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Under ‘the truth is stranger than fiction’ file:
Donald Trump will get a featured segment on F&F every Monday. At the rate ‘the Donald’ has progressed along the Obama wasn’t born here; Obama is a secret Muslim trail over the last few weeks we can expect by June that he will be telling us Obama is gay; Obama is Chinese or Obama is a visitor from another planet. this will be an easy gig for D, G & K; all they have to do is say hello and nod knowingly.
April 1, 2011 at 9:56 am
Under ‘the truth is stranger than fiction’ file:
Donald Trump will get a featured segment on F&F every Monday. At the rate ‘the Donald’ has progressed along the Obama wasn’t born here; Obama is a secret Muslim trail over the last few weeks we can expect by June that he will be telling us Obama is g*y; Obama is Chinese or Obama is a visitor from another planet. this will be an easy gig for D, G & K; all they have to do is say hello and nod knowingly.
Last night on RT America, Alyona Minkovski bodyslammed MSNBC (specifically Ed Schultz) for supporting military action in Libya. She asked, how Schultz could take President Obama at his word after he’s lied several times re: U.S. role in Libya.
Seeing as Alyona’s very liberal (she makes Rachel Maddow look conservative), I was not expecting her to go after MSNBC the way she did.
Andrea Mitchell is ok, but she sits there and brags about her stupid ‘autism’ pin. ‘Where’s yours?’ Like, I know that if I wear one, that’s really going to make a difference in someone’s life. Ugh.
Andrea Mitchell is ok, but she sits there and brags about her stupid ‘autism’ pin. ‘Where’s yours?’
I don’t think that’s entirely fair. You and I are both as “aware” of autism – and it’s Asperger’s derivative – as people get, but many are not. I didn’t see the segment, but I assume Andrea was pushing awareness, not trying to impress people.
Huh? I’m sure whoever killed these people were just sitting around their huts, playing Uno, until they heard about some pastor in Florida. Then, they put their Uno cards down and went and killed some people in retaliation.
My ‘too many levels’ consist of the idiot in Florida, the press that found the idiot in Florida to be newsworthy, and the wonderful, peace-loving members of a religion which must not be named. Them’s a whole lot of actions having consequences.
The Pastor is a idiot but he dose have a 1st amendment right to be an idiot in the US and the question is how many rights do we have to give up to make sure we don’t p@ss off a bunch Radical Muslim’s.
You don’t have to give up any rights, you just have to watch your back and carry a very big stick if you dare to offend their fake, murderous “religion”. I hope my peace-loving, liberal President bombs their asses back into the stone age they came from.
It’s called ”We have 24 hours to kill, so let’s find a vaguely political/human interest story that we can pointlessly argue about.” It’s ‘freak show’ posing as ‘news’, and don’t think that the dopey beard didn’t sell it. Yeah, it’s a free country and they should all be able to do it, but actions have consequences. Assuming that there’s any connection whatsoever, which could be total BS.
Ok, now I’m confused. The story that got all the attention ended with Idiot Pastor not doing the burning. I just realized he actually did one a few weeks ago. I certainly didn’t hear about it; how did some terrorists in Afghanistan get ahold of it?
To the Muslim idiot on Hardball who said this: “Christians acknowledge the Bible is written by man; Muslims perceive the Quran as the directly transcribed Word Of God, which may be difficult for non-Muslims to understand.”
Listen, idiot, that’s exactly how Christians perceive the Bible, and they don’t murder people who mess with it.
Unfortunately it is not beyond the realm of plausibility that a murder be committed by people of that religion over the burning of mere ink and paper. Tells me that the depth of their faith in that region of the world is little more than the thickness of a very thin page… and not at all surprising given their men are so intimidated by women that they view themselves as only worthy of virgins.
No wonder God’s covenant was with Isaac over Ishmael.
Catching up on the details of this story amends my POV a bit. Yes, the terrorist scumbags are to blame, but so is Idiot Pastor. There is no discernable good to be obtained from burning a book, and he knew the act could lead to people being killed. Their blood is on his hands, too.
Hannity and Ainsley are good for something, at least in this eminent domain-case. Ains got the Mayor to make a taped-statement that they can keep the property, and the city can work around it. Don’t know if it means anything, but it can’t hurt.
Hmmm… one destroyed the easily replaceable pages of a books while the other destroyed irreplaceable and innocent lives. The pastor may be a jacka$$ but there is no moral equivalence.
And if memory serves, the ‘pastor’ was talked-out of doing it the last time, though I don’t know on what basis. In any case, you can’t say that he didn’t know of a possible outcome. A crazy person may be legally responsible for what he does, but a sane person doesn’t provoke him.
As Americans we’re supposed to be willing to die in order to protect even the most offensive forms of speech. Destroying books is not the same as cheering others on to commit horrible acts. And from his perspective the act wasn’t senseless.
I don’t disagree with you, though. His deed was reckless and the man should be shunned. But 100% of the blame for the loss of life belongs with the killers.
Destroying books is not the same as cheering others on to commit horrible acts.
That’s a nice theoretical world you’re living in, but it doesn’t resemble reality. He absolutely knew that burning that book might piss a Muslim extremist off enough to kill somebody. It doesn’t make the perpetrator any less “100%” guilty of the crime, but it certainly doesn’t absolve the pastor of responsibility, either.
If you shout “fire” in a theater and people get trampled and die, you can’t claim you were just exercising your free speech rights with no knowledge of the potential damage following on from your little stunt.
