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Senator John Kerry appeared on MSNBC this morning – the “Morning Joe” show – and complained that the Tea Party was getting too much uncritical and balanced coverage in the media.
Yes, he went on MSNBC to express this view. The TPers are receiving too much uncritical press.
The man has a point..MSNBC is doing a fabulous job of treating them as a real political party. They’re fantasists who have no idea how things like “default” and “depression” work; led by an unelected moron. MSNBC is overreacting to the “liberal bias” crap from the right by treating bullsh/t as something real.
When do I get a real liberal press and a real liberal president who will stop buckling to this insanity?
Note how they’re not the least bit hesitant to report the ‘unpopularity’ of the Tea Party, but seem to overlook support of the goals thereof. Never mind, only Fox is biased.
MSNBC isn’t liberal enough. Something that’s ‘destroying the country’ is ‘bullsh|t” and “not real”. I see one ‘fantasist’ around here, and it isn’t the Tea Party.
So, Joe, you’re going to defend the proposition that MSNBC has been uncritically covering the Tea Party movement and giving it too much balanced coverage?
You really want to go with that?
Second, MSNBC has been reporting that the Tea Party has a stranglehold on the Republican Party. If they believe that, then why not give it a large amount of coverage?
You cannot say on the one hand that the TP is dominant within the GOP and then argue that they shouldn’t be given coverage.
Well, you can but it doesn’t make a lick of sense.
The problem isn’t that the press treats the Tea Party as significant; the problem is that they treat them as “not crazy”. When Sarah Palin and Michele Bachmann go on television to announce that not raising the debt ceiling won’t have any effect at all, the MSNBC daysiders shouldn’t be reporting it as “one side of the issue”. It’s not “one side”, it’s delusional fantasy thinking, and should be reported as such.
I’m fed up with the non-conservative press treating everything the conservatives serve up as “part of the dialogue”. Journalists have a duty to discern the difference between rational differences of opinion, and a psychotic revolution spearheaded by an unelected individual who doesn’t even know the difference between a tax and a subsidy. Our government is being invaded, and the press and the president are letting it happen.
Grover Norquist has been around since the eighties, so how exactly did he ‘spearhead’ the Tea Party movement? Is that the “reasoned thought” that should shape the presentation of news? The press’ job is to report the news. You’re upset that it fails to be an indoctrination-arm of your preferred form of Federal Government. It’s close enough as it is. You Lost. Suck on it.
Norquist is “spearheading” the takoever now, but thanks for playing. I don’t need a lesson on how long he’s been around in comparison to how long the Tea Party has. The movement is coalescing behind his “pledge”, and I don’t appreciate my argument being dismissed with semantics, which is what people do around here constantly.
I already explained this. The media needs to stop treating things like “nothing will happen if the debt ceiling isn’t raised” as an “opinion”. A blatant falsehood presented by someone with no knowledge of what they’re talking about is not an opinion..it’s bullsh/t, and should be labeled as such. Accurate journalism would be, “This person who is polling well with many Americans said some utter bullsh/t that made no sense today.”
I agree with Joe: I wish the Democrats had balls and would act like liberals instead of giving the TEA people everything they want.
Even when the Democrats had majorities in the House and Senate, they let the TEA Party run the show which led to a watered down stimulus, a crappy health care bill and a tax bill that kept tax cuts for the rich and raised taxes on the poor.
I’d like a liberal President and some liberals in Congress!
Anything short of Pravda and Bernie Sanders isn’t liberal enough, got it. Believe that all you want, but don’t expect to be taken seriously. At least one of you might grow up, though I won’t bet on it.
I see, becoming a conservative is “growing up”. Sorry, I grew up the day I realized what a meanspirited, selfish ideology conservatism is. Now if you’ll excuse me, I have to get out of here before that a$$hole Blue shows up to quote things I said three months ago, and yell at me because I kept answering you after saying I was going off the grid. Sick of it. Talk amongst yourselves. Bye.
They’re fantasists who have no idea how things like “default” and “depression” work
As opposed to the fantasists who have no idea how things like “proposing a budget” and “shovel ready” work. It wasn’t the Tea Party that was holding a debt ceiling deal hostage for tax hikes that, by their own admission, would harm the economy.
In the latest NY Times/CBS poll, more than 40% of Americans have a negative view of the Tea Party while about 20% have a positive one. And 18% of Americans consider themselves TP supporters.
So, outside of that “support” group, about 2% of other Americans hold the movement/cause positively. Two.
I’m not sure what Kerry et al. are complaining about. That the TP has received uncritical and favorable coverage?
