David Frum vs. FNC…

Buried in a New Yorker article, David Frum says he’s been blackballed from FNC…

Back in 2009, I wrote a piece for Newsweek arguing that Republicans would regret conceding so much power to Rush Limbaugh. Until that point, I’d been a frequent guest on Fox News, but thenceforward some kind of fatwa was laid down upon me. Over the next few months, I’d occasionally receive morning calls from young TV bookers asking if I was available to appear that day. For sport, I’d always answer, “I’m available—but does your senior producer know you’ve called me?” An hour later, I’d receive an embarrassed second call: “We’ve decided to go in a different direction.”

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41 Responses to “David Frum vs. FNC…”

  1. Alright, I have to say it. The Jonathan Chait article that follows is much better, from my bent perspective. The Clinton revisionism vs reality is worthwhile on it’s own. Yes, dear children, you hated him too.

  2. Sorry, I never hated Clinton. I wasn’t always thrilled with the triangulation, and I wanted to kill him for sinking his second term because he had to fight the Lewinsky thing, but I thought he was a pretty good President then, and still think so now. Hillary would’ve been good, too. Still might.

  3. Hey you two. You’re usurping this thread! Where on earth did you get THAT idea from?

    Anyway, David Frum, like David Brooks, are conservatives as much as is Joe Scarborough. IOW, they are LIBS! So why would anyone want these people on to present a conservative POV. It ain’t gonna happen – all they do is trash conservatism.

  4. Yeah Missy!

  5. I have to say I’m mostly pleased FNC has banned Frum. It just means he’s on CNN and MSNBC more and for me that’s a good thing. Dick Morris is a much more FNC type pundit. Raw meat all the time.

  6. lonestar77 Says:

    This story sounds too absurd to be true. FNC blackballed Frum because he said something bad about Limbaugh? Yeah, sure. Maybe he no longer appears because he just Carries no value. I don’t care what he has to say and I doubt others do either

  7. Maybe it’s just that he’s on CNN and MSNBC too much, and FNC likes their talents to stay more or less exclusive.

    Whatever. It sounds like he was looking for a fight with his, “Does your senior producer…” line. And if you were really interested in getting back on FNC, this probably isn’t the best way to go about it.

  8. Frum is a pretty nasty piece of work you will find if you follow his Twiiter feed. He decided after his speech-writing gig was over that he could stand out and make a buck by being a Republican who scorns other Republicans. FNC was wise to cede Benedict Arnold to the BBC.

  9. It’s not necessarily probative of anything, but it’s an interesting bit of trivia: Frum’s wife is an editor for Huffington Post.

  10. How many times are Republicans like Scarborough and Frum going to have to warn the party they’re on a suicide mission demographically before people stop calling them RINOs? As far as I know, ‘conservative’ is an ideology, not a fan club. If these people have non-conservative views, fine. If the only bust on them is they think the GOP has gone bonkers, well…

  11. @ Joe

    Tell it to Evan Bayh, Joe Lieberman, and Zell Miller.

  12. Frum can do his “conservative that liberals like/If only they’d listen to me!”-act just about any other place he wants. Poor dear doesn’t get to do it on Fox. I’m sure he’s proud of it.

  13. This story sounds too absurd to be true. FNC blackballed Frum because he said something bad about Limbaugh? Yeah, sure.

    No it doesn’t sound absurd. Remember FNC essentially blackballed Colonel…whatshisname…(the bald guy with the grey goatee who I believe is dead now) when he started taking a stance on the air against going to war in the runup to the Iraq war. He was an FNC regular right up until that point. So it’s not absurd to think that FNC would drop someone else like Frum because he started saying something that runs against the grain.

  14. – graybeard —

    I liked old whatshisname. That one sucks.

  15. “Remember FNC essentially blackballed Colonel…whatshisname…(the bald guy with the grey goatee who I believe is dead now) when he started taking a stance on the air against going to war in the runup to the Iraq war. He was an FNC regular right up until that point.”

