155 Responses to “GOP Convention Day 2: Your Reactions”
Anything I have to say about MSNBC coverage is dependent on the admissibility of heresay evidence.
When are Rachel, et. al., going to stop pontificating and let us listen to Rob Portman? Is MSNBC going to air Paul Ryan’s speech tonight?
Perhaps you should watch the Republican Convention on FNC and Democratic Convention on MSNBC. Let both parties show theree wares under the best of circumstances. Then make up your mind.
Shouldn’t we all know by now what MSNBC’s gig is? It’s a liberal newstalk show attending the Republican Convention. They make it possible for someone like me to watch the major speeches, with perspective from the liberal side for the rest of the coverage.
Aside from those major speeches, it’s not a news event. It’s exactly as its labeled: a party for Republicans. If I want to sit through the whole presentation, there’s plenty of avenues to do so. I don’t want to.
Larry, you’re right. And I have been switiching between FNC and MSNBC most of the evening.
Or as Al more succinctly puts it, MS–/ doesn’t do news. We should stop commenting as though this is unusual.
Listening on cspan Sirius iPhone app. Refreshing to hear the actual unfiltered event. Thank you Steve Jobs, and yes you did build that and thousands of American tax paying jobs.
The iPhone is built in China.
FNC is seriously using the breaking news banner for lower thirds saying that guests scheduled to speak at the convention are going to speak soon.
This is breaking news?
Fox News Alert: Regularly scheduled stuff will happen as scheduled.
The video background has stopped changing during speeches, tough the one being used now is animated and slightly annoying.
Actually sat with the head of one of their contract manufacturers on a recent flight to Austin. A Chinese guy going to Brazil to manage their south American iphone production. Nice guy, but he is not an official employee of apple. He works for his own company. Quick Internet search says Apple has 37,000 employees, my guess is most are in the US. This is a Great Country! Vote Romney and the sky’s the limit!
The NBC affiliate in Washington, DC (the most watched station in DC) has pre-empted RNC coverage for preseason football.
The neo-con “let’s invade everybody” stuff tonight is bewildering. I’m not aware of a groundswell of conservative support for another round of wars in the Middle East, especially among Libertarians, which are a large part of the Tea Party movement. This has a “Bush-era sore losers” feel to it. Ignoring the killing of bin Laden is a nice touch..
^ ^ HA! I’m not surprised. Really though, Andy, I think Channel 4 has a football contract to adhere to.
Condi Rice and Susana Martinez gave incredible speeches.
Paul “I’m prettier than Sarah” Ryan is speaking.
“… and fading Obama posters”… that left a mark.
Our generation had Farrah Fawcett, this one has “Hope and Change”. Harsh.
Joe has one! Great line, too bad it’s true!
Our rights come from nature and God! Not from Government! Amen Brother!
“But they have her absolutely convinced that even if she can’t have a hamburger at the Woolworth’s lunch counter she could be President of the United States if she wanted to be and she becomes the Secretary of State.”
Dr. Rice’s parents were the kind of people we should all strive to be. Doesn’t matter if the world isn’t the way it should be, live our lives and raise our kids with the outlook in the way we hope for it to someday be.
That was a pretty weird speech. The guy that voted for the wars, Part D, the bailout, and TARP went on a tear about spending and such, then claimed Obama’s policies closed a GM plant while Bush was still President.
- in the way we hope for it to someday be -
Liberals hate that. They’re too busy talking about what the country was, 50 or 200 years ago. And telling us that if some people aren’t successful, then no one should be allowed to be.
GM’s Janesville Plant closed in June, 2009.
Did you hear? If we now use the word “Chicago” describing anything about Obama that is another “code word” because there are a lot of black people in Chicago! So sayeth Chris Matthews and John Heileman.
Who are these people and why are they allowed on TV?
Al, the Washington Post says the plant closed in December of 2008. There seems to be a lot of controversy about this.