Those numbers above argue otherwise.
Interesting to note that Obama has a 48/47 positive/negative rating. He’s still close to 50% with all this? Anyone who thinks it will be easy to defeat him next year is ignoring a lot of evidence.
The Tea Party “cut spending, no revenue, kiss off if you don’t like it” brinksmanship over the debt ceiling has lowered our credit rating. Thanks, idiots.
Read the language. They don’t trust the president and Congress to adequately address the debt issue. It’s pretty damn hard to “adequately address” with only spending cuts. The Tea Party has no idea what they’re doing. Most of them are in their first term, and think cutting spending without getting back some of the revenue we temporarily stopped receiving for ten years will magically fix things. They’re wrong. We’re headed for a second recession – which, for most of us, feels like the one we’re still in – and these idiots are going to finish it off by doing this “less spending, no taxes” dance every time the debt ceiling issue comes up. They’re f***ing STUPID.
It’s so nice that the left has managed to find a new scapegoat, and everyone has apparently got the memo.
The TeaParty is the cause for everything wrong everywhere in the world. *phew* I wonder who they’ll pick to blame next. It used to be Limbaugh, Bush, Cheney, FOX, and then Beck… and now it’s the TP. Where will they put blame next?
It must be nice to never take responsibility… for anything… ever.
He and Al are right on this one. The Tea Party is the new scapegoat, because you’ve run-out-the-clock on blaming Bush. It’s always someone else’s fault.
Actually, you’re all wrong. The Tea Party – as I’ve been saying for two years, so thanks for pretending I just glommed on to this – is a menace. Now it’s a menace led by an unelected lobbyist who just sunk our credit rating for the first time in history. Awesome.
Yes, the Tea Party is a bad institution. I meanm could you imagine what would happen if there were similar people on the left? People who tried to get more left-wing people elected, complained that the current Democrats weren’t left enough, and tried to encourage politicians to vote their way?!
It would be terrible! Good thing THOSE folks don’t exist. Of course, even if they did, I’m sure they wouldn’t be so self absorbed that they fail to see they’re the same thing they complain about. Especially since that would make them look so foolish time and time again.
Any group that lies to the American public about the consequences of not raising the debt ceiling doesn’t belong in office, or – in Pretty Palin’s case – on television.
The argument ignores the reality that the “pot” of revenue you wish to sap is not, relative to the deficit, big enough to p!ss in.
The call for increasing taxes is just another phony ploy by the liberals to avoid – at all costs – any popular call to stop the annual increases in federal spending. Because it only takes the mathematical skill of a 5th-grader to figure out that the trillions in added spending is unsustainable I have to assume that its proponents are not stupid; they have every intention of harming the least able among us.
Conservatives think cutting revenue is a good thing because they think it’ll force everyone to cut government spending in all areas except defense. You know, “government is the problem”.
If we hadn’t elected Dubya, the debt would be paid off by now.
If we hadn’t elected Dubya, the debt would be paid off by now.
Says the man who also claims we haven’t deficit spent enough. You do realise that a good chunk of the monies being spent on the wars is spent here, right? Not a whole lot of places for Marines to spend their pay over there. Williams International cruise missiles are made here. All those supply ships leaving from and returning to Norfolk are probably filled with goods bought here. Eh? These are not justifications to be involved in war, just self-evident facts that should be considered when directly or indirectly citing “war spending” as being ruinous while simultaneously advocating for even higher deficit spending.
Bush’s deficit spending was bad and it did begin to hurt the economy. He could have and should have vetoed at least something. But, if your argument is that Bush ruined the economy through deficit spending, how can you legitimately argue that the cure for that is more than quadrupling that spending now?
David Gregory does a very good job of leading a discussion on The Science Channel among scientists, theologians , and scientist/theologians about Dr. Stephen Hawking’s conclusion that there is no God.
August 5, 2011 at 9:44 am
Senator John Kerry appeared on MSNBC this morning – the “Morning Joe” show – and complained that the Tea Party was getting too much uncritical and balanced coverage in the media.
Yes, he went on MSNBC to express this view. The TPers are receiving too much uncritical press.
Chew on that as you sip your Masala chai today.
August 5, 2011 at 10:01 am
The man has a point..MSNBC is doing a fabulous job of treating them as a real political party. They’re fantasists who have no idea how things like “default” and “depression” work; led by an unelected moron. MSNBC is overreacting to the “liberal bias” crap from the right by treating bullsh/t as something real.
When do I get a real liberal press and a real liberal president who will stop buckling to this insanity?
