Press Releases: 02/17/11
MSNBC (1)
Program Note: MSNBC’s ‘The Ed Schultz Show’ to Broadcast Live From Anti-Union Bill Protests in Wisconsin State Capitol Tonight
New York – February 17, 2011 – ‘The Ed Schultz Show’ will broadcast live tonight from Madison, Wisconsin where protestors continue to converge amidst the news of Governor Scott Walker’s new budget plan. MSNBC’s Ed Schultz will be on the ground covering the massive backlash and outcry opposing Governor Scott Walker’s anti-union bill.
February 17, 2011 at 2:33 pm
oh gosh, that’s one to miss.
February 17, 2011 at 2:39 pm
Out there with the rabble. He’ll fit right in.
February 17, 2011 at 2:50 pm
“Out there with the rabble”
Rabble?
Do you mean the American middle class workers who protect you from crime, teach your children, keep you safe from terrorists, keep your food & water safe, put out fires in your neighbourhood, take away your garbage, clean your streets and nurse you when your sick?
Is that the rabble your taking about?
February 17, 2011 at 2:57 pm
Yes, that’s the rabble. People who think they shouldn’t be contributing to their pensions as much as private sector workers are.
Really I don’t have a problem with collective bargaining, unless the unions are using it to keep budget reforms from happening. Public sector workers should not be spared from the economic reality that has hurt private sector workers.
February 17, 2011 at 3:18 pm
I am fuolly, 100% with Fritz on this situation and the way that he framed it.
February 17, 2011 at 3:21 pm
Kinda sad Josh when teachers, police, firefighters, garbage collectors and nurses etc. are considered people that don’t deserve your respect. These are legal contracts last time I checked.
These tea party extremists politicians may find out they’ve stepped on a hornets nest when taking on the middle class silent majority.
February 17, 2011 at 3:26 pm
I think the middle class is tired of public workers getting better pensions then private workers. When budgets are strained, its better to cut back on public employee perks than to lay them off. The unions learned the hard way in New Jersey and now they’ll learn the hard way in Wisconsin.
As for respecting teachers, police, etc. I don’t think Gov. Walker is disrespecting government workers by giving them a dose of reality.
February 17, 2011 at 3:27 pm
Where are the headlines about these bigots and law breakers, and ignorant people carrying nazi signs around?
oh wait, the liberal media reserves those terms for the patriots who support the constitution, not the rabble rousers and democrats who RAN AWAY from their jobs today.
Too funny.
MSNBC embraces these guys and calls the tea party patriots racists. Never a dull moment in the two-sided liberal bias of today’s media.
February 17, 2011 at 3:31 pm
Many of these states simply cannot fund the pensions and other benefits that these workers are supposed to receive. The money is simply not there. Period.
It’s either reduce, marginally, the benefits now or have the entire funding structure collapse 5-7 years from now.
If there’s a better choice, I’d be willing to hear it.
February 17, 2011 at 3:44 pm
“the middle class is tired of public workers”
The middle class IS public workers. They are the only workers left being paid a living wage and getting benefits. The rest are being Walmarted to minimum wage and no benefits as fast as big business can game the system.
“If there’s a better choice, I’d be willing to hear it.”
It’s called collective bargaining. If this guy is so smart he should be able to negotiate a good deal for the state. Otherwise I suggest they fire him and hire a union negotiator. They seem to know how to do it successfully.
February 17, 2011 at 4:03 pm
^Fritz, somedays I feel that you should run for office. I would certainly vote for you.
February 17, 2011 at 4:22 pm
It’s called collective bargaining. If this guy is so smart he should be able to negotiate a good deal for the state. Otherwise I suggest they fire him and hire a union negotiator. They seem to know how to do it successfully.
Where/when has the public service unions in Wisconsin stated that they’re wiling to accept reductions and cutbacks?
That’s not a prosecutor’s question; it’s a sincere one.
February 17, 2011 at 4:27 pm
‘Rabble’ refers to an unthinking union mob, a place in which Schulz fits perfectly.
Spare me the superior attitude about public servants.
February 17, 2011 at 4:30 pm
LISTEN UP, LIBS!!!!!!!!!!!
No one is taking away pensions or health care away from these people, got it? Because of dire economic conditions, the governor is simply asking them to contribute an extremely small percentage (about 5%, I believe) to their health insurance premiums. And he is asking that they begin to fund a small part of their pensions, LIKE EVERYONE ELSE IN THE COUNTRY HAS TO DO!
