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I purposely have avoided tv this morning. A quick read from Internet news sources tells all there is to know without repetitive chatter and inimformed speculation. I suspect the special interests will make themselves known all to quickly. Wish the killer had died one way or the other.
You all know there are two things that drive me insane when breaking news occurs:
1. FNC et al insist on plastering their graphics onto the screen instead of letting us watch the footage or the story unfold, and
2. These networks love to ditch actual breaking news (as when a spokesperson or other principal is actually telliing us something) so that their own people can opine.
So it’s happening this very moment! The spokeswoman, outside the perp’s San Diego home, is speaking, but our cable networks got bored and decided to ditch out of it. Thanks again FNC/CNN et al ! I guess your pundits know more than the actual principals involved!
It’s as if there’s a mass-shooting or something vaguely terroristic, and someone immediately Googles the name along with “Tea Party”, “Rush Limbaugh”, etc. That we should even be discussing an “apology” to the Tea Party, on a day like this, is disgusting.
And the default response from gun nuts is to say that, “if someone else had a gun, this wouldn’t have happened.”
Because Joe Blow, with only the minimum required training and target practice, would be able to see through the tear gas and get a head shot in the dark, crowded theater in a timespan of a couple seconds……….. I love how everyone on the internet today is a trained sniper who could’ve stopped that tragedy with their pistol.
I’d rather deal with false bravado, no matter how ridiculous, over someone plainly gaming an advantage out of tragedy. The ones I hate, on my side, are the ones who respond ‘in kind’. “I know.. they blame us, so let’s blame them!” I know what, let’s all act like venal children!
And I’m not even that bothered by discussions of gun control. It’s early and it’s knee-jerk, but it’s a valid issue, if misguided. I’m tired of whatever fill-in-the-blank tragedy being used as a weapon against political enemies at all, let alone before the smoke has even cleared.
^Well, I’d first like to know where/how he got his guns before considering gun control legislation.
Where did he get them? Did he steal some? Black market? Get them legally in Colorado? Or from out of state? Order them through the mail? Would federal laws even apply here? Or state laws only? Local laws?
Since we don’t know any of this I’d like to hold off on new gun laws since, y’know, we have no idea what needs to be changed.
I didn’t say that the discussion made any sense. They don’t know a damn thing about what happened, but just have the magical idea that some law might have prevented it. It’d be nice if they were right.
Really wish Brian Ross and other Libs in MSM would wait a few hours and get some facts before trying once again to falsely blame the Tea Party for a shooting…you would think after the 8th time they tried that they would wise up and wait for proof of TP involvement.
I have to admit, I’m more than a little disappointed / annoyed with Brian Ross. The guy is a top notch reporter, but to make the political argument so early, and for it to turn out to be so wrong, is unacceptable. He just really hurt his reputation as one of the “good” reporters left.
All day long, these people must hear ‘liberal media, liberal media, liberal media’. And God knows it isn’t the first time that this sort of unfounded charge has been made about an unhinged individual, and whether they were affiliated with some boogeyman conservative. At some point, after it’s happened some number of times, you’d think that they MIGHT have a meeting to discuss.
Chris Jansing is hosting a special show at 10pm tonight,
Jansing & Co. @JansingCo
Special coverage tonight at 10pm ET. @JansingCo will report live from Colorado with the latest on the #theatershooting.
1:32 PM – 20 Jul 12 via Twitter for iPhone · Details
While I agree that some reporters would want that to be true, I’m not sure I believe that about Ross. He’s done some really good reporting on both sides, and has been featured with O’Reilly as a result. But this mistake… well, this is a big one. He rushed the story, and had no business reporting something so thinly sourced.
While have no problem with CNBC and FBN covering the Colorado shooting on Friday AM it after it happened, FBN should not be covering this as the top story at 6pm ET.
FBN is a business channel, let FNC cover the Colorado story.