August 5, 2011 at 10:02 am
Note how they’re not the least bit hesitant to report the ‘unpopularity’ of the Tea Party, but seem to overlook support of the goals thereof. Never mind, only Fox is biased.
CBS Skips How Own Poll Finds Many More Think Spending Cuts Too Small Over Too Big
http://www.mrc.org/biasalert/2011/20110805084505.aspx
August 5, 2011 at 10:09 am
MSNBC isn’t liberal enough. Something that’s ‘destroying the country’ is ‘bullsh|t” and “not real”. I see one ‘fantasist’ around here, and it isn’t the Tea Party.
August 5, 2011 at 10:11 am
So, Joe, you’re going to defend the proposition that MSNBC has been uncritically covering the Tea Party movement and giving it too much balanced coverage?
You really want to go with that?
Second, MSNBC has been reporting that the Tea Party has a stranglehold on the Republican Party. If they believe that, then why not give it a large amount of coverage?
You cannot say on the one hand that the TP is dominant within the GOP and then argue that they shouldn’t be given coverage.
Well, you can but it doesn’t make a lick of sense.
August 5, 2011 at 10:12 am
So basically Joe, your point is that the press isn’t Liberal enough, the Democrats aren’t Liberal enough, and the President isn’t Liberal enough.
And then you go on to say something about “radicals.”
And none of this is ironic to you? Wow.
August 5, 2011 at 10:18 am
“Maybe if we ignore these people, they’ll go away”. There’s your liberal fantasy world, in a happy little nutshell.
August 5, 2011 at 10:21 am
The DOW is UP! THANK YOU Grover Norquist!!
August 5, 2011 at 10:22 am
You cannot say on the one hand that the TP is dominant within the GOP and then argue that they shouldn’t be given coverage.
By “you” I don’t mean you personally. I mean the “universal you” as in a person.
August 5, 2011 at 10:27 am
Unbelievable.
So, I’m sitting at my office desk eating my sandwich when I see that a monkey has just run into the office.
And he (she? whatever) just ran out. Gone. Scampered in and ran out.
What the ……???…
August 5, 2011 at 10:29 am
About as unbelievable as having a job, I’d say.
August 5, 2011 at 10:29 am
Yes, everybody’s using the obligatory “He’s your replacement” line with each other.
I have no idea what is going on.
August 5, 2011 at 10:40 am
The problem isn’t that the press treats the Tea Party as significant; the problem is that they treat them as “not crazy”. When Sarah Palin and Michele Bachmann go on television to announce that not raising the debt ceiling won’t have any effect at all, the MSNBC daysiders shouldn’t be reporting it as “one side of the issue”. It’s not “one side”, it’s delusional fantasy thinking, and should be reported as such.
I’m fed up with the non-conservative press treating everything the conservatives serve up as “part of the dialogue”. Journalists have a duty to discern the difference between rational differences of opinion, and a psychotic revolution spearheaded by an unelected individual who doesn’t even know the difference between a tax and a subsidy. Our government is being invaded, and the press and the president are letting it happen.
August 5, 2011 at 10:51 am
Enough. Off the grid. See yas.
August 5, 2011 at 10:52 am
Grover Norquist has been around since the eighties, so how exactly did he ‘spearhead’ the Tea Party movement? Is that the “reasoned thought” that should shape the presentation of news? The press’ job is to report the news. You’re upset that it fails to be an indoctrination-arm of your preferred form of Federal Government. It’s close enough as it is. You Lost. Suck on it.
August 5, 2011 at 10:58 am
Norquist is “spearheading” the takoever now, but thanks for playing. I don’t need a lesson on how long he’s been around in comparison to how long the Tea Party has. The movement is coalescing behind his “pledge”, and I don’t appreciate my argument being dismissed with semantics, which is what people do around here constantly.
August 5, 2011 at 10:58 am
I’d have a better conversation with that monkey.
Somebody’s spouse brought it to work to show her husband. It’s a family pet.
It’s Friday and nobody does anything after noon around here.
August 5, 2011 at 11:03 am
Then I’ll dismiss it like this. Your entire argument is deranged, and you want the press to present it as “Truth”. Happy now?
August 5, 2011 at 11:29 am
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/john-kerry-bashes-the-media-on-msnbc-it-needs-to-stop-making-all-arguments-equal/
August 5, 2011 at 11:35 am
Translation: The media needs to stop giving equal time to people with whom we disagree, since we clearly can’t beat them in the arena of ideas.
