Blogus Interruptus

Blogging resumes on Friday. Try to behave yourselves while I’m away looking up from the base of Half Dome wondering why I brought a snorkel with me…

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306 Responses to “Blogus Interruptus”

  1. You’re gonna leave me here alone? With THEM?

  2. ^ Now you’re MINE, maggot.

  3. Oh Fritz, I’ve got a piece of candy for you.

  4. lonestar77 Says:

    Nice to see Gingrich stuck it to David Gregory’s hair.

  5. lonestar77 Says:

    *stick* dern Swype

  6. joeremi Says:

    “There’s a new sheriff in town, and his name is..”

  7. erich500 Says:

    Well, I don’t know anything about her studies but the old guy is clearly a grad of the JFK School of Something or Other.

    I cleaned that up (as you can guess).

  8. joeremi Says:

    The “old guy” is ex Formula One team manager Flavio Briatore. A very well known fellow around the world.

  9. joeremi Says:

    Kirsten is wrong..that was not an apology.

  10. jackyboy Says:

    ^Yes it was.

  11. joeremi Says:

    You don’t apologize for calling a young woman a sl*t, and saying her parents shouldn’t be proud, by claiming it was “a joke”, and “not a personal attack”. That’s not an apology, it’s blaming everyone else for “misunderstanding him”. Throwing “I’m sorry” into that self-serving BS is meaningless.

  12. Rush Limbaugh’s apology was about as sincere as my pledge to boycott Little Debbie. He’s lost at least seven major advertisers, and that’s the only reason he did it. Unfortunately, the advertisers aren’t too impressed with the apology, either. I think we’ve seen the man behind the curtain, and his trou dropped quite some time ago.

  13. erich500 Says:

    Limbaugh’s apology is about as sincere as a Maher apology over his Palin attacks.

    It’s synthetic, insincere, and far, far too late.

    And driven entirely by self-interest and not human interest.

  14. jackyboy Says:

    I said it was an apology, I never said it was sincere. If you’re looking for sincerity then stop looking because you’re no going to get it from him. He’s paying for his choice of words one way or another so there really is no point in beating this any further. Let’s continue our disdain for Limbaugh and move on.

  15. Kirsten Powers — “It’s time for some equal-opportunity accountability. Without it, the fight against media misogyny will continue to be perceived as a proxy war for the Democratic Party, not a fight for fair treatment of women in the public square.”

    Add blacks and other minorities to that, and you have the entire conservative backlash in a nutshell.

  16. erich500 Says:

    ^Yes, but the point is that when you personally attack people – repeatedly call them “slu***” or “ass****’ or douchebags – you’re belittling them and treating them as a means and not as an end.

    Some people are so arrogant that they can’t see that. And you need to drive it home time-after-time that you simply cannot treat people like that.

    You. Just. Can’t.

    That applies to Rush Limbaugh or any one else.

    Some people get it and some people don’t.

  17. erich500 Says:

    And my post wasn’t necessarily directed at you Jackyboy.

    It was directed at some lone individual who stumbled across this website.

    Or maybe not.

  18. joeremi Says:

    Here we go with the backhanded preaching. Try sticking to the topic without sending your precious little “messages” to commentors you don’t like. Nobody cares.

    (Now begins a dozen “I don’t like Joe” comments to drive everyone away again. Have at it.)

  19. jackyboy Says:

    I don’t like Joe ;)

  20. joeremi Says:

    Atta boy, Jacky. ;-)

  21. I am about to put a damn bullet in my modem.

  22. joeremi Says:

    ^ She’s not kidding. And she owns guns.

  23. What’s more scary is I have a gun.

  24. ^ And Ainsley Earhardt has the right to bare arms.

  25. erich500 Says:

    That Kirsten Powers piece is first rate.

    Nut graf:
    “When it comes to high-profile campaigns to hold these men [Limbaugh, Matthews, Schultz, Maher et al.] accountable—such as that waged against Limbaugh—the real fury seems reserved only for conservatives, while the men on the left get a wink and a nod as long as they are carrying water for the liberal cause.

    “After all, if Limbaugh’s outburst is part of the ‘war on women,’ then what is the routine misogyny of liberal media men?”

    Good question. Any takers?

    Maher’s comment was dismissed as being part of his comedic routine. When it was shown not to be, when it was shown to be part of a larger pattern all we heard was silence.

    As Powers points out, hypocrites will denounce boorish behavior while engaging in it themselves. And they will call for apologies when they won’t give one themselves.

    Why are they allowed to get away with this?

  26. joeremi Says:

    How many times do I have to explain this? Bill Maher is a nasty, rude TV guy with no political influence. Rush Limbaugh is an extremely influential figure whose themes permeate the mainstream conservative media. They’re both scumbags. One happens to actually matter.

  27. jackyboy Says:

    ^This.

  28. They’re allowed to get away with it because liberals look for ways to make excuses. They’ll say he doesn’t matter like so-and-so does. Most probably don’t even realise what they’re doing.

  29. erich500 Says:

    ^This times two. Although it’s not liberals I ask as much as what we can call the media establishment (no, it’s not the same thing).

    If Maher was a rightwinger who used that term against Hillary Clinton or Nancy Pelosi he wouldn’t be invited on CNN and MSNBC and be given kid glove treatment.

    He’d be hammered.

    Maher thinks – and is sold as – a serious commentator and not just a comedian. He doesn’t use this language as part of a comedy routine. He uses it in his commentary.

    I think Limbaugh is a hundred times worse than these others. But it’s not a hundred times versus zero times.

  30. joeremi Says:

    HE DOESN’T MATTER. He’s a comedian who says things for shock value, and liberal idiots put him on TV. Which changes exactly NOTHING about his influence. I personally can’t stand him, but I’m not so stupid as to think a comedian going after a VP candidate is the same as a major political figure attacking an unknown law shool student in a particularly vile way for three days. This habit of grouping massively different stories under one umbrella is lazy.

  31. Fill in the blank:

    Laura Ingraham is a _____________

    Now, let’s get you in front of a mirror and have you practice “sincere faces”. That one’s good. Naw, that looks phony… Oh dang, the little tear thing was great!

  32. erich500 Says:

    So shock language doesn’t demean women? It doesn’t coarsen our culture and contribute to misogyny?

    If the larger concern is the demeaning of women then it shouldn’t matter whether the demeaning language is done in a commentary or in a comedic act. Both contribute to that environment. One more than the another but both contribute to it.

    And again: Maher is not treated simply as a comedian. As I said before, for whatever reason he is given a platform to give his views on serious matters.

    A man given a serious hearing (rightly or not) who demeans women should be held accountable by someone. But no one wants to hold him accountable.

  33. jackyboy Says:

    Joe has a point. Bill Maher hasn’t been taken seriously since his show was cancelled by ABC. Maher only says stupid things to get his name into the news and that’s all. A multitude of his comments are unacceptable but no one cares except for people who watch Maher, and that is a minority.

    A lot of people listen to Limbaugh and for him to attack an unknown woman like this quite frankly does not look good, especially considering Limbaugh’s influence in the Republican Party. Ideally we would handle situations like these the very same way and there would be equal outrage. However, more people hate Palin than Maher, and Limbaugh made himself look like a massive jerk to a person who didn’t do anything wrong. I cannot stand either of their commentary personally but it’s not the same.

  34. missy5537 Says:

    Who cares if Rush meant it or not? Many times we must apologize to make peace, not because we really felt we were wrong. Apology is an act of reconcilation.

    I’ve often apologized to people just because the lines of communcation with them needed to remain open, and I knew THEY would never apologize, nor did I feel that what I did was wrong. So I’d apologize and move on.

    And why should Ms. Fluke, the reproductive rights activist, be proud of her actions? And why should her parents be? What is so noble about having sex outside of marriage? Yes, I did so when I was younger, but it’s not something I’m proud of nor would I want to world to know.

    BTW, I’m joining the boycott. Against the seven sponsors who pulled out, that is. Sadly, the only one with whom I’m associated is Lifelock, so I guess that’s all I can do for now.

  35. Michael Richards was a comedian doing his routine on stage when some hecklers pi$$ed him off. He’s just a comedian but his career started swirling around the bowl just the same for his commentary.

    “Comedy” is about the joke, and the “subject” is only there to provide the comedic seed of truth. Maher’s monologues are all about the subject; he’s not a comedian.

  36. The left isn’t looking for a appology from Rush. The are looking for a celebration of his demise. As our perky Pesident would say, “licking their chops”.

  37. missy5537 Says:

    Rush’s demise is premature. I’m sure it’s not his listeners who are whining about this; it’s the typical rent-a-mob leftists who are likely inundating the advertisers.

    Rush could have been more delicate in his characterization of the woman, but he wasn’t. That’s what he does.

    While I disagree with Laura in her dislike of Rush, I apreciate the link she posted to Kirsten Powers’ column on the behavior of the left toward conservative women. I agree with Kirsten 100%.

