
How about Bush being accused of ‘creating’ terrorist-threats
That’s not a made-up story, it’s an accusation. A reasonable one, considering the fortunate (for him) timing of those warnings. Bush was accused of playing a lot of games with the public to get outcomes he desired. Those accusations were warranted.
Now we have a new contrived Palin controversy that was pretty obviously a innocent mistake. But, it was picked up by the Washington Post, Mediaite, New York Magazine, ABC News & a host of other left-wing media sites.
Joe, in your world, every accusation against Bush was warranted. But, it doesn’t matter because, like many on the left, you simply hate the guy.
Some other inconvenient facts: The sum of the deficits from 2003 thru 2008 was 4.7 trillion. Without the Iraq war it would have been 4.0 trillion. Iraq war spending was less than 25% of what was spent on Medicare over that same time period. The Feds spent more on education than the war over that same time period. There is more but I think you get the point. The lefty talking point that the war “drove this nation into debt” is simply untrue. But, you apparently heard it somewhere. NBC? lefty blogs? lefty talk radio?
And it has been suggested to me that military expenditures are an ongoing-thing, but become ‘war expenses’ when we’re, you know, at war. So it’s not as though a significant portion of that money wouldn’t have been spent anyway. It’s a matter of accounting, and which set of books is being used. This all assumes that I’m not totally full-of-it, which is an ever-present threat.
The ‘cost’ of a war is far away and separate from the monetary outlay. Seems like that would be a better argument.
The ‘cost’ of a war is far away and separate from the monetary outlay. Seems like that would be a better argument.
I didn’t feel like pointing that out again tonight. If you think a war was entered into needlessly, by definition you think people died needlessly, too. Young people. That might have something to do with “hate” and “prison”. But it’s late, and – as you say – this is tiresome. Nite.
No wonder Ainsley Earhardt doesn’t participate in any segments that contain actual substance: she’s too busy making sure she flashes enough skin to keep the shut-in creeps happy, but not enough to actually show anything. That’s hard work, y’all!
And we have changed the channel for the rest of the day. Maybe we’ll watch Bret Baier this evening.
November 4, 2010 at 8:01 am
Is anyone else as irritated with JS as I am these days? If only the Republicans would have listened to HIM they would have gained control of the Senate. If only the President and his staff had listened to HIM they wouldn’t have lost the House. My goodness – he is all knowing – maybe he should be called “The One!”.
And, how many more times do we have to hear about “when I was elected in 1994…” ENOUGH ALREADY, JOE!!!
November 4, 2010 at 8:03 am
Does Steve Kroft know some amazingly sleazy secrety about Barack Obama?
I can never remember one President routinely picking the same reporter time after time after time for key interviews.
November 4, 2010 at 8:06 am
Pam, I think Joe is getting high off his own ink. He said the other day “We’re not patting ourselves on the back, but we’re the most influential morning news show.
1. That IS patting yourself on the back.
2. They may attract big names, but they influence nothing.
3. They will struggle to attract the new GOP leaders if they don’t get their evening people to tone it down.
November 4, 2010 at 8:15 am
I realize regaining power is the ultimate goal of the party out of it, but to announce it as a higher priority than the public service you were elected to is rude. I’ll give Mitch credit for dropping the facade and telling “the American people” the obscene truth. I’ll also give him credit for being a huge tool.
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/11/04/5407324-first-thoughts-mcconnell-doubles-down
November 4, 2010 at 8:18 am
If McConnell believes, as many Republicans do, that America is diminished as long as Obama wields the power of the presidency, than removing him from that office is a perfectly legimately objective.
This argument a total loser for the Democrats.
November 4, 2010 at 8:24 am
Dude, the other party always believes things will be better if The Bad Guy is defeated, but it’s not proper decorum to announce it as “Job 1″. I don’t like this new version of politics that drops all pretense of respect for the office. I didn’t like the Tea Partiers (non)concession speeches Tues. night, either. You’re supposed to congratulate the winner, not threaten him with a bat.