- Shouting “fire” in a crowded theatre is the act that causes people to get trampled.
- The self-evident right of one to take an action based upon a perspective ends when it violates self-evident right to live. Again, no moral equivalence.
- If I accept that the man who burned a book shares even the slightest blame for the deaths with the ones who actually killed, I am then also acknowledging at least some justification for the killing. That is not acceptable.
This could all be a flawed premise, of course. If we didn’t know that the Pastor at Loose Cannon Church was playing with matches, then how in the world did Abdul in Whateverstan know about it? Were they following the guy on Twitter, or what? Maybe some reporter came up with a theory of why it happened, and the press ran with it. Or something along those lines. It doesn’t really change the basic argument, though.
- If I accept that the man who burned a book shares even the slightest blame for the deaths with the ones who actually killed, I am then also acknowledging at least some justification for the killing. That is not acceptable.
So you’re refusing to accept what is patently obvious because it violates an absolutist belief you hold. Everybody knows if you burn a Quran and a Crazy Muslim hears about it, Crazy Muslim may kill a guy tonight that would otherwise not have died. You can’t escape that fact.
A terrorist murderer is still 100% guilty of murder. An idiot purposely inciting violence is still guilty of inciting violence.
Words mean things and we’re all far better off not acknowledging any blame for the moron. To do otherwise tells Crazy Muslim that he’s hit a nerve and encourages this to happen again. Crazy Muslim was already going to kill and has shown ample ability to assign any opportune motive after the fact.
Watching Hannity..no matter how many times Frank Luntz says it, it won’t be true: Barack Obama is not a “great communicator”. In the area of speech, that’s all he was ever good at..speeches. Specifically the campaign short-on-details kind. He is a lousy communicator.
Yes, because otherwise you’re essentially doing the same as what we accuse the pastor of.
It’s only pretend if you truly believe that the burning of a book can result in reasonable people committing murder. If you don’t believe that, then it has to be unreasonable people taking a life… and the scum-bag pastor can’t be held accountable for the acts of the unreasonable.
Shouting “fire” is not acceptable free speech because doing so leads reasonable people to panic and trample.
If a reasonable person commits an act that has no redeeming value, yet he knows will set unreasonable people off, he’s morally accountable for baiting the loons.
It’s spin. They keep saying he’s a great communicator so if the public doesn’t like what he’s saying, they claim “in spite of his great communication skills, Americans are rejecting such-and-such.” Frank Luntz is a Republican political spinner who does polls as part of the gimmick. He’s not a real pollster.
I’m tired of the “inciting violence” message. Burning a Koran gets people killed. Drawing a cartoon of Mohammed gets people killed. Flatulence in a crowded elevator in Kabul gets people killed.
It’s on them that there are a disproportionate amount of whackos looking for an excuse to kill people. And when our media writes headlines saying “U.N. Staffers Killed In Afghanistan May Have Died Because Of Florida Pastor’s Koran Burning” that only adds to it.
We can’t bend over backwards enough to get these yahoos to stop killing people in the name of Islam.
The worst that can be said of the pastor in Florida is that he’s a disrespectful a-hole. I imagine that’s all that would be said of somebody who decided to burn the Bible.
You can kiss their butts all you want but their still gonna want to lop your head off because your an infidel.
That’s lovely, but I can hold two thoughts in my head at the same time. The Muslim extremists who kill at the drop of a Mohammed-slandering hat are hellbound m*****f****** who I’m more than happy to help get there soon, and Idiot Pastor knowingly commited an act gauranteed to get someone killed. He’s not equally culpable, but he’s culpable. He didn’t piss them off by doing something worthy like bombing the sh*t out of Libya; he’s just a book-burning moron.
He’s just a guy in Florida. The media made him famous with their sensationalism and “muslim hating” nonsense. He’s one guy out of a country of a few hundred million who burned a book. Whooptie friggin’ do. Most people don’t burn a Koran because they think it’s a shi##y thing to do. Not cuz they’re worried it’s gonna get some random person killed half way across the world.
The jackhole media in this country is more responsible than the idiot pastor. “BREAKING NEWS…some guy no one has ever heard of might burn a book”
-I can hold two thoughts in my head at the same time.-
Except that’s the same thought, and it’s centred upon fulfilling the desire to assign blame to a violent, beyond-logic act. “The world makes sense because if only the pastor hadn’t burned the book those people would still be alive.” But that’s not reality as someone was going to be killed anyway.
And to Crazy Muslim, the false blame is placed on our entire society… the “West”, not on the insignificant infidel who burned the book.
When it comes to people who don’t look like a stereotypical depiction of a tea party member, the left is always gonna play the moral equivalence game. It’s not just with Islamic extremists.
So in spite if the fact that the Afghan protests were specifically about the book burning, you’re still going to claim Jones’ stunt played no part in the killings. You’re literally living a lie, including the one that claims I assigned moral equivalence. I didn’t, the murderers are obviously guilty of murder. Jones is an accessory.
Who gives a sh!t what Jones did? He’s a nobody. It’s not like some prominent politician or world leader staged a Koran burning. I wasn’t necessarily speaking about you, Joe, as you see it more clearly than many on the left. The point is that this protest was the latest excuse. I don’t care if 100K people burned 100K Koran’s. Nobody should be killed over it and an american media outlet should blame the book burners more than the murderers.
Until moderate Muslims rise up and take action against their own, we’re going to see stuff like this. These people don’t care about the act of burning the Koran. They care about using as an excuse to kill people because they know that it strikes fears in many. Well, it doesn’t scare me and I’m not going to play the games that they want us to play. They’re 100% guilty. There are no accessories.
