MSNBC Confirms Martin Bashir’s Show is not a News Show.

Politico’s Dylan Byers writes about MSNBC’s delineation between its news shows and its non-news shows.

Something I learned just now from MSNBC: It has news shows and “point of view” shows.

MSNBC considers everything from 3 p.m. into primetime to be “point of view” shows. That includes Martin Bashir, Dylan Ratigan, Chris Matthews, Al Sharpton, Ed Schultz, Rachel Maddow, and Lawrence O’Donnell.

Meanwhile, the shows that run from 9 a.m. to 3 p.m. are not “point of view” shows. That includes Chuck Todd, Chris Jansing, Alex Wagner, Andrea Mitchell, and Tamron Hall.

There are a couple of things to address here…

1) This is the first time MSNBC has come out and said that Martin Bashir’s show isn’t a news show. I once asked MSNBC to clarify what kind of show Bashir’s was and got ignored. Ever since, I’ve been arguing on the blog that Bashir’s show wasn’t a news show. But MSNBC itself hadn’t outted the show as such until now.

2) Byers wrote the above because he wrote another related article for Politico concerning Karen Finney filling in on Bashir’s show today and tomorrow.

MSNBC spokesperson Jeremy Gaines emails:

We frequently have our analysts fill-in on our “point of view” programs.

There are two points I would want to make here. First, this explanation doesn’t account for the time Finney was put in a news anchor role back in 2009. But other than that I agree that putting non journalists on POV shows ain’t no big thing since the shows aren’t news shows. But this leads me to my second point which is that MSNBC is schizoid about who fills in on Martin Bashir’s POV show. Sometimes its non journalists like Finney but other times it’s MSNBC’s straight anchors; usually Thomas Roberts and Richard Lui. I’m bothered about journalists being brought on to POV shows as it makes a muddle of everything…the journalists reputations, the show itself, everything.

3) I have to call BS on Now with Alex Wagner being labeled by MSNBC as a news show. It is not a news show and Wagner is not a news host or anchor. And I can prove that. This has been demonstrated repeatedly by how when big news breaks MSNBC cuts Wagner and her show out of the equation entirely by tossing to a journalist anchor to take over for however long they want to stay on the story. If Now was a news show MSNBC wouldn’t be taking this extraordinary step…it would have Wagner anchor the breaking news. So Now isn’t a news show. It’s closer to a POV show especially given the little asides and commentary Wagner tosses out during discussions with her panel.

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22 Responses to “MSNBC Confirms Martin Bashir’s Show is not a News Show.”

  1. this is kind of like Fox News none of there shows are news either.

  2. ^ that’s not news. That’s POV

  3. savefarris Says:

    ^^Hey, stop stealing my name!!!

  4. I didn’t think there was any question that Bashir was a POV show. It’s obvious. I agree reporters like Lui should not host on the show. Roberts is a POV wannabe and has subbed on a number of PT shows so I give him a pass.

    Wagner’s show is POV much like the Hayes and MH-P shows on the weekend. It’s hard to defend it as news and I wouldn’t bother.

  5. How do we know this is the real Fritz? He sounds too Intellegent.

  6. I hate to beat a dead horse here: but I think Wagner should be moved to CM’s 4pm live show spot (putting her in with the other “POV shows”), make CM do live at 7pm, and extend Thomas Roberts’ news-ish show to two hours.

    That’s the best solution to not confusing the POV shows with the non-POV shows… especially when POV shows don’t belong that early in the day anyway.

  7. Or Prog, give Jansing two hours and move Roberts to Now’s slot. If anyone at MSNBC deserves two hours, it’s Jansing. I’m sure Spud agrees.

  8. Martin Bashir’ is not news? That’s a understatement

  9. A long stretch of straight news on MSNBC is a waste of time. There’s plenty of other outlets for it, and MSNBC’s niche ‘politics from the left’ audience doesn’t want it. We watch The Place For Politics for exactly what it advertises.

  10. Who needs news on TV cable news channels. Why that’s as old fashioned as news reels at the movies. As old fashioned as headlines on HLN. As old fashioned as music on MTV. Spend the day on Twitter and watch the PBS News Hour. Read a could blogs hooked to your news reader. Times they are a changing.

  11. News hits Twitter first now, with a link to details..then you watch discussion about it on cable. This is why CNN continues to eat it: They’re great for continuing coverage of a Breaking News event, but the daily rehashing of headlines we’ve already digested on the internet is useless. It’s like reading the morning paper at dinnertime.

  12. Spend the day on Twitter and watch the PBS News Hour. Read a could blogs hooked to your news reader.

    You do that and you won’t be getting a full enough picture of what’s going on…

    They’re great for continuing coverage of a Breaking News event, but the daily rehashing of headlines we’ve already digested on the internet is useless.

    That’s a ludicrous argument. Twitter can’t beat TV for breaking news and it can’t beat TV for sumnarizing what’s going on. The internet is only fast at dispersing headlines. It takes a lot longer to report in detail and most of the time gets beat by TV.

  13. Twitter leads to links to other material, which is what I said. I get oodles of news coverage from websites. I watch cable news for discussion and debate about things I’ve already seen on my computer or phone. So do a lot of other people now.

  14. savefarris Says:

    As old fashioned as headlines on HLN. As old fashioned as music on MTV.

    C’mon Larry: how could you leave out ‘As old fashioned as weather on TWC’?

    … straight news on MSNBC is a waste of time.

    Forget ‘Lean Forward’. THAT should be the slogan!

  15. Agree. Leaning news on MSNBC is but a fig leaf to hide the purpose of the network. It is amazing that the leaf is getting smaller but is still intended to cover bigger xxxxx.

  16. Every once in a while I like my own comments.

  17. Do you suppose any of the MSNBC yappers have any concerns Al Qaeda think their channel a buddy? Or is self-reflection not in their bag of tricks?

    Enemy of my enemy is a friend.

    Pall’n around with terrorists.

  18. I get more news on Twitter, Facebook and watching one hour of RT America than I’ll get from MSNBC, CNN and FOX combined.

  19. Do you suppose any of the MSNBC yappers have any concerns Al Qaeda think their channel a buddy? Or is self-reflection not in their bag of tricks?

    Enemy of my enemy is a friend.

    Pall’n around with terrorists.

    I think that comment is just as stupid as the one caring about what Al Qaeda thinks of FNC.

  20. I consider Daily Rundown and Andrea Mitchell as news shows just about politics, NOW is in now way a news show. I am glad they admitted the obvious about Martian Bashir’s show , that’s not news program

  21. Bashir is just a run of the mill vile Euro Leftist and was never a “news” type. And trying to push off Andrea Mitchell as a “newsie” is more and more ludicrous as she goes off on one of her leftist harpie rants….not pretty.

  22. […] from MSNBC on the record regarding what kind of show they think Now is, just as something similar was done by Dylan Byers regarding Martin Bashir’s opinion show which confirmes what many of us thought from day one…that Bashir’s show wasn’t a […]

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