I checked FNC a few hours ago, and closing arguments were on. A few hours later..still on. Do lawyers have any concept of boring a jury to tears?
Actually, this is the absolute perfect time for trial coverage. Leaving aside the question of why these schmucks are forced to work through the holiday, most of us should have better things to do than watch the news. If anything, we should be sympathetic to the news-trolls who have to cover it. I feel a tear..
Wow, CNN is running the war crimes trial of Mladic, former Bosnian General, at 4am Monday morning.
A man responsible for the oftentimes torturous murder of thousands of people shouts at the the judge, “You’re not allowing me to breath.” That’s one of the most disgusting displays I’ve ever witnessed.
Wow, FNC leaves up a twitter hack saying Obama was assassinated for 6 hours? Guess no one was minding the store, eh?
Assuming their account was hacked and the password changed, probably not easy to get someone at Twitter to answer a phone and take down the fraudulent messages.
it’s like the bad chyron from hell.
J$ has confirmed that over on Twitter. As soon as I get this laptop set up, all will be well.
#foxnewstwitterpassword hashtag trending on Twitter, funny stuff.
Yeah, stuff like KKK and the n-word. Such wonderfully clever wit.
RT @BorowitzReport: The Casey Anthony jury is permitted to sentence her to death by fire from Nancy Grace’s nostrils.
It’s ridiculous that it took Fox 9 hours to shut down the “prez is dead” hack. 9 hours?
The first thing I thought was “Well, just hit the ‘delete’ button. Geez..”
You’re a major broadcast organization. You can’t just walk away from a social network for the holiday and hope Norton Security catches the bad guys.
You’d think by now Twitter would have devised a means for their legitimate customers to suspend their accounts immediately without needing the new password when hacked.
EffaceBook and the rest of the social media sites should do the same.
– for the holiday –
Not unheard of. My source seems to think that he was the only one checking the Blackberry this weekend, at least the only one sober.
I don’t follow that feed (I think I have Fox News Alerts). I would’ve had a freaking heart attack if I’d woken up to that this morning.
I follow now, since I wasn’t familiar with it before. But yeah, that would’ve been something.
You can’t just walk away from a social network for the holiday and …
Is there some information out about this to make you think FNC ignored this? I’ve only seen Mediaite’s thing and assume they were trying to get Twitter to take it down. First thing a hacker would do, of course, is change the password so the account holder wouldn’t be able to undo the mischief quickly.
I don’t think it would have taken nine hours if they had some semblance of resources covering it. This looks like “keep an eye on the shop, kid..see ya Tuesday”.
I guess it depends on how long it takes to get somebody at Twitter to do something.
Competing holiday priorities. Can’t end well. As we saw.
It was a Fox News political attack on the President. Kidding!
For all I know, Joe could be right and nobody at Fox bothered to check their twitter feed. I wonder how many people have had access to that account since it started. And it could be that Twitter isn’t very good and shutting things down when this happens.
Sounds like Weinerdick shoulda stuck with his story.
I guess you could comment on them not having learned from The Halperin Incident, but apparently Fox didn’t either. I don’t think Mediaite even bothered with that one.
Finally turned the telly to FNC to see what the hoopla is about this dumb trial. Sure enough, it’s Judge Jeanine and a bunch of panel squares. My take: Prosecutors probably don’t want medical docs on murder trial juries.
Both docs on the panel appear to have concluded that the prosecution failed to prove their assertions that death was due to chloroform, that the duct tape was applied before death, or that the actions of the accused could not be explained if she was innocent.
OK, I see why people might be enthralled by the murder/mystery/legal drama aspects of a case like this. Still doesn’t adequately explain why this case should be given wall-to-wall coverage on a cable news network.
Call me crude, but if they’re going to air the blow-by-blow of a criminal trial, and everybody in the courtroom has to hear those words, then they should just simply air it as-is. It’s not as if a programme host is using that language nor is it an insignificant aspect of the story. I can say – with certitude – that no one’s ear drums will blow out from hearing such colourful metaphors.
I saw Jon Scott apologizing for it, after the fact, so maybe CNN was the only non-offender. Found it amusing after being reminded of the previous technical glitch.
The ‘delay’ needs to be operated by some old lady who still recognizes such words as being nominally frowned-upon. That particular word will probably be carved in granite for display before we’re all gone.
They have Spitzer so maybe CNN will hire Rod Blagojevich someday. He’s certain to offend.