November 4, 2010 at 8:31 am
Y’all might want to give Scarborough a break for “when I was elected in ’94″ for awhile. It gets on my nerves, too, but Tuesday’s results give him a pretty good excuse to bring it up. The last time this happened, he really was there.
November 4, 2010 at 8:37 am
All McConnell is pointing out is that the Republicans don’t get it either.
November 4, 2010 at 8:45 am
Chris Jansing is talking about the concession-not-really-a-concession now.
November 4, 2010 at 9:06 am
Regardless of icn2′s objections, I feel that Jansing &Co is, by far, the best disciplined and professional program on MSNBC. I give Chris’s outstanding skills, of control and interviewing, the lions share of credit for this.
November 4, 2010 at 9:22 am
Yeah Fred, I’m liking it more and more every day. I don’t know if it improved, or I got adapted to the pace. The conversational style seemed tedious at first, but now I find it relaxing.
November 4, 2010 at 9:29 am
joe Relaxing and absorbing. Chris is so good that one tends to trust her judgement and have confidence in her insight. This is a very rare charactoristic is any human, let alone a journalist.
November 4, 2010 at 9:37 am
If the Obama Administration has half a brain, they will use McConnell’s words against him from now until election day – be the grown-ups, say that Obama wants to work with the GOP to get the economy going again and that intransigence by either party will be a detriment to the people, not just one individual.
McConnell must be feeling the heat from the incoming Tea Party Senate winners already.
November 4, 2010 at 9:39 am
Scarborough was right about the stimulus and a lot of things – the Obama Administration would have been wise to listen to his advise. That said, he is coming off as a know-it-all these days.
And I wish he would stop going out of his way to announce that he is a centrist. He doesn’t have to tell the audience that he gets “attacked from the left….and attacked from the right” every day.
November 4, 2010 at 9:53 am
What really points out how good Jansings show has is when you put her show up against a show with a similar format like Dylan Ratigan’s show. The host is the only difference and if Dylan; with his obvious knowledge, ran his show like Chris it would get raves as well.
November 4, 2010 at 10:12 am
“WAIT..’til you HEAR..what the Democrats are planning..NOW.” Ugh, why do I do this to myself? No more of Megyn’s sparkling personality for today, over to Andrea Mitchell. Oh look..Major Garrett..
November 4, 2010 at 11:16 am
Joe:
By “new” version of politics, I hope you’re not just referring to the last two years cuz the eight before those were worse.
November 4, 2010 at 11:18 am
fritz, But. of course! If Dylan had discipline, there would be huge possibilities. He hits spot on sometimes, but, he has great difficulty keeping an even keel with any consistancy. I take this as coming from comparative experience, temperment and the strength of discipline in the two.l
November 4, 2010 at 12:10 pm
Not familiar with this writer for the Philadelphia Daily News, but I expect him to appear on Olbermann’s enemies list after this one.
http://tinyurl.com/28uphgj
November 4, 2010 at 12:10 pm
Joe:
By “new” version of politics, I hope you’re not just referring to the last two years cuz the eight before those were worse.
I’m specifically talking about this latest round, with those two specific examples. Announcing that your first priority is regaining power legitimizes the permant campaign. Responding to an election loss like you won, and threatening the winner, is ridiculous.
November 4, 2010 at 12:34 pm
Fallout from Amanpour continues. Face the Nation appears to have eclipsed This Week as No. 2 Sunday show in total viewers AND demo. Smooth move ABC, perhaps you should have listened to your staff and your viewers.
Not to late to give the show back to Tapper
November 4, 2010 at 12:51 pm
What happened to Shep interviewing Palin? Was that supposed to be election day?
November 4, 2010 at 12:58 pm
jwe3: don’t know what fallout you are talking about re: This Week w/ Amanpour but I agree – thought Jake Tapper did a great job. Get rid of her – no loss at all.
