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Senator: Army could train Libyan opposition in anti-aircraft defense
By Adam Levine, CNN
Washington (CNN) — If the U.S. military is hesitant to enact a no-fly zone over Libya, the Army is capable of giving the opposition the capacity to use anti-aircraft defenses themselves, Sen. Joe Lieberman suggested Thursday.
Lieberman, I-Connecticut, raised the idea to Gen. Martin Dempsey, the Chief of Staff of the Army, who was testifying at a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing regarding his renomination.
Dempsey told Lieberman the Army does have the expertise to train in air defense and had done so with militaries around the world.
Oh! You mean how the US Government gave SAM’s to ALQ in Afghanistan? Right. They were known as the mujaheddin then. Don’t suppose this could come back to bite, eh?
Lieberman needs to retire because he’s a f’ing dolt.
@joeremi: Sorry, I was in class (limits how much I can tweet and interact, got to give the professors a little bit of my divided attention, LOL). Should be a good show tonight.
In the odd convergence of racing, journalism, and cable news we have here tonight, I’ll voice my opinion on NASCAR reporters cheering at Daytona:
They’re NASCAR reporters, which makes them “NASCAR guys”. They’re in the middle of a downturn for the sport, made worse by the extremely unpopular Jimmie Johnson having just won his 5th straight boring championship in a row a few months ago.
Now it’s a new year, and some kid nobody’s ever heard of is winning the biggest race in NASCAR for the oldest team in the business. It’s a good story, and worth a little shout. What, an objective journalist is supposed to keep his distance from such an objectively happy story? Ridiculous.
@joeremi: We’re taking about a clash of ethics here. Traditional journalists did stay objective. They reported the story, got their increase in traffic, readers, whatever, and never interjected emotion in to the story. NASCAR’s in a downturn, sure, but does that excuse behavior even NASCAR says is unacceptable.
Then you have the “citizen journalists” (see my tweet about an 18 year-old girl, with no actual experience – just a keyboard and a blog, getting credentials to cover the race), who are really just fans with a laptop, iPhone and a wireless card. They walk in, having never been inside a college classroom before, and start covering the race. They’re told, by NASCAR, they must keep to the same ethical code veteran media does… but they don’t know that ethical code. All they know about how to cover races is what they’ve seen on SPEED (entertainment, not informative) and all they know about journalism is what they see on FOX News.
Ah. I didn’t know about the journalist/blogger debate. Perhaps I should’ve listened to tonight’s show first. I’d say “my bad”, but that phrase makes me want to choke..
^ Sure, Jacky, I’ll just pretend the Tea Party isn’t where those stupid cracker racists Huck is targeting reside. Not all Tea Partiers are racist, but all right-wing racists are Tea Partiers. I know a “southern strategy” when I see it, Sparky.
Stop trying to make this into some kind of conspiracy. Huckabee is saying stupid stuff and he is trying to save his ass, that is all. He isn’t shining any metaphorical bat-signal. As you may have noticed, this “strategy” you speak of isn’t working, Huckabee is looking more and more crazy.
And that right-wing racist generalization you made is one of the dumbest things I have seen. What if I were to say
Not all Muslims are terrorists but all terrorists are Muslims.
Not all money is paper but all things paper is money.
Not all Asians are smart but all smart people are Asian.
Go ahead, find me a conservative cracker racist who doesn’t identify with the Tea Party. You can’t. It’s an integral part of that movement, and too many politicians feed it with mysterious references to Obama’s Kenyan background. Translation: That black African guy is not American. It’s a cheesy racist move, and your party tolerates it.
^It’s just joe twisting stories to his bias to try and paint all Republicans/Tea Party/conservatives/anyone who doesn’t agree with Obama/anyone who does not think Obama is that dreamy as a backwards racist bigot. Apparently Huckabee speaks for every single person in ether of these groups. How come I didn’t get the memo?
Read closely. There is a racist element in the Tea Party. With the election of the first black President – especially a liberal one – there was going to be a segment of the far right that was racist about it. It’s statistically inevitable. In and of itself..no big deal. The problem is that some Republicans are feeding it, and everybody else – with the notable and amazing exception of Sarah Palin – are playing along. It’s an evil game. Cut it out.