Rod & Spitzer has a certain ring to it.
^ Ironically, the “f” word played a prominent role during both of their respective governorships and also for their subsequent legal problems.
“Blago & Spitzer In The Effin Arena”
I live in the Orlando market and have watched every day of the Casey Anthony trial.. So therefore, I’m the Johnny Dollar of Casey Anthony trial coverage.
Been watching on Fox35 (O&O) and they’ve been serving F-bombs along with the rest of ‘em.
Now, we know Broadcast isn’t suppose to allow foul language, right? Well, why is cable being compared to Broadcast again? Cable can basically do what they want. Sure, having foul language on a cable news channel isn’t very noble but they won’t be getting any fines.
Plus, its a lot more entertaining when I can rip on news anchors/reporters for doing it rather than from court coverage.
I think the ‘language’ barrier, among other things, was pretty much broken during Impeachment. It’s a great theory because if you’re conservative you can blame Clinton, and it you’re liberal you can blame Ken Starr.
Give a moments thought to the words used and thoughts conveyed on the news for whatever period of months that that lasted. The FCC didn’t intervene and the world didn’t change in any immediately notable way, but I would argue that a lot of what we see now is directly related to that. And not just in the media, not by a long-shot.
Fox News Alert!
Warning – we are going to be seeing these CONSTANTLY until the verdict is reached. When I heard the famous “gong” and ran to the TV and saw that it had to do with the trial, I thought, “wow, they’ve reached a verdict already!”.
Uh uh. The alert was just to “alert” us that the jury is in deliberation right now! As if there’s still someone alive that doesn’t know this.
The ‘Gong’ Show. That is absolutely perfect.
Yes, if anyone is fortunate enough to suffer brain-damage and forget about Casey Freaking Anthony, Fox will make sure that this is the first retrieved memory.
Verdict reached in Casey Anthony trial; 2:15pm EST.
Thank God…..but now how will Nancy Grace be able to stretch this thing out after today..guess just have to wait for another pretty White Girl to either disappear or kill her KId.
If it’s a guilty on 1st degree, the penalty phase will take another 48 hours or so to consider the death penalty, so Nancy’s good for the week.
Another OJ guess she’ll go write her book and make her Millions.
Given that I only spent 30 minutes hearing about the forensic evidence (and all of it via third-party “expert” talking heads, at that), I can’t disagree with the verdict. Yeah, I think she did it but the prosecution wasn’t able to prove it.
The state overreached on the charges without ample evidence. I mean she could’ve at least been convicted of improper disposal of a body.
That said, I’m ecstatic — let this be a lesson to have proof before going to trial. I mean, they could’ve at least got her with improper disposal of a body. But, no — they didn’t even bother charging her with it.
The system worked, TODAY.
Yikes, sorry about the redundancy but I’m excited!
Keep in mind that the system is designed to make it very difficult for the prosecution. “Not guilty” does not mean “innocent” of the charges.
The only thing I like about this verdict is that most of the talking heads were wrong.
I just hope Her family will atleast tell her to GFHS after She let Her Lawyer blame them…..They know She killed their Grandchild.
This is BS.
Andy Marquis, I’m not sure if we’ve been watching the same trial or not for 6 weeks? The state had no direct evidence and even if she’s guilty of the crime the state didn’t prove their case, period. (With the exception of her lying.)
Oh, goody. Storm knocks-out satellite just in time for the anti death penalty sermon.
Well even though She didn’t get the justice She deserved…Hopefully She’ll get Karma justice and knowing the way She lives Her life I wouldn’t be surprise if Casey ends up in more legal trouble or dead.
I wouldn’t count on seeing her out at Club Fusion again, ever. IMO, she’ll have to definitely move and maybe relocate out of the country; Because I’m positive there will be people trying to enact their own version of vigilante justice. She’d probably get stomped just going to the convenience store.
That said, I’m sure she’ll make plenty of cash off this whole thing. (Remember she wasn’t convicted of anything but lying so there is nothing wrong with that in my book.)
Finally, the same people willing to ‘jungle stomp’ her are probably the ones that believe in the ‘system’ only when it works out how they think it should.
Credit to Al for calling this last night. I hadn’t followed it much either, but caught some of the closing arguments. I thought the defense did a good job of throwing out so many theories, and questioning so much of the prosecution’s supposed evidence, that they wouldn’t convict on first degree. I did NOT think she would skate on manslaughter.