As I understand it, its SUV production ended in ’08 but its medium-sized truck production continued into ’09. It was idled but not closed (along with a whole bunch of other GM facilities around the country) and then placed in stand-by status.
From Wiki , if you can believe that (but it does mostly agree with news articles from a couple years ago):
“In October 2008, GM announced Janesville Assembly would be largely idled December 23, 2008 when production of SUVs would end. A skeleton crew continued to work at Janesville Assembly through June, 2009, completing the Janesville/Isuzu light truck contract.”
I haven’t sought out links yet, so this is just theory. We’ll see how it stacks up later.
A plant that cancels one line in Dec. ’08, then runs out production of another in June of ’09, is a plant that was scheduled for closing in ’08. I presume they ran the ’09 truck line out while the ’10 models were being ramped up at another plant. If my memory serves, GMC/Chevy did a redesign of their pickup trucks for 2010. The SUV they shut down was probably built on the old truck chassis. Hence, the old plant went down with the end of that chassis’ production run.
Thanks, Al. Gov. Scott Walker was grilled on this by the MSNBC panel, a panel that basically said Ryan lied in his speech. I don’t think Walker did a great job of explaining what happened to the Janesville plant.
which seems to explain that as recently as Sept, 2011 there was still a chance for the plant to be reopened, subject to market forces.. which goes to Rep. Ryan’s remarks.
I don’t think people who don’t understand automobile production lead times should be making stupid statements about it in speeches. Do you know how many people think the Volt was created under the Obama Administration, FOR the Obama Administration? This crap annoys the hell outta me.
Tomorrow (unless some injured patient shows up to rudely make me actually work) I’ll read the text of Ryan’s remarks so I can see his point in context and decide whether the hub-bub about it is legit.
-Palin’s appearances cancelled-
Shine made a statement about it just being because of RNC’s schedule change & hurricane… blah, blah, blah. On the other hand, we’ve been told by more than one FNC opinion host (including Greta) that FNC never tells them who they can and can not book. Sumpin’ dodn’t seem right. Eh?
The GM Janesville plant made trucks mostly, did some retooling to makes SUVs – still mainly the big ones, the Suburban and the next size down (don’t remember the name). Then they did more retooling to try to do more of the crossover type of vehicles (which are somewhat smaller than what they had made in the past) and the State of Wisconsin gave GM $10 million to try to help them out with the agreement that if they did not stay open for a specific period of time that GM would have to pay the $ back. Most of the employees (not all) were offered jobs at other factories (not so easy to pick up and move when the economy is sh**ty) so many of them did not move. So the plant was put on a closing schedule (one of our good friends was a supervisor there) and they may say the plant closed in 2008 but there were still employees working there in 2009 – just not the full assembly line for multiple shifts as had been the case. So you could say the plant closed in 2008 when the majority of the union workers were let go or you could say they closed in 2009 when all employees and the plant was finally shuttered.
I realize this happened on Day 1 of the convention but how about that nimrod from Yahoo making the comment he did. I understand ABC threw him under the bus because they have had so much bad press lately.
Should have figured Pam would know. So -and just theory- Paul Ryan’s inclusion of this in his prepared speech may be much like the “bias of perspective” that we see with many journalists. He represents that district and his constituents are naturally familiar with all of the subtexts involved whenever that plant is talked about. Doesn’t occur to him that a national audience won’t necessarily share that perspective.
Paul Ryan repeatedly beseeched the Bush Administration to help keep the plant open, and was met with “market forces” rhetoric. The closing was announced in Oct. 2008. President Obama had nothing to do with this.
Condi replay on Fox. The best of a really good night.
Btw, Mitt “let ‘em go bankrupt” Romney would’ve given Ryan the same market forces answer. Ryan – who voted for the bailout – seems to be complaining that he didn’t get one in time for the plant in his state. I’ll give him credit for consistency, but he was arguing for my POV that sometimes government needs to step in. Is he saying now that Obama blew him off for government help, too? I’m confused.