As far as what McConnell said what is everyone so worked up about – so big deal – it’s a goal to have Obama serve only one term. Obama’s goal is to get back both houses and he’d squash who ever he could to make that happen. That surprises anyone? We all know that is the truth for either party – just because it was verbalized “how rude” happens. I say big deal – psychologists say if you verbalize your goals the more likely they are to come true.
November 4, 2010 at 1:03 pm
Joe, so basically you hate politics & political theater?
jwe: Yeah, I watched every week when Tapper was the interim host. I’ve watched maybe twice since then. Not only is Amanpour way to the left of Tapper, she’s just unwatchable. Her voice, her look, her everything is just awful.
November 4, 2010 at 1:14 pm
Pam, here’s a link to the latest:
http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/staff_icy_to_cold_christiane_Th9W41mlAbestpBOzNtuWI
ABC News people were pretty much shocked at the choice of Amanpour, who had no experience at the network or in being an accomplished anchor. There have also been stories about her salary bothering a news division that has been sliced and diced over budget restraints.
Plus, she sucks. I mean she really sucks.
November 4, 2010 at 1:36 pm
I love politics and political theater. I love it more when it’s presented honestly.
November 4, 2010 at 1:52 pm
This Week has sucked since David Brinkley retired. Jake Tapper has way too much attitude for it.
November 4, 2010 at 3:28 pm
-Shep interviewing Palin-
Yes, Shep interviewed Palin during his election coverage on the broadcast network.
November 4, 2010 at 3:32 pm
– Shep Palin –
Ah. Details.
November 4, 2010 at 3:45 pm
Someone needs to remind Senator McConnell (the minority leader) and also soon to be Speaker Boehner that the Democrats still control the Senate and White House.
The arrogance of these guys is amazing.
November 4, 2010 at 3:48 pm
– Shep Palin –
Really? Did he fall victim to her dazzling dazzlement, too? That’s gonna break my heart.
November 4, 2010 at 3:49 pm
The arrogance of these guys is amazing.
Geniuses, they are not.
November 4, 2010 at 4:08 pm
Joeremi: I love politics and political theater. I love it more when it’s presented honestly.
Sorry LS, I just realized this answer doesn’t make sense. I got confused about topics. I’m easily confused..
November 4, 2010 at 4:17 pm
Cool, my Space Shuttle tweet is at the top of Brooke Baldwin’s Twitter page. She usually doesn’t tweet again this late, so I get to be nearly famous for a few hours. I couldn’t be more proud.
I’m a pathetic fanboy..and I can’t believe I say “tweet”..
@BrookeBCNN
November 4, 2010 at 5:07 pm
People often fall for my dazzling dazzlement too. Sarah & I are so much alike.
November 4, 2010 at 5:11 pm
LS…no..I can’t..
November 4, 2010 at 5:42 pm
Can any financial gurus explain what the Fed and Bernanke saw that led to the decision to pump $600 billion into the economy?
Seems that it’ll weaken our dollar more than it will lower interest rates. Will that lead to great consumption here? Or what?
November 4, 2010 at 5:42 pm
Can any financial gurus explain what the Fed and Bernanke saw that led to the decision to pump $600 billion into the economy?
Seems that it’ll weaken our dollar more than it will lower interest rates. Will that lead to greater consumption here? Or what?
November 4, 2010 at 6:08 pm
Rachel Maddow is destroying the “Obama trip to India” myth. Check it out on the re-air at midnight.
November 4, 2010 at 6:26 pm
^ It was a brilliant 20 minute segment that explored the ability of Fox News, the right-wing blogosphere, and conservative politicians to create a “fact” out of thin air, then propagate it within their universe for a clientele that gets all their information from that universe. This is the “fake news” I’ve been talking about.
November 4, 2010 at 6:34 pm
^yeah, cuz rumors never circulate elsewhere.