Good thing this teacher is not a member of the Tea Party or else the media, especially Chris Matthews, would be doing specials on conservative hate speech and death threats:
No, protesting in Afghanistan or in front of the man’s poor-excuse-for-a-church is a logical and pehaps reasonable response to his insulting behaviour. But when they take it beyond that to the point of committing atrocities, that’s entirely on them.
“If you say one more insulting thing about Sean Hannity, Joe, I’m going find a cute little kitty cat and kick its face in.” So, if that were a serious threat that I carried out after your next insult of The Devoid One, would it be right for you to be held responsible for even an itsy-bitsy portion of the blame? Of course not. And if you did accept responsibility for some strange reason, that would only serve to grant me more power.
Exactly, Al. If I knew for a fact that one more Sean insult from me would result in your senseless cat kicking, you would still be 100% guilty of the crime, but I would still know that I baited you with full awareness that you would carry out your threat.
What you guys are missing is that I KNOW the reality of the situation is unfair. People killing based on a perceived religious slight is disgusting, but they’re doing it, and until we can assure the security of non-Muslims in their vicinity, we would be wise to avoid baiting them with stupid book burnings, and stick with the much more effective tactic of bombing the sh*t out of them.
My message to Jones is: drag your ass to an actual Muslim country and burn their book there. Then YOU can deal with the “protest”.
The MSM has nothing to do with this story, btw. Jones posted the “trial and burning” on the web, and someone in Pakistan picked up on it. Cable news made arses of themselves about Crazy Pastor last year, but were not involved this time. If Jones had kept his little stunt within his congregation, we wouldn’t be having this conversation.
My POV is the logical one. Al and LS are focused on their emotional reaction to the horrible unfairness of the situation. I understand that, but I refuse to ignore the facts on the ground.
I’m freakin Pat Buchanan when it comes to nation building, ESPECIALLY in the notoriously non-rebuildable Afghanistan. I say get the bad guys and go home. Five years ago.
Heather Childers: “The President weighed in on the budget battle, FINALLY. Why did it take him SOOO LONNGG.” Of course, then she got a perfectly reasonable explanation of why a Prez is wise to stay out of a budget fray as long as possible, an answer any political science student could have given her.
Listen toots, how ’bout just asking the questions, and dropping the biased Heavy Sarcasm on a “straight” news show?
This argument is why these crazy jihadists will always have a huge advantage over us. We have to play politically correct games so as not to offend someone. Then, when someone does something offensive, we go out of our way to assign blame to the person that committed a silly act of meanness so as not to fully blame the person who actually committed murder.
We’re a bunch of pansy a$$, politically correct, people living in a land of theory. It’s impossible not to offend these people. They are offended by our very nature, which is why they have murdered thousands & thousands of people before some stupid book was burned and why they’ll continue to murder thousands & thousands of people after some stupid book was burned.
You’ve got a hard head, LS, and if you accuse me of not placing full blame on the murderers one more time, I’ll never speak to you again.
Jones purposely committed an incendiary (literally and figuratively) act, a bunch of crazies protested, and people died. They probably would have killed somebody over something else eventually, but those people died that day because some idiot said “bring it on”. Pastor Jones invited violence that he knew would occur if he burned that book, and innocent people died.
The murderers are fully responsible for their psychotic reaction, but Jones is responsible for knowingly feeding it. The truth, brother.
And he was warned off of this stunt last Sep. for just this reason: it would put people in harm’s way. It did, they’re dead. There’s a special place in hell for the murderers, but the pastor’s waltz into heaven is going to involve some severe negotiating.
“Good thing this teacher is not a member of the Tea Party ”
Yep…she’ll probably keep her job too…threatening to kill Republicans isn’t enough of a excuse to fire a Union Teacher….funny how quickly all the calls for civility after the Gifford shooting disappeared when the protest threats against Republicans by Union thugs began in Wis.
But really should we really be surprised by these double standards anymore after seeing it over and over again like by the way the Tea party was treated by the MSM in comparison on how they cover the Unions)who did everything they sad the Tea Party would do but didn’t)..
Or like the Pastor Koran Incident…where the MSM and media in general as no problem mocking Christians,Catholics and Jews but bend over(or forward with MSNBC) to avoid offending Muslims and attacking those who do..
Or how FOX News is attacked for it’s Right leading but MSNBC and the rest of the MSM isn’t for it’s leftest bent.
And so on and so on…in fact instead of being surprised by it we should only be surprised if the MSM dose positive stories about the Tea Party,Conservative Christians and FOX news and critical ones about Union thugs,Muslims and the Liberal MSM.
Sorry, Joe, I’m just tired of the whole bending over backwards so as not to offend people who are already offended just because we breathe oxygen. And, I wasn’t talking about you in particular, but the consistent blaming of others in general.
When people attempt to lay any blame towards the jackhole pastor, it’s another victory for the jihadists. There are millions of these people out there, it’s not as small a number as the automated response of “but, 99.9% of muslims are awesome”.
It’s virtually impossible to refrain from somehow offending any number of these nutjobs. Yeah, I’m sure one random guy burning a Koran is offensive. But so is drawing a cartoon of Mohammed or any number of other silly things. They don’t need an excuse to go around killing people and just because they find a convenient one to fit the moment, doesn’t mean people should lose sight of who these people are. And that’s what happens when people say this pastor is either partly responsible, an accessory, guilty or whatever. Like I said earlier, the worst that can be said of him is that he’s an inconsiderate jagoff. I’d feel the same whether he burned the Koran, the Bible, Moby Dick or The Cat in the Hat.