So now what? The kid disappeared, the cops weren’t called, then she wound up dead with duct tape on her mouth. And Pretty Mama is free to go. Great.
From funny or die: Casey Anthony is the white OJ except that white people aren’t excited about this verdict and OJ only probably did it.
I can’t wrap my mind around the fact that she got away with it. I can only hope that it was because she was over charged in the case and not because they thought she truly wasn’t guilty.
There really isn’t any comparison with this and Oj. No one is emotionally invested in claiming to believe that she’s innocent, because she never represented anything greater than what she is.
Well like I said all we can do is wait for Karma justice and just like OJ she won’t be able to help Herself….She’ll do something to someone that will either cause them harm or make them harm Her…..do not be surprised if She ends up in jail or dead in about 5yrs.
But no matter what happens if Her family are stupid enough to let Her back in their lives after trashing them like She or better to say Her Lawyer did…then they deserve all the suffering they’ll get from Her….no Parent can blindly let a Child live like Casey dose and not bear some responsibility for what they do…..Now I believed they may have thought She was innocent at first….but once Her Defense team targeted Them They knew She did it and the way They walked out seems to be a hopeful sign that They want to have nothing to do with Her…..but if They embrace Her then to hell with them.
The real sad thing is Casey will become rich off the death of her little Girl a death She most likely(did)caused….and Her little Girl will never get justice for Her murder.
Where was George (is that his name?) Anthony when “chloroform” was Googled on the family puter? Something about that guy triggers my antennae.
George is a liar and looks rather suspicious to me. (For instance, he lied about putting the tape on the gas can then flip flopping and also concerning his mistress.)
Matter of fact the entire family are liars except for maybe her brother Lee.
@Laura – I didn’t say I agreed with it, I just thought it was funny.
Oh, I didn’t assume that. Everyone in the media mentions OJ, because OJ was a seminal moment for a generation that experiences their ‘seminal moments’ through overwrought jury-trials.
Casey will be released on Thursday or around December.. Unless Judge Perry gives her the max of 4 years (stacked) for lying to police 4X.
Maybe she can hook up with VIVID for a flick deal? Otherwise, she’ll most likely make plenty off books and/or media appearances.
Meant to add, if Perry stacks the lying charges to the max 4 years, she’s already served over 2 of that. (She lost some ‘time’ for the check charges.)
The only way Pretty Mama gets a book deal is if she comes up with a serviceable explanation for her daughter’s death, and why she didn’t report it. She hasn’t come close to that yet.
I think the jury wasn’t convinced it was murder. The panel on Hardball explained (which I didn’t know, because I’ve avoided this thing like the plague) that there was no evidence of previous abuse, and the grandparents were always happy to take the kid when mommy wanted to party. So they can’t prove it wasn’t an accident, and there’s little evidence that Casey had a reason to feel trapped by being a mother.
Joe Remi – concerning what you said about the Hardball panel, that’s right on target.
I knew basically nothing about this case (didn’t watch initial coverage or jury selection) but started watching when the trial started roughly 6 weeks ago and have since read affidavits, other interviews, and videos.
IMO, just off the top of my head, this is what went wrong with the states’ case:
1) Imaginary motive
2) No DNA
3) No fingerprints
4) No fiber
5) No evidence of child abuse or past injuries
6) They flip flopped on the chloroform/duct tape murder weapon
7) No cause of death
8) No evidence that she had possession of chloroform, precursors, or video evidence of her purchasing said items
9) The State used two programs to ‘dump’ Firefox’s history from unallocated space. One listed the chloroform site was visited 84 times and didn’t mention Myspace at all. The other said one visit to chloroform and 84 to Myspace. Mind you they were right next to each other in the report and the ‘guilty’ website was visited right after she was on Myspace and saw the .jpg photo about it on her boyfriends page.
10) No eyewitness testimony, period
11) George Anthony flip flopped about putting the duct tape on the gas can which was a rare brand which was sold in the Ohio area and not for a long, long time. Plus, he seemed like he was hiding something.
Once again, the only charge they should’ve been able to convict her on would be improper disposal of a body.
I believe in the system and if the proof isn’t there for a conviction, she deserves to go free.
The only way Pretty Mama gets a book deal is if she comes up with a serviceable explanation for her daughter’s death, and why she didn’t report it. She hasn’t come close to that yet.