Ryan took a jab at Bush’s spending, too: “And, frankly, the years before, too.”
The “let then go bankrupt” crowd turned out to be right. The got the bailouts and still went bankrupt.
That’s lovely, but Ryan was a part of “Bush’s spending”. He’s complaining about spending he voted for, and spending that didn’t come his way. This may work for an adoring crowd drowning in his dreamy eyes, but under more critical scrutiny, it doesn’t make a lick of sense.
False argument. Ryan’s fiscal policy is not an extremist one despite Dem claims to the contrary. He’s long been arguing against uncontrolled entitlement and other automatic spending increases, including defence, that compound over time. Pretty simple, really.
There’s nothing false about the argument. He blamed a plant closing on Obama, when in reality his own party was the one that told him to take a “market forces” hike. Coming on television tonight and claiming it’s Obama’s fault the plant closed is a blatant lie.
The recession started on Sep. 15, 2008, and the closing was announced the following month. There wasn’t a soul buying trucks and SUVs by June 2009. The only thing that could have saved that plant was a wholesale takeover by the government, which I trust you would have a problem with. Ryan has been telling this story every day for at least a week, and it’s complete bull.
Now you’re changing subjects. I was commenting on what you said about him being part of Bush’s spending, in response to what I said. And what I said had no relation to the GM plant closing.
I’m trying to stay on topic. You have a habit of moving on when you can’t defend where we started, then claiming you’re right about whatever the next thing was. Ryan is making a false case about the GM plant, and making statements against Bush spending he voted for. Those are facts.
- when you can’t defend where we started-
I’m not so sure I’m defending him. Seems to me, and I could be wrong, that including the part about that plant closing in his speech was dumb. “Technically correct” doesn’t cut it.
Now, many of the people of that district maintained high hopes that the plant closing could be rescinded if the economy improved because, as recently as Sept, 2011, it was still on GM’s “stand-by” status. Like I wrote previously, his remarks may have made perfect sense to people from the area but not to the rest of us.
I don’t know, so I moved on. Now keep up, Idiot.
Oh, one more thing about that:
The clincher of his remarks about the plant closing was that then candidate Obama promised while campaigning to work to keep it open… yadda, yadda. So far I haven’t seen any confirmation of that.
It was a generic reference to “keeping plants like this open for a hundred years”. Which he tried to do by not letting GM sink into bankruptcy with no hope of new investment to bring them back out of it. POTUS did his part; he can’t force the company to open a specific plant. Unless he nationalizes the industry, of couse..
Chris Matthews needs to be put in a different place…..I get the idea of being out with the crowd and part of the action but it doesn’t work when people are yelling out random stuff and interrupting the discussion they are having.
As for the GOP convention in general, I think Condi Rice had the best speech (and she didn’t use a teleprompter). Paul Ryan did a solid job but this doesn’t feel like a strong lead-up to the Presidential nominee. Mitt Romney is going to have to give the speech of his political life to top what we’ve seen so far. In the end I doubt many people will remember either convention but I think there’s a danger in the GOP falling too far in love with Paul Ryan like they did with Sarah Palin…..it shows the weakness of the Presidential candidate.
Ryan skinned Obama, hung him up to the scorn of the light of day, and looked like a nice guy doing it. Pretty impressive.
We need one other source to check when the GM plant closed. Can someone else check it out please? I’m weary of factchecking Mr. Know-it-all as he says is required.
War on women? If you looked and listened to the strong, vibrant women showcased by this convention, you see a party with women as leaders, not war victims.
Pam, lots of liberal journalists defending the bus hit and run victim
@Larry_Kelly it is obvious to people who know @DavidChalian that he doesn’t hate anybody.
07:22 PM – 29 Aug 12 via web
I guess I’m a day late, but I actually watched MJ yesterday, where they stated that Ann Romney’s and Chris Christie’s speeches were not that great, at least as compared to Sarah Palin’s in 2008.
