Free for All: 09/21/12

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  1. I thought you might have died.

  2. TMZ has learned Mitt Romney’s son Tagg — who had twins this year through a surrogate — signed an agreement that gave the surrogate, as well as Tagg and his wife, the right to abort the fetuses in non-life threatening situations … and Mitt Romney covered some of the expenses connected with the arrangement … and it may boil down to an incredibly stupid mistake.

    The twin boys — David Mitt and William Ryder — were born on May 4, 2012. We’ve learned Tagg and his wife Jen, along with the surrogate and her husband, signed a Gestational Carrier Agreement dated July 28, 2011. Paragraph 13 of the agreement reads as follows:

    “If in the opinion of the treating physician or her independent obstetrician there is potential physical harm to the surrogate, the decision to abort or not abort is to be made by the surrogate.”

    Translation: Tagg and Jen gave the surrogate the right to abort the fetuses even if her life wasn’t in danger. All the surrogate has to show is “potential physical harm,” which could be something like preeclampsia — a type of high blood pressure that could damage the mother’s liver, kidney or brain, but is not necessarily life-threatening.

    Paragraph 13 goes on:

    “In the event the child is determined to be physiologically, genetically or chromosomally abnormal, the decision to abort or not to abort is to be made by the intended parents. In such a case the surrogate agrees to abort, or not to abort, in accordance with the intended parents’ decision.”

    And there’s another relevant provision in Paragraph 13:

    “Any decision to abort because of potential harm to the child, or to reduce the number of fetuses, is to be made by the intended parents.”

    Translation: Tagg and his wife, Jen, had the right to abort the fetuses if they felt they would not be healthy.

    Sources connected with Mitt Romney tell TMZ, Mitt was involved in the surrogate arrangement because he paid some of the expenses connected with the agreement. We do not know if Mitt Romney read the contract or knew the terms.

    Mitt has said, “I’m in favor of abortion being legal in the case of rape and incest and the health and life of the mother.” Otherwise, Romney is against abortion.

    Now for the stupid mistake. We’ve learned Tagg chose the same surrogate in 2009, who gave birth to a boy. Attorney Bill Handel — a nationally-known expert in surrogacy law who put the deal together between Tagg and the surrogate — tells TMZ when the 2009 contract was drafted there was no Paragraph 13 providing for abortion because Tagg and his wife didn’t want it.

    Handel says in 2011, when the second contract was being drafted, everyone involved “just forgot” to remove Paragraph 13. Handel says, “No one noticed. What can I say?”

    Something tells me FNC won’t be touching this one at all!

  3. I saw this article but the story was so sleazy i didn’t want to bring it up here. It reminds me of the Palin stories about her kids in ’08’.

    The Obama campaign will go nowhere near this story and I doubt neither will CNN or MSNBC unless it becomes a big MSM story; which is unlikely.

    Contrary to the what the article says I think it humanizes Romney and therefore it may appear on FNC, as a way to blame Obama for leaking it after some far left blog comments on the article negatively.

    We’ll see. personally I want this to just go away.

  4. I would be interested to hear what Palin thinks about it. I mean, she’s against abortion and has a kid with downs.

  5. Rev. Al Sharpton is speaking today to express his support for Question 6 (Civil Marriage Protection Act) in Maryland.

    MSNBC doesn’t have a problem with this?

  6. I love it when Remi talks in his ‘admin type tone’ the only thing he’s missing is the title. Its not too late to start your own blog and talk to yourself, loser.

  7. I don’t see MSNBC, CNN, FOX or the Obama campaign touching that with a ten foot pole.

  8. I criticized Alice Stewart for being a “Santorum-bot”, but at least she was repeating solid talking points from a candidate who knew what he believed, and stuck with it to the detriment of his campaign at times. Watching her try to defend Mitt Romney is depressing.

  9. I second the Joe “CAPS motion”.

  10. And now, the “religion of peace” brings a DAY of LOVE.

    About 60 percent of Malaysia’s 28 million people are Malay-Muslims.