Of course that’d be ideal for her to ‘really’ tell the truth this time. However, I believe there would be a market for her life story including the drowning defense along with her time in jail and being found not guilty.
I believe she’ll make a ton from a movie deal too.
Finally, the prosecution basically said she’s guilty ‘trust us’ without ample evidence.
^ If she wants to make money off of it, now she could simply admit to it. Well, she can after sentencing for the convictions of not telling the truth.
Btw, I NEVER use smileys and am offended that is in my posting!
The prosecution also screwed up on the medical examiner’s testimony and forced Dr. Garavaglia to defend her reasoning behind ruling that the death was a homicide. While her reasoning was sound, her conclusion is not evidence and I’m sure the jury noticed the prosecution was trying to make too much of it.
Love that smiley, terence!
Unintended smiley after “No cause of death”. I think even the OJ jury would buy that.
Another ‘hole’ in the State’s case.. They tried to act like Casey was so smart and planned this murder:
Well, I don’t know about you, but if I planned a murder the following wouldn’t happen:
1) Driving around with a dead body in the trunk that is the process of decomposition
2) Not digging a hole in advance to put said body in
3) Not worrying about lining up an alibi
In all honesty, it seems like an accident or she snapped. So, it still wasn’t planned therefore not a death penalty case. Local news thinks the death penalty was used in order to pressure defense into a plea bargain.
Also it didn’t help the Prosecution failed to call the guy that found Caylee:
Ashton says Roy Krunk likes to tell tales. Then how do you know he didn’t manipulate the ‘tape’ aka murder weapon? He gave at least 3 different stories concerning the find on the stand and/or in depositions.
Also as Baez would put it ‘fantasy forensics’.. I think the defense did a good job rebutting most if not all of this stuff. The body farm guys didn’t have any protocols concerning testing like the FBI lab. But, they still sent evidence to them and except the jury to give it the same weight as using an accredited lab.
Probably my two favorite lines of the trial were:
1) Jeff Ashton (who has announced his retirement effective Thursday – have to wonder if he was pushed out.) When he said, “Did you wrap your pigs in a blanket?”
2) When Jose Baez talked about the FBI checking the velvetta wrapper for finger prints.. And he asked, “Who cut the cheese?”
Whatever really happened, a toddler is dead. And the Anthony family is a heap of dysfunctional white trash, at best. That poor baby never had a chance.
So Caylee’s death was a suicide?
You know better than that, Missy. Unlike Bill O’Reilly, who seems unable to limit his reasoning to the confines of the court proceedings, the jury had to base their decision on – and only on – the evidence presented in court. There was no “gotcha” forensics presented nor was there even a logical progression of circumstantial evidence that would lead an open-minded juror to conclude that would make for an overall “gotcha”.
WTF is wrong with Nancy Grace? She brought on Jesse Grund and his dad during the last 15 minutes or so and kept cutting both of them off. I barely got to hear an answer to anything. I guess its Nancy’s way or the highway. No wonder so many people complain about this woman!
That wench makes you root for the criminal, doesn’t she?
I watched 10 minutes of Nancy Grace after I heard about the verdict. The ‘righteous indignation” was nauseating.
Btw, I got the news via text. Two words: “Bitch skates.” Succinct, no?
Here’s what I think happened: the jury either did not know, ignored, or forgot that there is a difference between “beyond a reasonable doubt” and “beyond a shadow of a doubt”. There is almost always a “shadow of a doubt”. A jury is charged with determining guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.
That being said, I was not in the courtroom, so I can only speculate like everyone else.
That wench makes you root…
No, I don’t think so. Being a single dad with a whole bunch of daughters and having changed enough nappies to smell up an entire city, my emotional preference was clearly for that wench to be fairly convicted. “Fairly” is the operative word, however, and we aren’t supposed to convict based upon our emotional desires.
They should either have done a better job with the evidence or have prosecuted a convict-able charge.
The ‘wench’ in that particular instance was Nancy Grace. She’s probably created more defense attorneys than Perry Mason.
Haven’t really expressed an opinion on the disposition of the trial, other than thinking she’s guilty. I’ve studiously avoided having any useful knowledge of the trial itself.
- “beyond a reasonable doubt” -
They couldn’t even determine if the kid was intentionally murdered, unintentionally murdered, or got in an accident. There was quite a bit of doubt, here. The only thing we know for sure is the only thing we’ve ever known: The little girl died, and mama didn’t report it.