What? Since when did ANYONE on MSNBC have anything nice to say about Sarah? They hated and ridiculed her at every turn, now she’s the paragon of political speakers? PLEASE!
“Milwaukee Journal Sentinel says the Janesville auto plant “was idled in 2009.” Not 2008.”
^^ The article says it shut down SUV production in 2008 but it took a few months to finally idled the plant 2009 after completing work on another model. The decision to close the plant was made in 2008 if not earlier.
Larry; so I guess the comment made is what someone who, when in his elitist little group of friends/colleagues, even when he is near an open mic, feels comfortable saying just to get those warm fuzzies from all of those around him? I think it shows more someones true character than anything. But that’s just me!
Missy: I saw MJ yesterday, too and I thought the same thing. Some how they think if they sya something nice now about a Republican it will help clear the slate for all those that were sitting around when those comments were made. i.e. Chuck Todd, David Gregory, Mika baby, and was John Heileman there, too?
I agree, I call BS on the whole gang of them.
“They hated and ridiculed her at every turn, now she’s the paragon of political speakers?”
^^ No one ever said she wasn’t a great speech-maker or not charismatic. She was ridiculed for her crazy ideas and her lack of basic knowledge on most subjects.
Wait… I’ve got a question about consistency here.
Apparently, the plant was announced to be closed in 2008, but not actually closed until 2009. Some say, that means it’s Obama’s fault (because he was in charge when it actually closed), and some say, “No, the decision was made before he was in power.
Let’s compare this to the Iraq situation, where in 2008 Bush signed documents to have the US withdraw by Dec 2011. Obama continued that in his administration, and frequently gets credit for withdrawing US troops from Iraq.
So which is it? If Obama is responsible for the plant closing, he also gets credit for getting people out of Iraq. If Obama isn’t responsible for the plant closing, credit goes to Bush for ending in Iraq.
You know what you get when you put lipstick on a Fritz?… Hockey puck…(red one)
Dancing on the head of a pin… bottom line, Obama promised to restore the economy, and he has been an utter failure. Fire him before he can fail again.
Ms. Rice on America: ‘Ours has never been a narrative of grievance and entitlement. We have not believed that I am doing poorly because you are doing well. We have not been jealous of one another and never been envious of each other’s success,’ she said to more cheers. ‘Ours has been a belief in opportunity.’
Missy, after Romney’s speech tonight, the MSNBC crew will be praising George W. Bush’s oratorical skills!
“This guy is worse than the last guy, but better than the next one,” is the motto of most partisan media coverage, irrespective on side.
Ignoring the killing of bin Laden is a nice touch..
Do you really want to get into that, now that the real story is coming out about how Obama had to be pushed into it – after wimping out 3 times?
Missy, after Romney’s speech tonight, the MSNBC crew will be praising George W. Bush’s oratorical skills!
Sort of like how during GWB’s presidency, the media and leftists recast Reagan as a brilliant moderate, instead of the right-wing dolt they joyfully depicted him as being from the late 70s until GWB.
Comparing an auto-plant closing to ending a war is silly. Iraq ended on a time-table George Bush signed on for. The chances of that going straight to hell after he left office were very high. The new President managed to keep it together under much pressure from many sides. He did a good job, and Bush was credited with his part in it.
As for the timeline of the plant closing, it was amply discussed and linked last night. The decision to close was made in 2008, and the only thing that could have saved it in the depths of the recession in June 2009 was a massive infusion of government cash. Based on Paul Ryan’s history of asking the Bush Administration for exactly that throughout 2008 – and being rebuffed for it – the only logical conclusion is that Ryan is angry Obama didn’t take this step. He has every right to feel this way, but I would imagine the convention-goers didn’t know that’s what he’s pissed about.