I’m not sure the ABC/Ross error was due to a “liberal bias” (Ross seems to me to be apolitical) as much as it was a “political bias.” That is, the need to see events like this through a political prism, as caused by some sort of political motivation on the part of the shooter.
We certainly saw that with Loughner and the Tucson shooting. But that was plausible since it involved political figures.
If you live in a world of politics and see everything as politics then you’ll try to place it into a political template. E.g., MSNBC’s coverage.
Political template. Now that’s where a sort of liberal bias or view might come into play.
I’m completely mystified by Ross’ behavior. He has a penchant for trying to scoop conspiracy stories, but a young guy in full battle gear throwing tear gas and shooting people sounds like a video game fantasist, not a political act.
It’s as if they can’t help themselves. You had Rush with his ill-considered comments, this week. You have Michelle Bachmann, with her attention-seeking craziness. On the one hand, I have to wonder if they weren’t trying to tie it in with that, somehow. On the other hand, great job distracting from Republican Party nuttiness, while giving us another grand example of “media bias”. Ugh.
erich, this isn’t the first time Ross dabbled in something like this. A couple of years ago, he pulled a David Schuster and claimed that the DOJ was investigating Denny Hastert (still speaker at the time).
erich, my comments as posted at TV Newser, similar to what you are saying:
What a clown this Ross is. Holmes is a common name, and so is Jim/James. There are probably a half million James Holmes in the country, and for Ross not to be more thorough in checking out the identify of the perp is unconscionable.
Why didn’t he say that the perp was related to Katie Holmes, or maybe to Eleanor Holmes Norton? No, the Tea Party is an entity he wants to villify, and this fit his narrative perfectly.
Those with an agenda come out of the woodwork to capitalize on tragedy. Today’s NYT has half-dozen editorials /op-eds promoting gun control. As far back as Marc Antony at Cearsar’s funeral, they never waste an oppurtnitity to conspire while the blood is fresh and emotions high.
July 20, 2012 at 6:26 am
I don’t like when these sorta of stories are given wall-to-wall treatment. It’s unnecessary and may even encourage some crazies to do this.
July 20, 2012 at 6:34 am
I purposely have avoided tv this morning. A quick read from Internet news sources tells all there is to know without repetitive chatter and inimformed speculation. I suspect the special interests will make themselves known all to quickly. Wish the killer had died one way or the other.
July 20, 2012 at 7:06 am
“That wasn’t what I had in mind when I said I wanted to inspire people…”
July 20, 2012 at 8:27 am
You all know there are two things that drive me insane when breaking news occurs:
1. FNC et al insist on plastering their graphics onto the screen instead of letting us watch the footage or the story unfold, and
2. These networks love to ditch actual breaking news (as when a spokesperson or other principal is actually telliing us something) so that their own people can opine.
So it’s happening this very moment! The spokeswoman, outside the perp’s San Diego home, is speaking, but our cable networks got bored and decided to ditch out of it. Thanks again FNC/CNN et al ! I guess your pundits know more than the actual principals involved!
July 20, 2012 at 9:20 am
Some knee jerk reactions are just pitiful:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2012/07/aurora-abc-draws-possible-tea-party-connection-129568.html
July 20, 2012 at 9:33 am
A great re-tweet by Keith Olbermann slamming a Daily Kos deputy for making political comments. “Tomorrow” says KO.
July 20, 2012 at 9:41 am
It’s as if there’s a mass-shooting or something vaguely terroristic, and someone immediately Googles the name along with “Tea Party”, “Rush Limbaugh”, etc. That we should even be discussing an “apology” to the Tea Party, on a day like this, is disgusting.
July 20, 2012 at 10:45 am
And the default response from gun nuts is to say that, “if someone else had a gun, this wouldn’t have happened.”
Because Joe Blow, with only the minimum required training and target practice, would be able to see through the tear gas and get a head shot in the dark, crowded theater in a timespan of a couple seconds……….. I love how everyone on the internet today is a trained sniper who could’ve stopped that tragedy with their pistol.