I addressed a specific element, Jacky. If you think I’m claiming that you, Laura, Steve, Al and Missy are racist..you’re nuts. You’re ignoring a specific problem in your party by claiming I’m generalising about all of you. You’re gonna have to wade in a little deeper than that.
Saw the abbreviated WSJ headline as a link on Drudge: “Dollar’s Reign Is Near An End” and of course my first thought was, “What the ‘ell did Johnny do?” Figured Spud would post something. Hehe.
-Racisim & Tea Party-
Load of crap that only pea brains would believe. The rest who say that are intentional liars.
Example: Let’s say the socialist/Marxist element in the Democratic Party was considered a statistically significant enough voting block that some Dems running for office felt the need to tip their hat to them, while the rest babbled about “their right to their beliefs”, while refusing to shout, “Hey you dirtbag Communist, put a lid on it!”
Example: Let’s say the socialist/Marxist element in the Democratic Party was considered a statistically significant enough voting block that some Dems running for
You keep going from saying there’s an element in the Tea Party who are racists to saying that the entire movement is racist or driven by racist thoughts.
Yes, there are racists among the Tea Partyers. And socialists among the unions.
But neither movement should be judged or characterized due to those elements.
Are you saying that, for example, Huckabee’s statements were driven by a “need” to appeal to that racist element?
Well joe, anyone has the right o be a racist, society as a whole does not pay attention to these kinds of people though. And of course the Tea Party may have some racist people in it, but the general population has racists in it too.
You were trying to say that there are racists in the Tea Party and no one gives a damn or the Tea Party as a whole is racist, both points are clearly not true.
I did not say, “there’s no racists in the Tea Party”. There likely are a small number, but I know there’s probably just as many if not more in any group in our society.
More seriously, O’Reilly is hammering Rumsfeld over the Iraq War and the failure of the Administration to prepare for the “parade of horribles”, e.g., the civil war, the Sunni uprising, et cetera.
It’s why he, despite all his faults, is still the best cable news interviewer there is.
You keep going from saying there’s an element in the Tea Party who are racists to saying that the entire movement is racist or driven by racist thoughts.
NO! I said that the rest of the party tolerates it because they think it threatens too many votes if they don’t. LISTEN.
Are you saying that, for example, Huckabee’s statements were driven by a “need” to appeal to that racist element?
Well, “need” is an odd word for it, but yes. Huck is purposely using “Kenya” and “Africa” and “madrassa” to paint a picture of The Evil Black Man Come To Harm My Country. No vote is worth that degradation of our politics.
I did not say, “there’s no racists in the Tea Party”. There likely are a small number, but I know there’s probably just as many if not more in any group in our society.
What part of “specific” do you not undestand? If some racist crap in another segment of our society comes up, we can talk about it. I’m talking about THIS one NOW. Why do I talk to you people? You refuse to address the issue..instead getting defensive and accusing me of calling EVERYBODY racist. Right. There’s no problems on your side, and you’re never wrong. Forget it, I’m wasting my time. Go feed the crackers..you’re still gonna lose.
Let’s see, you said the Tea Party are all radical libertarians who want to promote “social Darwinism” and destroy government and outlaw unions.
No, you said they’re all theocrats who want to establish a religious state.
No, they’re now mostly racists – or they have an influential racist element that everyone must bow to – who oppose Obama simply because of his race and not his politics.
Come to think of it, I’ve never heard Palin say anything like this. No “as far as I know”, no references to Africa or madrassas, nothing. She didn’t even mess with race or religion when talking about Rev. Wright and Bill Ayers. She focused entirely on what those men said, and connected Obama to that. I obviously didn’t like it, but there was nothing ethnic about any of it whatsoever.
I’m not fond of Sarah Palin, but ya gotta give her her due as a practicing Christian. Right, Pastor Huckabee..?
Let’s see, you said the Tea Party are all radical libertarians who want to promote “social Darwinism” and destroy government and outlaw unions.
Yes, that’s all true. No, they’re not predominantly racist. In fact, my guess is there’s less of them than the scared right-wing politicians think. They are obviously pandering to them, and, in my opinion, don’t need to. My statistical analysis would be that they lose more votes than they gain with this tactic. No, those politicians aren’t racist..they’re STUPID.