^ It’s interesting, but the presentation of Huckabee’s Portman comment as “out of context” is bollocks. He was accurately quoted as comparing a rich pregnant woman engaged to the father with poor single women raising children alone. It wasn’t that big a deal – mostly just silly – and wouldn’t have been a deal at all if he hadn’t already misrepresented Barack Obama’s childhood that same week.
April 1, 2011 at 9:56 am
Under ‘the truth is stranger than fiction’ file:
Donald Trump will get a featured segment on F&F every Monday. At the rate ‘the Donald’ has progressed along the Obama wasn’t born here; Obama is a secret Muslim trail over the last few weeks we can expect by June that he will be telling us Obama is gay; Obama is Chinese or Obama is a visitor from another planet. this will be an easy gig for D, G & K; all they have to do is say hello and nod knowingly.
April 1, 2011 at 9:56 am
April 1, 2011 at 9:56 am
Under ‘the truth is stranger than fiction’ file:
Donald Trump will get a featured segment on F&F every Monday. At the rate ‘the Donald’ has progressed along the Obama wasn’t born here; Obama is a secret Muslim trail over the last few weeks we can expect by June that he will be telling us Obama is g*y; Obama is Chinese or Obama is a visitor from another planet. this will be an easy gig for D, G & K; all they have to do is say hello and nod knowingly.
April 1, 2011 at 10:05 am
He’s not ‘getting’ a featured segment on F&F, he has one. It’s been on for weeks now.
April 1, 2011 at 10:26 am
Does anyone get RT America?
Last night on RT America, Alyona Minkovski bodyslammed MSNBC (specifically Ed Schultz) for supporting military action in Libya. She asked, how Schultz could take President Obama at his word after he’s lied several times re: U.S. role in Libya.
Seeing as Alyona’s very liberal (she makes Rachel Maddow look conservative), I was not expecting her to go after MSNBC the way she did.
April 1, 2011 at 10:28 am
Here’s the video segment: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbmV_iK_muM
April 1, 2011 at 10:44 am
Andrea Mitchell is ok, but she sits there and brags about her stupid ‘autism’ pin. ‘Where’s yours?’ Like, I know that if I wear one, that’s really going to make a difference in someone’s life. Ugh.
April 1, 2011 at 10:56 am
“He’s not ‘getting’ a featured segment on F&F, he has one. It’s been on for weeks now.”
^Take it up with ‘Mediaite’ Johnny I just commented on their story.
April 1, 2011 at 11:02 am
I did take it up with Mediaite, yesterday. They didn’t respond to my email.
April 1, 2011 at 11:13 am
This is just insane on too many levels.
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/u-n-staffers-killed-in-afghanistan-may-have-died-because-of-florida-pastors-koran-burning/
April 1, 2011 at 11:39 am
“I did take it up with Mediaite, yesterday. They didn’t respond to my email.”
Maybe I should have followed their lead.
April 1, 2011 at 11:41 am
“This is just insane on too many levels.”
Actions have consequences.
April 1, 2011 at 11:47 am
He should live with it for the rest of his life, if he’s mentally capable.
April 1, 2011 at 12:21 pm
Andrea Mitchell is ok, but she sits there and brags about her stupid ‘autism’ pin. ‘Where’s yours?’
I don’t think that’s entirely fair. You and I are both as “aware” of autism – and it’s Asperger’s derivative – as people get, but many are not. I didn’t see the segment, but I assume Andrea was pushing awareness, not trying to impress people.
April 1, 2011 at 12:21 pm
‘its’
My kingdom for..
April 1, 2011 at 1:15 pm
“Actions have consequences.”
Huh? I’m sure whoever killed these people were just sitting around their huts, playing Uno, until they heard about some pastor in Florida. Then, they put their Uno cards down and went and killed some people in retaliation.
April 1, 2011 at 1:26 pm
I’m with Lonestar on this one. The pastor is a moron, but those people were murdered by terrorist pigs.
April 1, 2011 at 1:26 pm
My ‘too many levels’ consist of the idiot in Florida, the press that found the idiot in Florida to be newsworthy, and the wonderful, peace-loving members of a religion which must not be named. Them’s a whole lot of actions having consequences.
April 1, 2011 at 1:31 pm
The Mediaite headline is incredibly insane. “U.N. Staffers Killed In Afghanistan May Have Died Because Of Florida Pastor’s Koran Burning”
That would be like saying “Koran burned to death in Florida may have died because of (insert Islamic related beheading/murder here).
April 1, 2011 at 2:02 pm
I’m pretty sure Obama’s wars in the middle east would have more to do with the U.N. killing than some nutjob in Florida.
Rather than trying to assign blame, how about we just condemn the killing. There is no excuse for murder.
April 1, 2011 at 2:09 pm
The Pastor is a idiot but he dose have a 1st amendment right to be an idiot in the US and the question is how many rights do we have to give up to make sure we don’t p@ss off a bunch Radical Muslim’s.
April 1, 2011 at 2:28 pm
You don’t have to give up any rights, you just have to watch your back and carry a very big stick if you dare to offend their fake, murderous “religion”. I hope my peace-loving, liberal President bombs their asses back into the stone age they came from.
April 1, 2011 at 2:38 pm
Chuck Todd prefaced the story about the idiot Quran burner by saying “..that we all probably paid too much attention to”. Ya think?