  38. lonestar77 Says:

    Rush’s apology is just as sincere as anybody else’s. And, Larry is correct, the left doesn’t care about apologies, they want Rush out of a job. That’s the way the left operates. They want to silence everyone who disagrees with them. Often times it’s in the form of trying to get someone taken off the air or going after sponsors. Other times, it’s when people like that crazed wingnut, Tommy Christopher, argue that MSM outlets shouldn’t give equal time to conservatives because conservatives are wrong.

    Rush isn’t as influential as the left makes him out to be. He’s popular. There’s a difference. But, lefties hate conservatives and conservative ideals. Therefore, they feel that conservatives are conservative because they listen to Limbaugh. I would imagine I agree with him 99% of the time but I don’t know for sure because I rarely listen to his show. But, I’m conservative, of course, because Rush has a radio show. If the left could just succeed in getting rid of him and all the other scary conservatives, the whole country would suddenly turn liberal. Then, everybody could be as angry and insufferable as your average Joe, err, average liberal.

  39. You’re wrong this time, Missy. It’s not just a matter of Limbaugh being more delicate – even some liberals will forgive a personal attack when it’s rooted in truth. But he went well beyond implication and straight-out said things about her motives that were factually wrong. Even worse, his attack on her was wholly unnecessary. The “old” Rush could have said the same thing without any slander.

  40. What’s ironic is that he’s constantly slammed for “racism”, but he gets nailed for being sexist (because I’m tired of spelling that other word). Having listened the last few years, it’s not that surprising. And it wasn’t but a few months ago that he was referring to Herman Cain’s accuser as Sharon “Buy a lick”. People were upset about that, but he didn’t lose any advertisers so he kept doing it.

    I agree with him damn near all the time, and I’m tired of being embarrassed at his lack of self-control. Pity that so few are capable of embarrassment.

  41. lonestar77 Says:

    I love how a law student is so destitute that she can’t afford her own birth control. It’s obviously my responsibilty to pay for it.

    I’m glad she’s aware of what’s going on, though. She saw the controversy on that cable channel, MSNBC. Then, broke out her IPad 2 to do some research on it. When she decided to take up the fight, she grabbed her IPhone 4 and called all of her girlfriend’s to talk about it. Poor thing. Sucks being poor.

  42. She’ll be a decent lawyer. A good portion of her craft is about presentation and she set out to put on a convincing performance. “Truth” is not a requisite component for winning a case.

  43. It often gets in the way.

  44. Sigh…I disappear for 12 hours and things fall apart faster than a J$ argument! #CheapShot

  45. missy5537 Says:

    Spud, but at least we’re nice to Joe.

  46. ^ Always a bad idea..

  47. missy5537 Says:

    Lone Star, that’s exactly what got me about her – her sense of entitlement.

    She’s told us already that she’s got a “public interest” scholarship, so I’m sure SHE’s not expected to pay for her own I pad, I phone or I anything else. So why shouldn’t the taxpayers pick up the tab for her I-birth control as well?

  48. He trained his audience to always view an apology as weakness. Now he’s paying the price.

  49. Current TV is adding a morning block to the line-up:
    “Full Court Press: The Bill Press Show” will be on from 6-9am EST and “Talking Liberally: The Stephanie Miller Show” from 9-12pm EST starting in early Spring.
    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/current-tv-announces-morning-block-with-bill-press-and-stephanie-miller/

  50. Original title: “Press for more crap”.

  51. ^
    Couldn’t come up with anything snarky for “Miller”, huh?

  52. lonestar77 Says:

    “http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2012/03/05/attention-media-walmart-and-target-have-been-offering-9-birth-control”

    Too bad the national media is too corrupt and dishonest to report things like this. “War on women”, woo-hoo. Anything to distract from the disaster that is the Obama Presidency.

  53. lonestar77 Says:

    I have to remind myself from time to time that CurrentTV is real. It just screams parody.

  54. carolmr Says:

    “Joe has a point. Bill Maher hasn’t been taken seriously since his show was cancelled by ABC. Maher only says stupid things to get his name into the news and that’s all. A multitude of his comments are unacceptable but no one cares except for people who watch Maher, and that is a minority.” – jackyboy

    Maher is not taken seriously? Really? Then why has he been all over CNN and MSNBC for the past few weeks, with hosts (like Chris Matthews) hanging on his every political opinion? He wasn’t doing stand-up on these cable shows. And REAL TIME is more a political show than a comedy show. So please stop with the “Maher is JUST a comedian.”

    As far as Rush, Repubs/conservatives do NOT take their orders from him. He excoriated Romney before the Florida primary and guess who won that? The liberal media likes to make Rush more important than he is.

  55. lonestar77 Says:

    ^ good point regarding Maher’s show being more political than comedic.

  56. savefarris Says:

    lonestar, it’s more of a parody than you know. Cenk is now bagging on Rush for his ratings. Seriously.

    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/current-tvs-cenk-uygur-issues-10000-challenge-to-rush-limbaugh-prove-your-ratings/

    The very definition of “glass houses…”

  57. lonestar77 Says:

    Wait. A $10,000.00 bet? I thought issuing a bet in that amount made you an evil, rich, anti-American hater of women, children, puppies, kittens and minorities?

  58. This is brilliant. Not a single (bad word) was harmed in the making of this article.

    What if government treated eating the way it treats sex?
    http://hotair.com/archives/2012/03/04/what-if-government-treated-eating-the-way-it-treats-sex/

  59. ^ That was a brilliant comparison.

  60. The Middle East – 3000 years in 90 Seconds:

    http://www.mapsofwar.com/images/EMPIRE17.swf

  61. SUPER TUESDAY

    Means I get to tunnel out of this blog tomorrow for a hour and go vote for the Romney of my choice here in Ohio. Might pick up a few groceries and toilet paper too.

  62. erich500 Says:

    Nancy Pelosi has just called Ms. Fluke.

    One side over plays their hand and then the next does the same thing.

    The next set of polling data will be interesting. I imagine a +10 or so pickup for the Democrats among independent woman.

    Smart strategy but they really do risk overplaying things.

  63. ^ You presume that women who self-describe themselves as “independent” lack the ability to think for themselves. Those people vote Democratic anyway.

  64. erich500 Says:

    ^No, I presume most women independent voters are like most male independent voters.

    That is, they don’t follow politics that closely and only hear or read the headlines.

    And the headlines overwhelmingly favor the Democrats and overwhelming hurt the Republicans.

    I’m sure some polls will be out shortly. We’ll see whether I’m right or not.

  65. Hey, remember how Fox News is reporting so critically on gas prices, as if it’s Obama’s fault?

    When it was 2008 and Bush was President, it wasn’t his fault, though. Interesting how the times change.

  66. but it wasn’t Bush’s fault because of his policy to increase U.S. drilling and is Obama’s because he has been coasting off Bush’s drilling without new initiatives (other than “green” boon-dangles.

  67. I’m surprised MediaMatters put that video out there like that because it’s actually more supportive of FNC’s reporting than they think.

  68. No one ever seems to recall that when Bush called for an increase in drilling, the oil-price bubble burst. Because, you know, there’s really nothing a president can do about it, and God knows we can never credit Bush with anything.

  69. savefarris Says:

    RE: the Greta bit starting at 3:10.

    Her question was what difference opening (not even drilling) in ANWR would make on gas prices.

    Within a month, gas prices dropped 50 cents. Within 6 months, gas prices dropped over $2.

    Somehow, that didn’t make MediaMatters’s final cut.

  70. Liars aren’t social, but socialists are liars.

  71. jackyboy Says:

    and God knows we can never credit Bush with anything.

    Didn’t you receive the memo Laura? Bush is evil.

  72. While I don’t mean to suggest that a loud and deliberate push to start more oil wells wouldn’t bring down gas prices, it’s also true that the situation today is not completely analogous to what President Bush faced in ’08. Oil is traded around the world in US dollars and the policies of the past three years haven’t been good for the value of the dollar – when the dollar’s value drops relative to oil then the cost of gasoline has to rise substantially. There is a way to fix this but doing so would require President Obama to reverse most of his economic policies. He can’t do that.

  73. Can’t expect them to burn all that money they’ve been printing, can you? Bad for the environment.

  74. erich500 Says:

    I distinctly recall seeing Bill O’Reilly throughout that period blasting the Bush Administration for not reining in what he believed were people manipulating the futures market. The “oil speculators” he called them.

    I’m not sure why Media Matters didn’t include those clips in their little package. Need better editors.

    Soros need to write them bigger checks, I guess.

  75. O’Reilly goes high-test populist every time gas prices spike, and it does not matter who the president is. Liberals who say otherwise are either lying, or choose to listen to liars.

  76. erich500 Says:

    ^I recall Cavuto on several occasions rolling his eyes while O’Reilly went off on one his tirades on the matter.

    To claim he gave a pass to the Bush White House and the high gas prices is simply flat out untrue.

  77. lonestar77 Says:

    Moral of the story:

    Don’t cut and paste from Media Matters. Id maks ya luk stoopid.

  78. O’Reilly can’t seem to wrap his brain around the concept of a world market. He thinks pricing can be lowered simply by preventing the oil that’s drilled here from going elsewhere when, in reality, that would probably increase overall prices simply because oil from elsewhere would have to be routed to compensate.