Many of those in the far-left anti-war movement were just as anti-American as they were anti-war. I don’t remember people like Joe whining that dem “leaders” weren’t loud enough in denouncing the fringe among their own movement. Actually, I remember being berated about the fact that being anti-war doesn’t mean you’re anti-American.
Yet, since Obama began running for office, any opposition to him has been blamed on “racism” by the wingnut left. Remember, the “birther movement” was started by Hillary supporters. Obama had an approval rating of 70% on inaguration day. Now, it’s a little below 50. Using Joe’s (and every MSNBC pundit’s) logic, I can only assume that it’s taken months and even years for millions of Americans to see a picture of Obama. Once they did, they decided they didn’t like him anymore because they finally found out he was black.
Joe, you’re watching too much MSNBC. It’s making you sound just a tad bit crazy. BTW, why don’t you poll tea party members and ask them who they’d rather have as POTUS: Condi Rice or Nancy Pelosi? It’s not about his skin color, it’s about his ideology. The left is way more obsessed about the color of one’s skin than any conservative I know.
It’s not about his skin color, it’s about his ideology.</I.
As long as Mike Huckabee is babbling about his upbringing in a Kenyan madrassa, it's about his skin color. It's a giant pile of lies intended to scare whitey with the black foreigner. Obama's ideology can debated on the American soil he was born on, just like Sarah Palin does it.
“As long as Mike Huckabee is babbling about his upbringing in a Kenyan madrassa,”
He didn’t say anything about a “madrassa”, at least not that I heard. And, he admitted he was wrong.
When people on the fringes have a strong dislike towards a politician, they move away from reality and jump on the hate wagon. You should be well aware of this, Joe. Afterall, you think President Bush should be put in prison. I’d say that that’s a heck of a lot worse than anything I’ve seen coming out of the tea party.
I sorta think Gov. Huckabee honestly misspoke. He claimed on whatever show he as on yesterday that, had he followed his own script as he wrote in his book, he wouldn’t have made that mistake.
Believe him or don’t, I don’t care. But note that he received considerable guff for that gaff directly from conservatives. Sure, we’re more likely to believe his claim that it was a mistake, but it still didn’t help him one iota if he wants to run and win the nomination.
Not so sure we’d vote for Clarence Thomas for president. Don’t get me wrong, his life story and commitment to the law is inspiring, but he’s not someone I’d want leading the country. Dr. Condi Rice? Against any candidate of either party, my vote is her’s to lose.
Condi’s knows she’s much to decent of a person to run for President..which of course means she should. Biggest landslide in history. It’d be Rice against some socialist from Oregon, ’cause no real politician would bother.
LS, “madrassa” was today. Huck keeps “apologizing” by dragging up more weirdness. Is he having a seizure or something?
I liked O’Donnell’s comment about Boy Scouts. No, Huck, most boys were not Boy Scouts. Some of us were a little busy ducking bullets in poverty-stricken inner cities, Sparky. There’s a country out there beyond Mayberry..
More seriously, O’Reilly is hammering Rumsfeld over the Iraq War and the failure of the Administration to prepare for the “parade of horribles”, e.g., the civil war, the Sunni uprising, et cetera.
It’s why he, despite all his faults, is still the best cable news interviewer there is.
Just watched it. Good stuff. I’ve begun to appreciate O’Reilly, for all his faults. I used to think he flew off the handle and yelled at people too much but that’s mostly for show, isn’t it?
Ugh. All this Huckabee talk is tiring. One important thing for you, Joe, to understand. To every conservative I know (which is just about everybody I know) “liberal” is a hell of a lot more scarier than “black”. I don’t give a rat’s ass what color the President is nor does anyone I know. The guy could be a freaking albino and I’d still think he was an absurdly ill-prepared, inexperienced guy who doesn’t have a clue as to what it takes to be POTUS. He’s nothing more than an American Idol-in-Chief. The fact that he’s black is about as important to me as his shoe size.
LS, I agree that that is how most conservatives perceive him, which is one of the reasons the race-baiting to the mental minority in your party pisses me off. Their numbers don’t warrant the amount of attention they receive, and it belittles the real problems thoughtful conservatives – which is the majority – have with him.