November 4, 2010 at 6:37 pm
-needs to remind McConnell and Boehner that the Democrats still control the Senate and White House-
Both men said as much themselves, today. This is post-election positioning and it happens every two years regardless of which party wins. These two realise they hold the upper hand because 21 Democratic senators (plus the 2 Ind) will be up for re-election in two short years, and President Obama has zero experience negotiating from an executive position without an almost super-majority.
November 4, 2010 at 6:43 pm
Yeah, LS. It’s only the evil Newscorp minions that do that.
http://hotair.com/archives/2010/11/04/no-obamas-not-taking-34-navy-ships-to-india-with-him/
November 4, 2010 at 6:45 pm
Oh, & Joe, I haven’t seen the story on FNC. I don’t watch it 24/7 but I watched Beck & O’Reilly today and didn’t see it. Beck said he didn’t know what the figures were but he didn’t think it was a good idea to stay at the hotel he’s staying at for security reasons. O’Reilly didn’t mention it at all. As you know, I don’t watch Hannity so maybe it was mentioned there?
November 4, 2010 at 6:46 pm
Laura, if I lived in liberal land (NY, Cali) I’d have dressed up as Fox News for halloween and scared the bejesus out of all the lefties…Boo!
November 4, 2010 at 6:57 pm
^ O’Reilly said he’d dress-up as Beck, but he’d have to gain 40 pounds in a week. It was funny, but not nice.
November 4, 2010 at 7:05 pm
Yes, Rachel played a clip of Hannity saying it. That tool is the king of “just says stuff”.
November 4, 2010 at 7:15 pm
But it doesn’t matter that Beck repeated it on his radio show, too. You guys are going to find an example where my side does it, too – like that makes it better – and you won’t watch the segment, which covered more than just the India myth. I know how this works. It’s depressing.
November 4, 2010 at 7:23 pm
I wonder if Hannity & and the other FNC hosts that spread that lie will come out with a clarification of the ‘India’ rumor on his show that says it wasn’t true?
If Maddow had said something so obviously false that would be the minimum demanded by FNC & the right wing blogs.
I’m not holding my breath.
November 4, 2010 at 7:38 pm
It was used as an example of how Fox News and blah blah boogeymen create news out of thin air. To that, the response was that It’s hardly a unique occurrence. Anyone who reported it should retract it loudly. Duh.
November 4, 2010 at 7:39 pm
What is this India trip myth? I’ve been listening to FNC most of the day at work and haven’t heard anything about it.
November 4, 2010 at 7:51 pm
Anyone who reported it should retract it loudly.</I.
There's not a chance in hell that Hannity or Beck will do that. They'll just drop it, leaving their viewers/listeners with the "truth" they're happy with. That's how this thing works. "It doesn't really matter what we say about him; the bottom line is he's bad for America gotta go the end." The right-wing closed circuit is a place where people repeat stuff they like saying to people who like hearing it. Actual facts about things/people they oppose are not a priority. It's not considered necessary.
November 4, 2010 at 7:52 pm
M*****F***** HTML. This isn’t going to end well. Nite kids.
November 4, 2010 at 7:55 pm
And if they correct it, that’ll be written-off as butt-covering. I know how that works.
November 4, 2010 at 8:00 pm
“And if they correct it,”
We won’t have to worry about that Laura, not on FNC.
November 4, 2010 at 8:03 pm
And we won’t have to worry about you troubling yourself with actual knowledge of that.
November 4, 2010 at 8:07 pm
Ah. The story about Us Navy ships falsely reported by Indian press. I heard Juan Williams giving Hannity some well-deserved sh!t about the cost of the president’s trip – whatever the arrangements, it’d cost the same for any president’s trip.
Besides that, I haven’t heard anything about the story on Fox.
November 4, 2010 at 8:08 pm
And if they correct it, that’ll be written-off as butt-covering.
I brought this up, so I’m assuming that was directed at me, and it’s totally unfair. I’ve never blown off a sincere correction or appology for anything, and I’ve criticized lefties for “correction, but it’s still basically true” BS.