  79. Billo has this precious idea that the President can bring in some oil executives and knock a few heads together. A Three Stooges approach to governing if ever there was one.

  80. “Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk. Pick one!”

  81. pick two… wrong two.

  82. Woo Woo… woo woo woo!

  83. If Spud comes up, he’ll get the bends.

  84. Assuming no one wants to outright legalise them then maybe try this to get people to say “No” to drugs::

    @MossyBlog: idea for drug campaign “60% of the drugs you’re taking right now were smuggled inside someone’s a$$hole”

  85. I’m thinking drug use should be legalized, but highly regulated. What we have been doing is a complete failure with the outlook bleaker every year. We are riding the moral white horse right over the cliff.

  86. “Because, you know, there’s really nothing a president can do about it…”

    Um, that’s why I posted the video… because Fox has been attacking Obama for high gas prices in the past month or so, when he clearly has no power to dictate when it spikes or drops, just like Bush didn’t.

    This video makes Fox look bad in a larger context. It shows how much of a pass they would give Bush while being a hawk on Obama as if he’s the arbiter on the price of gas. Comparing their treatment of Bush to Obama shows a big difference in their overall coverage.

  87. imnotblue Says:

    ^ Come off it. Should we replay all the other networks gas coverage too? We’ll find the same (but reversed) thing.

    Where’s MM’s outrage at that?

  88. savefarris Says:

    ^ Vote Obama 2012: Because He Won’t Have the Power to do Squat!!!

    Is that really the Campaign Slogan ya’ll are going with?

  89. lonestar77 Says:

    You should post the video of Obama blaming Bush for gas prices.

  90. lonestar77 Says:

    “Where’s MM’s outrage at that?”

    Careful with using outrage and media matters in the same sentence. It’s been reported that David Brock is a gun carrying, crazed lunatic with a drug problem.

  91. lonestar77 Says:

    I look forward to seeing this GTown student on The View later in the week.
    http://thecollegeconservative.com/2012/03/02/sandra-fluke-does-not-speak-for-me/

    I kid, I kid, she wouldn’t be allowed within 100 yds of the set. That’s prolly a good thing, though. No need to wade into the swamp with Joy Behar and Babwa Wahwahs.

    Solid post, though. She laid the hammer down pretty effectively.

  92. Surprised how little attention Eric Holder’s justification for killing American citizens from the sky if deemed terrorists is getting. The statement, “the Constitution provides for due process, not judicial process” would have ignited a fire storm had it come from a Bush AG.

  93. larry, the media is too busy focusing on Rush.

  94. NewsNation is looking more like FailNation right now. They’ve been unable to get other people on the phone or on screen, and unable to cue videotape.

  95. lonestar, Angela Morabito would be a great alternative viewpoint to Sandra Fluke, but the only place she would be allowed to enter would be the halls of Fox News and I haven’t heard anyone on Fox even mention her.

  96. Oh, and now you have a handful of people on the Right trying to turn Breitbart’s death into a conspiracy theory. Real nice.

  97. Well, he had an old film of a document forging workgroup at Columbia with an Obama-looking student holding up a passport template. Nobody can seen to find it now.

  98. imnotblue Says:

    @ Laura

    Come on… you didn’t guess that would happen?

    If it weren’t for that Nancy Grace was already in hot water for her whole Whitney bit, I bet she would have already asked who “pushed” (metaphorically speaking) Breitbart under.

  99. ^ I’m breathlessly naive. Ask anyone.

  100. “Angela Morabito would be a great alternative viewpoint to Sandra Fluke, but the only place she would be allowed to enter would be the halls of Fox News”

    ^^If someone of note on the left calls Ms. Morabito a ‘sl*t’, ‘prostit*te’ or asks her ‘to post a s*x tape on line’ then maybe she call go on TV as a spokesperson for Rush’s POV.

    Otherwise, the Georgetown University supporter of Newt Gingrich, calling Ms. Fluke a “skank”. “star of a bedroom sex tape”, “welfare cond*m queen” and a “Kardashian” (???) in her article makes her a poor choice as pundit on this subject; even on Fox News.

  101. imnotblue Says:

    ^ Seriously, who does she think she is? A Liberal comedian?! Only THEY can say things like that, and still get brought on to news programs and asked about their opinions.

    Duh!

  102. ^^ Ehh! What???

  103. erich500 Says:

    Angela Morabito’s piece is awful; it’s little more than unfunny name calling and personal attacks on Ms. Fluke. Skank? Welfare condom queen? Why is that needed?

    Where is her argument? Is it in there somewhere beneath all that snark and ad hominem? Really, Morabito’s piece reads like a Bill Maher routine.

    How can conservatives complain about sexist language from the other side and then flip over and praise sexist language when it comes from your side?

    Answer: you can’t.

    Sheesh, talk about handing an issue to your opponents. Gift wrapped too.

  104. We are shortly approaching my beloved Irish holiday and to other ethnic groups that don’t have a holiday, I say screw you.

  105. joeremi Says:

    Rush sinks the religious liberty argument for the GOP, continues to lose sponsors. Moral: People have daughters.

  106. Rush doesn’t have as much power as the Left likes to imagine. One @sshole doesn’t kill an entire argument. Keep dreaming.

  107. savefarris Says:

    Oh look: Matthews is trying to manufacture a comparison between Obama and JFK again. zzzzzzz…..

  108. joeremi Says:

    Rush didn’t do it all by himself. Santorum started it by turning the religious liberty argument into psychotic moralizing about the evils of contraception. Rush sealed it by hammering a young woman in a highly abusively sexual way for three days, while FNC backed up his “argument”.

    You can’t win in the general without independent men and women, and they are NEVER gonna trust the Republican Party with women’s health after this disaster. I’ve been following politics for 40 years, and the last time I can remember an entire political party on the ropes like this was after Watergate. It’s stunning.

  109. There’s no such thing as “never” in politics.

  110. joeremi Says:

    There’s no such thing as “never” in politics.

    There is in one cycle. The GOP will be lucky to get independents back about the time they’ve lost their last Latino supporter. This campaign of “who’s more crazy right than the other” is suicidal.

  111. savefarris Says:

    Santorum started it…

    BZZZZZ. Oh, I’m sorry. The correct answer was George Stephanapolous. Stephanapolous who, unprovoked, demanded Romney denounce some Hypothetical governor who was planning to outlaw contraception.

    Your assertion that independent women are NEVER going to trust Republicans again rests on the flimsy assertion that people still trust the **** that he MSM is shoveling. As any number of examples can show, they move the needle every once in a while but their power is greatly overstated.

    Besides, all Romney has to do is turn the debate back into the economy. Independents of all stripes are NEVER going to trust the Democratics with the economy after the Obama disaster.

  112. joeremi Says:

    I have zero respect for Stephanopolous as a jornalist, but he’s not why the argument shifted from religious liberty to “bad girls use birth control”. That’s on Santorum, Rush, and the gaggle of idiots who kept restating it on FNC day after day.

  113. “Independents of all stripes are NEVER going to trust the Democrats with the economy after the Obama disaster.”

    ^^Just a reality check; that the economy crashed under GWB and after the first few months of the Obama administration it has been on a slow recovery ever since.

    Do independents go with the party that, while drunk, crashed the family car or the one that towed it back to the shop and is slowly repairing the damage.

  114. ^ That’s not entirely true, either. The slow-down of the economy was global and on-track to be a minor recession for the USA. The American crash was entirely due to a real estate bubble created by long-standing government regulations.

  115. I have it all figured out. Ron Paul is secretly terminally ill, and plans to campaign to the death. I might be a little strange, though.

  116. “The American crash was entirely due to a real estate bubble created by long-standing government regulations.”

    ^^Bottom line; the crash occurred under a Republican administration. The recovery is happing under a Democratic administration. The causes of the crash can be argued over, and have been argued over, forever.

    My belief is It was caused by the passing of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act that repealed much of the Glass-Steagall Act.

    You can believe what you want about the causes but it doesn’t change the fact the crash occurred under Republican rule.

  117. The crash occurred under Republican White House/Democratic Congress rule.

  118. Sarah Palin is an idiot. She lashed out when vile things were thrown around about her and her daughter, but she just said it’s acceptable for Rush to say what he said.

    The ounce of credibility she had, she just lost.

  119. – Palin –

    Huh. Begala didn’t mention that, and otherwise thought she did well. Of course it was in the context of comparing her favorably with the actual candidates, As for me, once the fingernail that is her voice scratched the chalkboard of my mind, I switched to Coach.

  120. “The crash occurred under Republican White House/Democratic Congress rule”

    Very true Al. But if you go there then the Obama disaster is partly the responsibility of the Republican House. ;-)

  121. The “Obama disaster” occurred when the Democrats held a full choke hold on both houses of congress and the White House, and the Republican take-over of the lower body in 2010 was the electorate’s reaction to that.

  122. When seeing the differing state-by-state primary results (both this time around and 08′s), the wisdom of our unique electoral college system becomes more clear. It also reminds us that we’re more split (both intra and inter-party-wise) by state and region than we are by our ideologies.