Here is the Bush administration praising GM for “adapting well” by closing the Janesville plant http://bit.ly/OLMdaf
the only thing that could have saved it in the depths of the recession in June 2009 was a massive infusion of government cash
Too bad they weren’t one of the Obama administration’s favored pets!
About all Obama did for the killing of Osama is finally getting forced to give the go-ahead and then clamping on the heroism on our Seals to take credit and put them in harms way by yacking about details.
Thanks everyone. I thought I was hearing things. But wait; it’s just MSNBC – why am I surprised about spin?
BTW, I asked you about Facenbook “friends” a few weeks ago – liberals, who made up stuff that I would refute. I deleted them all, so problem solved!
And I am NOT a big Facebook user; I just go there every few days to see the posts of politicians, PACs, etc. to which I have subscribed.
Hopefully Mitt will “get ‘er done” tonight!
Too bad they weren’t one of the Obama administration’s favored pets!
I’d love to hear you explain how Obama demanding one specific plant re-open is a free market approach. It’s clear from Sam Stein’s link that GM considered that SUV/truck plant an obsolete money loser in 2008, and the market showed no hope for that changing in 2009.
You can complain all you want about the government not doing enough to shore up that plant, but you better be willing to admit you’re arguing my side of the fence while you’re at it. The plant closed according to free market priciples. Principles the Bush Administration confronted a protesting Paul Ryan with.
Sadly KFC just closed in my town. Free market principles, or the grease just killed too many customers, or It wasn’t one of Michelle’s favorites?
Hopefully a Chick-fil-a will open in their place, Larry!
Liberals wouldn’t be fighting about when Janesville jobs were lost if Obama created enough to replace them.
Virtually every town in Northeastern Ohio over population 5,000 now has a Mexican restaurant owned by Latinos. They pay a visit and offer a price to take over an existing struggling eatery with an offer they can’t refuse. Menu, food, atmosphere always identical. ICE has been busy lately busting some for undocumented workers. That creates an uproar in a small community as their kids are in the schools, and who doesn’t like a good chicken chiimichanga. I’ve bought RosetaStone is see if the waiters are making fun of me while serving the chips and salsa.
“Sort of like how during GWB’s presidency, the media and leftists recast Reagan as a brilliant moderate, instead of the right-wing dolt they joyfully depicted him as being from the late 70s until GWB.” – boogiewoogee
And Ron Reagan, who appears often on Hardball, along with Chris Matthews, tries to sell the viewers that his dad was a moderate and would never recognize the current Republican party. I’d like to hear young Ron explain his dad’s “welfare queen” remark or liberals’ charge that the senior Reagan did very little, very late about the AIDS epidemic or his mom’s endorsement of Mitt Romney. Unfortunately, the older son, Michael, bears the brunt of his father’s conservative faults. AIDS activists still scream at Michael about his father; I don’t think they would ever do the same to Ron because Ron is and always was a liberal.
Excerpted text of Rep. Paul Ryan’s RNC speech:
President Barack Obama came to office during an economic crisis, as he has reminded us a time or two. Those were very tough days, and any fair measure of his record has to take that into account. My home state voted for President Obama. When he talked about change, many people liked the sound of it, especially in Janesville, where we were about to lose a major factory.
A lot of guys I went to high school with worked at that GM plant. Right there at that plant, candidate Obama said: “I believe that if our government is there to support you … this plant will be here for another hundred years.” That’s what he said in 2008.
Well, as it turned out, that plant didn’t last another year. It is locked up and empty to this day. And that’s how it is in so many towns today, where the recovery that was promised is nowhere in sight.
Ryan did not claim that President Obama is responsible for the Janesville plant’s closing. His point is that Obama’s promises are hollow and that his policies continue to make matters worse.
Remember, he’s not a journalist. He’s a JournoList.
PS: Lost power for about 15 hours thanks to Isaac. What’d I miss?