    Wow, this is fascinating. The only bald guy with a goatee I know of is Col Bill Cowan. He was never let go by FNC. He was a military contributor during the run-up to the war, the war itself, and after. In fact he’s STILL an FNC military contributor and still appears on FNC.

    Cowan had a run in with a Pentagon program for analysts and eventually said he’d had enuff of the ‘twisted version of reality’ that they were being fed, and said so on FNC. He was promptly fired from the program. But he never left FNC.

    Note that in 2008 Editor and Publisher claimed that Cowan was fired from FNC. That’s false. I twice wrote to Greg Mitchell, pointing out a NY Times article that made it clear that Cowan was fired from the Pentagon’s program, not from FNC. I also cited chapter and verse documenting Cowan’s continued appearances on FNC and his continuing status there as a contributor. Mr Mitchell never acknowledged my emails, let alone respond to them. And of course the E&P article was never corrected.

    I believe Greg Mitchell is now with Media Matters. Shocker, huh?

  16. I didn’t say he got dropped. I said he got “essentially blackballed”.

    But I may have my FNC analysts mixed up. The one I’m thinking of I believe is dead…or nearly…he has some sort of condition.

  17. It was David Hackworth I was thinking of. Not Cowan.

  18. Well, you said gray goatee and bald, and that’s Cowan. Hack was definitely against the war in the run-up, but he was still going strong on FNC after the war began. He died in 2005 and I’m not sure at what point he parted company from Fox.

  19. Yeah…I goofed it up on the physical description.

    But you need to get off this complete separation between FNC and Hack thing. Because it didn’t happen and I didn’t say it happened. I said he got blackballed during the run up to the war and during the war. Prior to that he was on FNC all the time. But once the run up started and Hack took his position against the War, his appearances tailed off dramatically. I saw him on FNC on and off after that but probably more off than on. And then of course he died a couple of years later.

  20. So it’s not really analogous with Frum, who claims he was in effect banned.

  21. “Banned’ vs “we’ve decided to go in a different direction” on a number of occasions. It’s the same thing only with banned you tell the guest (and bookers) he’s history and with the other they have to figure it out for themselves.

  22. So it’s not really analogous with Frum, who claims he was in effect banned.

    It is analogous to Frum in as much as a given position he took changed his status at FNC. The end results may be different but the way things unfolded share some commonality.

  23. Wiki says he died from bladder cancer in 2005. The Iraq War began (officially as it gets) in 2003.

    Is it possible that he wasn’t “blackballed” or “declined,” but rather was unable to make television appearances due to his illness?

  24. “It is analogous to Frum in as much as a given position he took changed his status at FNC.”

    So claims Frum. He’s hardly an unbiased, disinterested analyst of what happened.

  25. “So claims Frum. He’s hardly an unbiased, disinterested analyst of what happened.”

    So your saying Frum is lying about what happened? Got any proof?

  26. @ fritz
    There is no proof of either situation, is there?

  27. ” There is no proof of either situation, is there?”

    Blue I don’t know? Frum said what he said and it sounds like the FNC MO to many here. Dollar implies that Frum lied and I think it’s up to him to give us some evidence or at least a reasonable explanation. Frum’s story sounds pretty accurate to me given what we know about how cable news nets operate and how thin skinned they are..

  28. This will drive some here around the bend considering it’s the second poll that has basically the same results. Have at it.

    http://www.scribe.com/doc/73377350/Fairleigh-Dickinson-University-Public-Mind-Poll

  29. Let’s try that again.

    I moved this to Free For All. Please discuss it there if you want.