  123. erich500 Says:

    Chris Matthews’ analogy of Obama’s phone call to Fluke with JFK’s phone call to Coretta Scott King is just unbelievably ridiculous. It minimizes what Dr. King was facing at the time.

    King was locked up in a he** hole prison somewhere in Georgia after being arrested on trumped up charges about a driver’s license. He was facing who knows what. Mrs. King must have been terrified.

    So, JFK calls her to comfort her and, let’s be honest, get some more black votes while his brother calls the judge to read him the riot act (the judge was refusing to give King bail; over a traffic violation!).

    To compare all that with Obama’s call to Ms. Fluke is just, well it’s so ridiculous that you don’t know what to say about it.

    It really does trivialize what Dr. King and his wife faced.

  124. Interesting:

    @billmaher Hate to defend #RushLimbaugh but he apologized, liberals looking bad not accepting. Also hate intimidation by sponsor pullout

  125. joeremi Says:

    The JFK comparison is being misrepresented. It’s to show how tone deaf Romney was to Rush’s vile attacks on Fluke, not make a direct comparison between Obama and Kennedy.

  126. joeremi Says:

    Oh sure, NOW we’re gonna listen to Bill Maher.

  127. Rush defended Maher when he was canned by ABC. Give Maher credit for finally paying it back.

  128. “Hate to defend #RushLimbaugh but he apologized,”

    ^^ He did? When? All I saw was him saying he was sorry he got caught. Imus had it right.

  129. erich500 Says:

    Here are Matthews’ exact words:

    “I think the call from the President to Sandra Fluke will be remembered perhaps not as dramatically as the call from President Kennedy, then-Senator Kennedy, to Mrs. King, to Coretta King after her husband was hauled off into the backwoods of Georgia in shackles.”

    To compare the seriousness of the two matters or to even intimate a comparison is absurd.

    The contraception issue will linger but the phone call to Ms. Fluke will be forgotten in two weeks.

  130. joeremi Says:

    Matthews has been using that anecdote all day to compare Obama’s handing of the situation to Romney’s ridiculous “I wouldn’t have used those words” response. You’re taking it out of context.

  131. erich500 Says:

    C’mon, if Limbaugh set himself on fire you guys still wouldn’t accept his apology.

    I think it was clearly forced and driven largely by self interest. But he did what people were calling for and you guys are just being unfair.

    It would be nice if liberals practiced a little liberalism every now and then. You know, tolerance, forgiveness…

    Whatever happened to that liberalism? Is it anywhere to be found anymore?

  132. joeremi Says:

    That’s crap. A sincere, unqualified apology to Fluke would be accepted. It’s never gonna happen.

  133. erich500 Says:

    All Matthews had to say is that the political and social effects of Obama’s call may turn out to be similar to those that resulted from JFK’s call to Mrs. King.

    To directly analogize the two situations is just ridiculous. To compare the political/social ramifications is also a stretch but not nearly as bad.

    He makes a living with words. He needs to be held accountable to the words he says.

    Besides, he’s been making the JFK/Obama analogy for four years. This is another example of him trying to distort history to do so.

  134. erich500 Says:

    “That’s crap. A sincere, unqualified apology to Fluke would be accepted. It’s never gonna happen.”

    Maybe more sensible liberals would accept it but that species is rare around these quarters.

    Just as nonsensible conservatives won’t accept an apology from Maher there are nonsensible liberals who won’t accept a mea culpa from a Limbaugh.

  135. Apologies are overrated, anyway.

  136. joeremi Says:

    Al, have you heard the extended clips? The endless, nauseating descriptions of “all the sex Fluke is having” are actually worse than the selected words everybody knows about. He owes that woman a real, face-to-face apology.

  137. – extended clips –

    I’m guessing that’s why “apologies are overrated”. Anything that occurs after the loss of seven advertisers is going to be suspect, I don’t care how “heartfelt” it appears.

  138. ^ No, but I don’t much care what he says on his good days.

    Shep Smith has been on the big Fox network tonight.

  139. ^ ^ Chickie sandwich. That’s what you get for sneaking in before I posted. And you’re right about “heartfelt” – real or not it isn’t possible to make it believable at this stage.

  140. joeremi Says:

    I’d like to see him photographed begging for her forgiveness, anyway. His maniac listeners who’ve been cackling about “feminazis” for two decades would choke, and they deserve it.

  141. joeremi Says:

    I’d like to see him photographed begging for her forgiveness, anyway. His maniac listeners who’ve been cackling about “femin@zis” for two decades would choke, and they deserve it.

  142. savefarris Says:

    Do independents go with the party that, while drunk, crashed the family car or the one that towed it back to the shop and is slowly repairing the damage.

    To complete your analogy, while the Republicans were behind the wheel, Lil’ Nancy & Harry WERE stabbing them in the neck and trying to play Peek-a-Boo. And the Democratics who “towed it back” are now asking for an extra $10 trillion salvage fee and telling you it’s gonna take 4-8 years to get out of the shop.

    You think Independents aren’t going to say “F*** it, just total the thing and let’s start over. This time, without those pesky kids in the backseat”?

  143. “Apology” as vengeance. Yeah, that’ll work.

  144. erich500 Says:

    ^That’s what some want.

    They don’t want an apology, they want him destroyed as a person. All of those years of pent up fury unleashed on him. He’s given them a chance and they’re seizing it.

    Weird.

    I’ll note re Matthews: He has a long history of making bizarre analogies and comparisons.

    This latest one isn’t new.

  145. joeremi Says:

    Yes, I would like to see Rush suffer for NOT apologizing when he had the chance. He refuses to do it because he knows his followers would be apoplectic. I wouldn’t have this attitude if he hadn’t lied his way through several self-serving BS “apologies”. Time and events change things, and my reaction to him now is different than it would have been a few days ago. He’s proven he doesn’t have a shred of decency, and all benefit of the doubt is removed. He’s an immoral pig, and I want him gone.

    - Matthews -

    Yes, I’m used to his convoluted comparisons/analogies, and probably heard this one with the appropriate “I know what he means” filter.

  146. joeremi Says:

    Keep in my mind, many liberals are happy to have Rush around to continue destroying the Republican Party. I’m not that guy. I agree with Joe Scarborough: there’s too much Crazy drowning everything else out on the right. I don’t want the party gone..I want the cancer removed.

  147. I can only assume it was Larry who cast one of those votes for Rick Perry.

    -Crazy-

    Yes, Repubs count a few crazies in our numbers. Dems are just crazy all around.

  148. As far as I’m concerned Fritz should be provided with government funded contraceptives.

  149. They make great party favors.

  150. When I voted today, I was the only one at the polling place. The other three eligible voters in my household did not vote, ignoring my reminders. An “I Voted Today” sticker was harder to come by than a KERRY-EDWARDS number sticker.

  151. Missy said a day or two ago that all she could do for her part in support of Limbaugh would be to drop her Carbonite subscription. Since then its stock has become one the sharpest decliners on the NASDAQ market.

    Warning to all advertisers: Don’t be messin’ with Missy.

  152. rubber baby number stickers

  153. Let’s see, a sponsor of Rush is likely to have:

    (a) angry liberal’s boycott them?

    (b) angry conservatives boycott them?

    I hope Carbonite has a back-up plan.

  154. joeremi Says:

    ^^ I ain’t toppin’ that. ;-)

  155. One pundit made the point that Romney is about as far from being a ‘dittohead’ as a Repub can possibly get. Another made a point that, in a general election, Romney would get the rural vote by default and the fact that he’s doing so well in urban areas is a big plus for him.

    I’m beginning to think that this drawn-out primary campaign may turn out to be a good thing for Repubs come November.

  156. joeremi Says:

    Mitt’s problem will be convincing non-righties he’s not the dittohead he’s claimed to be for 3 years. Was the Mass. Romney the politically expediant one, or this latest update?

    He’s gonna have a hell of a time blowing off everything he said during the primarys. Independents/moderates won’t trust it, and the right will turn on him. I don’t think he’s a deft enough politician to sort that out in his favor.

  157. We’re going to miss Rep. Dennis Kucinich.

  158. -Turn on him-

    In favour of the disaster in office now? I don’t think so.

  159. Wlhat is Steve Schmidt doing on the MSNBC panel tonight anyway? He’s been sitting there like a lump on a log for the past two hours. He’s letting people like Michael Moore (what the heck was HE doing there?) and others lie about Republicans and contraception. When MSNBC first began its coverage, Schmidt criticized Rush even though he said he didn’t agree with Ms. Fluke. Of course no one else one the panel asked him why he didn’t agree with Fluke. I guess they were afraid they might get a sensible take on the subject, instead of either hatred or worship of this activist law student.

  160. In favour of the disaster in office now? I don’t think so.

    “RomneyCare” is sticking to that guy like glue. I’m hearing a lot of rumblings on Twitter that Republicans will abandon “Obama lite”, focus on the House and Senate, and ride out four more years for a clean shot at 2016.

  161. – focus on House and –

    Doesn’t do much good when you have a President who makes recess appointments when legislators aren’t in recess. And whose supporters think that’s okay.

