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MJ had a segment on Jane Levy’s new book on Micky Mantle. Brought back very vivid memories of my accidential meeting with him many years ago in the restroom at a tavern. He had been drinking heavily and had started weeping (going back to yesterday’s free for all comments) and just “had” to talk with me. Mantle was in great pain from all of his player wounds and felt that he drank to “block the pain”. Anyway, we talked for about a half an hour and he ended his conversation by reminding me to never get drunk (I had only one scotch in me).
As a result of this experience, I have not had any scotch since.
Changing topics (dramatically) did anyone else see that Chris Jansing had a ring on her “ring finger”? It would make me seriously happy if this wonderful woman had found that person that was hers and hers alone.
^ I should make this worse and tell you that the lounge in St Andrews was overlooking the eighteenth green. The selection of drinks were provided by two Scottish gentlemen for myself and my British boss. I enjoyed the drinks far better than I did the course’s sandtraps the next day.
By the way, my experience led me to the conclusion that the Scots are some of the nicest people in the world. Environment is ruff but the people are VERY warm.
ls, Both, though, I believe that they will address Americans with “Scotch”.
St Andrews is a ton easier than playing in the American SE. Very few trees and open fairways. Ruff is terrible, wind is obnoxious and the sandtraps, like I said, are a death sentence.
ls, Have you played in Idaho at the bottom of the Snake River Canyon? To me, that was one of the finest rounds ever. Do in in August or September when the apples are ready (why then is, I assume, the micro climate).
Don’t know your preferences, though, I dislike playing in Florida or any place in the SE except one of the vast array of courses in Atlanta. Have to fight the trees, but, being an Okie, I got used to trees and wind.
I should also confess that I was reasonable in my youth, but, my Army injuries made one arm longer than the other and I never got back my swing. In otherwords, I haven’t been scratch since 1970.
For the sake of starting an argument in a perfectly peaceful thread, I would like to thank Fred for acknowledging that the right side is the good side.
I realize the right wing has a simplistic and not proven “rich people always create jobs with lower taxes” mantra that justifies griping about any hint of increases for them, but shouldn’t Hannity make some effort to make it at least sound like a real thought? He blurts out “rich create the jobs” every damn night without a shred of explanation. He just says it. Sean..you’re rich. Your friends are rich. You look like a self-centered ass.
Raise my taxes or don’t raise them. Either way, I’ll maintain about the same net income that I’m comfortable with, adjusted up or down as need be through my life’s changes, and I’ll do it by adjusting my gross. You won’t believe this, but when I received a considerable tax cut ten years ago I actually lowered my own gross income. If I just went out and spent the money I made on myself then I would be living paycheck-to-paycheck like everyone else… and I don’t ever want to live that way again. So I reinvest those extra profits in my businesses… and that means jobs. The “rich” are those people who have figured out that, beyond sustaining a reasonable living, the only thing money is good for is to make more money with. While others in their 20s bought cars, big-screen tellys, and other toys they couldn’t afford, I bought houses to fix-up and rent out, then commercial buildings to rent out, and, eventually, businesses that hire people to make things for profit. I lived on the money I made working shifts at area ERs.
Bill Gates is the ultimate example of this as his new career is now giving away all that wealth he (and others) accumulated over the years for good… and is doing so far more effectively than any government could ever do.
Of course there’s those classic examples of some sports, movie, and rock stars who somehow manage to spend millions every year, including tens of thousands getting their nails done or some stupid thing, and go broke in the process. It isn’t lower taxes that create jobs, it is investors like myself who do that. Higher taxes, however, most definitely lose jobs because investors then have less money (and incentive) to re-invest and consumers have less money to spend.
That’s an intelligent discourse on how some people react to wealth..which is quite far from the simplistic mantra “don’t tax the rich because they do the hiring”, which is what Hannity, BOR, Cavuto and Kelly recite ad nauseum. It’s all a smokescreen. The far right doesn’t believe in taxes. Period.
The right believes in fair taxation. If we all paid the same rate, those making more than you would still be paying more than you. If the federal government cannot survive on that level of taxation then it’s trying to do too much.
Now, if you want to have a graduated income tax on the state level… that’s an entirely different proposition that a surprising number of business owners and investors could get behind.
And the ‘far left wants to raise taxes on the ‘rich’ despite the fact that it objectively hurts the economy, and never manages to generate the revenue that is claimed. ‘Raising revenue’ is a smokescreen. It’s about punishing achievement. Period.
December 14, 2010 at 10:20 am
MJ had a segment on Jane Levy’s new book on Micky Mantle. Brought back very vivid memories of my accidential meeting with him many years ago in the restroom at a tavern. He had been drinking heavily and had started weeping (going back to yesterday’s free for all comments) and just “had” to talk with me. Mantle was in great pain from all of his player wounds and felt that he drank to “block the pain”. Anyway, we talked for about a half an hour and he ended his conversation by reminding me to never get drunk (I had only one scotch in me).
As a result of this experience, I have not had any scotch since.
Changing topics (dramatically) did anyone else see that Chris Jansing had a ring on her “ring finger”? It would make me seriously happy if this wonderful woman had found that person that was hers and hers alone.