Is that really such a hardship? People without jobs would be thrilled to take a benefit and pay package like these people have.
February 17, 2011 at 4:40 pm
whats up with comments sitting in moderation for hours on this board? I’m confused.
Did I ask the wrong question in wondering why cable news has ignored the nazi signs at the protest today?
February 17, 2011 at 4:55 pm
“Where/when has the public service unions in Wisconsin stated that they’re wiling to accept reductions and cutbacks?”
^They haven’t been asked. They were just told this is what were going to do. That’s why they’re angry.
“Rabble’ refers to an unthinking union mob”
^of nurses, teachers, firemen , police officers, food inspectors etc.. Personally I don’t think of those people as a mob.
“Spare me the superior attitude about public servants.”
^My attitude is to respect the working middle class of the United States over some politician whose interest is in making us an equal to Mexico.
“LISTEN UP, LIBS!!!!!!!!!!!”
^Missy: You could make a more cogent argument if you didn’t sound like Rush Limbaugh all the time. Screaming capitals don’t make me take you any more seriously.
February 17, 2011 at 5:07 pm
A mob is a mob, it doesn’t matter who’s in it. If there’s no violence, that’ll put them one-up on the usual gathering, and way better than the legislative children who ran away.
Ah, and it’s partly a DNC rent-a-mob. How typical, from a group claiming to want an ‘adult conversation’.
February 17, 2011 at 5:07 pm
fritz, I am a lovable little fuzzball, and don’t know what you’re talking about. I am just here to serve humanity!
February 17, 2011 at 5:09 pm
Is Fritz picking on Missy’s cat again?
February 17, 2011 at 5:26 pm
I hope someone points out the signs some of the protesters have with crosshairs on the Governors face and ask after what happen in Arizona and all the grief Palin got for her map why the Union Leaders let that happen in their protest…of course they probably won’t get the same reaction from that sign or the ones comparing the Governor to Hilter from Chrissy and the rest of the MSNBC crowd.
Now Joe you got mad at me yesterday but even you would agree that a sign with the Governor in the crossairs should be denounced by the leaders of the protest.
February 17, 2011 at 5:40 pm
Now Joe you got mad at me yesterday but even you would agree that a sign with the Governor in the crossairs should be denounced by the leaders of the protest.
Yep.
February 17, 2011 at 5:41 pm
For the record, I belong to a union, and hate union-bashers, but I don’t like union thugs, either. I’m anti-thug.
February 17, 2011 at 5:48 pm
I wonder how many of the protesters are tea party activists who are now regretting their vote. I don’t imagine there are a lot as most teachers and civil servants are well educated and informed on the issues.
February 17, 2011 at 5:50 pm
Ooh, that one really hurt. We’re devastated by such ‘wit’.
February 17, 2011 at 5:57 pm
I’m trying laura but your right that was weak.
February 17, 2011 at 5:58 pm
Everyone is trying to compare this to what happen in Egypt..dose that mean the protesters will start raping female reporters?
February 17, 2011 at 6:00 pm
– that was weak.
–
We all have our moments. Mine tend to have a certain pattern..
February 17, 2011 at 6:19 pm
OK laura try this one on for size.
The big winner of this attack on unions may be Obama and the Democrats. Republicans were helped by Tea Party activists in 2010; angered at Democratic policies like health care reform.
Union members like Joe or me will be activated more than usual in 2012 about these attacks on the right to organize and collectively bargain. Even more we will be worried that their hard fought for pensions and benefits will be lost.
Imagine the government taxing a part of your hard earned savings and saying you didn’t deserve them because you were rabble. That’s how I see this protest.
February 17, 2011 at 6:21 pm
Time to go away mlong. You are way beyond the bounds of good taste.
February 17, 2011 at 6:21 pm
So Fritz, you agree with the unions forcing schools to keep bad teachers, simply because they make it too hard and too expensive to remove them? You have no problem with super low retirement ages and long-term pensions for train counducters, which continually leave the NYC train system in the red? And you’re okay with road workers milking the clock, leaving jobs unfinished, and staging protests which result in uncleared snow, property damage, and death?
The unions in this country have become far too powerful. Protecting workers was and is important. However, making selfish and unrealistic demands, which have cripled cities and states is no longer acceptable. A fair wage should be given to all, but they moved passed “fair” a long time ago.