August 5, 2011 at 11:47 am
I already explained this. The media needs to stop treating things like “nothing will happen if the debt ceiling isn’t raised” as an “opinion”. A blatant falsehood presented by someone with no knowledge of what they’re talking about is not an opinion..it’s bullsh/t, and should be labeled as such. Accurate journalism would be, “This person who is polling well with many Americans said some utter bullsh/t that made no sense today.”
August 5, 2011 at 12:10 pm
I agree with Joe: I wish the Democrats had balls and would act like liberals instead of giving the TEA people everything they want.
Even when the Democrats had majorities in the House and Senate, they let the TEA Party run the show which led to a watered down stimulus, a crappy health care bill and a tax bill that kept tax cuts for the rich and raised taxes on the poor.
I’d like a liberal President and some liberals in Congress!
August 5, 2011 at 12:15 pm
Laura, I watch the “liberal media” every day. MSNBC is not “liberal media”.
If yens watched RT News, you wouldn’t know what to do.
August 5, 2011 at 12:25 pm
Anything short of Pravda and Bernie Sanders isn’t liberal enough, got it. Believe that all you want, but don’t expect to be taken seriously. At least one of you might grow up, though I won’t bet on it.
August 5, 2011 at 12:31 pm
At least one of you might grow up
I see, becoming a conservative is “growing up”. Sorry, I grew up the day I realized what a meanspirited, selfish ideology conservatism is. Now if you’ll excuse me, I have to get out of here before that a$$hole Blue shows up to quote things I said three months ago, and yell at me because I kept answering you after saying I was going off the grid. Sick of it. Talk amongst yourselves. Bye.
August 5, 2011 at 12:36 pm
I grew up the day that I started thinking rather than feeling. Try it some time.
August 5, 2011 at 1:18 pm
They’re fantasists who have no idea how things like “default” and “depression” work
As opposed to the fantasists who have no idea how things like “proposing a budget” and “shovel ready” work. It wasn’t the Tea Party that was holding a debt ceiling deal hostage for tax hikes that, by their own admission, would harm the economy.
August 5, 2011 at 2:25 pm
Try it some time.
Thanks for the personal “grow up” comments. I voiced my opinion, I didn’t attack you.
August 5, 2011 at 2:30 pm
– I realized what a meanspirited, selfish ideology conservatism is.–
We clearly have different definitions of ‘attack’. You don’t get to say any damn thing you want, and not get it right back.
August 5, 2011 at 2:44 pm
That was after you told me to “grow up”, which sounded pretty damn mean to me.
August 5, 2011 at 2:52 pm
You’ve been saying that crap, and worse, for years, not just in the last five comments. But whatever. I’m mean and selfish. You win.
August 5, 2011 at 3:00 pm
Yeah, I never hear anything nasty about liberalism from you. Never mind, this place sucks.
August 5, 2011 at 3:04 pm
Yeah, but when I say it, it’s true. And frequently amusing. If I do say.
August 5, 2011 at 3:16 pm
In the latest NY Times/CBS poll, more than 40% of Americans have a negative view of the Tea Party while about 20% have a positive one. And 18% of Americans consider themselves TP supporters.
So, outside of that “support” group, about 2% of other Americans hold the movement/cause positively. Two.
I’m not sure what Kerry et al. are complaining about. That the TP has received uncritical and favorable coverage?
Those numbers above argue otherwise.
Interesting to note that Obama has a 48/47 positive/negative rating. He’s still close to 50% with all this? Anyone who thinks it will be easy to defeat him next year is ignoring a lot of evidence.
Details: CBS/NY Times Poll.
August 5, 2011 at 6:36 pm
The Tea Party “cut spending, no revenue, kiss off if you don’t like it” brinksmanship over the debt ceiling has lowered our credit rating. Thanks, idiots.
August 5, 2011 at 6:38 pm
As predictable as the sun rising in the east.
August 5, 2011 at 6:48 pm
Read the language. They don’t trust the president and Congress to adequately address the debt issue. It’s pretty damn hard to “adequately address” with only spending cuts. The Tea Party has no idea what they’re doing. Most of them are in their first term, and think cutting spending without getting back some of the revenue we temporarily stopped receiving for ten years will magically fix things. They’re wrong. We’re headed for a second recession – which, for most of us, feels like the one we’re still in – and these idiots are going to finish it off by doing this “less spending, no taxes” dance every time the debt ceiling issue comes up. They’re f***ing STUPID.
August 5, 2011 at 6:49 pm
It’s so nice that the left has managed to find a new scapegoat, and everyone has apparently got the memo.
