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September 12, 2011 at 5:55 pm
It’s pretty good so far and I have to say I’m a wee bit surprised. I’m enjoying the interactions between the candidates even when I don’t really like the questions.
September 12, 2011 at 6:15 pm
I am enjoying it as well; good quetstions, lively interactins, and good answers. Much better than the NBC debate; Wolf is semi-behaving, but is showing his liberal wings with some of his questions/commentary (misquoting Perry on Bernanke is one example). Otherwise, so far so good. Getting the people asking the questions is a far cry better than having liberal anchors ask them.
September 12, 2011 at 6:16 pm
Good debate; I’m enjoying it very much.
September 12, 2011 at 6:26 pm
Just tuned over and saw Wolf ask a hypothetical ‘someone chooses to pass on health insurance, falls into coma, why would you kill them?’ question.
Funny how he can think of those hypotheticals to ask of Republicans, but can’t seem to think up any ‘someone would rather hire somebody than buy their own health insurance they don’t need, Obamacare dictates otherwise. why are you killing jobs?’ hypotheticals to ask Obama and other Democrats.
September 12, 2011 at 6:59 pm
No one is questioning Bachmann when she essentially claims that Gardasil is unsafe. If you want to oppose the policy on principle, then do that. Don’t make unsupported statements, and don’t feed the anti-vaccine nuts.
September 12, 2011 at 7:03 pm
^ Damn right.
^^ For the most part these were fair questions that were fairly asked. “Fairness” does not mean that every question has to be framed from a neutral perspective.
September 12, 2011 at 7:08 pm
It makes my hair stand on end when I hear conservatives bitching about gov-required vaccines, generally speaking. What part of cancer do you not get?
September 12, 2011 at 7:28 pm
Well, I sit on that fence. There’s pros and cons to most vaccines and government mandates on these should be rare.
September 12, 2011 at 7:45 pm
I hear that, and I get the concern with mandates. There’s just a stridency in certain quarters that sets off an alarm. Something about vaccines brings out the fruits and the nuts on both ends. More damage would be done if they got their way than any potential damage from the vaccines themselves, in my utterly baseless opinion.
September 12, 2011 at 7:48 pm
This level of anti-government hysteria is insane, and it’s becoming mainstream. Bachmann doesn’t trust the government to vaccinate people, so I guess we’ll just have to pray it away. Isn’t she the one who was freaking out about the census as a way for the federales to round us up? That woman is crazy.
September 12, 2011 at 7:57 pm
Opposing the mandate is fine. Trying to justify it by smearing the product should be actionable, though I’m sure it isn’t. Issue-wise, it’s quite similar to liberals who oppose enhanced interrogation, but know that they’re in the minority, so they claim that the methods don’t work. Eh, that’s getting too much into psychology to support. Anyway..
September 12, 2011 at 8:02 pm
I love this debate opening. Bring Don Lafontaine back to life, and it would be perfect.
September 12, 2011 at 8:14 pm
I’d be curious to hear what CNN thinks they’re paying Dana Loesch for. Her “analysis” was straight from the Michele Bachmann Spin Room.
September 12, 2011 at 8:18 pm
Governments shouldn’t be vaccinating. You can argue about paying for it or making treatments available, but there’s no such thing as a perfect medication and some undesirable side-effects aren’t brought to light for a generation. Free people, hopefully with all the information they can reasonably understand, should be able to decide what’s best for themselves and their children.
September 12, 2011 at 8:20 pm
I didn’t bother with much of the analysis on CNN, but she did tweet something about the vaccine not being as big a deal as “Romneycare”, because at least there’s an opt-out for the former.
September 12, 2011 at 8:35 pm
It’s a frustrating topic for me. In theory, I agree that gvmt shouldn’t require it. In practice, schools are giant petrie-dishes as it is, even with vaccines.
I don’t know a damn thing about Gardasil, I just have a nagging distrust of people with a knee-jerk reaction to it. Take it for what it’s worth.
September 12, 2011 at 8:41 pm
I just read a tweet quoting Bachmann telling Greta that Gardasil caused someone’s kid to become “mentally retarded”. I don’t suppose her problem with the drug has anything to do with it preventing STDs in young women who, golly, shouldn’t be having sex anyway, right? Oh no, she can’t get away with that statement, so she plays the Jenny McCarthy card.
I can’t believe this level of delusion and stupidity is a viable candidate for President.
September 12, 2011 at 8:49 pm
All I saw tonight was follow-up, I was at dinner with my daughter during the debate. So…did CNN trot out Don Lemon for “the g@y question”..?