February 17, 2011 at 6:25 pm
Mlong, I have no idea who “everyone” is that is comparing the protesters to Egypt, or why you’re making tasteless cracks about rape. You’re acting like a jerk.
February 17, 2011 at 6:37 pm
Hey, Mlong has come a long way these last few months. I think we’re a good influence, especially the alpha-males who bust his chops. Get a grammar-teacher signed-up and he’s all set.
– The big winner –
That’s a good point. Especially if the Republicans are a disappointment, which is an ever present possibility. I do think that the base who fanatically supports unions is quite a bit smaller than one might think, and the unions could tap themselves out fighting the power. People might have to drive themselves to the polls, and ACORN may not be able to pick up the slack. Shudder.
February 17, 2011 at 6:39 pm
OK guys sorry about the joke.
February 17, 2011 at 6:41 pm
Thanks Mlong. Jerk. Kidding!
February 17, 2011 at 6:53 pm
“the base who fanatically supports unions is quite a bit smaller than one might think,”
It doesn’t take a large base to make a difference. It’s all about how angry you are; see the Tea Party for example.
As well the place where the unions are most powerful and can make a big difference are the midwest states like Wisconsin, Ohio, Pennsylvania, & Michigan; all in play in 2012 and many newly elected Tea Party supported Governors, Senators and Congressmen.
February 17, 2011 at 7:00 pm
I’m not convinced that the union protesters will be able to create a movement to rival the Tea Party. But Obama’s campaign will do whatever it can to motivate the Union base of the Democratic party like 2008.
February 17, 2011 at 7:06 pm
Well that’s over….
I would like to talk about how while the Dems is Wis have fled town Republicans like State Senator Randy Hopper are receiving threats and now are having to have the police watch his home…
Now once again I just want to see how the MSM covers this if they do cover it…if it was a Tea Party rally and a Dem Lawmaker started receiving threats I think the coverage would be different….I hope I’m wrong I really do but I have a feeling we won’t even hear about these threats from most of the MSM.
February 17, 2011 at 7:07 pm
But Obama’s campaign will do whatever it can to motivate the Union base of the Democratic party like 2008.
Well, yeah..just like every other Democratic Presidential contender ever in the history of everything.
February 17, 2011 at 7:11 pm
And here I thought the Unions were work groups, and supposed to be non-political.
Silly me.
February 17, 2011 at 7:13 pm
^ Not a wholly-owned-subsidiary of the Democratic Party and vice versa.
February 17, 2011 at 7:33 pm
fritz at 5:48pm: May I suggest you actually educate yourself about what is happening here in Wisconsin. I live in Madison and for days I have seen up close & personal what is happening in my capitol. The teachers have staged what is called an illegal work stoppage in Madison (according to state law) since over 40% have called in “sick” so schools have been closed for days.
The bill being debated is that all public unions would contribute 5.6% of the cost of their pensions and about 12% the cost of their healthcare. In the public sector there are generally 3-4 different plans they can choose from ranging from those with a high family deductible to one where there is a very low deductible and only a $5.00 co-pay on office visits and prescriptions for generics and $10.00 for name brand.
The governor has included that any and all unions dues will have to paid directly by the employee rather than having the state make the pay through payment for them. He feels this will make all union employees better understand how much their dues actually are.
If you feel these things are too much for people to handle i believe you have skewed sense of what is “real”.
And, no, there are NO tea party people protesting as Governor Walker campaigned on this issue and he has not been secretive about it.
As of today, they are actually busing in union members from Chicago and groups like Moveon are now part of the protesting.
See the attached video for the protesters who railed against Republicans for their incivility.
So, in conclusion fritz, you don;t know squat about what you are talking about!
February 17, 2011 at 8:03 pm
“So, in conclusion fritz, you don;t know squat about what you are talking about!”
^Personal attacks have never made much of an impression on me Pam. I suggest meditation.
Nothing in your rant about above proves that anything I said was not true.
Those tens of thousands (soon to hundreds of thousands) of people protesting must be upset about something. Looks a lot like those Tea Party rallies of last summer; except the crowds are bigger and there aren’t people there carrying guns.
February 17, 2011 at 8:06 pm
– and there aren’t people there carrying guns –
That’s some scanner you got there, Hoss. You might want to pass that along to TSA.