Oh please. The clear implication is that Obama is responsible for the plant closing. He made that “100 years” statement in Feb. ’08, seven months before the economy collapsed; eight months before the plant closing was announced; and no amount of “being Presidential” was going to turn a cataclysmic worldwide recession around in time to prevent the doors being locked for the final time six months after Inaugeration. This is a ridiculous argument.
you missed liberals trying to dance on the head of a pin to blunt Ryan’s speech. Al, just threw their sharpest pin in a haystack.
Obama promised better times. Only a bird brain would not hold the worthless phoney to it.
Times are better now than when he started. There’s not much more you can promise than that in a global economy that damn near stopped existing in 2008. You can ask for more; you can say John McCain would have done better; but you can’t ignore reality. That plant is gone because the auto market drastically changed in 2008, and it wasn’t prepared to deal with it at that time without a massive infusion of cash that GM didn’t consider a wise investment. If you’re going to believe in unregulated free market philosophies, you’re going to have to accept the outcome of said.
If greenie-the-fool hadn’t thrown so much money down a rat hole…
Times are better now than when he started. There’s not much more you can promise than that in a global economy that damn near stopped existing in 2008.
You sure can. Look at the Reagan recovery. Look at the 41/Clinton recovery. Heck, look at the 43 recovery. All quicker, more dynamic, and better than the ObamaBoom.
You don’t get congratulated for stopping the bleeding if it’s because the patient dies.
Farris, none of those Presidents faced what we’re still dealing with today. I’m 50-years-old..I lived through all of those times. This mess is a whole new level of trouble only – and barely – surpassed by the Great Depression. I know people want to bury their heads in the sand and pretend it’s just another downturn, and it would all be better if my guy was in office instead of yours, but that’s fantasy.
It’s bad; it could’ve been worse; and whoever has it dumped in his lap the next four years deserves all our prayers and support. In my opinion, the loser in Nov. is the lucky one..
^ This recession was barely surpassed by the great depression.
You cannot possibly be serious.
Yesterday, not only did LOD talk himself into believing Mitch McConnell mentioned Tiger Woods but Chris Matthews talked himself into believing he lives in Washington D.C.
These guys are awesome. Remember the commercials from the 80′s equating a fried egg with your brain on drugs? Well, take a gander at MSNBC and you’ll see what it looks like having a brain hooked on racism.
You cannot possibly be serious.
You’re damn right I’m serious. The only reason we have an economic system left in this country is because two Presidents and the congress took action.
Times are better now than when he started
No, times are not better. Deficit spending is through the roof, the national debt has ballooned to $16 Trillion with a rate of growth that is accelerating, and the unemployment rate if based upon the same sized labour force that existed when he took office is above 11%, without factoring-in the underemployed. And the underlying cause of the financial meltdown still has not been properly fixed. Fuel prices are horrendously high and that is making grocery prices very difficult for people to afford.
If you want to blame the recession on excessive spending during the Bush years then it’s very hard to make a rational argument that the solution would be to spend a buttload more.
Apparently, Jeb Bush is going to defend his brother during his speech tonight. The analysis from MSNBC will definitely be must see TV. Speaking of, did anyone see David Corn go ballistic last night when Matthews’ praised Condi? Well, it will be that on a larger scale times 5 more people.
Nobody can credibly claim that MSNBC is anything other than a political operation or a super PAC. And, to compare them to FNC is insane.
“Verdict: True, but incomplete.”
They’re wrong. Ryan picked one sentence from Feb. ’08 and dropped it into a narrative that has the President responsible for a GM plant closing. That’s a lie.
Of course it is. I expected no other response.
The analysis from MSNBC will definitely be must see TV.
The Cycle already pre-analyzed it: According to them, there hasn’t been a convention that ignored the same-party President since 1968 and Lyndon Johnson.
Of course, that’s nothing compared to the Convention we’re about to see in Charlotte, which ignores the CURRENT administration because, you know, MItt Romney gives people cancer.
PS: FEMA’s last website update? Almost 24 hours ago. Heck of a job, Barry!