November 4, 2010 at 8:11 pm
The scary thing about the story is that, like the author of the Hot Air story, the numbers sort of glaze like pottery. If I heard it, it probably didn’t even register. The war-ships seemed a bit much, though…
November 4, 2010 at 8:23 pm
”Tiny quantities of Muslims”. Damn, that’s funny. ”You want a grow-light with that?”
November 4, 2010 at 8:40 pm
I don’t know why anyone would bite on that story… it sounded far too fishy to be real.
My mother heard it from somewhere (not sure where), and asked me about it the other day. Even on the phone I said, “No, that doesn’t make a lot of sense.”
And while nothing surprises me anymore… this was far too much to believe without a lot of proof.
November 4, 2010 at 8:44 pm
But Blue, according to Rachel, we’re all too stupid to believe anything else. We live in our own happy little world, much like she and her table-mates on election night. Oops..
November 4, 2010 at 8:52 pm
The difference is the left hasn’t developed the propensity for “makin’ stuff up” and passing it around to each other that the right has. Yet.
November 4, 2010 at 9:00 pm
No good response to that. None whatsoever. BS will stand on it’s own.
November 4, 2010 at 9:01 pm
^ Truthers, Election Stealers, Cheney Puppeteers, Halliburton-ets, War for Oil, and so on… all those suggest differently, Joe.
November 4, 2010 at 9:09 pm
There’s a difference between opinions and value judgments – “we went to war because they wanted to; they’re all racists” – and made up stories (truthers is a bunch of weirdos, not a left-wing cable news/left-wing blog thing). The left gets bound up in an echo chamber of passing those far-reaching judgments back and forth, which – especially in the “racism” case – gets out of hand. The right has perfected complete fabrications and “I hadn’t heard that, but I would certainly believe it”. I refuse to accept that both sides do it equally. The right simply lies more. Period.
November 4, 2010 at 9:16 pm
The difference between the Left and Right is that when the Right does it, someone’s actually listening.
Guess it’s too late for some to learn the difference between ‘lie’ and ‘disagree’.
November 4, 2010 at 9:24 pm
Republicans owe their victory on Tuesday to the Chamber of Commerce, dontcha know.
Republicans outspent Dems, too.
Rand Paul is going to single handedly end the world.
Impeachment proceedings are about to begin.
Bush admitted to war-crimes and should spend at least 10 years in jail.
I could go on and on and on and on
November 4, 2010 at 9:25 pm
Dammit, I said you guys would do this, and I got sucked in, anyway. You’re not even denying Rachel’s evidence..you’re just saying both sides do it. Hannity and Beck say Obama is spending $200,000,000 of your money a day on a trip with 34 warships; King tells a constituent he “wouldn’t be surprised” if the President was “sneaking Muslims in”; Angle says Dearborn is under Sharia law because she “read about it”; and all you’ve got is “what about you guys?”. What about doctored ACORN videos; what about people on Fox being asked if they believe the President is not a Muslim, as if that’s a legitimate question; what about “death camps”; what about the government using the census to round up undesirables?
This crap gets “speculated about” constantly on the Right. Why? Because it’s for the overall good. The Dems are bad, and if we have to make up some stuff to get ‘em out, well, it’s God’s work. Goodnight.
November 4, 2010 at 9:29 pm
There’s no difference between opinions and value judgements that are promulgated through lies.
November 4, 2010 at 9:54 pm
As I said, I didn’t see anything about it on FNC. But, if someone there reported based on a newspaper report from the guardian or somewhere else, well that stuff happens. It’s not just the news channels. The WH fabricated a story about the Chamber of Commerce which was then picked up by everybody. Where’s your outrage over that. Oh, and little miss giggles said some Republican had advance warning about the OKC bombing. The left finds one thing and they run with it. For your one, I could give you 10 spread out across the MSM.
November 4, 2010 at 10:05 pm
The COC gets donations from foreign companies, and is allowed to spend endless amounts of money fighting Democratic policies without reporting how the funding works. That’s a complaint about the system the Supreme Court allowed, not a lie.