  162. The source of those rumblings is none other than George Will. He’s not been right about much of anything for a long, long time.

  163. -Romneycare-

    If any potential Republican voter spends any time at all thinking about it, what Mitt Romney thinks about RomneyCare is irrelevant. If he becomes president and even for one moment tries to retain ObamaCare then his agenda is toast. Anything he might try even remotely supportive of a national healthcare plan would immediately die by the hands of his own party in congress.

    What he can do is offer reasonable legislation to encourage states to retain the parts of the health care legislation most of us agree on and to require insurance commerce across state lines. You don’t know it but you’d love it.

  164. This assumes, of course, that Romney wins. He’s having a lousy night after the conventional wisdom had settled on “we don’t really like him, but what the hell”. The conventional wisdom doesn’t seem to last all the way to clicking that box..

  165. I’d say Romney’s having a fantastic night. He picks up more than half of the delegates while the other three candidates split the rest. And that’s true even if Santorum barely wins Ohio. But if Romney takes Ohio even by a smidgeon that’s a big bonus for him.

    Barack Obama wins Oklahoma tonight with only 57% of the vote, balance to other candidates. OUCH!

  166. Romney barely gets Ohio, so he’s looking better now.

  167. SCOTUS watchers remarking that the administration appears to be banking on 5-4 split on upcoming ObamaCare decision with the most likely swing vote being…. drum roll, please… Justice Antonin Scalia.

  168. Romney wins Ohio with both the uber-conservative southwest counties and the liberal northeast ones. Weird. Santorum wins heavily evangelical rural areas. Do those Evans like cradle Catholics? I didn’t think so….

  169. Santorum’s declarations as a Catholic mystify me. I’ve spent a lot of time in heavily evangelical AND Catholic churches and, trust me, Catholics don’t talk the way he does. He’s a true evangelical, and those folks hear it that way.

  170. He’s a true evangelical, and those folks hear it that way.

    Yes, what you say rings true. My parish priest, whose sister is a nun, doesn’t talk about things the way Santorum does.

    At first I thought the CNN virtual convention to be a clever way of conveying a complicated election explanation. Within 30 seconds it became painfully obvious that they’d used the first excuse they could find in order to show their dumb, worthless piece of [redacted] graphics.

  171. Mitt owes me. Vote early and vote often. When Acorn grew up, it became me. Putin studied my techniques. Cook County was named after my grandpa, B.O. “Cook” Kelly.

  172. Boo Hoo!
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/03/07/msnbc_hosts_grieve_over_kucinich_loss_in_ohio.html

    Alas, they should have had him as mayor of Cleveland. Little bugger singlehandedly invented “the politics of confrontation” taking the town into bankruptcy.

  173. – virtual convention –

    I just saw that. It was a multicolored field of wiggling…things. And Tom Foreman brought the weebles!

  174. lonestar77 Says:

    “I’ve spent a lot of time in heavily evangelical AND Catholic churches and, trust me, Catholics don’t talk the way he does.”

    I don’t know what you’re hearing. I think you’re hearing what pundits are telling you he’s saying.

  175. lonestar77 Says:

    Matthews on Romney’s speech:
    “His base is racist so he’s said “America” a lot during his speech. When he says “America”, he’s saying that other guy “Obama” is foreign”. <–summarized

    No, actually, that's you, Chris. You crazed bigot.

  176. savefarris Says:

    MSNBC: The Network that cried ‘Racism’

  177. “Maybe more sensible liberals would accept it but that species is rare around these quarters”

    ^^erich: Despite all the manufactured outrage in the media; sensible liberals hope Rush never apologizes and in fact we hope he doubles down on his attacks on Fluke. That’s what best for us because the longer this goes on the more independent women come over to our side. in November.

  178. “Wlhat is Steve Schmidt doing on the MSNBC panel tonight anyway?”

    ^^Giving some of the best political analysis on TV. With apologies to Ed Rollins there is not a better Republican pundit on cable news.

  179. lonestar77 Says:

    ^ He did apologize. But, short of shooting himself in the kneecap, your side will never accept it. The left doesn’t care about what he said. It’s all manufactured outrage. They hate him for being a conservative so they want him off the air. Do liberals do anything other than organize boycotts and protests? Not the most productive bunch in the country.

  180. ^^ I don’t hate Rush. I just don’t care what he says or does. He’s a punch line for late night comics and one of the best things Democrats have going for them in this election cycle. Whether he apologizes or not doesn’t matter.

    Personally I hope he doesn’t because it’s good for us, on the left, if he doesn’t and no one believes any apology he makes would be sincere. Rather, like most of these forced apologies, it’s a matter of saving his own hide.

  181. joeremi Says:

    I’m not going to be told “what I’m hearing” from a religious person. I know my churches, and I know my Christian verbiage. Rick Santorum talks like a Born Again, not the average Catholic.

  182. lonestar77 Says:

    Well, I have a big problem with the way the left operates. Day in and day out they search for ways to silence conservatives. It’s what they live for and it’s un-American.

  183. lonestar77 Says:

    I noticed that somebody way up the comment thread commented about Schmidt sitting there like a bump on a log on the MSNBC set. If you’ll remember from the first night of election coverage with the spectacularly nutty set of MSNBC hosts, Schmidt was quite outspoken in defense of Romney and Matthews got upset about it. Since then, Schmidt has served the typical role of a “conservative” in the MSM where he does nothing but talk about how bad conservatives are.

  184. “Well, I have a big problem with the way the left operates.”

    ^^Wow! That’s a big surprise. :-)

    “it’s un-American.”

    ^^Everything the left does is ‘un-American’ to you. Cry me a river. :-)

  185. lonestar77 Says:

    I was only speaking about the left’s continued attempt to silence conservatives. You just don’t see this much from the right. The right points out bias, etc. but you rarely see them lining up to get people fired, get advertisers to boycott, etc. Some of that happened with Maher back when he was at ABC, but I remember most of the big name conservatives defending him, as did I.

    I can’t imagine supporting an effort to get companies to stop putting ads on Schultz, Maddow, Matthews or LOD’s shows. It just seems crazy and anti-American me.

  186. lonestar77 Says:

    “http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0312/73724.html”

    Little snapshot of my overall point. This girl tweets something fairly innocent about Ron Paul and liberals tell her she hates gay people. So, to be reassuring, she promises she voted for Obama last election. Cuz, ya know, everybody to the right of Obama hates the g@ys and da blacks and da mexicans and all the other groups. In other words, if you don’t support a liberal, STFU.

  187. joeremi Says:

    It’s perfectly American to protest hate speech, which is what Rush Limbaugh traffics in. There’s a generation of meanspirited dittoheads out there poisoning the well of the Republican Party, and I’m sick of it. Just as I tend to buy products from sponsors who spend money in auto racing because I appreciate the support of my favorite sport, I avoid the ones who support the crap Rush spews, and encourage others to do so as well.

    This isn’t a First Amendment issue. Free-market business answers to the market, and as of this writing, 29 advertisers have decided their money is better spent elsewhere. I want Rush off the radio and out of the conversation on the right. We need better conservative voices.

  188. imnotblue Says:

    @ lonestar

    You can’t imagine the right organizing an advertiser boycott against MSNBC’s prime time hosts, not because it would be un-American… but because it would useless.

    Think about it… their advertisers have already decided to dump money into promoting their product to MSNBC’s 7 person audience (to be fair, that doesn’t include each host’s parents, but even they can’t really be expected to watch that often)… so what could possibly be said to discourage them any more?

    Protesters: “Chris Matthews calls everyone who disagrees with Obama, a racist!”

    Advertisers: “Who cares? It’s MSNBC. They charge me $0.75 to run a commercial, and I do it mostly because I hate seeing Vince babble about ‘Sham-Wow’ when I channel surf.”

    Protesters: “Yeah… okay.”

  189. Just so we don’t forget the generation of mean-spirited whatever on the Left.

    http://michellemalkin.com/2012/03/07/the-war-on-conservative-women/

  190. Seeing Dennis on MSNBC?
    http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/with-rep-kucinich-out-of-the-house-is-cable-news-in-his-future_b115314

    I doubt it. Dennis would be rough on Obama on war, privacy, and secrecy issues. MSNBC only wants Obama suck ups. Think Cenk.

  191. imnotblue Says:

    Oh and don’t forget this “friendly” left-wing talker.

    Liberal Radio Host Ridicules Tornado Victims: ‘Their God Keeps Smashing Them Into Grease Spots’

    http://www.mediaite.com/online/liberal-radio-host-ridicules-tornado-victims-their-god-keeps-smashing-them-into-grease-spots/

    Luckily, nobody really listens to him, so there is no real outrage. But at least time, it wasn’t blatant racism from Malloy.

  192. savefarris Says:

    I await Obama calling Rush to encourage him to withstand the barrage of violent, eliminationist rhetoric.

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/03/07/exclusive-dems-incite-death-threats-against-limbaugh

  193. Malloy is pitiful. He makes Bill Press look like a major player in talk-radio. Fire him, ban him from radio, do whatever you want…but for God’s sake don’t talk about him because that’s what he really wants. “For the love of God, notice me!!