The Tea Party is one segment of conservatism, and the dirtbag racists in it are a small part of that. I have huge problems with the Tea Party movement as a whole, but the actual racists in it aren’t worth our attention. Unfortunately, major players in your party keep talking to them. STOP TALKING TO THEM. Focus on ideological differences, and stfu about KENYA.
Show me a candidate who hasn’t rightly or wrongly been accused of talking to the wrong crowd and I’ll show you an actor reading from a movie script. Huckabee has already proven himself to be a generally nice, fair, and caring guy. What matters is whether or not he has the ability to lead the country back in the right direction. I haven’t decided on that yet.
And I’ll bust on any candidate who talks to “the wrong crowd”. It’s a cheap and degrading way to garner a vote. We need to be better than grabbing the lowest common denominator to score points.
I’d be less upset if it was just some tool like Newt..although I admire his intelligence enough to be bugged about him, too. But I liked Mike Huckabee. A lot. What he’s done here is depressing.
I just saw Ed’s “take down” of Huckabee objecting to Natalie Portman having a child out of wedlock. Sorry, libs, that’s fair game. The man is a Christian, and has every right to preach Christian values, and object to examples that are shy of that mark. Just sayin.
March 3, 2011 at 12:40 pm
Reporters at Daytona rooting for Trevor Bayne at Daytona… disgusting.
March 3, 2011 at 12:40 pm
FOX Noise smearing protesters saying they’re violent (using video clips from different rallies)
March 3, 2011 at 12:53 pm
Reporters at Daytona rooting for Trevor Bayne at Daytona… disgusting.
Dude, you totally have a cable news connection to this coming tonight. Spill.
March 3, 2011 at 1:29 pm
Senator: Army could train Libyan opposition in anti-aircraft defense
By Adam Levine, CNN
Washington (CNN) — If the U.S. military is hesitant to enact a no-fly zone over Libya, the Army is capable of giving the opposition the capacity to use anti-aircraft defenses themselves, Sen. Joe Lieberman suggested Thursday.
Lieberman, I-Connecticut, raised the idea to Gen. Martin Dempsey, the Chief of Staff of the Army, who was testifying at a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing regarding his renomination.
Dempsey told Lieberman the Army does have the expertise to train in air defense and had done so with militaries around the world.
Oh! You mean how the US Government gave SAM’s to ALQ in Afghanistan? Right. They were known as the mujaheddin then. Don’t suppose this could come back to bite, eh?
Lieberman needs to retire because he’s a f’ing dolt.
March 3, 2011 at 1:29 pm
Fine, I’ll do his dirty work. 11:00 est. Be there!
amarquis32 . @GennaGirl and I will be joined by @DavidShuster … here’s some literature to look over before the show (http://bit.ly/hdlmTS).
March 3, 2011 at 1:43 pm
Maybe Shuster will expound on his claim that the reason so many people are watching Charlie Sheen interviews is because Fox News spews lies.
March 3, 2011 at 1:47 pm
@joeremi: Sorry, I was in class (limits how much I can tweet and interact, got to give the professors a little bit of my divided attention, LOL). Should be a good show tonight.
March 3, 2011 at 1:47 pm
^ I’m thinking that’s not gonna come up in a NASCAR discussion..
March 3, 2011 at 1:52 pm
Shuster seems to think the discussion will be about NASCAR, journalism, ethics, etc. So who knows? He might just explain that bit of insight. Or not.
March 3, 2011 at 2:00 pm
In the odd convergence of racing, journalism, and cable news we have here tonight, I’ll voice my opinion on NASCAR reporters cheering at Daytona:
They’re NASCAR reporters, which makes them “NASCAR guys”. They’re in the middle of a downturn for the sport, made worse by the extremely unpopular Jimmie Johnson having just won his 5th straight boring championship in a row a few months ago.
Now it’s a new year, and some kid nobody’s ever heard of is winning the biggest race in NASCAR for the oldest team in the business. It’s a good story, and worth a little shout. What, an objective journalist is supposed to keep his distance from such an objectively happy story? Ridiculous.
March 3, 2011 at 2:11 pm
@joeremi: We’re taking about a clash of ethics here. Traditional journalists did stay objective. They reported the story, got their increase in traffic, readers, whatever, and never interjected emotion in to the story. NASCAR’s in a downturn, sure, but does that excuse behavior even NASCAR says is unacceptable.
