There’s a part of me that wants Trump to become President, just to see what happens. But only if we can then go back in time and elect a different person after the whole world burns to the ground.
I’d also like the see him get aboard Marine One and keep his “hair” on his head. Maybe his styling secret is that he stands near a helicopter in the morning.
I’d also like to see a version of “The Apprentice” with his Cabinet. I vote Gary Busey for Secretary of State.
I should know this, but when is Beck’s last day? The two-hour Special Report, yesterday, was a nice surprise.
If they make Special Report a two-hour show, they need to add a little zing to it. It works well as a one-hour, low-key show, but as a two hour program it can’t be the least flashy program on FNC. They just need to have fancier graphics and sound effects. Some shows on FNC do too much of that, but Special Report doesn’t have enough.
The panel during the first hour was great. Paul Wolfowitz, P.J. Crowley and Michael O’Hanlon were a good group to discuss the big international issues with. I could get used to this.
Beckel and Trippi are much better when they’re talking about stuff that they know, rather than trading inanities with the Rock Em Sock Ems on the Right. I could get used to that.
Oh goody. The D is being defended by Roger Stone. What a perfectly paired..pair.
The D is being defended by Roger Stone.
Saw that, knew you would appreciate it.
I ask so little in life..
Joe, here’s what you need to know about the race on DVR.
If you like TERRIBLE racing, you’ll enjoy the first half and last part of the race. If you like crashing, you’ll like lap 250-320. If you like good, clean racing, you’ll hate this race.
I’ve never heard MRN blister a race the way they did tonight.
Anytime Kyle Busch wins, it is a bad race in my view.
My neighbors saved me from that crappy crapfest. I was eating BBQ and shouting politics with the family matriarch while Kyle was boring the nation to tears. Bright side: lousy night for Jimmie Johnson. He should’ve gone to the BBQ..
Love this guy. My sense is that he’s mentally unchanged since the age of 13.
At least he openly shows that he’s a selfish buffoon. Somehow all the other politicians hide it from us.
By the way, I’ve sent my resume into Fox News for the 5 PM slot. Working title: “Muslim Caliphate Watch with Josh Kaib and Lots of Chalkboards.” I thought they might want some consistency in the programming.
Josh is a ‘glass half-full’-kinda guy.
As long as he gets his butt whipped in Iowa, which he will, he won’t even come close to getting the nomination. The GOP has had some interesting people in the primaries over the years, but somehow managed to get normal nominees. Alan Keyes, Pat Robertson, Pat Buchanan, etc. But did any of these guys win the nomination? No. Judging the GOP field by one guy is like trashing the Black Eyed Peas because Fergie is a talentless hack. You should trash them because they all suck.
Which, in this case you could probably trash the whole field, but we’re a year and half away from the election. God will send us a candidate to defeat Obama. At least that’s what Pat Robertson told me.
I know this is random but have any of you watched “The 700 Club” before. I did. Wow, it’s like the Today Show but with God doing the weather instead of Al Roker.
Trump is done the minute Michele Bachmann criticizes him. His response won’t be pretty; Donald Trump is only recently a race-baiting moron..he’s always been a sexist pig.
– always been a sexist pig –
In a world where Rush Limbaugh makes cracks about Michelle Obama’s weight, it’s a wonder anyone notices. http://tinyurl.com/67rgcbb
With Ann Curry and Nat Morales being promoted on Today, does Tamron Hall get the 3rd hour slot over Amy Robach/Jenna Wolfe?
Memo to the morons on Fox News Watch: When the President absorbs three years of having his American-ness questioned, you can’t turn around and decide he was responsible for it in some “cynical” way you’ve fabricated in your empty heads.It was a stupid conspiracy theory, and the stupid conspiracy pushers weren’t owed a damn thing.
Well, THAT was weird. Michele Bachmann quoted a Libyan government official claiming NATO has killed 10-30,000 people. Chris Wallace almost choked.
The panel of Fox News Watch didn’t claim he was responsible for it, they merely stated the obvious: He could have had the thing released two years ago but chose not to, partly because it wasn’t the most pressing thing on his plate and partly because there was a political advantage for him in having the birthers associated with the opposition. He released it because Donald Trump was able to take the issue up a notch and make it a disadvantage for the president.
I wonder why Gov. Abercrombie told the press that the document couldn’t be found after he publicly set out on his own to put that issue to rest? I’m just guessing, but my bet is that someone in his party told him to drop it.
“He could have put it to rest” is victim-blaming. The Certificate Of Live Birth was the official public record, and there was nothing to put to rest except a stupid conspiracy theory from stupid people. And your “it was a disadvantage for the President” is revisionist pablum. Obama pulled the GOP’s asses out of the fire by caving. It was sad.