Of course it is. I expected no other response.</I.
You've had plenty of time to read the links, and my well-reasoned arguments, and you come up with "partially true" as an excuse to let Ryan off the hook. 'Cause who cares? Obama bad!
” that’s nothing compared to the Convention we’re about to see in Charlotte, which ignores the CURRENT administration because, you know, MItt Romney gives people cancer.”
“True, but incomplete”. As opposed to Ryan being a lying liar who lies. And Romney bad. And things are better, even though they’re worse. And “well reasoned” is an overly generous assessment.
And “well reasoned” is an overly generous assessment.
Hey, I put a lot of effort into keeping my head and walking through that calmly last night. I don’t appreciate your condescension.
Lonestar, is that really true that Jeb is going to defend W tonight? I saw an interview with Jeb on TV, or I read it online, or maybe I just dreamed it (as Greg Gutfeld would say), in which Jeb said the theme of his speech will be education.
It’ll be nice to see someone speak well of GW. The Left’s assessment of his Presidency is generally BS.
And unrebutted by gutless Republicans.
Fascinating thing about the Ryan fact-check: If you want to check Ryan’s implication, it means strictly checking Obama’s exact words.
But if you’re checking Ryan’s exact words, it means you object to Obama’s implication (not his exact words).
If you check Ryan’s exact words AND Obama’s exact words, they’re both true. If you check both implications, they’re both false.
Politifact’s response depends on accepting Obama’s EXACT WORDS but not Paul Ryan’s. For him, they read “implication”.
From what I’ve read, he’s going to spend some time defending his brother from the daily attacks by Obama. But, I’ve also read that the theme of his speech will be education. Maybe he can give the President an education on taking some responsibility.
It’s been revealed: Clint Eastwood is the “mystery speaker” tonight. He will speak before Sen. Rubio. Eastwood is apparently a friend of the Romneys.
Ryan’s “implication” is that Obama promised to keep that plant open, but his policies broke that promise. It’s a factless mishmash of words jammed together to tell a bedtime story to an adoring crowd. It’s insulting to everyone’s intelligence.
Well, we wouldn’t want to insult anyone’s Intellegent here. Andy, take the day off.
Clint “Detroit is back” Eastwood is going to speak for Mitt “let ‘em go bankrupt” Romney. If you put that plot point in a novel, the editor would yank it for unbelievability.
I’d love to hear you explain how Obama demanding one specific plant re-open is a free market approach.
I’d love to hear you explain how Obama giving Solyndra all that money is a free market approach.
Times are better now than when he started
Really? When fewer Americans have jobs now than they did before Obama’s coronation, you can say that???
To the simple folk “let ‘em go bankrupt” is the same as “let ‘em go out of business” which Mitt wouldn’t have let happen. The bankruptcey would just not have been government managed with the Unions getting sweetheart deals and investors (little old ladies and pensioners) getting bupkis. Taxpayers would have still supplied support but not been out so much. Us owners of GM have seen the stock stink up the place.
^ Exactly right.
Article 1, Section 8, Clause 4 of the US constitution requires uniform laws on bankruptcy be followed. In the case of GM’s bankruptcy, that basic requirement was substantially ignored and the fall-out from it is a loss of confidence that lawful and long-held means of securing debt will be honoured. This unintended consequence has the potential to limit economic expansion for decades.
The truly sad part is that it wasn’t done to help people, as most of the average workers and small-time investors who were affected got screwed. This was done solely and soullessly for short-term political gain.
So MSNBC says that Chris Christie is a failure because he’s out there warming up the crowd when his job is to … warm up the crowd.
I’m watching FOX and looking at the heartbreaking video of towns underwater. Some people have lost everything for a SECOND time. When is President Obama going to visit the area? When is the media going to demand it?
Maybe he’ll fly over in AIRFORCE ONE and peek out the window.
When is President Obama going to visit the area?