Then you have the “citizen journalists” (see my tweet about an 18 year-old girl, with no actual experience – just a keyboard and a blog, getting credentials to cover the race), who are really just fans with a laptop, iPhone and a wireless card. They walk in, having never been inside a college classroom before, and start covering the race. They’re told, by NASCAR, they must keep to the same ethical code veteran media does… but they don’t know that ethical code. All they know about how to cover races is what they’ve seen on SPEED (entertainment, not informative) and all they know about journalism is what they see on FOX News.
March 3, 2011 at 2:17 pm
Ah. I didn’t know about the journalist/blogger debate. Perhaps I should’ve listened to tonight’s show first. I’d say “my bad”, but that phrase makes me want to choke..
March 3, 2011 at 3:47 pm
I’m sick of this “he’s not like us” race-baiting “scary black man” crap. We all know exactly what’s going on here. Welcome to the Tea Party.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/03/03/huckabee-team-defends-madrassa-comment/
March 3, 2011 at 4:19 pm
^Please don’t group Huckabee’s stupidity with the Tea Party joe.
March 3, 2011 at 4:33 pm
^ Sure, Jacky, I’ll just pretend the Tea Party isn’t where those stupid cracker racists Huck is targeting reside. Not all Tea Partiers are racist, but all right-wing racists are Tea Partiers. I know a “southern strategy” when I see it, Sparky.
March 3, 2011 at 4:53 pm
Stop trying to make this into some kind of conspiracy. Huckabee is saying stupid stuff and he is trying to save his ass, that is all. He isn’t shining any metaphorical bat-signal. As you may have noticed, this “strategy” you speak of isn’t working, Huckabee is looking more and more crazy.
And that right-wing racist generalization you made is one of the dumbest things I have seen. What if I were to say
Not all Muslims are terrorists but all terrorists are Muslims.
Not all money is paper but all things paper is money.
Not all Asians are smart but all smart people are Asian.
See how stupid that sounds? Cmon joe…
March 3, 2011 at 5:32 pm
Go ahead, find me a conservative cracker racist who doesn’t identify with the Tea Party. You can’t. It’s an integral part of that movement, and too many politicians feed it with mysterious references to Obama’s Kenyan background. Translation: That black African guy is not American. It’s a cheesy racist move, and your party tolerates it.
March 3, 2011 at 5:51 pm
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/#41895477
March 3, 2011 at 5:53 pm
I remember some folks on my side playing the “liberals who criticize the neocons are anti-semites” game.
Some were. But most – the vast majority – weren’t.
It was unfair and cheap to lump the two together.
But apparently it’s okay now? Or not?
March 3, 2011 at 6:05 pm
^It’s just joe twisting stories to his bias to try and paint all Republicans/Tea Party/conservatives/anyone who doesn’t agree with Obama/anyone who does not think Obama is that dreamy as a backwards racist bigot. Apparently Huckabee speaks for every single person in ether of these groups. How come I didn’t get the memo?
March 3, 2011 at 6:06 pm
Read closely. There is a racist element in the Tea Party. With the election of the first black President – especially a liberal one – there was going to be a segment of the far right that was racist about it. It’s statistically inevitable. In and of itself..no big deal. The problem is that some Republicans are feeding it, and everybody else – with the notable and amazing exception of Sarah Palin – are playing along. It’s an evil game. Cut it out.
March 3, 2011 at 6:09 pm
I addressed a specific element, Jacky. If you think I’m claiming that you, Laura, Steve, Al and Missy are racist..you’re nuts. You’re ignoring a specific problem in your party by claiming I’m generalising about all of you. You’re gonna have to wade in a little deeper than that.
March 3, 2011 at 6:09 pm
Saw the abbreviated WSJ headline as a link on Drudge: “Dollar’s Reign Is Near An End” and of course my first thought was, “What the ‘ell did Johnny do?” Figured Spud would post something. Hehe.
-Racisim & Tea Party-
Load of crap that only pea brains would believe. The rest who say that are intentional liars.
March 3, 2011 at 6:11 pm
Al, are you honestly telling me there’s no racists in the Tea Party? Considering that that’s a statistical impossibility..try again.