^ What planet are you living on? There’s no reason the president would release that document now if it wasn’t in his political interest to do so.
Osama Bin Ladin is dead
God, I hope so. This whole thing’s about to give me a stroke.
For God’s sake, will you listen? Obama caved for the country. The conversation was going to create a race war if it continued.
Enjoy hell, Bin Laden.
Well I guess Obama just won his second term because you know Tingles Matthews and the rest of the MSM will give him the credit even if he died of a heart attack.
With all due respect, long, this isn’t about politics. Killed by US military! HOT DAMN!
Long. I love you dearly. Can it.
A US missile up his ass. YES!
I love KT McFarland.
Great news – hope he rots in purgatory.
Not to nit-pick – but FoxNews.com has the breaking headline – “Usama Bin Landen Dead Fox News Confrims.”
I guess they were in a rush to get the news out.
Obama: “I’m going to give them the damn certificate, then I’m going to announce I killed Bin Laden.” I like that guy.
”Here, Trump, eat this..”
For those who don’t have their tv on – President Obama is going to give a live address forthwith.
Wow, 9/11 seems so long ago but this finally brings some sort of closure to that horrific day. Of course the extremists will go on, but I’m glad we snuffed him out versus letting him die someday in a cave.
“I’m going to announce I killed Bin Laden.” I like that guy.”
You forgot to add….”Because I kept the Bush policy on Afghanistan in place that led to it.”
A 10-year war to kill one guy seems a little ridiculous. Bin Laden apparently wasn’t doing much anymore, and a bomb took him out. You don’t need a war for that.
Joe – agreed. Our troops have done everything asked of them plus an unbelievable amount.
After 10 long years in that country (which will take decades to turn around) we should circle that border area where we believe that the Taliban and Al Qaeda reside and carpet bomb it. Then bring the troops home and make it clear that the next attack that originates out of Afghanistan will result in an atomic bomb dropped on Kabul. I’m not of a war hawk but enough is enough already.
The body should be embalmed and displayed in a tree-stand at the White House.
It was larger than just Bin laden and it did take a war to destroy him and his Organization that killed 3000 thousands Americans and just as many in the Middle East.
I’m am happy this has happen but I just know how Obama’s cheerleaders in the MSM will spin this to give him sole credit and not mention Bush or more importantly the actual Service Men/Women behind it.
Come to our country to knock down buildings and kill our people, then know that America will come after you and will find you even if it takes years and years, and if some of your governments have to get knocked down in the process then so be it.
Congratulations Presidents Bush and Obama, and America’s uniformed men and women.
Bush missed him, then got distracted by some silliness in another country. I’m not giving him credit for something somebody else got right. Our badass military and badass current President got it done. And Obama won’t celebrate in a frickin flight suit on an aircraft carrier..
Which makes you about as ridiculous as Mlong. Could we can the politics just once?
Fox is saying possibly shot, not a bomb. That would explain how they have a body.
Which makes you about as ridiculous as Mlong. Could we can the politics just once?
I know, I know..I should have ignored him. Sorry.
Most news outlets reports confirm OBL killed in Pakistan. CBS News reported Afghanistan.
Don’t be such a jerk, Joe. Long is right, Obama followed Bush’s lead and it’s a good thing he did. And the Iraq War is already producing the possibility of better things for the peoples of the Middle East and, for that, the world.
- Long is right -
It’s immediately and always “the MSM this” and “the MSM that”. It’s juvenile, and I’m an idiot for responding.
I’m glad he’s dead but I’m not sure how significant it is. He’s been hiding in caves for a decade and I don’t think anyone has thought of Osama Bin Laden as the scary figure he once was for a long time. At least, I haven’t. I’ve basically pictured him shuttling from cave to cave with a walker, oxygen tank & maybe a dialysis machine.
You just missed the big one Spud.
“Today” makes more sense. It wouldn’t take a week to confirm.
I can’t imagine them keeping it secret for a week.
Takes more than a few hours for dna confirmation… but he did say “today”. I think he quoted Bush, too.
This was his best speech and it was good. Now I know what took him so long getting to the podium. It was well worth the short wait.
Here comes the pre-taped obituary.
The President told Panetta to find that sucker; they found him; and the US military finished a firefight by popping Bin Laden in the head. That is BAD. ASS.
They should have captured Bin Laden alive and made him continually go through airport security for the rest of his life.
Crap – moderation
All my Bin Laden jokes are sh!t now.
Andy Card on MSNBC. Good for them.
“The President told Panetta to find that sucker; they found him; and the US military finished a firefight by popping Bin Laden in the head. That is BAD. ASS…”
Really Joe? I imagine that Bush never mentioned the CIA to look for “that sucker” when he was POTUS. Wow – 0bama was a real genius in doing so.