  194. imnotblue Says:

    @ farris

    Meh. I’m not sure we should put too much stock into Facebook comments.

  195. Not that I’m praising him, or it’s a really high bar or anything, but I’m fairly certain that Rush hasn’t ridiculed the dead. He has his standards..

  196. imnotblue Says:

    ^ Yikes. That is not a bet I’m willing to take!

  197. “Just so we don’t forget the generation of mean-spirited whatever on the Left.”

    ^^ Michelle Malkin – It’s all about me me me. ;-)

  198. lonestar77 Says:

    Oh Joe, you’re so silly.

    Those advertisers who caved into the far-left extremists, well:
    Carbonite still advertises on Ed Schultz & Stephanie Miller
    Pro Flowers advertises on Bill Press
    Quicken Loans advertises on Sharpton & Bill Press

    Save your phony outrage for the thoughtless liberal lemmings out there.

    Rush “inspired a generation of mean-spirited dittoheads”? Where are they? Not here. YOU are the one who constantly calls the rest of us names. Check out the hate tweets Adam Carolla received for expressing grief over Breitbart’s death. Check out the mediaite comment sections. The hate from the lefty posters heavily outweighs the hate from the righty posters.

  199. savefarris Says:

    ^^ you mean that “mashed-up bag of meat with lipstick on it” says it’s all about me-me-me. Heck, even Stewart couldn’t defend that one.

    blue,
    while you would think Facebook wouldn’t be the definer of our political discourse, Liberals said exactly that when the “hater in chief” was Sarah Palin. No reason we can’t hold them to their own civility standards.

  200. – It’s all about me me me. –

    Uh, yeah. That’s exactly what it’s about. Or maybe, at least for me, it’s about noting that sexism is equal-opportunity, not a left/right thing. It only becomes ‘political’ when you choose to note it from one side and not the other. I don’t pay attention to Michelle Malkin, so I have no idea what her response was to Rush. Having watched her as little as possible, I would assume it was tepid at best. And yes, this was the best thing that could have happened for the Democratic Party. Lying about the economy won’t take them very far.

  201. lonestar77 Says:

    http://www.mediaite.com/online/limbaugh-denies-hes-lost-28-sponsors-how-can-they-say-it-because-they-lie/

    How can you not love Rush?

    Anyway, sorry libs. He’s not going anywhere. So, sit around and wait for the next faux controversy to exploit.

  202. imnotblue Says:

    @ farris

    Gonna disagree with you again. There’s a difference when the FB post comes from a politician, and when it comes from some knucklehead with a computer… and uh… no notoriety (had to add that last bit, otherwise it wouldn’t specific enough).

  203. “Anyway, sorry libs. He’s not going anywhere”

    ^^ That’s my fondest hope as well.

    “So, sit around and wait for the next faux controversy to exploit”

    ^^And with the four horsemen of the Republican apocalypse running for POTUS we won’t have to wait long. ;-)

  204. imnotblue Says:

    ^ You’ll only have to wait until tonight, when Hannity and Breitbart’s remaining team waste our time with another video, which probably won’t accomplish anything… except give the left (as if they needed it) another excuse to shout “RACISM!”

  205. lonestar77 Says:

    ^And with the four horsemen of the Republican apocalypse running for POTUS we won’t have to wait long. ”

    That’s long been the strategy of the left. Create controversies to deflect attention. Hell, I wouldn’t want to have to defend liberalism either.

    Gas prices? Debt? Deficit? Unemployment? Uhh, hey look, shiny object over there, Rush Limbaugh and contraception!

  206. joeremi Says:

    I see, now Rush’s disgusting behavior is a “faux controversy”. Yeah, I just imagined all that. Dittohead.

  207. Hey music lovers. Here is a long distant dedication. This one goes out from Larry in Ohio to Fritz, on the outskirts of the seven layers of Hades:
    http://gawker.com/5891366/

  208. lonestar77 Says:

    Yes, it is a faux controversy. Nobody really cares. You people just hate Rush. If you cared, you’d be all upset anytime the lib talkers say similar and worse things…on a much more frequent basis.

    You’d demand companies pull their advertisements from those shows. But, you won’t because you don’t really care.

  209. “http://gawker.com/5891366/”

    ^^ Look out Taylor Swift! :-)

  210. “Yes, it is a faux controversy. Nobody really cares. You people just hate Rush. If you cared, you’d be all upset anytime the lib talkers say similar and worse things…on a much more frequent basis.”

    I am more upset when a liberal makes a crude remark because it plays into the hands of those like you who wait with baited breath for a dumb comment from someone on the left.

    On the other hand and for the same reason in reverse Rush can do no wrong as far as I’m concerned. I cheer every off color joke or racial slur because I know it makes life more difficult for Mittens and the boys.

  211. joeremi Says:

    No LS, you don’t care, and no one is surprised.

  212. imnotblue Says:

    ^ I think that’s one of the things the left does really well. When someone (say Michael Moore) is out talking about how great Liberals are, and pandering to whatever left-wing group he’s talking to at the moment… the left loves him! They’ll celebrate all the people who come to see him, and bring him on all the lefty programs.

    BUT, the moment he says something stupid and offensive, the word goes out that “Michael Moore doesn’t speak for the left!” and “We barely like that guy!”

    We’ve seen this with Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and a whole host of other left-wing activists, who at one time or another stepped in it big time.

    In short, the left does a much better job of distancing themselves from their party leaders and spokespeople, and lying about how concerned they are when one of their guys says something foolish.

  213. lonestar77 Says:

    No, Joe, I don’t care. Why should I? Do I run around trying to get liberals fired for saying stupid shiite? No. Conservative point out bias. Liberals try to silence people.

    Stop pretending like you care what somebody you don’t know said about someone else you don’t know.

  214. joeremi Says:

    LS, stop pretending you know better how I feel than I do. I have a 24yo daughter. Rush’s disgusting 3-day destruction of that young women bothered me. A lot. And the rat bastard won’t even apologize without pretending “it was a joke” and “not personal”. I don’t care how he’s helping Obama get re-elected right now, I want that cancer off the air.

  215. lonestar77 Says:

    “Rush’s disgusting 3-day destruction of that young women bothered me.”

    I’ll buy you your own Formula 1 car if you can prove to me you listened to Rush for 3 days in a row. I’ll buy you a Formula 1 model if you actually heard Rush say anything until it was reported in the media.

    I have 2 kids. From now on, everytime I hear a liberal advocate killing an unborn baby, I’m gonna call them a cancer and demand they be taken off the air.

  216. imnotblue Says:

    LS, don’t you DARE pretend to know what Joe thinks!

    Just because he expresses is clearly to anyone who can read, doesn’t mean you’re supposed to remember any of it!

    Joe wants Rush off the air NOW! It has nothing to do with his politics! It’s just coincidence that others have said similar things, and Joe has ignored or hasn’t had the same reaction to them. Don’t think about that… not remember it… that stuff just gets in the way.

  217. joeremi Says:

    Hmm, I see. If I didn’t actually sit through the entire show, then clearly I have no right to be offended by the extended clips I’ve seen dozens of times. It’s all out of context. Just a joke. Nothing personal. Buy a lick.

  218. This whole conversation is about two days beyond tiresome.
    Rush Limbaugh gave Dems a gift, which they would be crazy not to take (and Joe is the only one with anything close to a pure motive).
    They were already pushing the “birth control” theme, then Rush comes out and does this. He gets busted the first day, goes on for two more, and doesn’t “apologize” til ads start bleeding. They’d be fools if the didn’t use it.
    As someone who actually listens, I know it isn’t the first time he’s slimed a woman and I know that he NEVER would have apologized if not for the sponsors. But please, go on and beat the subject to death.

  219. From TVNEWSER

    Fox News Channel won Super Tuesday with cable news viewers. With 2.84 million Total Viewers, FNC drew the combined viewership of CNN and MSNBC. Super Tuesday lifted the primetime averages for all three nets compared to a regular night of programming as well as on earlier primary nights.

  220. “In short, the left does a much better job of distancing themselves from their party leaders and spokespeople, and lying about how concerned they are when one of their guys says something foolish.”

    ^^ Nice to see your catching on Blue.

    The only thing I disagree with is the “lying about how concerned they are” part. We are genuinely concerned but not because of what stupid thing they said was offensive but rather that whatever dumb comment they made will be used as political fodder by guys like you. ;-)

  221. “Laura L Says:

    March 7, 2012 at 4:00 pm”

    ^^I can’t argue with a word you say laura. Well said.

  222. fritz3 Says:
    March 7, 2012 at 4:37 pm

    There was some decoding involved, but I think that makes sense.
    When I first heard about this, I saw everything that followed. Well, except for the part where he lost sponsors and :”apologized”. But I knew that it would be a mess for Republicans in general. And I can’t overstate the extent to which I am tired of hearing about :”bias” as an all-purpose excuse/cop-out. He said what he said. There’s no “context”. It shouldn’t reflect on Republicans, but the media will see to it that it does. And that’s the playing-field. Suck on it.