March 3, 2011 at 6:13 pm
There is a racist element in the Tea Party
And there’s a, to choose an example of the top of my head, Marxist or socialist element in the union movement.
But anyone characterizing the entire movement – or most of it – by that element would be rightly condemned for engaging in guilt by association.
What’s the purpose of singling out a small element of a movement or cause other than to indict the entire movement?
It’s easy to do but I like a little more thought by people.
March 3, 2011 at 6:17 pm
Is it really that hard to understand my point?
Example: Let’s say the socialist/Marxist element in the Democratic Party was considered a statistically significant enough voting block that some Dems running for office felt the need to tip their hat to them, while the rest babbled about “their right to their beliefs”, while refusing to shout, “Hey you dirtbag Communist, put a lid on it!”
Same thing.
March 3, 2011 at 6:23 pm
Example: Let’s say the socialist/Marxist element in the Democratic Party was considered a statistically significant enough voting block that some Dems running for
You keep going from saying there’s an element in the Tea Party who are racists to saying that the entire movement is racist or driven by racist thoughts.
Yes, there are racists among the Tea Partyers. And socialists among the unions.
But neither movement should be judged or characterized due to those elements.
Are you saying that, for example, Huckabee’s statements were driven by a “need” to appeal to that racist element?
March 3, 2011 at 6:23 pm
Well joe, anyone has the right o be a racist, society as a whole does not pay attention to these kinds of people though. And of course the Tea Party may have some racist people in it, but the general population has racists in it too.
You were trying to say that there are racists in the Tea Party and no one gives a damn or the Tea Party as a whole is racist, both points are clearly not true.
March 3, 2011 at 6:24 pm
I did not say, “there’s no racists in the Tea Party”. There likely are a small number, but I know there’s probably just as many if not more in any group in our society.
March 3, 2011 at 6:27 pm
More seriously, O’Reilly is hammering Rumsfeld over the Iraq War and the failure of the Administration to prepare for the “parade of horribles”, e.g., the civil war, the Sunni uprising, et cetera.
It’s why he, despite all his faults, is still the best cable news interviewer there is.
March 3, 2011 at 6:32 pm
You keep going from saying there’s an element in the Tea Party who are racists to saying that the entire movement is racist or driven by racist thoughts.
NO! I said that the rest of the party tolerates it because they think it threatens too many votes if they don’t. LISTEN.
Are you saying that, for example, Huckabee’s statements were driven by a “need” to appeal to that racist element?
Well, “need” is an odd word for it, but yes. Huck is purposely using “Kenya” and “Africa” and “madrassa” to paint a picture of The Evil Black Man Come To Harm My Country. No vote is worth that degradation of our politics.
March 3, 2011 at 6:36 pm
I did not say, “there’s no racists in the Tea Party”. There likely are a small number, but I know there’s probably just as many if not more in any group in our society.
What part of “specific” do you not undestand? If some racist crap in another segment of our society comes up, we can talk about it. I’m talking about THIS one NOW. Why do I talk to you people? You refuse to address the issue..instead getting defensive and accusing me of calling EVERYBODY racist. Right. There’s no problems on your side, and you’re never wrong. Forget it, I’m wasting my time. Go feed the crackers..you’re still gonna lose.
March 3, 2011 at 6:44 pm
Let’s see, you said the Tea Party are all radical libertarians who want to promote “social Darwinism” and destroy government and outlaw unions.
No, you said they’re all theocrats who want to establish a religious state.
No, they’re now mostly racists – or they have an influential racist element that everyone must bow to – who oppose Obama simply because of his race and not his politics.
Libertarians, theocrats, racists.
What’s next? They’re all phrenologists?
March 3, 2011 at 6:46 pm
Come to think of it, I’ve never heard Palin say anything like this. No “as far as I know”, no references to Africa or madrassas, nothing. She didn’t even mess with race or religion when talking about Rev. Wright and Bill Ayers. She focused entirely on what those men said, and connected Obama to that. I obviously didn’t like it, but there was nothing ethnic about any of it whatsoever.
I’m not fond of Sarah Palin, but ya gotta give her her due as a practicing Christian. Right, Pastor Huckabee..?