I am read to barf! A FReeper said that John King was obviously drunk tonight, so I switched over to CNN to see (but King is gone at this point). Anyway, Wolfie is repeating, repeating and repeating that NO ONE will EVER forget 0bama’s speech tonight ever, ever, ever!
He’s certainly earning his DNC money tonight!
Some reports are that the Special Forces who shot Osama Bin-Dead-For-Hours-Now were members of US military and others say that they were CIA. Just wanted to mention somewhere that sometimes they’re both.
These guys are the definition of “bad ass”, and it’s doubtful we’ll ever know their names.
Missy, I’m just commenting on tonight’s story. Bush would have gotten my support if the same thing happened with him. I obviously have other issues with his war decisions, but am not getting back into it tonight. I never should have mentioned it in the first place, and I feel lousy about it.
@samsteinhp Sam Stein
RT @pfeiffer44: Amazing and emotional scene in front of the WH, can hear the chanting in the building
Joe I’m not denying Obama deserves credit I’m just saying so dose Bush whose policy has been vindicated tonight because Obama opposed his policies but once in the Oval office he discovered Bush knew exactly what he was doing and didn’t change them as he said he would.
By the way isn’t funny that Nobel Peace winner Obama will now be remembered for all the people he has had killed.
I just hope Wikileaks doesn’t find the name of the Serviceman who shot Bin Laden because that will be a automatic death sentence for him and his family.
Navy Seal Team – GO NAVY!
Joe, that’s OK. It’s a great night for our country and the entire world!
And lonestar, Geraldo made a similar mistake on the air tonight, but he corrected it fairly quickly.
Good night everyone!
A minute after Norah made the mistake, an apparently unaware Sam Stein said, “Someone will type Obama instead of Osama tonight. Forgive them.”
Geraldo made a similar mistake on the air tonight
Chris Matthews will do it a dozen times tomorrow.
There going to have to tie Chrissy down tomorrow….his tingles are going to be out of control.
I think they need to wrap him in bacon before putting him in the tree-stand.
@AlOraibi: US official: Bin Laden’s body will be handled according to Islamic tradition m we are very careful
The Muslim Calliphate killed Bin Laden. Sweet.
Only US casualty was a helicopter and mission carried out successfully, anyway.
In a related story, US President Barack Obama sees to it that Jimmy Carter retains his long-held position as America’s most unsuccessfult president ever.
Yeah, Al, I thought about Carter’s failed rescue mission to get the hostages out of Iran. That was a terrible day.
“The United States is treating Osama bin Laden’s body in ‘accordance with Islamic practice,’ White House official says.”
Well, thank God for that. That should ease tensions. I was tempted to look up exactly what it means to handle the body in “accordance with Islamic practice” but then I remembered that I really don’t give a shiite.
Bacon and a crucifix. Maybe a Star of David. Just a suggestion.
So it was about an hour ago when I whined about Wolfy lauding 0bama’s speech.
So I just flipped over to CNN again, and he’s talking about 0bama’s speech once again! Knock it off already, douchebag! Give the military some credit! Thank God bin Laden will be around no more to orchestrate any attacks, and thanks to our military for gettin’ him!
Missy watches Wolf Blitzer so we don’t have to.
Back to politics for a moment…
For the #nerdprom last night, unlike most presidents who mostly made fun of themselves and their staffs, Obama saved most of his harshness for others. Now, you might think that I’m about to issue a scathing criticism of the president for that. You’d be wrong.
Seeing that side-on shot of Donald Trump almost wincing after every barb is what made the event worth watching. But reading about Trump whining about it today? Priceless.
I think it was in poor taste for 0 to go after Trump to the extent that he did. However, the “fox on his head” joke was a knee slapper!
I think it was in poor taste for T to question our President’s status as an American.
So it seems it was Guantanamo suspects that gave up the courier that lead US force to Bin Laden and that they harshly interrogated them…um now didn’t all the Libs tell us we had to shut down Gitmo and couldn’t use harsh interrogation tactics because they don’t work?
Well thank God Obama listen to Bush instead of the likes of Harry Reid.
Once again Obama deserves credit for letting the Military do what they do best but remember it because he broke his promise to his Left wing pals to change all of Bush’s policies until he found out he knew what he was doing.
But it will be fun to watch the MSNBC crew praise Obama for carrying on a Middle East policy they condemn Bush for.
He’s been buried at sea? Why would they do that when they know many will refuse to believe that he is dead?
^ Deathers. I can hardly wait..
joeremi Says: “Deathers. I can hardly wait.”
I can’t wait to hear what Trump has to say about it.
Turns out Obama was the one with “investigators on the ground”..
Very pleased about OBL. May he be spend hell being groped by a TSA agent. Hey UBL…you can forget about the 80 virgins.