April 1, 2011 at 2:47 pm
It’s called ”We have 24 hours to kill, so let’s find a vaguely political/human interest story that we can pointlessly argue about.” It’s ‘freak show’ posing as ‘news’, and don’t think that the dopey beard didn’t sell it. Yeah, it’s a free country and they should all be able to do it, but actions have consequences. Assuming that there’s any connection whatsoever, which could be total BS.
April 1, 2011 at 2:52 pm
Ok, now I’m confused. The story that got all the attention ended with Idiot Pastor not doing the burning. I just realized he actually did one a few weeks ago. I certainly didn’t hear about it; how did some terrorists in Afghanistan get ahold of it?
April 1, 2011 at 3:01 pm
To the Muslim idiot on Hardball who said this: “Christians acknowledge the Bible is written by man; Muslims perceive the Quran as the directly transcribed Word Of God, which may be difficult for non-Muslims to understand.”
Listen, idiot, that’s exactly how Christians perceive the Bible, and they don’t murder people who mess with it.
April 1, 2011 at 3:05 pm
-Murdered For Koran Burning-
Unfortunately it is not beyond the realm of plausibility that a murder be committed by people of that religion over the burning of mere ink and paper. Tells me that the depth of their faith in that region of the world is little more than the thickness of a very thin page… and not at all surprising given their men are so intimidated by women that they view themselves as only worthy of virgins.
No wonder God’s covenant was with Isaac over Ishmael.
April 1, 2011 at 3:19 pm
Catching up on the details of this story amends my POV a bit. Yes, the terrorist scumbags are to blame, but so is Idiot Pastor. There is no discernable good to be obtained from burning a book, and he knew the act could lead to people being killed. Their blood is on his hands, too.
April 1, 2011 at 3:54 pm
I’m still not convinced that the Pastor is the reason. Wasn’t there a “burn a Koran” day? Wouldn’t that cause more outrage than one moron in Florida?
April 1, 2011 at 4:10 pm
Geez, this is a depressing Friday topic.
All better now.
April 1, 2011 at 4:10 pm
Oh great, I forgot about the embed thing. Depressed again.
April 1, 2011 at 5:42 pm
Now, let me offset that piece of garbage remi posted with a good Friday song:
April 1, 2011 at 5:48 pm
Alright children, this is how it’s done. You copy/paste the URL, then you delete the ” http:// ”. Then you pick a decent song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXmrMMYpQL4
April 1, 2011 at 5:54 pm
Aah, Jefferson Starship with the great Aynsley Dunbar on drums. That’s the stuff right there.
April 1, 2011 at 6:01 pm
@Laura: I believe I just did post a decent song.
April 1, 2011 at 6:02 pm
Geraldo is purple. Hmm.
April 1, 2011 at 6:25 pm
Geraldo is purple… because there was smoke on the water behind him.
April 1, 2011 at 6:26 pm
It wasn’t quite that deep. More of a lavender.
April 1, 2011 at 7:02 pm
Hannity and Ainsley are good for something, at least in this eminent domain-case. Ains got the Mayor to make a taped-statement that they can keep the property, and the city can work around it. Don’t know if it means anything, but it can’t hurt.
http://www.calwatchdog.com/2011/03/21/national-city-eminent-domain-on-the-ropes/
April 1, 2011 at 7:04 pm
How about this as an idea.
The families of the UN workers that were killed in Afghanistan sue Pastor Jones and his church for everything they own.
It’s a very American solution.
April 1, 2011 at 7:05 pm
Ains got the Mayor to make a taped-statement that they can keep the property, and the city can work around it.
I told you that hair has mystical powers..
April 1, 2011 at 7:06 pm
^ The rack doesn’t hurt either.
April 1, 2011 at 7:09 pm
The rack doesn’t hurt either.
Well, yeah, but I wasn’t gonna bring it up.
April 1, 2011 at 7:26 pm
This is so last month, but damn.
http://hotair.com/archives/2011/03/28/video-the-most-insane-tsunami-footage-yet/
April 1, 2011 at 7:42 pm
- tsunami -
Oh my God, that was terrifying.
April 1, 2011 at 7:56 pm
Here’s one for our resident airliner geek.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42385570/ns/travel-news/
April 1, 2011 at 8:02 pm
How about this as an idea.
Hmmm… one destroyed the easily replaceable pages of a books while the other destroyed irreplaceable and innocent lives. The pastor may be a jacka$$ but there is no moral equivalence.
April 1, 2011 at 8:09 pm
The pastor may be a jacka$$ but there is no moral equivalence.
He deliberately performed a senseless act gauranteed to incite violence. Constitutionally, he’s in the clear. Morally, he’s culpable for murder.
April 1, 2011 at 8:17 pm
And if memory serves, the ‘pastor’ was talked-out of doing it the last time, though I don’t know on what basis. In any case, you can’t say that he didn’t know of a possible outcome. A crazy person may be legally responsible for what he does, but a sane person doesn’t provoke him.
April 1, 2011 at 8:18 pm
As Americans we’re supposed to be willing to die in order to protect even the most offensive forms of speech. Destroying books is not the same as cheering others on to commit horrible acts. And from his perspective the act wasn’t senseless.
I don’t disagree with you, though. His deed was reckless and the man should be shunned. But 100% of the blame for the loss of life belongs with the killers.
April 1, 2011 at 8:27 pm
Destroying books is not the same as cheering others on to commit horrible acts.