February 17, 2011 at 8:09 pm
“I’m not convinced that the union protesters will be able to create a movement to rival the Tea Party.”
Actually Josh the opposite should be the case. The Tea Party made a virtue out of being leaderless and disorganized. It was the thing that most frustrated the Republican Party in 2010. Unions are nothing if not organized. It’s the reason they exist.
February 17, 2011 at 8:12 pm
“That’s some scanner you got there, Hoss.”
When you see some teacher with a semi-automatic strapped to her waist let me know.
February 17, 2011 at 8:13 pm
^ You been to some of these schools?
February 17, 2011 at 8:13 pm
A ruler just won’t do it.
February 17, 2011 at 8:30 pm
The bill being debated is that all public unions would contribute 5.6% of the cost of their pensions and about 12% the cost of their healthcare.
How much does that add up to, and what is the average pay of the workers? These people are acting like they’re going to lose everything; I’d like to know why.
February 17, 2011 at 8:57 pm
Joe It has really nothing to do with the percentage of pension or healthcare cost. The bill in question will take away the right to collectively bargain – forever. It’s about breaking the unions.
February 17, 2011 at 9:47 pm
joe & fritz: a little history about Wisconsin and specifically Madison. We are known as the Berkeley of the midwest. Madison is a VERY liberal city. Wisconsin was the first state in the union to have collective bargaining – I believe it started in 1959. For the last 10 years in Wisconsin every contract that ended up in arbitration, which is what we have after negotiations between the two parties have failed, has ended up with the arbitrator ruling that the contract should be settled with the union proposal. So, many communities, counties and school districts over the years have had to pony up, so to speak, for huge contract settlements.
As a state, we are the 10th highest taxed state in the country. In Dane County, where Madison is located, we are the very near the top taxed county and city in the state. Because we are the seat of government and where the University of Wisconsin Madison are located we have never had a real unemployment issue. That has not held true in the rest of the state.
In the city of Milwaukee over 50% of the students in the Milwaukee Public Schools do not graduate. Yet, they have the highest paid teachers in the state with the AVERAGE pay and benefits package costing $100,000. In Madison, we have the second highest pay and benefit package averaging $82,000. In Wisconsin, once you get hired as a teacher you are 100% vested in the retirement on your first day of hire.
As far as state employees, you may bank all of your sick pay and vacation from year to year. Your retirement pay is based on the last three years of salary and if you have a job that allows overtime, overtime is offered on the basis of seniority, so of, course the people who are getting ready to retire take all the overtime to bump up their salaries during their last three years of employment. In 2009, in the city of Madison there were three bus drivers who earned in WAGES ONLY, Not benefits over $159,000. They then retired and with banked vacation and sick time because they had worked for the city for anywhere from 25-30 years they were able to get paid in a lump sum payment the equivalent of approximately 450 days (3600 hours) of salary.
I could go on and on, but when people are losing jobs, homes are being foreclosed on and these employees are squawking about
contributing to their pensions and healthcare it starts to not ring true with the rest of the citizens.
Unions are just used to getting their way in Wisconsin and that time has come to an end. It should have come to an end with the last Governor (a Democrat) but he raided the transportation fund (gas taxes -which Wisconsin is in the top 5 in the nation) and a patient compensation fund to help balance his last budget after he gave state workers a 3.5% raise. Of course, near the end of his term our Supreme Court said what he did was illegal so now the state has to pay back both of those funds with interest which makes our budget shortfall that much bigger. He also used 2.5 billion that the state received from the stimulus to balance the budget.
So, that about sums it up. A little lengthy but these unions know the gravy train has come to an end and they a really ticked off!
February 17, 2011 at 10:02 pm
Pam I’m sorry your stuck at home but you just don’t get it.
All the union stuff you mention may or may not be true. It was legally negotiated through collective bargaining. If its too much take it up with your politicians. The union did it’s job for the workers just like lobbyists do their jobs for big business
The Governor of Wisconsin want to take away collective bargaining – forever.
Try and imagine the Democrats passing a law that said you couldn’t own a gun. For unions banning collective bargaining is like taking guns away from a NRA member.
To us it’s that important.
February 17, 2011 at 10:07 pm
I totally agree with…both of you.
February 17, 2011 at 10:24 pm
fritz: I don’t lie – which is what you are saying with “All the union stuff you mention may or may not be true”. I do get it, and I’m living it every day!