On to a little cable news…Savannah Guthrie is moving to the Today show. I wonder what will happen to the Daily Rundown.
Ha, didn’t expect to hear UBL was dead when waking up this morning.
You sheep from both sides do realize Benazir Bhutto said UBL was dead prior to her assassination, right? Don’t suppose that was the reason, eh? Because it wasn’t ‘time’ to ‘find’ UBL after years and years of searching!
Which means the whole ‘sea burial’ is also a crock.
Anyway, guess that was the plan all along. The republican goes looking for UBL and a democrat finds ‘em! Only problem is, you don’t have any difference between a dem and republican in office.
The patroit act is still roaring along and kids are getting molested in airports by TSA. The wars continue for oil but claim to be looking for terrorists.
the blog sucks, my post is in moderation!
i won’t be waiting around for replies to a post that probably will never see the light of day.
what a shame!
“I wonder what will happen to the Daily Rundown.”
I imagine Chuck will carry on alone. He is certainly able to handle the show solo. It might even improve the great show it already is.
I do wonder who gets Guthrie’s WH slot?
I watched FNC for most of the coverage and thought Catherine Herridge and Jennifer Griffin were great. But I’m surprised that Mike Baker wasn’t on as a guest commentator, since the CIA was so involved in this operation.
How crazy is it that a guy was twittering about the helicopters and the noise! He just wanted some peace and quiet and ends up becoming part of the story. Who is going to get the first interview?
mlong, it’s not just MSNBC. They’re ALL falling all over themselves giving 0bama credit for this. But like you say, there’d be no victory if Gitmo was closed.
Can we just leave politics out of it for a day or so, and just savor this great news?
“Can we just leave politics out of it for a day or so”
Andrea Mitchell can’t:
“This became an issue in the campaign of 2004. John Kerry arguing that [OBL] could have been captured in Tora Bora if troops had not been moved from Afghanistan to Iraq”
Well, if Kerry did argue that, he’s a moron. And for her to repeat it, just confirms that she’s a moron. In fairness, she spews so many left-wing talking points, I’m sure it’s easy to mix them up.
HE’S STILL DEAD!! I may have just woken-up..
If Rush b|tches about this, that’s the end for me. I realize that Obama didn’t do it himself, but we sure-as-hell observed that Clinton didn’t.
Idiotic statement of the day award:
“But it will be fun to watch the MSNBC crew praise Obama for carrying on a Middle East policy they condemn Bush for.”
Nobody criticized Bush for going after OBL. They criticize him for diverting resouces from the war against al-Qaida and invading IRAQ (who did not attack us).
Why shouldn’t the Commander in Chief, who personally signed the kill papers, get credit?
As for whoever put the bullet in the son of a bitch’s head — I hope he gets a medal of honor.
boogie, we are basically commenting on the media here, and it is THEY who are bringing politics into this.
But that’s true, Laura, Clinton sure did nothing to get UBL.
The dollar is up, gold and oil are down. This is NOTHING but a good day.
Obama sayeth to The Donald: ”Here, eat this..”
“Nobody criticized Bush for going after OBL. They criticize him for diverting resouces from the war against al-Qaida and invading IRAQ (who did not attack us).” – Andy Marquis
The media criticized Bush for Gitmo and enhanced interrogation, two things which helped bring about Osama’s demise. Bravo to the Obama administration for its good work, but I hope the media acknowledges that it was Obama continuing Bush’s policies that led us to this day.
“…but I hope the media acknowledges that it was Obama continuing Bush’s policies that led us to this day…”
Carol, seriously? The media is falling all over itself in its lauding of 0bama’s “catch”. They seem to forget that 0bama ran on trashing all of Bush’s policies, but now that those very policies are what caught binLaden, they conveniently forget, as usual.
I think I should probably take the next month off from watching TV. This is getting to be too much.
The media Bush Obama blah blah blah..just hyperventilate over nothing, why don’t y’all.
I think the bigger question is … Is spud a member of Team 6?
Good call, Farris! Hmm..
“If we had the opportunity to take him alive, we would have done that,” -John Brennan-
No effing way. Nor, should they. What a nightmarish spectacle that would have been.
Thats politically correct horseshyte. There’s no way they were gonna back off and arrest that sucker.
If someone kills six pedestrians in a parking-lot, people are upset if they take him alive. No way in hell.
Spoke too soon, Laura. Dollar is back down as is the DOW.
So much for the bounce…
We have a tweet from Spud, apparently on a flight back from Pakistan. Aren’t Navy Seals trained in deep sea diving..?
“Thats politically correct horseshyte.”
True. But, they HAVE to say it. There are so many things that politicians, administrations, etc. HAVE to say that everyone knows is just b.s. Pet peeve of mine.