    Protesters shouted “Allahu Akbar” (God is greatest) and held up signs denouncing the film, America and Jews.

    One placard read: “Obama, our patience has its limit. Don’t blame us if your citizens die. Blame yourself. U started it!”

    “like sand in your underpants, these are the days of our love”

  11. caps321 Says:
    September 21, 2012 at 6:43 am

    Something tells me FNC won’t be touching this one at all!

    Anyone with an ounce of decency, common sense, or humanity won’t touch it.

    caps321 Says:
    September 21, 2012 at 7:30 am

    I would be interested to hear what Palin thinks about it.

    Reeeent freeeee.

    You have quickly established yourself as the most lunatic poster on this site! Congrats! When both Fritz and Joe are saying, “You’re too far out there,” you know you must be somewhere in orbit.

    I’m sure you could find a cave out there, so you can quietly rock back and forth, muttering about “Palin” to yourself. Really, anywhere away from a keyboard would be just great.

  12. The CW was that Romney would outspend Obama in the campaign and, in particular, use his healthy financial advantage late in the race to attack the President and rehabilitate/varnish his own image.

    Apparently, that’s not going to happen:

    “Through the end of August, Romney’s campaign and the party committees and super PAC supporting it had raised $736 million, compared to $774 million raised by Obama’s campaign and its party and super PAC allies…”

    I think this is a pretty big story. Boring, yeah, but big.

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/81499.html

  13. The even bigger story is that Democrats might make gains in the House and Senate, as well as Obama likely will be re-elected, despite Citizens United.

    The question is will Republicans realize that appeasing the TEA Party is hurting them or will they veer even harder to the right?

  14. Yeah, we’re losing because we’re too conservative. Because that’s Romney’s problem.

  15. In typical ImNotBlue ‘fashion’ he fails to address the topic at hand..

    How FNC of you!

    Oh yeah, in other news — I read recently Chick Filet was going to stop funding anti-G groups. Guess that means they ‘sorta’ flip flopped because it was hurting their pocketbook, eh?

  16. “Watching her try to defend Mitt Romney is depressing.”

    ^^ I thought the same thing when watching her on Thomas Roberts show this morning. When you compare her to a real pro spinner like Babe Buchanan she sounds like Hal in 2001 – A Space Odyssey. You need to put the talking points in your own voice not just memorize recite the script.

  17. ^^memorize and recite sorry

  18. erich, the cash on hand numbers should cheer you up.

  19. In other news ImNotBlue and FNC doesn’t wanna talk about:

    Ex-soldier and father of two who posed with Sarah Palin ‘sold girl, 14, as stripper and prostitute after he drugged and raped her’

    A combat war veteran allegedly raped a 14-year-old girl and turned her into a stripper and prostitute.

    Nathan Tatarko, 30, from Fort Worth, Texas, was arrested and charged with human trafficking and sexual assault.

    According to police, Tatarko drove up to the girl outside a local shopping last month and offered her a ride.

    Police Sgt. Pedro Criado said that while the teen willingly got into Tatarko’s car, the 30-year-old took advantage of her by plying the girl with alcohol and having sex with her.

    The Iraq and Afghanistan war veteran then had the girl perform striptease and solicit sex for money until the girl was rescued by police, officials said.

    dailymail.co.uk has a ‘great’ photo of FNC’s own Sarah posing with this freak.

  20. Doesn’t most of that RNC cash have to go to Congressional candidates? Or does?

    IOW, can you include that in Romney’s camp?

    Yeah, green eyeshade time.

  21. Scratch that. It’s the Republican Congressional National Committee – the RNCC that spends on Congressional elections.

    The RNC can spend on Romney’s campaign.

    Too much inside baseball….


  22. caps321 Says:
    September 21, 2012 at 9:12 am

    In typical ImNotBlue ‘fashion’ he fails to address the topic at hand.

    And here I thought the topic was you being devoid of decency, a political hack, and generally obsessed with Sarah Palin.

    Wait… let me re-read your original post, follow up post, and new post… aaaaand yup, I was right.