December 14, 2010 at 10:46 am
Oops, forgot the two scotchs that I had at St Andrews in Scotland in 1998. Sorry, memory is starting to blur.
December 14, 2010 at 2:04 pm
^ I should make this worse and tell you that the lounge in St Andrews was overlooking the eighteenth green. The selection of drinks were provided by two Scottish gentlemen for myself and my British boss. I enjoyed the drinks far better than I did the course’s sandtraps the next day.
By the way, my experience led me to the conclusion that the Scots are some of the nicest people in the world. Environment is ruff but the people are VERY warm.
December 14, 2010 at 2:15 pm
Do the Scottish people call it Scotch whiskey or simply whiskey? Like Chinese food. Do Chinese people just call it food?
Anyway, St. Andrews is on my bucket list.
December 14, 2010 at 2:58 pm
ls, Both, though, I believe that they will address Americans with “Scotch”.
St Andrews is a ton easier than playing in the American SE. Very few trees and open fairways. Ruff is terrible, wind is obnoxious and the sandtraps, like I said, are a death sentence.
December 14, 2010 at 3:01 pm
I have about 10 courses I’d like to play some day…courses that I could actually get on. St. Andrews is definitely in the top 3.
December 14, 2010 at 3:51 pm
ls, Have you played in Idaho at the bottom of the Snake River Canyon? To me, that was one of the finest rounds ever. Do in in August or September when the apples are ready (why then is, I assume, the micro climate).
Don’t know your preferences, though, I dislike playing in Florida or any place in the SE except one of the vast array of courses in Atlanta. Have to fight the trees, but, being an Okie, I got used to trees and wind.
I should also confess that I was reasonable in my youth, but, my Army injuries made one arm longer than the other and I never got back my swing. In otherwords, I haven’t been scratch since 1970.
December 14, 2010 at 6:05 pm
Unfortunately, I haven’t begun tackling my bucket list so I haven’t really played anywhere worth mentioning outside of my area. But, one day…
December 14, 2010 at 7:10 pm
ls, Play while you can. When you hit my age, you can’t even get on the right side of 100.
December 14, 2010 at 10:10 pm
For the sake of starting an argument in a perfectly peaceful thread, I would like to thank Fred for acknowledging that the right side is the good side.
December 14, 2010 at 10:13 pm
– the good side –
Although, looked at numerically, it would be the left. Meaning that Fred should have said ”the left side of 100”. Technically.
December 14, 2010 at 10:52 pm
I realize the right wing has a simplistic and not proven “rich people always create jobs with lower taxes” mantra that justifies griping about any hint of increases for them, but shouldn’t Hannity make some effort to make it at least sound like a real thought? He blurts out “rich create the jobs” every damn night without a shred of explanation. He just says it. Sean..you’re rich. Your friends are rich. You look like a self-centered ass.
December 15, 2010 at 12:57 am
Raise my taxes or don’t raise them. Either way, I’ll maintain about the same net income that I’m comfortable with, adjusted up or down as need be through my life’s changes, and I’ll do it by adjusting my gross. You won’t believe this, but when I received a considerable tax cut ten years ago I actually lowered my own gross income. If I just went out and spent the money I made on myself then I would be living paycheck-to-paycheck like everyone else… and I don’t ever want to live that way again. So I reinvest those extra profits in my businesses… and that means jobs. The “rich” are those people who have figured out that, beyond sustaining a reasonable living, the only thing money is good for is to make more money with. While others in their 20s bought cars, big-screen tellys, and other toys they couldn’t afford, I bought houses to fix-up and rent out, then commercial buildings to rent out, and, eventually, businesses that hire people to make things for profit. I lived on the money I made working shifts at area ERs.
Bill Gates is the ultimate example of this as his new career is now giving away all that wealth he (and others) accumulated over the years for good… and is doing so far more effectively than any government could ever do.
Of course there’s those classic examples of some sports, movie, and rock stars who somehow manage to spend millions every year, including tens of thousands getting their nails done or some stupid thing, and go broke in the process. It isn’t lower taxes that create jobs, it is investors like myself who do that. Higher taxes, however, most definitely lose jobs because investors then have less money (and incentive) to re-invest and consumers have less money to spend.
Besides that, Hannity is an ass.
December 15, 2010 at 1:30 am
That’s an intelligent discourse on how some people react to wealth..which is quite far from the simplistic mantra “don’t tax the rich because they do the hiring”, which is what Hannity, BOR, Cavuto and Kelly recite ad nauseum. It’s all a smokescreen. The far right doesn’t believe in taxes. Period.
December 15, 2010 at 1:47 am
The right believes in fair taxation. If we all paid the same rate, those making more than you would still be paying more than you. If the federal government cannot survive on that level of taxation then it’s trying to do too much.
Now, if you want to have a graduated income tax on the state level… that’s an entirely different proposition that a surprising number of business owners and investors could get behind.
December 15, 2010 at 11:29 am
– The far right doesn’t believe in taxes –
And the ‘far left wants to raise taxes on the ‘rich’ despite the fact that it objectively hurts the economy, and never manages to generate the revenue that is claimed. ‘Raising revenue’ is a smokescreen. It’s about punishing achievement. Period.
December 15, 2010 at 11:46 am
And appealing to envy and jealousy and the votes therein.