Also, I don’t like the burial at sea. I wouldn’t like a burial where a shrine could be made either but dumping his body so soon after he was killed just opens up too many cans of worms that the conspiracy theorists will run with. I don’t necessarily have a better option or answer so I’m basically just whining.
ARTICLE ON FOX BUSINESS NETWORK!!!
Fox Business Network Still Trying to Make Name for Itself in Cable Market
Fox Patiently Seeks Ratings and Distribution Increases
and its nice how they point out once again FBN has over 61M subscribers… yet that one girl constantly rails that they aren’t on cable systems. She can’t tell the difference between analog and digital. It’s there. Just not on analog.
Hi Star. Yawn.
Screw the conspiracists. They gave the little bastard a proper Muslim burial in an undisclosed location to prevent the 98th and 99th excuse for the idiots to attack, and I couldn’t care less who doubts it. Normal functioning Americans know the AMERICAN President killed him all the way DEAD.
The Pres. approved the order to kill him. I can’t imagine there is a rational person in this country that wouldn’t have given the go ahead. The credit goes to the people who’s names we’ll never know who worked for years & years chasing down leads and developing intelligence…some of which was prolly gathered by means which many would deem not very nice.
Will you people stop? You’re arguing the inarguable. Every time I mention Obama, someone mentions all the other people involved, as if I’m ignoring them. There’s lots of brave people who accomplished this, but at the end of the day, it’s Obama’s kill, just as it would have been Bush’s if he got him. Give it a rest.
I wonder if they dumped OBL’s body by the Japanese coast with the spent nuclear reactor??? That would definitely fry his terrorist A$$.
Regarding credit for the kill…I equate this to a winning football team. Obama as the Head Coach, Panetta as the Offensive Coordinator, & the Navy Seals Team Six as the offense who killed the miserable SOB.
At this point, I don’t care who gets the credit. As proud Americans, we should walk with our heads up, a smile on our face, & with the attitude that good triumphed over evil.
Stop? You’re the one saying the AMERICAN President killed him. So, you take a shot at birthers and credit Obama with firing the shot. I’m all for giving credit where credit is due but come on, approving an order to kill the most wanted person in the world is a little different than putting in years & years of hard work tracking down the guy.
I found this pretty interesting. Not necessarily the poll bounce & fall stuff but if you go to the bottom of the article it links to polls regarding confidence in institutions…polls regarding everything from the military to newspapers, presidency, unions, etc. Pretty interesting.
I’m always in for a shot at birthers. Bunch of goons.
^ehh, I’m over it. What about the dude that got struck by lightning twice?
For the record, it would have been just as cool in 03 or 05 or 07. The President gets the hammer when it fails (Carter in Iran, Bush in Tora Bora), and the glory when it works (Saddam, Bin Laden).
“think the bigger question is … Is spud a member of Team 6?”
Good question farris! I thought for sure Spud would have checked in by now, or would have started a new thread.
I suppose Navy Seals kicking ass just didn’t seem all that newsworthy.
I guess. I don’t know if reality is clouding the issue for me or what but I’m not as ecstatic about it as I would have been back in say, 03′. I’m glad he’s dead but I really haven’t thought much about OBL in a looong time. To me, he was already dead. His entire organization was destroyed, he was on the run & he was no longer a threat. I worry more about these pockets of crazy that want to blow up a mall or a train station. I remember back on New Years 1999 heading into 2000 and how everyone was worried that OBL was going to blow up Times Square. He was a bogeyman. I don’t think anyone has worried about him in a while. For the last 5-8 years, he’s just been that guy that releases period audio tapes. It was a great symbolic victory but I’m just not sure it really means much else at this point.
I think on a logistical level, his death probably doesn’t make much difference in the war on terror – except perhaps to accelerate an already germinating plot – but on a psychological level, it’s a BFD.
Almost 3000 people died horrible deaths; the beloved New York City skyline still has a hole in it; and the bastard responsible for it all was still out there somewhere. Americans found that deeply offensive and painful. Knowing a badass Navy Seal finally put a bullet in his brain doesn’t bring anyone back, but we can have a little more closure from that horrific day.
Next: finish the World Trade Center.
I know we’ll never get to see footage of the shooting of Bin Laden which we know exist but they should at least show him hiding behind one of his Wives using her as a human shield…that will destroy any attempt to make him out as some great Muslim hero.
Stephen Hayes and Charles Krauthammer on Special Report had astonishingly positive things to say about the President. No partisan hackery on that show today.
I agree about the psychological level. And, as Krauthammer noted yesterday, it reminds the world that America is still the strongest, most determined nation in the world.