    I’m sure KOS appreciates your brand of insanity and nastiness. But it’s not really the MO for this site. Perhaps it’s time you shove off.

  23. “Doesn’t most of that RNC cash have to go to Congressional candidates?”

    ^^ That would seem to be the most sensible way to spend the money. Personally I hope they spend it all on Romney.

  24. It’s striking to watch Paul Ryan address AARP about Medicare. I’d like to proactively smack the people who try to blame him if Romney loses. The problem is not having a coherent message, and Ryan is not the problem.

  25. ImNotBlue – The topic was Romney’s hypocrisy on a key republican talking point which is pro-life. Not sure why everything has to be spelled out for you to understand. Unless of course that’s just your way of burning rubber. Btw, not sure of what this ‘KOS’ is but I’m sure its something a democrat would know, no?

    Can I vacation at your cabin, Larry Kelly? Maybe you can fix me dinner? Well, that’s assuming your not one of those tv dinner republicans that can only stand being away from FNC for 3.5 minutes.

  26. Oh goody. Fox is having Michael Reagan on to criticize Obama (I know, right?), and give us his 89th installment of “What Would Reagan Do?”.

  27. Greta went on a bit of a rant, in her blog, over Ted Koppel’s assertion that MSM news anchors aren’t biased. I tend to agree with her point that they are; at least sublimely.

    The thing I wonder is how does she square her views with the FNC spin their ‘news anchors’ are ‘fair and balanced”. If Jim Lehrer and Bran Williams are biased then what does that say for Bret Baier and Shep Smith?

    I expect her post won’t be all that well received at FOX News HQ.

  28. wait, so someone who took a picture with Palin got in trouble, and we’re supposed to hold it against her?!?

    In other news, hey: it turns out Romney isn’t Jon Corzine after all. Will the media force Harry Reid, DWS, Steph Cutter et al to apoligize?

  29. caps321 Says:
    September 21, 2012 at 10:03 am

    ImNotBlue – The topic was Romney’s hypocrisy on a key republican talking point which is pro-life.

    Oooh… no, sorry. That was the topic YOU decided we were talking about. Thankfully, you don’t control this site or what we talk about. I wasn’t really interested in talking about the lunatic and unprovoked attack on Romney VIA HIS CHILDREN… because, well “lunatic and unprovoked.” Your issues aren’t my, or anyone else’s for that matter, problem.

    Btw, not sure of what this ‘KOS’ is but I’m sure its something a democrat would know, no?

    Similarly, your ignorance isn’t an excuse either. Now run along.

  30. Ted Koppel’s assertion that MSM news anchors aren’t biased.

    Hardly a rant, she wrote what is simply a self-evident truth. Even a quick reading will also show that Ms. Van Susteren did not claim cable news anchors, FNC or any other, to be unbiased.

    “The goal is to do the best you can to be fair” pretty much sums up her point, and Koppel’s ‘holier than thou’ assertion is delusional.

  31. ^^Nice try Al. My point was that FNC is ‘holier than thou’ about how ‘fair and balanced’ or unbiased their straight news anchors are. Greta is saying they aren’t which is not exactly sticking to the party line. You can’t have it both ways.

    BTW farris Romney’s summery of past years taxes has just as much relevance as the Harry Reid’s comment he may have not paid any taxes. Romney provably lied about his taxes in Massachusetts and therefore he has no credibility now unless he produces the actual files.

  32. Not quite, Fritz. You wondered, “how does she square her views with the FNC spin their ‘news anchors’ are ‘fair and balanced” and her words spell that out quite succinctly.

    That you may disagree with how well they meet their own challenge is another matter entirely.

  33. I really am not intending to pick on you today, Fritz. Honest.

    Having said that, “Romney provably lied about his taxes in Massachusetts” has to be one of the dumbest things I’ve heard so far this week. Thus, I assume our dear Fritz picked that up from some dope somewhere. As is the case with most states that have income taxes, Mass has a single tax rate with very few allowable deductions separate from federal tax law, and its version of the tax return is based upon specific entries made on the federal 1040 form.

    Such tax frauds are among the easiest for revenue agents to discover and prosecute.