September 12, 2011 at 8:50 pm
How dare you say “trot”? H0mophobe.
September 12, 2011 at 9:21 pm
My guess – just a guess so yours is as good as mine – is that it was a mental degradation related to a blood clot, as I know there’s been a small number of those reported for the two HPV vaccines. Don’t know if these reports have since been med-confirmed but, either way, these things happen.
I guess if it’s legitimate for an elected official to advocate laws requiring the use of newly-released drugs and cite their benefits, it is equally ok for them to cite reported problems with those same drugs. I don’t buy that, “She’s not a physician so what does she know?” line of reasoning. I am a physician and absolutely am biased – I tell my girls, “Shut up and take the damn shots.”
September 12, 2011 at 9:31 pm
I didn’t say she didn’t know, I said she’s BSing. Any idiot knows what her problems with the vaccine are, and “mental retardation” is pretty far down that list.
September 12, 2011 at 9:42 pm
This was the best debate so far. A few little things here and there I could criticise, but perfection is neither possible nor desired so Blitzer did a good job.
September 13, 2011 at 1:28 am
@Laura: I suspect there may be a post faulting CNN for not “correcting” Bachmann on another blog in the AM, so please forgive me if I end-up repeating myself in the future, but…
Wolf Blitzer didn’t have any facts about Gardasil in his brain and to paint a full picture via Google would take some work. About the only thing CNN could have said with any authority is that the FDA considers the drug safe, which should be obvious because it’s allowed to be sold.
Anything else would either be a recitation of statistics and a trust that all of the relevant, non-biased statistics could be quickly found, or a declarative statement that CNN vouches for someone else’s product, one in which they have done no original research.
If I were CNN, I would have also let it go. There’s tons of things said in a debate which are not always true, but it’s the perception of the candidate. Just like whether Paul’s taxes have gone up under Perry or Romneycare only dealt with the uninsured, Bachmann’s statement about Garadasil can and should be fact-checked another day.
September 13, 2011 at 1:36 am
CNN did fact-check Perry’s “no jobs as a result of the stimulus” claim. Any idiot knows that statement is practically statistically impossible, but John Wayne trots it out to cheers anyway.
September 13, 2011 at 5:30 am
“CNN did fact-check Perry’s “no jobs as a result of the stimulus” claim. Any idiot knows that statement is practically statistically impossible, but John Wayne trots it out to cheers anyway.”
^That’s part of Perry’s fact free stump speech and deserved a follow-up by Blitzer. When a candidate says something that is so obviously and stupidly wrong; and easily provably so; it is up to the moderator; or one of the other candidates, to ask for proof.
Patti Davis made an interesting point on The Last Word when she noted that Reagan would have been appalled at the audience cheering Perry’s off hand lack of concern about executing over two hundred people. Her story about how her father was very distressed and upset (he prayed with a preacher while the execution was occurring) at his having to make this life and death decision.
It showed me these candidates have little understanding of what Reagan was really all about.
September 13, 2011 at 5:48 am
Geez, what do you guys expect candidates to be asked?
“What’s your favorite character on Captain Kangaroo?”
“Is President Obama a horrible human being?”
Seems like y’all think we should give all Republican candidates a pass on their whackadoodle statements, record and everything.
September 13, 2011 at 8:16 am
Yes, a much better speech-point would be that we spent almost a trillion dollars and created, at most, a couple million jobs. Do the math.
September 13, 2011 at 8:46 am
I like this speech point better: The stimulus bill created more jobs than Bush did in eight years.
I can play talking point politics too
September 13, 2011 at 8:48 am
If you actually knew anything about the job-creation during the Bush administration, that might actually mean something.
September 13, 2011 at 8:50 am
Actually.
September 13, 2011 at 8:53 am
Note that it’s not “Highest since Bush was in office”.
http://twitter.com/#!/NewsHour
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WASHINGTON (AP) — US poverty rate rises to 15.1 percent, highest since 1983
September 13, 2011 at 9:16 am
Did they compare the unemployment rate at the time of the stimulus’s signing to today? No? Then their “fact checking” is useless.
More in-depth fact-checking of CNN’s/AP’s “fact-checking” here.
September 13, 2011 at 9:30 am
HA!
Flashback 2007: Tim Russert and Chris Matthews Agree Social Security Is ‘A Bad Ponzi Scheme’
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/09/13/flashback-2007-tim-russert-and-chris-matthews-agree-social-security-b