Katrina hit on a Monday morning. By Wednesday, the press was demanding “Where’s Bush?”. He finally visited Friday.
By that timeline, the calls for Obama’s visit should start tomorrow. If he’s not here by Sunday…
Has anybody sample CURRENT coverage? If so, has Gore lost a few pounds?
During Special Report Brett Baier asked Ryan the fact-check question citing reports that plant closed in ’08 during Bush administration. Instead of using the opportunity to quibble over details, Ryan went straight into reiterating his real point of Obama’s broken promises. This guy is good.
So South Louisiana has built up this reputation over decades that everyone who lives here is an awesome cook. So, of course, tonight everyone is lining up to eat out at any restaurant they can find that’s open.
What’s the matter people, you can’t eat your own self-prepared meals for TWO DAYS?!?
Current is prolly why MSNBC recently came (almost) all the way out of the closet to brand itself a POV channel instead of a news channel, and why some of its hosts seem to look for reasons to launch into a tirade.
A restaurant meal may not seem like much but those few minutes’ respite can be a Godsend after 36 hours of having your (city) block knocked around.
I really want to try crawfish.
That is all.
The only thing I miss about Florida is good seafood at the crappiest restaurant.
What he said.
So the auto companies would have magically re-emerged from bankruptcy all by their lonesomes, without anyone to invest in them. How do you figure that was going to happen?
I can’t believe I agree with Chris Matthews – he thought Jeb’s speech was excellent and he said he’s in favor of school choice. After Jeb spoke, the MSNBC panel got into a heated argument (Matthews, Sharpton, Hayes, and Schultz) about school choice. When they had to go to commercial Chris said, I’m sorry, I don’t agree with you guys on this one; I don’t agree with the teachers’ union.
When you are without power, without hot water or perhaps any water and the snakes are coming up to say hello, going to a restaurant seems great, and you can make that last cup of coffee lasts an hour.
The chef at the best restaurant in my town is from New Orleans and always has a Fat Tuesday dinner menu with great gumbo, crayfish, and other good cooking from his home.
O’Reiley just wondered out loud “When Sandra Fluke speaks at the Democratic Convention, what is going to drop from the ceiling?”
So the auto companies would have magically re-emerged from bankruptcy all by their lonesomes
I don’t know. Let’s ask Ford…
Yeah, Bill O’Reilly is always the first person you want to see being a jerk to a younger woman..
Most people don’t remember what happened six months ago, let alone a harassment suit from the better part of a decade. Dems oughta own it and have condom-balloons.
I don’t know. Let’s ask Ford…
I realize you’re not going to remember this, but Ford was in financial trouble much earlier than GM and Chrysler due to an insane spending spree on car companies in the late ’90s/early ’00s, so were already deep into a company-salvaging program when the bottom fell out for everyone else. Perversely, they were in better shape in ’08 because of going in the dumper so much earlier.
Now, let’s try again. GM and Chrysler go bankrupt..no reinvestment on the horizon. Where would they be now?
As I said before (see above) MITT WOULD HAVE PROVIDED TAXPAYER ASSISTANCE, just not in the way Obama did it.
So a bailout was ok, Obama just did it wrong. How convenient.
Well, that’s my stance.
But what Obama did was certainly better than letting GM and Chysler go out of business.
Ding ding ding! We have a winner!
Now, on to that Reaganesque Mitt Romney speech. Question: Who’s brilliant idea was it to send Republicans to MSNBC today trying to connect Mitty to The Gipper? If they’re trying to lower expectations, they’re doing it wrong.
GM and Chrysler go bankrupt… Where would they be now?
Same place American Airlines is today: operating. Bankruptcy is not a guaranteed death knell. Many companies emerge and go on to become insanely profitable. … Or … you could do it the Obama way and make things worse while wasting our tax dollars.
“Of course we all know Biden is the intellect of the Democratic Party.”
23 million unemployed! He just has not done the job! We have to let him go! Amen Brother!