As far as being responsible for 9/11, we captured the person most responsible for it back in 2003…KSM. Don’t get me wrong, OBL deserved every bit of what he got; actually, he prolly deserved worse. But, he wasn’t the OBL he was back at the beginning of the previous decade. So, on a revenge & retribution level, I’m excited, on a “what does this mean going forward” level, I’m just not sure it means all that much. For all intents & purposes, we destroyed him almost a decade ago.
“The Pres. approved the order to kill him. I can’t imagine there is a rational person in this country that wouldn’t have given the go ahead. ”
^This was a enormously difficult decision for the POTUS.
It may look like a slam dunk now that everyone is back home safe and sound but suppose the mission failed like the Carter one to save the hostages in 1980. You don’t think all you on the right wouldn’t be comparing him to Carter. You don’t think that didn’t run through his mind as he decided what to do.
It’s a decision that wasn’t taken lightly as it could have ended very badly for both Obama and the US.
Oh yeah. ‘Mission Accomplished’
“^This was a enormously difficult decision for the POTUS.”
It was only difficult if he cares more about politics at home than he does about killing OBL.
No, it’s a difficult decision for any CiC who cares about the lives of the team being sent in. I missile attack would have been far easier to execute with far less risk to our troops. But that decision wouldn’t have presented the opportunity for capitalising on the success.
The fight is all about the psychological effects. Face it, up to now Obama has shown himself around the world to be wimpy. This single successful decision ramped-up his status internationally by ten-fold and, by extension, the status of the USA. And it won’t go unnoticed in government meetings around the world that Obama wilfully violated Pakistan’s sovereignty… it’s a good thing.
Hayes made the comment about Obama’s previous “wimpy” reputation: That this action is a game-changer for him in a way that it wouldn’t be for someone like the President’s Bush because it’s more “expected” of them. I hadn’t thought of that.
Crap. I forgot to record Special Report. I think it’s on after Red Eye so maybe I can watch tomorrow. Really irks me when work gets in the way of watching my shows.
Hey, imagine waking up on the 10th anniversary of 9/11, knowing you’re the guy who shot Osama bin Laden.
I’m not sure I agree with this – college kids may have a “better” memory of Obama because they were younger during Bush’s presidency, and remember him as “my parent’s president” – but it’s an interesting perspective Major presented.
Or the guy to give him his proper burial… *kerplunk*
May 2, 2011 at 6:04 pm
Well, when presented with all the various scenario’s and plans of action, wouldn’t you have made the same decision? It’s not like he drew up the plans and ordered them to conduct it. He approved them. I guess I just expect this of a CIC…any CIC.
He made the correct decision. It should be noted. But, to act like he deserves extra credit points for making the best decision, the decision that I would hope every other President would make, makes it sound as if you expect so little from him.
If living Texas was the coolest thing that happened today, most college students would think Obama does that better than Pres. Bush. I’m sure union bosses, the black community & trial lawyers prolly think Obama fights the war on terror better than Bush too.
-Expect so little from him-
Didn’t think of it that way, but that’s true. Still, the president is presented with expert advice of everything that can go wrong, with many of these details specific to that specific scenario and time. I think it’s wrong to characterise it as a “no brainer” because it simply isn’t one.
Or it could just be that they’re idiots.
Just as in the rest of American society, those who tend to vote conservative are also the ones who tend to vote regularly.
Okay, maybe not a “no brainer” but either drop some bombs that will obliterate everyone & everything when he’s hiding in a house, not a cave, or send in an elite group of Navy Seals? His military commanders had to have assured him that it could be done.
He had to have known that the house was a treasure trove of intel. I don’t know, maybe I’m just not a “atta boy” kind of guy. But, I’m pretty darn sure he wouldn’t have approved of this mission if his military folks hadn’t advised him that in all likelihood, it could be carried out successfully. I mean, if they said, well it’s 50-50 & he still went with it, then he’s a genius.
“Success” also entails that few (or no) innocents have to be taken out. My guess is that 50-50 is about as good as it ever gets.
I’m guessing that Twitter-guy is glad they didn’t go with Plan B, eh?
The media keeps calling bin Laden’s house a “mansion”. It’s big, I’ll give them that, but it looks like a HUD house.
LS you are making the same arguments Rush & Beck will be making.
If had personally led the mission you’d be saying he was grandstanding. It doesn’t matter what Obama does; it’s never enough and it’s never going to be enough.
Luckily most Americans know the truth.
I didn’t hear Rush or Beck today so I don’t know if that’s accurate. I’m not out touting the fact that the CIA had been tracking OBL’s courier since before BHO was elected. I’m not touting the fact that some of the intel was learned before BHO was elected. I’m not saying that Bush is the one who deserves credit.
I just find it odd that people are bending over backwards to give credit to Obama for doing his job. He did what I think everyone of us here would do. That doesn’t make him (or us) special.