That’s a nice theoretical world you’re living in, but it doesn’t resemble reality. He absolutely knew that burning that book might piss a Muslim extremist off enough to kill somebody. It doesn’t make the perpetrator any less “100%” guilty of the crime, but it certainly doesn’t absolve the pastor of responsibility, either.
If you shout “fire” in a theater and people get trampled and die, you can’t claim you were just exercising your free speech rights with no knowledge of the potential damage following on from your little stunt.
April 1, 2011 at 8:29 pm
And from his perspective the act wasn’t senseless.
You might want to pull that one back. The Muslim extremists would have the same perspective, as would most sociopaths. Type slower, Al.
April 1, 2011 at 8:40 pm
- Shouting “fire” in a crowded theatre is the act that causes people to get trampled.
- The self-evident right of one to take an action based upon a perspective ends when it violates self-evident right to live. Again, no moral equivalence.
- If I accept that the man who burned a book shares even the slightest blame for the deaths with the ones who actually killed, I am then also acknowledging at least some justification for the killing. That is not acceptable.
April 1, 2011 at 8:41 pm
Joe’s kingdom for…
.. violates another’s self-evident right to live.
April 1, 2011 at 8:44 pm
This could all be a flawed premise, of course. If we didn’t know that the Pastor at Loose Cannon Church was playing with matches, then how in the world did Abdul in Whateverstan know about it? Were they following the guy on Twitter, or what? Maybe some reporter came up with a theory of why it happened, and the press ran with it. Or something along those lines. It doesn’t really change the basic argument, though.
April 1, 2011 at 8:48 pm
- If I accept that the man who burned a book shares even the slightest blame for the deaths with the ones who actually killed, I am then also acknowledging at least some justification for the killing. That is not acceptable.
So you’re refusing to accept what is patently obvious because it violates an absolutist belief you hold. Everybody knows if you burn a Quran and a Crazy Muslim hears about it, Crazy Muslim may kill a guy tonight that would otherwise not have died. You can’t escape that fact.
A terrorist murderer is still 100% guilty of murder. An idiot purposely inciting violence is still guilty of inciting violence.
April 1, 2011 at 9:04 pm
-Patently obvious-
Words mean things and we’re all far better off not acknowledging any blame for the moron. To do otherwise tells Crazy Muslim that he’s hit a nerve and encourages this to happen again. Crazy Muslim was already going to kill and has shown ample ability to assign any opportune motive after the fact.
April 1, 2011 at 9:09 pm
Oh, so I should pretend the pastor didn’t incite violence. Sorry, I’m a terrible faker.
April 1, 2011 at 9:14 pm
The truly crazy thing about this guy is..he’s in church in front of God and everybody every Sunday. There’s crazy Muslims here, too..
April 1, 2011 at 9:21 pm
Watching Hannity..no matter how many times Frank Luntz says it, it won’t be true: Barack Obama is not a “great communicator”. In the area of speech, that’s all he was ever good at..speeches. Specifically the campaign short-on-details kind. He is a lousy communicator.
April 1, 2011 at 9:24 pm
I heard that and wanted to slap him.
April 1, 2011 at 9:27 pm
-pretend-
Yes, because otherwise you’re essentially doing the same as what we accuse the pastor of.
It’s only pretend if you truly believe that the burning of a book can result in reasonable people committing murder. If you don’t believe that, then it has to be unreasonable people taking a life… and the scum-bag pastor can’t be held accountable for the acts of the unreasonable.
Shouting “fire” is not acceptable free speech because doing so leads reasonable people to panic and trample.
April 1, 2011 at 10:28 pm
If a reasonable person commits an act that has no redeeming value, yet he knows will set unreasonable people off, he’s morally accountable for baiting the loons.
April 1, 2011 at 10:41 pm
I heard that and wanted to slap him.
Bless you. I thought, “Nope, Laura’s not gonna let that one go.”
April 1, 2011 at 10:43 pm
There’s ‘conventional wisdom’, and then there’s stupidity. I guess ‘Hannity’ is where wisdom goes to die.
April 1, 2011 at 10:52 pm
It’s spin. They keep saying he’s a great communicator so if the public doesn’t like what he’s saying, they claim “in spite of his great communication skills, Americans are rejecting such-and-such.” Frank Luntz is a Republican political spinner who does polls as part of the gimmick. He’s not a real pollster.
April 1, 2011 at 11:34 pm
I’m tired of the “inciting violence” message. Burning a Koran gets people killed. Drawing a cartoon of Mohammed gets people killed. Flatulence in a crowded elevator in Kabul gets people killed.
It’s on them that there are a disproportionate amount of whackos looking for an excuse to kill people. And when our media writes headlines saying “U.N. Staffers Killed In Afghanistan May Have Died Because Of Florida Pastor’s Koran Burning” that only adds to it.
We can’t bend over backwards enough to get these yahoos to stop killing people in the name of Islam.
The worst that can be said of the pastor in Florida is that he’s a disrespectful a-hole. I imagine that’s all that would be said of somebody who decided to burn the Bible.
You can kiss their butts all you want but their still gonna want to lop your head off because your an infidel.
April 1, 2011 at 11:37 pm
yes, I know the proper usage of “they’re” & “you’re”…although you might not think so judging by my last paragraph.