July 20, 2012 at 10:53 am
I’d rather deal with false bravado, no matter how ridiculous, over someone plainly gaming an advantage out of tragedy. The ones I hate, on my side, are the ones who respond ‘in kind’. “I know.. they blame us, so let’s blame them!” I know what, let’s all act like venal children!
July 20, 2012 at 11:31 am
And I’m not even that bothered by discussions of gun control. It’s early and it’s knee-jerk, but it’s a valid issue, if misguided. I’m tired of whatever fill-in-the-blank tragedy being used as a weapon against political enemies at all, let alone before the smoke has even cleared.
July 20, 2012 at 11:51 am
^Well, I’d first like to know where/how he got his guns before considering gun control legislation.
Where did he get them? Did he steal some? Black market? Get them legally in Colorado? Or from out of state? Order them through the mail? Would federal laws even apply here? Or state laws only? Local laws?
Since we don’t know any of this I’d like to hold off on new gun laws since, y’know, we have no idea what needs to be changed.
July 20, 2012 at 12:10 pm
I didn’t say that the discussion made any sense. They don’t know a damn thing about what happened, but just have the magical idea that some law might have prevented it. It’d be nice if they were right.
July 20, 2012 at 12:13 pm
Really wish Brian Ross and other Libs in MSM would wait a few hours and get some facts before trying once again to falsely blame the Tea Party for a shooting…you would think after the 8th time they tried that they would wise up and wait for proof of TP involvement.
July 20, 2012 at 12:21 pm
“I didn’t say that the discussion made any sense”
Sorry, my questions were posed at those advocating more gun legislation, e.g., Mayor Bloomberg et al.
July 20, 2012 at 12:28 pm
I have to admit, I’m more than a little disappointed / annoyed with Brian Ross. The guy is a top notch reporter, but to make the political argument so early, and for it to turn out to be so wrong, is unacceptable. He just really hurt his reputation as one of the “good” reporters left.
July 20, 2012 at 12:32 pm
It seems to me a few more people than Ross dropped this one.
No one around there said, “Wait, let’s make a few calls, check around.” Another hour or two wouldn’t have made a difference.
That’s assuming it would have taken that long.
Mr. Holmes will be receiving a nice check in the coming months.
July 20, 2012 at 12:58 pm
All day long, these people must hear ‘liberal media, liberal media, liberal media’. And God knows it isn’t the first time that this sort of unfounded charge has been made about an unhinged individual, and whether they were affiliated with some boogeyman conservative. At some point, after it’s happened some number of times, you’d think that they MIGHT have a meeting to discuss.
July 20, 2012 at 1:41 pm
They just want it to be true so badly. That’s the only explaination that I can come up with for such unprofessional behavior from such smart people.
July 20, 2012 at 2:14 pm
Chris Jansing is hosting a special show at 10pm tonight,
Jansing & Co. @JansingCo
Special coverage tonight at 10pm ET. @JansingCo will report live from Colorado with the latest on the #theatershooting.
1:32 PM – 20 Jul 12 via Twitter for iPhone · Details
July 20, 2012 at 2:48 pm
While I agree that some reporters would want that to be true, I’m not sure I believe that about Ross. He’s done some really good reporting on both sides, and has been featured with O’Reilly as a result. But this mistake… well, this is a big one. He rushed the story, and had no business reporting something so thinly sourced.
July 20, 2012 at 2:52 pm
Tucson all over again.
July 20, 2012 at 3:06 pm
While have no problem with CNBC and FBN covering the Colorado shooting on Friday AM it after it happened, FBN should not be covering this as the top story at 6pm ET.
FBN is a business channel, let FNC cover the Colorado story.
July 20, 2012 at 3:26 pm
I’m not sure the ABC/Ross error was due to a “liberal bias” (Ross seems to me to be apolitical) as much as it was a “political bias.” That is, the need to see events like this through a political prism, as caused by some sort of political motivation on the part of the shooter.