March 3, 2011 at 6:50 pm
Let’s see, you said the Tea Party are all radical libertarians who want to promote “social Darwinism” and destroy government and outlaw unions.
Yes, that’s all true. No, they’re not predominantly racist. In fact, my guess is there’s less of them than the scared right-wing politicians think. They are obviously pandering to them, and, in my opinion, don’t need to. My statistical analysis would be that they lose more votes than they gain with this tactic. No, those politicians aren’t racist..they’re STUPID.
March 3, 2011 at 6:50 pm
Many of those in the far-left anti-war movement were just as anti-American as they were anti-war. I don’t remember people like Joe whining that dem “leaders” weren’t loud enough in denouncing the fringe among their own movement. Actually, I remember being berated about the fact that being anti-war doesn’t mean you’re anti-American.
Yet, since Obama began running for office, any opposition to him has been blamed on “racism” by the wingnut left. Remember, the “birther movement” was started by Hillary supporters. Obama had an approval rating of 70% on inaguration day. Now, it’s a little below 50. Using Joe’s (and every MSNBC pundit’s) logic, I can only assume that it’s taken months and even years for millions of Americans to see a picture of Obama. Once they did, they decided they didn’t like him anymore because they finally found out he was black.
Joe, you’re watching too much MSNBC. It’s making you sound just a tad bit crazy. BTW, why don’t you poll tea party members and ask them who they’d rather have as POTUS: Condi Rice or Nancy Pelosi? It’s not about his skin color, it’s about his ideology. The left is way more obsessed about the color of one’s skin than any conservative I know.
March 3, 2011 at 6:56 pm
It’s not about his skin color, it’s about his ideology.</I.
As long as Mike Huckabee is babbling about his upbringing in a Kenyan madrassa, it's about his skin color. It's a giant pile of lies intended to scare whitey with the black foreigner. Obama's ideology can debated on the American soil he was born on, just like Sarah Palin does it.
March 3, 2011 at 6:58 pm
It’s making you sound just a tad bit crazy.
I do not care what I sound like. I care about my country being overrun by a party that is being overrun by a bunch of a$$holes.
March 3, 2011 at 7:00 pm
They are obviously pandering to them, and, in my opinion, don’t need to. M
Okay, they’re pandering to a small subset of a larger group when they don’t need to.
I’ll go with that. And they shouldn’t.
Fine.
But as Lonestar points out, if Clarence Thomas or Condi Rice ran for President, the vast majority of Tea Partyers would vote for them in a heartbeat.
I don’t know what the point in this is other than politicians act cravenly to the more vocal element that they’re trying to win over.
But that’s not new.
March 3, 2011 at 7:10 pm
“As long as Mike Huckabee is babbling about his upbringing in a Kenyan madrassa,”
He didn’t say anything about a “madrassa”, at least not that I heard. And, he admitted he was wrong.
When people on the fringes have a strong dislike towards a politician, they move away from reality and jump on the hate wagon. You should be well aware of this, Joe. Afterall, you think President Bush should be put in prison. I’d say that that’s a heck of a lot worse than anything I’ve seen coming out of the tea party.
March 3, 2011 at 7:12 pm
I sorta think Gov. Huckabee honestly misspoke. He claimed on whatever show he as on yesterday that, had he followed his own script as he wrote in his book, he wouldn’t have made that mistake.
Believe him or don’t, I don’t care. But note that he received considerable guff for that gaff directly from conservatives. Sure, we’re more likely to believe his claim that it was a mistake, but it still didn’t help him one iota if he wants to run and win the nomination.
Not so sure we’d vote for Clarence Thomas for president. Don’t get me wrong, his life story and commitment to the law is inspiring, but he’s not someone I’d want leading the country. Dr. Condi Rice? Against any candidate of either party, my vote is her’s to lose.
March 3, 2011 at 7:20 pm
Condi’s knows she’s much to decent of a person to run for President..which of course means she should. Biggest landslide in history. It’d be Rice against some socialist from Oregon, ’cause no real politician would bother.
LS, “madrassa” was today. Huck keeps “apologizing” by dragging up more weirdness. Is he having a seizure or something?
March 3, 2011 at 7:24 pm
I don’t know what he’s doing. I don’t follow him that closely.