  30. “Frum said what he said and it sounds like the FNC MO to many here. Dollar implies that Frum lied and I think it’s up to him to give us some evidence”

    Let me explain how this works. The burden of proof is on the accuser. If Frum wants to claim FNC did something, it’s not up to someone else to prove FNC didn’t do it (i.e proving a negative). It’s up to the person making the charge to prove what their charging. All Frum has offered is, well, no evidence at all. ‘Like a fatwa’ is a biased opinion, and not evidence of anything. He has the burden to prove what he says; it’s not up to me to prove a negative. That would be like saying Fritz is a shoplifter…OK Fritz, prove you’re not. I’m surprised I have to keep explaining this stuff.

    Also I didn’t imply anything. I said he’s not an impartial source. Are you claiming he is? If so, there’s some serious delusion going on somewhere.

  31. J$: Frum isn’t a party of the discussion here his actions are the subject under discussion. He doesn’t have to prove anything. You implied he lied so your the accuser here and so you have the burden of proof under your own rules.

  32. @ fritz

    For J$ to prove that, Frum would first have to prove that this is the reason why he was no longer featured on FNC.

    Bottom line, there is no evidence. You may believe him for any number of reasons (you like him, you dislike FNC, you believe it sounds like something they’d do, etc.) but there is nothing but his GUESS to go on. And remember that it is a guess on his part. He never claimed to have proof… just to assume that’s what happened.

  33. So claims Frum. He’s hardly an unbiased, disinterested analyst of what happened.

    The fact that FNC hasn’t come out and shot this down speak volumes. They never let shots like that pass them by…

  34. The burden of proof is on the accuser. If Frum wants to claim FNC did something, it’s not up to someone else to prove FNC didn’t do it (i.e proving a negative). It’s up to the person making the charge to prove what their charging.

    Frum made specific charges. He said that he’d get feelers from low level producers and then they’d come back later and say “forget it”. In my view that puts the onus on FNC to say it never happened. They haven’t done that.

  35. I hear Irena is busy.

  36. Why would Frum make up a story? He has no history of lying and the story just sounds right. My guess is that Frum has told this story to others and that he may even have taped the conversations. Who knows there may be others with similar tales. Fox just wants this to go away and not have it discussed any more.

  37. Fox and the rest of the Far Righties consider Frum an apostate. You won’t hear diddly about this because he is invisible to them. They couldn’t possibly care less.

  38. “Why would Frum make up a story?”

    Here’s one reason: he just signed a contract with CNN. They are what they call in the business world ‘competitors’. Frum may have just sat on this for years and it’s only coincidence that he decided to tell all after being hired by FNC’s competitor.

    You wanted a reason? There’s one.

    “He has no history of lying”

    Wow, you researched his entire history so quickly? Funny I found several articles in a matter of seconds that flat-out accuse him of lying regarding several different matters. Are they true? It would take some time-consuming research to know. But not for Fritz. He knows without ANY research that Frum has ‘no history of lying’, regardless of what others claim. He doesn’t even have to check out their accusations. I wonder why that would be?

  39. ^BS Johnny. I can’t find any examples on line of Frum actually lying. In fact I can’t even find any that seriously accuse him of lying. Your examples please.

    Either way it’s beside the point. In this case you are the one accusing him of lying; not Fox, so just give us your proof or admit you have none. My only point is the story sounds reasonable and as Spud says Fox is saying nothing; which they only do when they know the story is true and/or the storyteller might have evidence.

  40. Funny a Google search for:
    “David Frum” liar
    turns up several examples. And yet you insist it’s BS? Why would you call ‘BS’ on something that anyone can type into Google and see for themselves? The fact that you haven’t looked at a single example of the charges against Frum confirms that your claim that he has ‘no history of lying’ is just something you made up.

    “In this case you are the one accusing him of lying”

    False. All I said was he’s not an impartial source. Are you claiming he is?

    What’s more, it would be reckless of me to accuse him of lying without investigating the facts. You know, like it’s reckless of you to say he’s never lied in his history without you investigating the facts. But while you are willing and eager to make judgments based on nothing but what you want to believe, I prefer not to make sweeping claims without knowing the facts. Of course you are still free to do so.

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