  34. Fritz is careless. He needs to measure his words as I do.

  35. No problem Al. You never do personal attacks and we will and have disagreed amiably.

    In 2002 Romney told the press he had lived in Mass. for the past seven years and was thus eligible to run for Governor of the state. Turns out his principal residence for the two years just before he ran he had put on his tax forms as Utah. He lied. He was able to go back and change his residence to Mass. after the facts came out. The same thing occurred in 2010 where he said lived in his sons unfinished basement when in fact he lived in California. He lied.

    Romney is a serial liar and I don’t think he even knows it.

  36. Mitt Romney’s fatal flaw boils down to one thing: That’s one bizarre dude.

  37. Sounds like state of residency is only an issue for Democrats to critique Republicans on. I seem to remember there was an issue for Rahm baby and his “state of residency” since his tax returns said he lived in DC while he was chief of staff. But low and behold, he got his cronies in Illinois to say that because he owned a house in Illinois that he DID NOT LIVE IN that was good enough for that home to be considered his home so he could run for mayor.

    I know many people who own property in other states that they rent out and they can not consider those homes a place of residence. But, things are DIFFERENT for Democrats, especially in Illinois!

    But, I am going to guess there will nothing to see here for fritz!

    I’m also going to add Obama is a serial liar and I don’t even think he knows it!

  38. ^ Note, the defense of Romney being a liar is to find another liar.

  39. ^Since we have our notepads out let’s also note that 3/4s of your criticism of Romney consist of personal attacks on his character, name and religion.

    Substitute Obama for Romney and you’re doing a great imitation of Rush Limbaugh.

    Congrats. You should get your own radio show.

  40. My opinion on the veracity of LDS has nothing to do with Mitt Romney; any jokes about his name were just that, and it’s been a while; and character is very important in a Presidential election. I have problems with his, or rather, the lack thereof. I was reasonably content to see him win before I got to know him.

  41. That’s one bizarre dude.

    The irony. It kills!

  42. ^ Especially coming fom two people behind one username..

  43. Pam: Rahm’s residency will become an issue if/when he ever runs for POTUS. Last i heard he was Mayor of Chicago.

    Romney called Utah home to avoid taxes. He had to switch when he found out he couldn’t run for Mass. Governor unless you had lived there for seven years. So he altered his residency retroactively, paid the extra Mass. taxes and lied about it to the press. It’s why no one believes him now. He’s a liar who will tell you whatever he thinks you want to hear.

  44. I’m having a hard time following it, but apparently he retroactively amended his 2011 tax return to get the tax liability up to 14.1%, thereby matching his ealier statement that he never paid less than 13.9. He ditched a deduction that would have dropped it to 9%. And the beautiful thing is, he has 3 years to “re-amend”, which means that if he loses the lection (or even if he wins), he can change his mind and get the deduction back.

    Then there’s the matter of this return being a huge morass of offshore accounts designed to hide money from the government. You know, the one that’s in debt and could use a little revenue. But poor people aren’t paying enough taxes…

  45. @fritz

    When it was painfully obvious that Obama was lying to the public (about the influence of Rev. Wright, and what he heard)… what was your reaction to the charges that he was/is a liar?

  46. Interesting tidbit about Romney’s taxes is that; after the election in November; when Romney has readjusted his 2011 taxes to put back the legal tax deductions he didn’t take advantage of in the version of his taxes released today; his tax rate will drop to 10%-12% from the 14% it stands at today. The thinking is that he wanted a tax rate now above the 13% the told ABC would be the rate this summer.

    The problem is that any idiot can see what he’s doing and it will be a 3-5 day news cycle story taking us into next week with negative stories about Mitt’s taxes. Once you start lying it’s hard to keep your stories straight.

  47. IMB : Rev Wright! That’s the best you got! Really!!! :-)

  48. LOD beat Greta again last night in the demo; four nights in a row. It’s starting to look like a trend. Maddow’s numbers also look to be up and she’s breathing down Hannity’s neck. .

    The weekly PT demo numbers are going to be interesting this week.