And yes, they all got everything I mentioned through collective bargaining. My point is mentioning those items was that with “new contracts”, not ones already negotiated and settled, there needs to be changes and that is what this legislation is all about. If there is a settled contract they will NOT be renegotiated unitl they expire, but this bill is to change the parameters for contracts in the future. The state contracts for 11 unions were NOT settled by the last administration, Democrat Governor, Democrat controlled Senate, Democrat controlled Assembly because the unions were not willing to make any concessions as far as pensions and healthcare without dealing with collective bargaining. So even the Democrats could not find common ground with the unions. They actually had a Democrat Senator released from prison (he was in there for his 4th or 5th DUI) to try to get the vote to pass the contracts before the inauguration. It did not happen. So now, the unions are even more ticked off because they didn’t settle when they had the numbers on their side.
As far as the “Governor” taking away collective bargaining he can’t do it alone (he doesn’t have executive power like Obama does) he has to get the legislature to vote on this. And all of those people were elected by the citizens of this state. How did this major shift happen? – the citizens of this state just are sick and tired of our taxes being raised and seeing no movement on the unions part. There were many other issues, too, but this was a huge one.
So, I am going to say you just don’t get it!
February 17, 2011 at 10:33 pm
Correction: Jeff Wood was jailed on his 3rd DUI.
February 18, 2011 at 6:19 am
“fritz: I don’t lie”
I never said you did, but what you believe and the actual facts may be different. I don’t know.
The details of the contracts and the state of the budget are all a matter of debate, despite what you say, and I have no interest in doing a long back and forth on that subject. You have your opinion I have mine. These are a red herring put out by conservatives to muddy the waters. It’s not the reason for the protesting.
The reason is they want to take away collective bargaining – forever.
“is a settled contract they will NOT be renegotiated until they expire,”
If/when the bill passes there will be no ‘negotiations’ because there will be no collective bargaining. The governor will tell employees what they get.That may great with you but not for the public servants and their families.
February 18, 2011 at 7:30 am
fritz: if a ratified contract has a set expiration date there will be NO CHANGES to that contract even if this bill passes. Only contracts that are not ratified by the unions and whatever bargaining group, city, county, school district or state as of the date of the bill passage will immediately come under this bill.
The city of Madison had a special meeting just last night to reset the contract expiration dates of ALL (10) the union contracts to December 31, 2012. The contracts include a 3% raise for 2011 and a 2% raise for 2012 and the city will pay for all or most of the healthcare premiums (Most or all is dependent upon FT or PT status). So, those contracts WILL NOT come under the purview of this new legislation even if it is passed. So only when negotiating contracts for 2013 will this become an issue for City of Madison employees.
Many communities are trying to make the same thing happen as what happened in Madison last night so it may be years before this actually affects all unions in Wisconsin.
So, fritz, in conclusion you seem to to not know about all the details but you sure seem to know why they are protesting: “The reason is they want to take away collective bargaining – forever.” Now,you are next to God – omniscient, huh?
February 18, 2011 at 7:45 am
The MacIver Institute adds this (hat tip SteveEgg): The average Milwaukee Public School teacher will be receiving $100,005 in compensation this year – $56,500 of that is in salary, and a whopping $43,505 is in benefits.
Are Wisconsin’s public school teachers in
fact underpaid, or is the underpayment argu-
ment a product of teacher union propaganda?
An analysis of a U.S. census survey data on
wages finds no evidence that Wisconsin’s pub-
lic school teachers are underpaid in compari-
son to their peer groups. In fact, quite the con-
trary. When public school teacher salaries are
adjusted for the number of weeks teachers
work each year, it becomes clear that teachers
are among some of the most highly compen-
sated employees in the state.
Statistical analysis of M. Scott Wiederjohn at UW- Madison (not exactly a conservative school) Public school teacher salaries dwarf those of private school teachers. Before adjusting for
time worked, moreover, public school teacher
salaries are very close to the salaries of other
public sector employees. Once the time-
worked adjustment is added, teacher salaries
are revealed as significantly higher than the
salaries of other public employees and even
private sector employees. Unionized public
school teachers also make significantly more
than other unionized state employees. An
analysis of public school teacher health insur-
ance benefits reveals another compensation
advantage over other Wisconsin employees.