We certainly saw that with Loughner and the Tucson shooting. But that was plausible since it involved political figures.
If you live in a world of politics and see everything as politics then you’ll try to place it into a political template. E.g., MSNBC’s coverage.
Political template. Now that’s where a sort of liberal bias or view might come into play.
Maybe. Again, Ross has no history of this before.
July 20, 2012 at 3:40 pm
I’m completely mystified by Ross’ behavior. He has a penchant for trying to scoop conspiracy stories, but a young guy in full battle gear throwing tear gas and shooting people sounds like a video game fantasist, not a political act.
July 20, 2012 at 4:41 pm
It’s as if they can’t help themselves. You had Rush with his ill-considered comments, this week. You have Michelle Bachmann, with her attention-seeking craziness. On the one hand, I have to wonder if they weren’t trying to tie it in with that, somehow. On the other hand, great job distracting from Republican Party nuttiness, while giving us another grand example of “media bias”. Ugh.
July 20, 2012 at 4:58 pm
When the right is already loading up the “they’re gonna blame the Tea Party” salvos, wouldn’t you think twice about handing it to them?
July 20, 2012 at 5:05 pm
Once again, the shooter’s name was James Holmes.
It wasn’t Holmescynski. Holmes. Holmes.
I mean doesn’t anybody over there consider the likelihood of a number of James Holmes in that area. Like, more than one? Three? Ten?
This is something we sort of figured out in, I’d say, third grade?
What was Brian Ross thinking?
July 20, 2012 at 9:07 pm
Any Reason The Main-Line up at MSNBC were MIA today, was that in case they did a Keith Olbermann?
July 21, 2012 at 4:30 am
erich, this isn’t the first time Ross dabbled in something like this. A couple of years ago, he pulled a David Schuster and claimed that the DOJ was investigating Denny Hastert (still speaker at the time).
July 21, 2012 at 5:21 am
erich, my comments as posted at TV Newser, similar to what you are saying:
What a clown this Ross is. Holmes is a common name, and so is Jim/James. There are probably a half million James Holmes in the country, and for Ross not to be more thorough in checking out the identify of the perp is unconscionable.
Why didn’t he say that the perp was related to Katie Holmes, or maybe to Eleanor Holmes Norton? No, the Tea Party is an entity he wants to villify, and this fit his narrative perfectly.
July 21, 2012 at 5:40 am
Those with an agenda come out of the woodwork to capitalize on tragedy. Today’s NYT has half-dozen editorials /op-eds promoting gun control. As far back as Marc Antony at Cearsar’s funeral, they never waste an oppurtnitity to conspire while the blood is fresh and emotions high.
July 21, 2012 at 12:09 pm
Chris Jansing stands out when she does straight news. Why MSNBC forces her to do an op-ed show is beyond me.
July 21, 2012 at 12:59 pm
Why would that be beyond anyone anymore? MSNBC main focus is now not news, but opinion. If you are on that team, you need to pull your weight.
July 21, 2012 at 1:23 pm
How much does anyone here wanna bet that Ross went to Google and looked up “James Holmes Tea Party”?
July 21, 2012 at 1:26 pm
That would be a sure bet. I’m guessing “James Holmes OWS” was not even attempted.
July 21, 2012 at 6:03 pm
David Zurawik
ABC’s Brian Ross and a press that disregards reputations of those it covers
http://www.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/tv/z-on-tv-blog/bal-brian-ross-james-holmes-abc-news-20120721,0,360437.story
July 22, 2012 at 11:04 am
I guess I don’t know McCain well enough, because this slightly surprises me.
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/john-mccain-on-gun-control-norway-shooter-killed-people-in-country-with-strict-gun-control-laws/
July 22, 2012 at 4:07 pm
Chris Jansing is anchoring an MSNBC Special Report right now.
July 23, 2012 at 6:14 am
Why the surprise? McCain isn’t a 100% liberal.