March 3, 2011 at 7:24 pm
Did Mike Barnicle really say that he’d feel worse about a man losing his job than he would about a woman being stoned to death on Morning Joe?
March 3, 2011 at 7:34 pm
Did Mike Barnicle really say that he’d feel worse about a man losing his job than he would about a woman being stoned to death on Morning Joe?
I saw a Kirsten Powers tweet that referenced that. He either stays up too late, or gets up too early. Or both.
March 3, 2011 at 7:46 pm
I’ll assume for now that there’s something missing from what he’s claimed to have said. I find that very hard to believe.
March 3, 2011 at 9:15 pm
I’m listening to Spud’s friend, Andy, talk to David Shuster about NASCAR. What a strange little world I’ve stumbled into.
March 3, 2011 at 9:52 pm
Shut it, Huck.
http://thelastword.msnbc.msn.com/
March 3, 2011 at 10:22 pm
“Our Communities Were Filled With Rotary Clubs, Not Madrassas”
-Mike Huckabee
Now you’ve heard.
March 3, 2011 at 10:33 pm
I liked O’Donnell’s comment about Boy Scouts. No, Huck, most boys were not Boy Scouts. Some of us were a little busy ducking bullets in poverty-stricken inner cities, Sparky. There’s a country out there beyond Mayberry..
March 3, 2011 at 10:36 pm
More seriously, O’Reilly is hammering Rumsfeld over the Iraq War and the failure of the Administration to prepare for the “parade of horribles”, e.g., the civil war, the Sunni uprising, et cetera.
It’s why he, despite all his faults, is still the best cable news interviewer there is.
Just watched it. Good stuff. I’ve begun to appreciate O’Reilly, for all his faults. I used to think he flew off the handle and yelled at people too much but that’s mostly for show, isn’t it?
March 3, 2011 at 10:48 pm
Ugh. All this Huckabee talk is tiring. One important thing for you, Joe, to understand. To every conservative I know (which is just about everybody I know) “liberal” is a hell of a lot more scarier than “black”. I don’t give a rat’s ass what color the President is nor does anyone I know. The guy could be a freaking albino and I’d still think he was an absurdly ill-prepared, inexperienced guy who doesn’t have a clue as to what it takes to be POTUS. He’s nothing more than an American Idol-in-Chief. The fact that he’s black is about as important to me as his shoe size.
March 3, 2011 at 10:59 pm
LS, I agree that that is how most conservatives perceive him, which is one of the reasons the race-baiting to the mental minority in your party pisses me off. Their numbers don’t warrant the amount of attention they receive, and it belittles the real problems thoughtful conservatives – which is the majority – have with him.
The Tea Party is one segment of conservatism, and the dirtbag racists in it are a small part of that. I have huge problems with the Tea Party movement as a whole, but the actual racists in it aren’t worth our attention. Unfortunately, major players in your party keep talking to them. STOP TALKING TO THEM. Focus on ideological differences, and stfu about KENYA.
March 3, 2011 at 11:12 pm
Show me a candidate who hasn’t rightly or wrongly been accused of talking to the wrong crowd and I’ll show you an actor reading from a movie script. Huckabee has already proven himself to be a generally nice, fair, and caring guy. What matters is whether or not he has the ability to lead the country back in the right direction. I haven’t decided on that yet.
March 3, 2011 at 11:20 pm
And I’ll bust on any candidate who talks to “the wrong crowd”. It’s a cheap and degrading way to garner a vote. We need to be better than grabbing the lowest common denominator to score points.
I’d be less upset if it was just some tool like Newt..although I admire his intelligence enough to be bugged about him, too. But I liked Mike Huckabee. A lot. What he’s done here is depressing.
March 3, 2011 at 11:39 pm
I just saw Ed’s “take down” of Huckabee objecting to Natalie Portman having a child out of wedlock. Sorry, libs, that’s fair game. The man is a Christian, and has every right to preach Christian values, and object to examples that are shy of that mark. Just sayin.
March 3, 2011 at 11:43 pm
Ok, enough people. I’ve talked my head off today. I love everybody!
March 3, 2011 at 11:49 pm
You drinking at work again?
March 4, 2011 at 12:26 am
Those Diet Cokes add up..