The TeaParty is the cause for everything wrong everywhere in the world. *phew* I wonder who they’ll pick to blame next. It used to be Limbaugh, Bush, Cheney, FOX, and then Beck… and now it’s the TP. Where will they put blame next?
It must be nice to never take responsibility… for anything… ever.
August 5, 2011 at 6:52 pm
Speaking of stupid..
August 5, 2011 at 6:57 pm
He and Al are right on this one. The Tea Party is the new scapegoat, because you’ve run-out-the-clock on blaming Bush. It’s always someone else’s fault.
August 5, 2011 at 7:06 pm
Actually, you’re all wrong. The Tea Party – as I’ve been saying for two years, so thanks for pretending I just glommed on to this – is a menace. Now it’s a menace led by an unelected lobbyist who just sunk our credit rating for the first time in history. Awesome.
August 5, 2011 at 7:16 pm
Yes, the Tea Party is a bad institution. I meanm could you imagine what would happen if there were similar people on the left? People who tried to get more left-wing people elected, complained that the current Democrats weren’t left enough, and tried to encourage politicians to vote their way?!
It would be terrible! Good thing THOSE folks don’t exist. Of course, even if they did, I’m sure they wouldn’t be so self absorbed that they fail to see they’re the same thing they complain about. Especially since that would make them look so foolish time and time again.
Good thing
August 5, 2011 at 7:21 pm
Any group that lies to the American public about the consequences of not raising the debt ceiling doesn’t belong in office, or – in Pretty Palin’s case – on television.
August 5, 2011 at 7:40 pm
-cut spending, no revenue-
The argument ignores the reality that the “pot” of revenue you wish to sap is not, relative to the deficit, big enough to p!ss in.
The call for increasing taxes is just another phony ploy by the liberals to avoid – at all costs – any popular call to stop the annual increases in federal spending. Because it only takes the mathematical skill of a 5th-grader to figure out that the trillions in added spending is unsustainable I have to assume that its proponents are not stupid; they have every intention of harming the least able among us.
Liberalism and socialism are evil.
August 6, 2011 at 8:22 am
31 Special Forces killed in Kabul: http://exm.nr/nvgLI1
August 6, 2011 at 10:11 am
“Liberalism and socialism are evil.”
I say the same about the TEArrorists.
Conservatives think cutting revenue is a good thing because they think it’ll force everyone to cut government spending in all areas except defense. You know, “government is the problem”.
If we hadn’t elected Dubya, the debt would be paid off by now.
August 6, 2011 at 10:15 am
I feel bad for everyone who doesn’t get RT America or Al-Jazeera English. Information while the American networks have pundits on arguing about stuff.
August 6, 2011 at 10:41 am
If we hadn’t elected Dubya, the debt would be paid off by now.
Says the man who also claims we haven’t deficit spent enough. You do realise that a good chunk of the monies being spent on the wars is spent here, right? Not a whole lot of places for Marines to spend their pay over there. Williams International cruise missiles are made here. All those supply ships leaving from and returning to Norfolk are probably filled with goods bought here. Eh? These are not justifications to be involved in war, just self-evident facts that should be considered when directly or indirectly citing “war spending” as being ruinous while simultaneously advocating for even higher deficit spending.
Bush’s deficit spending was bad and it did begin to hurt the economy. He could have and should have vetoed at least something. But, if your argument is that Bush ruined the economy through deficit spending, how can you legitimately argue that the cure for that is more than quadrupling that spending now?
August 7, 2011 at 4:42 am
@Al: So you’re saying government spending is good?
Glad we agree on something.
Or is government spending only acceptable for the defense budget?
August 7, 2011 at 6:58 am
Reading comprehension must not be your strong point. I advocated neither in pointing out the fallacy of your blame/spending premise.
August 7, 2011 at 12:37 pm
There could not be a more perfect representation of how government works. I had to read the explanation before it made sense, but still.
http://michellemalkin.com/2011/08/07/government-logo-fail-of-the-day/
August 7, 2011 at 1:10 pm
Perhaps the logo is an innovative representation of how government bureaucracy goes about avoiding just “spinning its gears.”
August 7, 2011 at 3:08 pm
Let’s hear all the learned libs around here call her ‘unpatriotic’.
http://weaselzippers.us/2011/08/07/video-small-businesswomans-unbelievable-takedown-of-obamas-disastrous-economic-policies/
August 7, 2011 at 9:16 pm
David Gregory does a very good job of leading a discussion on The Science Channel among scientists, theologians , and scientist/theologians about Dr. Stephen Hawking’s conclusion that there is no God.
I’m impressed, anyway.