April 2, 2011 at 12:06 am
That’s lovely, but I can hold two thoughts in my head at the same time. The Muslim extremists who kill at the drop of a Mohammed-slandering hat are hellbound m*****f****** who I’m more than happy to help get there soon, and Idiot Pastor knowingly commited an act gauranteed to get someone killed. He’s not equally culpable, but he’s culpable. He didn’t piss them off by doing something worthy like bombing the sh*t out of Libya; he’s just a book-burning moron.
April 2, 2011 at 4:20 am
laura l Says: “Then you pick a decent song.”
Be sure and check out the backup band.
April 2, 2011 at 6:04 am
He’s just a guy in Florida. The media made him famous with their sensationalism and “muslim hating” nonsense. He’s one guy out of a country of a few hundred million who burned a book. Whooptie friggin’ do. Most people don’t burn a Koran because they think it’s a shi##y thing to do. Not cuz they’re worried it’s gonna get some random person killed half way across the world.
The jackhole media in this country is more responsible than the idiot pastor. “BREAKING NEWS…some guy no one has ever heard of might burn a book”
April 2, 2011 at 6:19 am
-I can hold two thoughts in my head at the same time.-
Except that’s the same thought, and it’s centred upon fulfilling the desire to assign blame to a violent, beyond-logic act. “The world makes sense because if only the pastor hadn’t burned the book those people would still be alive.” But that’s not reality as someone was going to be killed anyway.
And to Crazy Muslim, the false blame is placed on our entire society… the “West”, not on the insignificant infidel who burned the book.
April 2, 2011 at 6:25 am
When it comes to people who don’t look like a stereotypical depiction of a tea party member, the left is always gonna play the moral equivalence game. It’s not just with Islamic extremists.
April 2, 2011 at 8:31 am
So in spite if the fact that the Afghan protests were specifically about the book burning, you’re still going to claim Jones’ stunt played no part in the killings. You’re literally living a lie, including the one that claims I assigned moral equivalence. I didn’t, the murderers are obviously guilty of murder. Jones is an accessory.
April 2, 2011 at 8:40 am
Who gives a sh!t what Jones did? He’s a nobody. It’s not like some prominent politician or world leader staged a Koran burning. I wasn’t necessarily speaking about you, Joe, as you see it more clearly than many on the left. The point is that this protest was the latest excuse. I don’t care if 100K people burned 100K Koran’s. Nobody should be killed over it and an american media outlet should blame the book burners more than the murderers.
Until moderate Muslims rise up and take action against their own, we’re going to see stuff like this. These people don’t care about the act of burning the Koran. They care about using as an excuse to kill people because they know that it strikes fears in many. Well, it doesn’t scare me and I’m not going to play the games that they want us to play. They’re 100% guilty. There are no accessories.
April 2, 2011 at 8:49 am
Unions are nothing more than organized crime and it’s about time they get dealt a healthy dose of reality.
http://hotair.com/archives/2011/04/02/a-new-protection-racket-in-wisconsin/
April 2, 2011 at 9:56 am
Good thing this teacher is not a member of the Tea Party or else the media, especially Chris Matthews, would be doing specials on conservative hate speech and death threats:
http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2011/04/02/ap-treats-arrest-wis-woman-issuing-death-threats-legislators-local-story
April 2, 2011 at 10:44 am
-Living a lie-
No, protesting in Afghanistan or in front of the man’s poor-excuse-for-a-church is a logical and pehaps reasonable response to his insulting behaviour. But when they take it beyond that to the point of committing atrocities, that’s entirely on them.
“If you say one more insulting thing about Sean Hannity, Joe, I’m going find a cute little kitty cat and kick its face in.” So, if that were a serious threat that I carried out after your next insult of The Devoid One, would it be right for you to be held responsible for even an itsy-bitsy portion of the blame? Of course not. And if you did accept responsibility for some strange reason, that would only serve to grant me more power.
April 2, 2011 at 11:13 am
Exactly, Al. If I knew for a fact that one more Sean insult from me would result in your senseless cat kicking, you would still be 100% guilty of the crime, but I would still know that I baited you with full awareness that you would carry out your threat.
What you guys are missing is that I KNOW the reality of the situation is unfair. People killing based on a perceived religious slight is disgusting, but they’re doing it, and until we can assure the security of non-Muslims in their vicinity, we would be wise to avoid baiting them with stupid book burnings, and stick with the much more effective tactic of bombing the sh*t out of them.
My message to Jones is: drag your ass to an actual Muslim country and burn their book there. Then YOU can deal with the “protest”.
April 2, 2011 at 11:17 am
^ IMO, above, is logic vs emotion. Well said.
April 2, 2011 at 11:20 am
I was referring to Al’s post.
April 2, 2011 at 11:22 am
The MSM has nothing to do with this story, btw. Jones posted the “trial and burning” on the web, and someone in Pakistan picked up on it. Cable news made arses of themselves about Crazy Pastor last year, but were not involved this time. If Jones had kept his little stunt within his congregation, we wouldn’t be having this conversation.
Thanks, L&J.
April 2, 2011 at 11:36 am
My POV is the logical one. Al and LS are focused on their emotional reaction to the horrible unfairness of the situation. I understand that, but I refuse to ignore the facts on the ground.
April 2, 2011 at 11:51 am
I think mine is the logical one because the terrorists are trained to take advantage of western culture emotions. Baiting is not inciting, but…
My message to Jones is…
Now THAT we agree on. I also agree that the news media didn’t provoke anything.
April 2, 2011 at 12:04 pm
Can we at least agree that bombing Afghanistan back to the stone age is preferable to nation building?
April 2, 2011 at 12:13 pm
Josh, YES WE CAN!