To hear some tell it, Obama rode in on a magic unicorn and gave the order to find & kill OBL. What went down yesterday was the result of years & years of hard work by people who’s names you’ll never know & who’s faces you’ll never see. He approved a plan to go in and kill OBL. Good for him. Why should we have expected less?
Also, if you’ve read my numerous posts over time, you’d know that yes, I’m a conservative but no, I don’t tend to take cheap shots at the President. I promised myself I wouldn’t treat Obama the way the left treated Bush for 8 years & I think I’ve done a pretty good job of keeping that promise. Of course, it’s not a terribly difficult promise to keep.
Since so many people (Rep. King did it on BOR tonight) keep mixing up “Obama” & “Osama”, why not just refer to them as “The President” & “Bin Laden”. Every time I see someone screw it up, I get the same “ooohhh, that wasn’t good” feeling.
Bombing the shyte outta the place would have been the “no brainer”. Boots on the ground could have been a disaster, but it was the only way to get a body out of there. I don’t think choosing that option makes Obama King Of The World, but it ain’t a no brainer. He took the baddass route, and some serious badasses got it done. USA!
^ Well said. I think that’s basically what I’ve been trying to say, more or less.
I was watching a local newscast and they misspelled Osama. So it read ‘Obama is dead’. So it’s not an American thing to get Obama and Osama mixed up. Seriously, how hard can it be not to mix them up? If people are speaking, that’s understandable but typing, it’s inexcusable. The ‘b’ and ‘s’ keys are not next to each other.
Well then, in the interest of giving credit where credit is due: I’m not convinced that Bush’s approach to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were brilliant; or that the Afghanistan war directly contributed to bin Laden’s final end; but Gitmo is another issue.
Obama obviously decided – for various reasons, including “this is what’s in my lap, and I’m not just gonna walk away without thinking it through” – not to ignore facts that may have contradicted his feelings in the campaign. There was information derived from Gitmo in a way he didn’t support, but he didn’t discount the results. And those results helped him find bin Laden.
Bottom line..Bush was right about some things, and Obama was willing to accept that, and it helped him get here. Which means – wait for it – Bush and Obama both get credit. So there. USA!
Outsider, I type like a madman when I’m mlotivated to get my thoughts out. It’s easy to hear the wrong word in your head, and hit those keys.
“Stephen Hayes and Charles Krauthammer on Special Report had astonishingly positive things to say about the President. No partisan hackery on that show today.” – joeremi
Lots of partisan hackery on The Last Word. LOD couldn’t wait to get his licks in against Bush. At least Democrat Jane Harman set LOD straight about a few things.
I’ll tell you what’s horsesh*t… baselessly claiming that the leaving open of gitmo lead us to killing Osama. That’s complete and utter BS, especially since the wing nuts here just say it and don’t want to point out the details of how exactly it helped, what was said, what information was given, etc. They just say it out of whole cloth. The only reason gitmo was left open was so the Republican party wouldn’t have a heart attack and Obama wouldn’t get beat up politically. So, all these people making these claims, please give us a source that confirms these ridiculous claims, and don’t get it from some far-right blog. As far as finding the name of the courier, they didn’t need anything or anybody from gitmo to tell them that, because it wasn’t anything useful that would actually help them to find bin Laden. They had plenty of other intelligence that lead them to bin Laden’s hide out. It’s also further proof that the claim is BS because the Obama administration never said they got help from anybody at gitmo, and nobody from the administration has confirmed it. Somebody please correct me if I’m wrong, though.
Furthermore, no credit should be given to Bush, because he never pursued a plan into Pakistan or looked for bin Laden over there. He kept thinking that SOB was in some cave somewhere hiding out, when he wasn’t. It was then-Senator Obama who laid out a plan in 2007, and during the elections, for us to go into Pakistan, carefully and responsibly rid each al-Qaeda member before reaching the mastermind that is Osama. And do you know what the Republicans and the right did? They mocked Obama… they made fun of him and threw his proposal aside, as if it didn’t mean anything. But, when he became President, he instilled that plan into the playbook, and executed it perfectly and with pure precision. He made a gutsy move, but in a responsible manner that got rid of that piece of scum. I also remember at some point leading up to the elections in 2008 when Bush had Osama cornered in the hills of Afghanistan (I believe), and he called off the mission to get him and decided not to kill his @ss for reasons unknown. Nobody knows why, but this is confirmed by a lead soldier who was involved in the execution of possibly killing Osama. There was also a time, 7 months after 9/11 (march 2002) that Bush claimed during a press conference to not “spend much time” thinking about bin Laden and that he “truly [is] not that concerned about him”. So, how does that work in the entire plan of Bush keeping us safe when he doesn’t even care about the mastermind behind 9/11? Can you imagine if Obama said anything close to that? The entire Republican party would probably have several aneurysms and freak out about how anti-American and weak Obama is, and then demand his impeachment.