  223. ^ Where the hell did those colons come from?

  224. erich500 Says:

    “We are genuinely concerned but not because of what stupid thing they said was offensive but rather that whatever dumb comment they made will be used as political fodder by guys like you.”

    Wow, Fritz you really want to admit that? Are you sure? Or are you kidding? I see the smiley afterwards and I’m unclear as to what it means.

    Lets see if this is correct: If the right doesn’t use the ugly comments as “political fodder” or if the comments go unnoticed by conservatives, it’s okay if they’re made?

    Bill Maher’s use of the “c” word against Palin then was wrong not because it was simply wrong and sexist and demeaning on its face but because your opponents would use it for gain?

    If the political right disappeared from America (steady now), then Maher and everyone else can call women “c” words from now until the sun explodes and destroys the earth. Since the right isn’t around to use those words for fodder, it’s okay to use?

    Tell me if I have your point wrong?

  225. Dennis Kucinich, showing his usual class, spend the bulk of his midnight concession speech bad mouthing his Democratic primary opponent, Marcy Kaptor. He must be really hacked missing the November election vs Joe-the-Plumber.

  226. joeremi Says:

    Wow, Fritz you really want to admit that? Are you sure? Or are you kidding? I see the smiley afterwards and I’m unclear as to what it means.

    That one mystified me, too. I certainly don’t endorse it.

  227. -Where the hell did those colons come from?-

    Time for a colonoscopy.

  228. Sorry for the confusion. Don’t get me wrong I don’t agree with anyone making crude or racist slurs; but if they are made I much prefer they are made by those on the right for purely political reasons.

    If someone like Ed Schultz screws up I want him to do what he did and make a full and fulsome apology as soon as possible. If it’s someone like Rush I hope he does exactly what he did and it drags out for weeks.so the story can play havoc with politicians on the right like Romney. I have little sympathy with most of the victims (unless it is someone like the Imus Rutgers victims who were truly blindsided) as they are pubic figures and can take care of themselves. I count Ms Fluke among that group.

    I know this is somewhat at odds with my agreeing with laura’s POV of the Rush situation but I’m conflicted. I’m sick of it as a story but want it to go on because it’s good for our side.

  229. – I count Ms Fluke among that group. –

    In the narrowest sense, Rush Limbaugh was the best thing to ever happen in her life. She gets to act all “hurt” and “outraged”, while adding bullet-points to her resume.

  230. Ms. Fluke is accustomed to drawing flack and I bet she was giddy after hearing what Limbaugh said – it takes some thick skin to be an “activist”. That doesn’t excuse Limbaugh’s comment in any way, of course. In fact, he should be ashamed not only for being a jerk but also for being so easily out-maneuvered.

  231. ^ the whole controversy is knee deep in mendacity.

  232. ^ And there might be gambling, too.

  233. Instead of calling her names, let us just acknowledge that she’s full of it.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/292882/not-so-bitter-pill-charles-c-w-cooke

  234. ^ Of course she’s full of it. I assumed everyone already knew that.

  235. Just the smarter ones. That leaves out a few.

  236. carolmr Says:

    “I noticed that somebody way up the comment thread commented about Schmidt sitting there like a bump on a log on the MSNBC set.” – lonestar

    That was me. At one point even Michael Steele, appearing via satellite, said something like, Hey, Steve, aren’t you going to help me out here?

    ‘”Wlhat is Steve Schmidt doing on the MSNBC panel tonight anyway?”’

    ^^Giving some of the best political analysis on TV. With apologies to Ed Rollins there is not a better Republican pundit on cable news. – fritz

    Not last night he wasn’t. Somebody at MSNBC put the mute button on him.

    Chris Matthews devoted yet another segment to Rush today with both panel guests agreeing with him, of course. I don’t think he has ever had anyone on pointing out the fact that Maher makes much worse comments about conservative women yet the president takes a million dollars from him. Matthews also ran video from Romney’s speech last night and criticized the supporters in the background saying, Who are these people? They all look like androids. What is this – North Korea? I can’t believe this man still has a show and has the nerve to criticize what other people say on air.

  237. ^ he is doing what is expected of him. It’s best not to watch that channel. At least without turning the sound off and providing your own MYSTERY SCIENCE THEATER dialog.

  238. jackyboy Says:

    I don’t know what’s worse, that we’re still talking about Limbaugh or there hasn’t been anything else to talk but Limbaugh.

  239. ^ Hey, I finally listened to the three programs in question. I’ll only bore you enough to say that if anything, the press underplayed it. Rush is great on the issues, but once he fixes on an individual, he loses his freaking mind.

  240. “Not last night he wasn’t. Somebody at MSNBC put the mute button on him.”

    ^^I watched almost all MSNBC coverage and he had his fare share of air time: my guess just a little less than everyone except Maddow, who was the moderator.
    But it’s really good to see you watched MSNBC most of the time rather than your preferred FNC ;-)

    “Michael Steele, appearing via satellite, said something like, Hey, Steve, aren’t you going to help me out here?”

    ^^If memory serves,Steele boxed himself into a corner on a point he was making and laughingly asked Schmidt to help him out.

    “Chris Matthews devoted yet another segment to Rush today with both panel guests agreeing with him, of course.”

    ^^It’s hard to find rational guests who will come on air to defend Rush. Even conservatives are staying out of this fight. Rush is the author of his own demise here by not giving a full and fulsome apology. It’s not going to go away until he does or some other scandal replaces it.

    “Maher makes much worse comments about conservative women”

    ^^ Yes Maher’s comment were crude and uncalled for but no worse than Rush’s. Both should be condemned equally.

    “yet the president takes a million dollars from him.”

    ^^I agree he should give the money back, because it’s not worth the blowback he’s getting; but it was given to a Superpac and Obama can’t seem to be dictating to them. My guess Maher withdraws the donation on his own to make the issue go away.

    I do agree Matthews can sound like an idiot some of the time. The case you cite is one of them.

  241. savefarris Says:

    but it was given to a Superpac and Obama can’t seem to be dictating to them.

    Probably should have brought that up when Obama set upon his War Against the Kochs (and/or Justice Alito). Because pointing it out NOW just looks opportunistic and hypocritical.

  242. imnotblue Says:

    Anyone want to talk about the Hannity/Breitbart video?

    What happened? Was it anything worth talking about, or was it (as I predicted it would be) a big WOT (waste o’ time)?

  243. “What happened? Was it anything worth talking about, or was it (as I predicted it would be) a big WOT (waste o’ time)?”

    ^^Gotta agree blue. A discussion of ‘critical race theory’ is about as interesting as paint drying. The big takeaway for me, and I assume most people, was how articulate Obama was as a speaker even at that young an age. I wouldn’t be pushing this video as a reason not to vote for Obama. It’s more like something that would appear in an Obama bio ad.

  244. “Probably should have brought that up when Obama set upon his War Against the Kochs (and/or Justice Alito). Because pointing it out NOW just looks opportunistic and hypocritical”

    ^^ No clue of what your talking about which is par for the course I guess..

  245. “But it’s really good to see you watched MSNBC most of the time rather than your preferred FNC” – fritz

    Hi, fritz. For the record, I watched MSNBC and recorded FNC.

    “^^ Yes Maher’s comment were crude and uncalled for but no worse than Rush’s. Both should be condemned equally.” – fritz

    But the point is that both are NOT being condemned equally. Maher is going to host a benefit for Alabama Democrats, despite the terrible things he has said about conservative Republican women. And no one, including Chris Matthews, is asking why President Obama and other Democrats aren’t condemning Maher’s comments.

  246. Derrick Bell was criticized even by other African-Americans for his beliefs, but not by Barack Obama. Bell wrote a fictional story about how white Americans sold blacks to space aliens and the Jews just stood by and let it happen. I think President Obama should try to distance himself from this guy he once embraced, as he has tried to distance himself from Rev. Wright and Ayers.

  247. When did Jay Thomas become a political commentator? I know that playing Carla’s husband is a great resume-enhancer, but still.

  248. Oh, he does talk-radio, doesn’t he? Oh well. I’m sure he’s quite well-known. #cheapshot

  249. Me again. I hope that this is a sign of things to come. He won’t be the feared figure that he once was, and that’s a good thing. Conservatives shouldn’t be bowing to a media-person anyway. Seems as though there might be some irony to that.
    Who remembers Walter Winchell? I certainly don’t..

    Who’s afraid of Rush Limbaugh?
    http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=06BEA02E-E2D5-4CED-A9A6-25006A12191B

  250. “But the point is that both are NOT being condemned equally”

    ^^ It’s a factor of timing. Maher’s comments are history and the only reason we are talking about them again now is that you and other Rush supporters need something to make Limbaugh’s slurs more understandable. By changing the subject to Maher, Schultz, Imus or whomever you hope to change the subject away from Rush.

    It’s a good ploy and one that we on the left use just as easily when one of our celebrities makes a crude slur. Rush’s attack will be forgotten in the weeks ahead only to reemerge when some lefty says something stupid.