April 2, 2011 at 12:33 pm
And I’m not even suggesting that we should bomb the hell out of Afghanistan, just that nation building is even worse.
We can kill terrorists without building more things for them to blow up.
April 2, 2011 at 12:38 pm
I’m freakin Pat Buchanan when it comes to nation building, ESPECIALLY in the notoriously non-rebuildable Afghanistan. I say get the bad guys and go home. Five years ago.
April 2, 2011 at 2:23 pm
Heather Childers: “The President weighed in on the budget battle, FINALLY. Why did it take him SOOO LONNGG.” Of course, then she got a perfectly reasonable explanation of why a Prez is wise to stay out of a budget fray as long as possible, an answer any political science student could have given her.
Listen toots, how ’bout just asking the questions, and dropping the biased Heavy Sarcasm on a “straight” news show?
April 2, 2011 at 2:49 pm
This argument is why these crazy jihadists will always have a huge advantage over us. We have to play politically correct games so as not to offend someone. Then, when someone does something offensive, we go out of our way to assign blame to the person that committed a silly act of meanness so as not to fully blame the person who actually committed murder.
We’re a bunch of pansy a$$, politically correct, people living in a land of theory. It’s impossible not to offend these people. They are offended by our very nature, which is why they have murdered thousands & thousands of people before some stupid book was burned and why they’ll continue to murder thousands & thousands of people after some stupid book was burned.
April 2, 2011 at 3:01 pm
You’ve got a hard head, LS, and if you accuse me of not placing full blame on the murderers one more time, I’ll never speak to you again.
Jones purposely committed an incendiary (literally and figuratively) act, a bunch of crazies protested, and people died. They probably would have killed somebody over something else eventually, but those people died that day because some idiot said “bring it on”. Pastor Jones invited violence that he knew would occur if he burned that book, and innocent people died.
The murderers are fully responsible for their psychotic reaction, but Jones is responsible for knowingly feeding it. The truth, brother.
April 2, 2011 at 3:48 pm
And he was warned off of this stunt last Sep. for just this reason: it would put people in harm’s way. It did, they’re dead. There’s a special place in hell for the murderers, but the pastor’s waltz into heaven is going to involve some severe negotiating.
April 2, 2011 at 3:55 pm
“Good thing this teacher is not a member of the Tea Party ”
Yep…she’ll probably keep her job too…threatening to kill Republicans isn’t enough of a excuse to fire a Union Teacher….funny how quickly all the calls for civility after the Gifford shooting disappeared when the protest threats against Republicans by Union thugs began in Wis.
But really should we really be surprised by these double standards anymore after seeing it over and over again like by the way the Tea party was treated by the MSM in comparison on how they cover the Unions)who did everything they sad the Tea Party would do but didn’t)..
Or like the Pastor Koran Incident…where the MSM and media in general as no problem mocking Christians,Catholics and Jews but bend over(or forward with MSNBC) to avoid offending Muslims and attacking those who do..
Or how FOX News is attacked for it’s Right leading but MSNBC and the rest of the MSM isn’t for it’s leftest bent.
And so on and so on…in fact instead of being surprised by it we should only be surprised if the MSM dose positive stories about the Tea Party,Conservative Christians and FOX news and critical ones about Union thugs,Muslims and the Liberal MSM.
April 2, 2011 at 7:13 pm
Sorry, Joe, I’m just tired of the whole bending over backwards so as not to offend people who are already offended just because we breathe oxygen. And, I wasn’t talking about you in particular, but the consistent blaming of others in general.
When people attempt to lay any blame towards the jackhole pastor, it’s another victory for the jihadists. There are millions of these people out there, it’s not as small a number as the automated response of “but, 99.9% of muslims are awesome”.
It’s virtually impossible to refrain from somehow offending any number of these nutjobs. Yeah, I’m sure one random guy burning a Koran is offensive. But so is drawing a cartoon of Mohammed or any number of other silly things. They don’t need an excuse to go around killing people and just because they find a convenient one to fit the moment, doesn’t mean people should lose sight of who these people are. And that’s what happens when people say this pastor is either partly responsible, an accessory, guilty or whatever. Like I said earlier, the worst that can be said of him is that he’s an inconsiderate jagoff. I’d feel the same whether he burned the Koran, the Bible, Moby Dick or The Cat in the Hat.
April 2, 2011 at 7:21 pm
- 99.9% of Muslims are awesome. -
100% of Muslims are following a violent, reprobate cult.
April 2, 2011 at 7:25 pm
Joe said “but the pastor’s waltz into heaven is going to involve some severe negotiating.” A nice way to put it. I agree.
April 3, 2011 at 8:00 am
-Waltz into heaven…-.
I s’pose I’ll be doing the butt dance into heaven
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April 3, 2011 at 11:37 am
^ I’ll bet that there’s three people who know what that means, and only one of them comments here.
April 3, 2011 at 2:33 pm
Nothing really new here, just a tiny bit interesting. I used to read Hananoki’s blog, maybe ten-years-ago.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2011-03-29/partisan-organizations-use-sound-bites-to-discredit-public-figures/full/#
April 3, 2011 at 3:01 pm
^ It’s interesting, but the presentation of Huckabee’s Portman comment as “out of context” is bollocks. He was accurately quoted as comparing a rich pregnant woman engaged to the father with poor single women raising children alone. It wasn’t that big a deal – mostly just silly – and wouldn’t have been a deal at all if he hadn’t already misrepresented Barack Obama’s childhood that same week.