Search here for WI pay for teachers: http://www.jsonline.com/watchdog/dataondemand/33534649.html
February 18, 2011 at 7:50 am
Pam, thanks for spelling out the specifics of what is/has gone on in Wisconsin.
And Fritz, if the collective bargaining strategy goes away, then GOOD! All it’s done for Wisconsin and other states/municipalies so far is to driven them into insolvency! I believe it’s the “collective” part that is the problem – these people, in a group, are thuggist and intimidating in demeanor, believing that their sheer numbers can get them anything they want!
Who the hell are THEY that they alone should be given such privilege as to protect their very jobs, their pay and their benefits? Most in the private sector are NOT unionized, and must suffer along with the ups and downs of the economy. These people are not particularly bright, better educated or more skilled than anyone in the private sector, and it’s amazing that they actually think that deserved protected class status.
From what I’ve heard, collective bargaining came into being when these government employee wages were very low. But that is the case no more – aren’t they paid, on average, about TWICE what similar jobs in the private sector would pay?
But the “collective” part has also enabled these people to act as a thuggish mob, especially when they decide to go to the homes of the leaders of corporations or government, intimidating those people and their families. “Although we’ll never see Katie Couric or Brian Williams reporting on this horror, this practice has GOT TO STOP!
February 18, 2011 at 7:53 am
pam: The unions are willing to negotiate new contracts and changes in the pensions and healthcare; possibly even renegotiate old settled ones.
They are not going to give up collective bargaining. That’s not going to happen. If the governor gets his bill passed you will be dealing with years of work to rule, legal challenges and civil disobedience.
It’s the same as if Obama pushed a ‘single payer’ healthcare system on the US or took away your right to bare arms. Even you would be in the streets protesting.
It’s the same for unions. This is a fight they can’t afford to lose. That it’s started in Wisconsin is unfortunate for you but it could have just as easily happened in Ohio or Florida and may still yet.
I can’t express it any better. This is a life or death matter for unions in the United States.
February 18, 2011 at 8:20 am
fritz: I WILL REPEAT: the 10 unions that have contracts with the state of Wisconsin HAD THEIR CHANCE TO GIVE CONCESSIONS BEFORE THE LAST GOVERNOR (DEMOCRAT ALONG WITH THE DEMOCRATICALLY CONTROLLED SENATE AND ASSEMBLY) LEFT OFFICE! THEY DID NOT WANT TO GIVE CONCESSIONS! SO – THE CONTRACTS WERE NOT SETTLED, so don’t talk to me about them wanting to make concessions. This is their talking point now and people who are just tuning into this issue buy their load of bull! I lived this for months before you even heard of it.
February 18, 2011 at 8:21 am
“But the “collective” part has also enabled these people to act as a thuggish mob, especially when they decide to go to the homes of the leaders of corporations or government, intimidating those people and their families.”
And yet, a’ thuggish mob’ going to the suburban homes of providers of legal abortions, to harass them and their neighbours, is somehow all right with most on the right.
February 18, 2011 at 8:31 am
Really fritz? I’ve never heard that.
February 18, 2011 at 8:44 am
Whoever posted the part about having had the opportunity to settle in the last contract and having turned it down; the governor has my support in this one.
February 18, 2011 at 8:49 am
Yeah missy it happened in Kansas in the last week or so although I can’t remember the exact date.
February 18, 2011 at 9:02 am
^ Sorry missy it was actually only a few days ago; so that may be why you haven’t heard about it yet. Source TRMS Feb. 16th.
February 18, 2011 at 12:13 pm
It’s a red herring anyway. No one is talking about abortion, and it has no bearing in this case. Thugs shouldn’t be intimidating people at their homes, I don’t care what cause they stand for.
February 18, 2011 at 12:24 pm
Pam; You need to calm down. All that yelling will give you a heart attack. Things will settle down in a year or two.
“Thugs shouldn’t be intimidating people at their homes,”
I totally agree with that laura. At least the protesters in Wisconsin aren’t murdering anyone.
February 18, 2011 at 12:42 pm
– aren’t murdering anyone. –
And let’s give them a cookie for that.
February 18, 2011 at 1:38 pm
I don’t appreciate the sentiment that eliminating collective bargaining is GOOD. The right’s desire to destroy unions, and make the entire American employment structure the WalMart 9-bucks-an-hour model, is BAD.
February 18, 2011 at 1:54 pm
We’re just full of false choices, aren’t we?