We don’t know how she died, and we don’t know if Casey was a cold-blooded murderer who wanted to party, or a traumatized young woman who flipped out.
-Reasonable v. Shadow-
Looks to me that the prosecution proved its case to the preponderance of evidence standard, so they’d have likely won a civil trial by jury. Takes more than that to meet the “reasonable” standard for a criminal conviction.
I need to add a colourful metaphor before the word “wench” for me to use that with Nancy Grace.
Wow, just checked facebook and all my ‘friends’ are PO’ed and think this is miscarriage of justice. Good thing I don’t lay the smack down on their dumb asses or I wouldn’t have any ‘friends’ left!
In other words, these jokers are a product of the cable/local news disease. Its when ya watch an hour or two for the ‘highlights’ and miss the big picture.
People seem to be hung up on the 31 days and duct tape. But, they don’t seem to understand Caylee was already dead.
Do I think the whole family is whacked? You betcha, but being whacked, a chronic liar, and ‘loose as a goose’ isn’t evidence that means squat in this particular case.
I’ll give Olbermann credit for covering actual news, but I refuse to stick around long enough to see how much time he spends on David Duke. That, sir, is a bridge too far.
Geez, Fox, the trial is over. The Factor is a string of panelists presented to listen to Billo yell at the jury. Does anyone over there know there’s a budget showdown going on?
Geragos took a nice shot at Nancy Grace, in an interview on CNN. John King seemed amused, or was that bemused?
Often, despite all of the diagnostic tests, lab work-ups, and clinical evaluations available, a patient’s ailment still has to be arrived at circumstantially. Such determinations are even included in the diagnostic protocols for some diseases and are every bit as valid as is having an absolute “positive” result on a lab test. Sometimes, though, even that isn’t enough and all I can do is speculate. That may mean sending the patient off to see a some other specialist or it could be restricting treatment to a very limited range of safe options… or doing nothing – “First, do no harm.”
I think that’s why the jurors decided the way they did. They could have convicted her on entirely circumstantial evidence as many juries in past murder trials have done. But much of what this prosecution presented was speculative evidence. Just as it would be negligent of me to inflict a potentially harmful treatment upon a patient based mostly on a logical hunch, we just can’t convict a person for murder based upon prosecutorial assertions of “maybe this” or “maybe that”.
It is the punishment of a convicted murderer that we owe to the victim, their family, and society. The trial of the accused, however, stands alone and the tug at our heart strings over the unfairness or brutality of the crime is irrelevant and should play no role whatsoever in determining whether guilt has been sufficiently proven.
Now I wish I had followed the trial more closely. They filed a capital case with no motive, and no proof of murder. That’s. Crazy.
I have real problems with the duct tape. That’s a kidnapping move, which I believe was Casey’s original story. Was it a blackmail that went bad? Knowing the kidnapper, and knowing that that person killed the kid, would go some ways towards explaining her bizarre responses.
I’m not saying I’m convinced she’s innocent, but there’s no way – based on what I know now – that I would have voted for conviction with the “evidence” supplied. I hope they re-open the investigation; I think there’s a fair chance a friend or family member has blood on their hands..
“They filed a capital case with no motive, and no proof of murder. That’s. Crazy.”
What’s crazy is people thinking ‘motive’ is an element of any charge that has to be proved. ‘Motive’ is often unknown and unknowable. People have been convicted, and executed, without proof of ‘motive’ because (short of having the defendant admit motive) it is speculative. The notion that you can’t convict without showing motive–or the more preposterous idea that you shouldn’t even file charges unless you can show motive–is utterly false, and has never been the law in any state.
They filed it without knowing the cause of death.
Knowing the exact cause of death is a bigger obstacle, but again it is only required to show the death was a homicide, not necessarily whether it was poison, suffocation, a bullet etc. People have been convicted of murder where the body is never even found!
But cause of death Was a problem in this case. There is circumstantial evidence, and a homicide is likely, but I can see how some might conclude that it’s not air-tight enough for a conviction.
You don’t have to legally prove motive, obviously, but the complete lack of one is always going to be a problem for a jury. My point is that they couldn’t establish one, or even that a murder had taken place. 12 decent human beings are never going to send a young woman to the chair with that much of the case missing.
The alternate juror who spoke to the media yesterday mentioned the lack of motive, btw. The judge can instruct on the law all he wants, but the jury’s still gonna need a reason to believe someone would kill their own child.