Rachel screwed up and corrected. I didn’t support the screwup in the first place.
No more “what about you?” games for me tonight. Y’all can have ten “last words” if you want. Knock yourselves out.
November 4, 2010 at 11:18 pm
When you accuse one side of ‘lying’ more than the other, you’re gonna get ‘what about you?’ games. Comes with the territory. How about Bush being accused of ‘creating’ terrorist-threats whenever an election came around? Or pretty much any time something terror-ish was in the news. How about him being accused of manipulating oil prices? Most of what the Left said about him for eight years was BS, so I’ll look for my moral superiority elsewhere, if you don’t mind.
November 4, 2010 at 11:21 pm
How about Bush being accused of ‘creating’ terrorist-threats
That’s not a made-up story, it’s an accusation. A reasonable one, considering the fortunate (for him) timing of those warnings. Bush was accused of playing a lot of games with the public to get outcomes he desired. Those accusations were warranted.
November 4, 2010 at 11:22 pm
It all comes down to ”It’s ok when we do it, but it’s an outrageous lie when they do it”. Period.
November 4, 2010 at 11:31 pm
Now we have a new contrived Palin controversy that was pretty obviously a innocent mistake. But, it was picked up by the Washington Post, Mediaite, New York Magazine, ABC News & a host of other left-wing media sites.
Joe, in your world, every accusation against Bush was warranted. But, it doesn’t matter because, like many on the left, you simply hate the guy.
November 4, 2010 at 11:34 pm
you simply hate the guy.
Big time. He drove this nation into debt by financing two wars – one for no good reason – while cutting taxes. He should be in prison.
November 4, 2010 at 11:39 pm
^Insanity.
November 4, 2010 at 11:40 pm
Damn, this is tiresome. Time to finish grading.
November 4, 2010 at 11:42 pm
FWIW, the total cost of the Iraq war was less than the heaping pile of stimulus.
November 4, 2010 at 11:47 pm
And you know, the words ‘heaping pile’ just can’t be used often enough these days.
November 4, 2010 at 11:50 pm
Some other inconvenient facts: The sum of the deficits from 2003 thru 2008 was 4.7 trillion. Without the Iraq war it would have been 4.0 trillion. Iraq war spending was less than 25% of what was spent on Medicare over that same time period. The Feds spent more on education than the war over that same time period. There is more but I think you get the point. The lefty talking point that the war “drove this nation into debt” is simply untrue. But, you apparently heard it somewhere. NBC? lefty blogs? lefty talk radio?
November 4, 2010 at 11:51 pm
Or, maybe from ms. giggles herself?
November 5, 2010 at 12:00 am
And it has been suggested to me that military expenditures are an ongoing-thing, but become ‘war expenses’ when we’re, you know, at war. So it’s not as though a significant portion of that money wouldn’t have been spent anyway. It’s a matter of accounting, and which set of books is being used. This all assumes that I’m not totally full-of-it, which is an ever-present threat.
The ‘cost’ of a war is far away and separate from the monetary outlay. Seems like that would be a better argument.
November 5, 2010 at 12:09 am
The ‘cost’ of a war is far away and separate from the monetary outlay. Seems like that would be a better argument.
I didn’t feel like pointing that out again tonight. If you think a war was entered into needlessly, by definition you think people died needlessly, too. Young people. That might have something to do with “hate” and “prison”. But it’s late, and – as you say – this is tiresome. Nite.
November 5, 2010 at 4:39 am
No wonder Ainsley Earhardt doesn’t participate in any segments that contain actual substance: she’s too busy making sure she flashes enough skin to keep the shut-in creeps happy, but not enough to actually show anything. That’s hard work, y’all!
And we have changed the channel for the rest of the day. Maybe we’ll watch Bret Baier this evening.
November 5, 2010 at 6:42 am
Ainsley was showing some skin? I wish I had gotten up earlier.