So all this “interrogation worked” stuff is complete BS and unproven. The wingnuts will say it and repeat it as much as possible to try and find some possible way to give Bush credit, but don’t buy into the BS. It’s just not going to work because everybody knows the reality of what happened and who created the plan to kill Osama and lead them to the compound. It wasn’t Bush or anything he did. We all know the wing nuts like to repeat lies again and again until just one idiot believes, and they have accomplished their mission of misinforming more idiots.
“Also, if you’ve read my numerous posts over time, you’d know that yes, I’m a conservative but no, I don’t tend to take cheap shots at the President. I promised myself I wouldn’t treat Obama the way the left treated Bush for 8 years & I think I’ve done a pretty good job of keeping that promise. Of course, it’s not a terribly difficult promise to keep.”
^Gee LS I missed those posts. Care to enlighten as to a couple of times you felt the POTUS was correct and you congratulated him on being correct – without qualifiers like ” He did what I think everyone of us here would do.”
This doesn’t quite back up your numerous factually inaccurate claims. I know you want to think that Obama found OBL & pulled the trigger himself but this was years in the making and multiple Bush policies were directly responsible.
Stop being a moron.
“^Gee LS I missed those posts. Care to enlighten as to a couple of times you felt the POTUS was correct and you congratulated him on being correct ”
I’d like to congratulate him on being correct about being born in Hawaii. We can all put that behind us know.
What I said was that I don’t take cheap shots. I don’t agree with most things he done, but I try not to take cheap shots…unless Joe gets me really riled up.
Congrats to Prime Minister Harper and the Conservatives for their surprisingly large election win, and to the NDP for their gains, as well. Condolences to the Libs and Bloc Quebecois.
What I said was that I don’t take cheap shots. I don’t agree with most things he done, but I try not to take cheap shots…
“I’d like to congratulate him on being correct about being born in Hawaii. We can all put that behind us know.”
^ Gee I’m glad you don’t take cheap shots LS.
I know you want to think that Obama found OBL & pulled the trigger himself…
It was Obama’s plan to go into Pakistan and flush bin Laden out of there rather than the frivolous plans Bush had to look for him in random caves and hills that he wasn’t in for years. Bin Laden was hiding out in that compound in Pakistan for nearly 5-6 years, roughly four of those which were under Bush’s presidency, and he NEVER got him when he had several opportunities and failed.
By the way, here is an interesting link I found from Yahoo News, as well:
“In a CNN appearance, Former CIA director Michael Hayden said the detainees the administration said provided information on Osama bin Laden’s couriers were at one of the CIA’s locations that allowed enhanced interrogation techniques, not at Guantanamo Bay.”
This is coming from Bush’s former CIA Director.
…but this was years in the making and multiple Bush policies were directly responsible.
Multiple policies? What other policies, other than the supposed gitmo detainees giving out info, were involved in killing bin Laden? Please enlighten us.
LS prefers expensive shots. He’s a man of taste.
Lol… even Lonestar’s own link proves my point that it wasn’t any gitmo detainees that gave out info, it was a CIA location.
From his link to a Yahoo News article:
“Shortly after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, detainees in the CIA’s secret prison network told interrogators about an important courier with the nom de guerre Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti who was close to bin Laden.”
Again, CIA prison, not Guantanamo. Unless they call gitmo a secret prison from the CIA, LS is wrong.
“CIA secret prison network” can also mean “extraordinary rendition.” The enhanced interrogations may have taken place in other countries before the prisoners were transported to Gitmo, but so what? They aren’t holed-up in Gitmo for interrogation, they’re there because they were captured as POWs by warriors. I think both sides of the argument regarding waterboarding and other methods miss the mark.
It’s one thing to believe that such tactics should never be used, but it is foolish for those opposed to them to claim that they can’t be useful tools for gaining information when applied by skilled interrogators. We probably can’t ever know for sure whether or not these methods directly led to UBL’s demise, so it’s a dumb argument.
That same logic is equally true for those who believe that waterboarding and other methods are ok to use in special circumstances. But think about it, the situation that exists today is not anything like the one that existed at the time when President Bush approved its use. So are such tactics still ok? Are you sure? Keep in mind that our intelligence gathering capabilities in existence just after the 9/11 attack had been degraded for nearly two decades by congressional action to the point that they had become unreliable (Evidence? See Iraq WMD).
Threats and terrorist actions around the globe were escalating and those charged to defend us were running blind. It’s one thing to decide that extraordinary measures should be used when you can’t even know the extent of the threats, but our capabilities have since improved and such tactics are no longer necessary. In fact, President Bush officially ended waterboarding in ’06 and President Obama reaffirmed that in ’09.