    As for Bell I have no interest in Ayers, Wright or Bell and there relationship with Obama any more than Romney’s relationship to a church that baptizes dead Jews against the wishes of their relatives. Both subjects are fodder for the extremist wing of the respective parties.

  251. fritz, why wasn’t Maher condemned last year when he made those vile comments? Why weren’t Democrats asked last year by people like Chris Matthews if they were going to condemn those remarks? And why, after those remarks, is Maher still being invited to give his political views on MSNBC and CNN? And, lastly, Howard Kurtz said this week that it was OK for Maher to call Bachmann 4-letter words because she was running for president and knew what she was getting into, unlike the innocent Sandra Fluke. Hard to believe he is supposed to be a media watchdog.

  252. savefarris Says:

    Maher’s comments are history and the only reason we are talking about them again now is that you and other Rush supporters need something to make Limbaugh’s slurs more understandable.

    Straight out of the playbook:
    ignore,
    ignore,
    ignore,
    ignore,
    ignore,
    “those accusations are ancient history and has already been dissected to death”.

  253. “why wasn’t Maher condemned last year when he made those vile comments?”

    ^^ I thought that he was but If you say he was given a pass then that was wrong. Your sure no one on the left criticized his slurs? That seems a bit odd but I just don’t remember the incident other than it was a bit of story for a few days. .

  254. “Straight out of the playbook:
    ignore,
    ignore,
    ignore,
    ignore,
    ignore,
    “those accusations are ancient history and has already been dissected to death”.

    ^^Not exactly what I said but your entitled to your opinion even if it make little sense.

  255. – ‘critical race theory’ –

    It’s refighting a previous battle. He’s President now, and no one beyond a fringe gives a flying damn about what he did in his college days. No. One. That’s the problem with Breitbart and elements of ‘my’ side. I’m sick of hearing about “radical Obama and the press never vetted him”. Whether you believe that or not, It’s Over. He’s the President, and this crap looks no different than “Selected, not elected”. And we might recall how well that worked out for them.

  256. Fritz uses s many ^s he must have a garden.

  257. “Heath care will not add one dime to the deficit.”
    They liked to call George Bush a liar. Obama’s the real deal.

    http://freebeacon.com/sebelius-has-no-idea-if-obamacare-adds-to-the-deficit/

  258. They are making such a big deal about HBO,s GAME CHANGE re. Palin, but when the book came out, she was hardly the big story. The unflattering portrayal of Mrs. Edwards and John’s escapades got the initial major attention.

  259. savefarris Says:

    It’s refighting a previous battle. He’s President now, and no one beyond a fringe gives a flying damn about what he did in his college days.

    How sad you weren’t alive in 2004 to chide the media for their TANG obsession.

  260. carolmr Says:

    “I thought that he was but If you say he was given a pass then that was wrong. Your sure no one on the left criticized his slurs?” – fritz

    I don’t remember anyone on the left criticizing Maher. In fact, Democrats kept appearing on REAL TIME. Media people like Chris Matthews appeared on his show and still invites Maher on Hardball. Howard Kurtz said this week that Michele Bachmann has nothing to complain about when it comes to Maher’s vile slurs against her because she was running for president. I’d say Maher got a pass.

  261. “TANG obsession”

    The media was obsessed with fake orange juice? Cool!

  262. God i love the Tea Party.

    Word is they are forcing Boehner and the House Republicans to renege on the debt ceiling agreement from last summer thus causing us to go through the whole thing again just before election day.

    Because they would be the ones breaking the deal there would be no question of who would get blamed;fairly or unfairly.. Moreover it would put Mittens in the untenable position of supporting the Tea Party base or independents who will be severely pissed that the debt ceiling fight is happening again.

    .

  263. carolmr Says:

    According to National Review, David Axelrod will be appearing on REAL TIME within the next few weeks. Yeah, I’d say Maher got a pass.

  264. I love the Tea Party. If it weren’t for them, the debt would be even worse.Very classy in retrospect when compared to the Occupy street trash.

  265. TANG = Texas Air National Guard
    And even though Dan Rather used blatantly falsified papers, that didn’t stop the deranged elements on the left from insisting that Bush got preferential treatment and didn’t really complete his National Guard service.

  266. savefarris Says:

    fritz,
    it ain’t Boehner who’s forcing the issue to be re-dealt with:
    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0212/73260.html

    Obama’s spending your money faster than anyone else in history: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/mar/8/govt-sets-record-deficit-february/

    No wonder Obama and his minions are desperate to change the subject to birth control.

  267. – fake orange juice –

    Thanks Fritz. I wasn’t about to ask.. ;-)

  268. “it ain’t Boehner who’s forcing the issue to be re-dealt with:”

    ^^farris: I’m talking about a different debt ceiling story. Mine is about the Republican House budget and how the Tea Party types in the House are pressuring Boehner to renege on the deal he made with the Democrats last summer. He’s in a no win position much like he was in December with the payroll tax fight.

  269. It’s old and tired, but Dorothy Rabinowitz of WSJ has the last word on Rush. She’s clearly actually listened to all of what he said, including what he said about Herman Cain’s accusers. And no, she doesn’t care about Bill Maher. It’s excellent.
    I had to hit the pop-up-player in order to hear the whole thing.

    http://online.wsj.com/video/opinion-rush-ruin/9F5740CD-5993-4F06-B0B4-0ED686C6AF9E.html?mod=djemEditorialPage_h

  270. joeremi Says:

    Anybody worried about Game Change should wait for the movie. Every review says it paints her sympathetically as a person thrown into the deep end by a bunch of chuckleheads who snapped her out of Alaska and said, “Good luck!”

  271. sympathy for the devil, I’d predict.

  272. ^ They’re just trying to make up for Maher.

  273. joeremi Says:

    Steve Schmidt’s involvement is interesting. Apparently his character isn’t very sympathetic, and he calls it a “confession”, and says he’s portrayed accurately. He seems to feel bad for being a part of the at-the-last-minute circus which thrust her into the spotlight before they spent much time vetting and preparing her.

    Regarding not doing the Edwards’ story, the director says doing the whole book was impossible, so they chose the most interesting story in it. It was a wise move..a Game Change movie without Palin would have been laughed off television.

  274. John Edwards seems kind of “done”, at this point. She’s dead and he’s sick…what else is there to be said? The Story of Sarah, on the other hand, never gets old.

  275. I’d like to see the Clinton/Obama story developed for film. I don’t know if it’s dealt with here; but it’s certainly not in the trailers.

  276. savefarris Says:

    “Everyone should wait for the movie”

    Funny how when it’s a Democrat being portrayed (Primary Colors, The Kennedys) or a Conservative ideal being pushed (24, Passion of the Christ), we don’t need to wait for the movie, we can make a judgement beforehand. But anytime the target’s a Republican (Game Change, W., Fahrenheit, The Reagans), it’s all “Wait for the movie!” Are you going to slag all the folks praising the film sight unseen as well for not waiting?

    “Every review says it paints her sympathetically”

    Which reviews are you looking at? Every review I’ve seen points out Palin appears to suffer from mental retardation (and because it’s a movie, it must be true!)

  277. O’Reilly’s has on that Former White House Communications Director Anita Dunn is the head of the company selectively making Sandra Fluke available for interviews. A “willing pawn”.

  278. joeremi Says:

    Farris, I’m not going to answer a massively generalized question about “them vs. us” which presumes I said something about something, when you obviously have no record of me saying it. You’re not debating me, you’re using my comment as a launch for your speech. Not interested.

  279. I’d like to see the Clinton/Obama story developed for film.

    Only if there is a cheesy romantic ending, complete with Barack and Hillary romping through a fountain, holding hands while sharing an ice cream soda, and the like.

  280. joeremi Says:

    I’ve read enough about the Obama/Clinton story to know what we saw on cable news was the only interesting part. They may be good politicians, but exciting people they are not.

  281. ^Joe: I’m taking about the behind the scenes stuff; the internal feuds in the Clinton camp etc. sort of a “War Room’ of the Clinton/Obama primary campaign.

  282. Like maybe the part where the “First Black President” gets a shot across the bow from the Obama camp that he is using racist tactics.

  283. joeremi Says:

    Yeah, I could live without that story being told again. Bill “will someone please shut him up so I can win” Clinton said some stupid shyte in that campaign.

  284. Am sick of that damn “Wee!” pig. I was really hoping after the state’s primary elections all of those annoying swine advertisements would go away.

  285. The Mississippi judge upheld Governor Barbour’s pardons. Run for President, you fat bastard. I dare you.

  286. Mississippi Supreme Court, and it was the correct ruling. The importance of upholding the unequivocal power of executive pardon far outweighs the abuse of that authority by Gov. (Fat Bastard) Barber.

  287. Uhg. He’s not a barber. It’s Barbour, as in bourbon. Fat bourstard.

  288. I wasn’t gonna say anything. I figured all your ‘u’s were used up.

  289. Somebody should get that fat bourstard and make him go “Wee!”

  290. Or at least hijack his iPhone and make it call him “Rock God”.

  291. *..checks to see if it’s Friday yet..*

  292. overcoming anxiety, overcoming fear, overcoming phobias…

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