  49. Bil Ayers! Spread the wealth around! They know he already won once, right..?

  50. Last night’s SNL Weekend Update special will be on MSNBC tonight at 10est.

  51. I have homes in two states, have income in both states, and meet residency requirements in both. Once my returns had to be amended to change residency and I didn’t lie to anyone, just forgot to tell accountant that I had my licenses and voting registration changed for reasons that had nothing to do with taxes.

    I noticed the problem when I had the forms in front of me to sign. The advice given is that there’s no crime in making a mistake and correcting it, but since all quarterly payments, etc., went to original state it would be best if I first filed there and then make the change.

    People calling Romney a liar over something so stupid are the pathetic ones.

  52. The problem is that any idiot can see what he’s doing

    Only an idiot would need to wonder. The statement released with his taxes said that’s why he did it.

    Harry Reid lied. Again.

  53. SNL
    Once a funny, politically balanced show is now pretty much the “comedy” branch of the DNC.

  54. “People calling Romney a liar over something so stupid are the pathetic ones.”

    ^^ Gee Al and after I just complimented you about not doing personal attacks.

    It’s nice that your rich and have two homes but your tax problems have no relevance to the election.

    Romney lied about his taxes and dozens of other things, but your free to vote for whomever you like; unless of course your old or black and live in one of the states practicing voter suppression. ;-)

  55. MSNBC Live will be running again this weekend until 5pm.

  56. And right now, they’re airing SNL. Is MSNBC on drugs?

  57. NYT: “Thousands” of Libyans angered at the killing of a popular American ambassador marched Benghazi today.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/22/world/africa/pro-american-libyans-besiege-militant-group-in-benghazi.html?_r=0

  58. “And right now, they’re airing SNL. Is MSNBC on drugs?”

    Your choices are SNL rerun or prison doc. It’s a no brainer.

    Greta goes with John Bolton and Allen West; It’s hard to tell which is the parody program.

    I think West just called Obama is worst POTUS ever because of the Libya attack. I guess he GWB & 9/11 doesn’ count. no wonder her demo ratings are starting to tank.

  59. I wonder if anyone will touch Joe Biden’s latest comments.

    “Guess what, the cheerleaders in college are the best athletes in college. You think, I’m joking, they’re almost all gymansts [sic], the stuff they do on hard wood, it blows my mind.” – Joe Biden

    Almost as good as GWB’s OBGYN comment.

  60. Sorry, link to Biden story: http://www.politico.com/politico44/…he-best-athletes-in-college-136358.html?hp=l8

    And Bush’s love doctor comment:

  61. Allen West provides nothing productive to the national discourse. Yet he’s on FOX like twice a day.

  62. And right now, they’re airing SNL. Is MSNBC on drugs?

    Media bias.

  63. -Bush’s love doctor comment-

    Hilarious.

  64. Alrighty then.

  65. – Greta —

    Not enough Donald Trump interviews or Rush Limbaugh clips. That’s the ticket.

  66. in 2008 the media was in the tank for Obama. Now they are actually driving the Tank.

    Gee, SNL is in MSNBC, woo woo. Could it be because it fits right in with their mission?

  67. SNL started as a bunch of drug-addled liberal hippies in 1975. Any resemblance to “fair and balanced” content was because everybody hated Jimmy Carter by 1978, and Bill Clinton..well..Bill Clinton.

  68. Isn’t Leno still doing Clinton jokes?

  69. As Conan said several years ago: “Bill Clinton is the gift that just keeps on giving.”

  70. He’s cross-generational. Or something.

  71. In the 2000 election, SNL was as tough on Al Gore as they were on George Bush. Maybe more so.

  72. That’s because Al Gore’s schizophrenic campaign was ripe for comedy. Ya gotta understand something about comics: They don’t give a sh!t. If there’s comedy to be found, they’ll unload their mother. The problem with Obama is, and always has been…he’s not funny.

  73. Bush, on the other hand, was his own writer. “We’re gon kill them terrists real BAD. Now watch this drive.”

  74. ditched a deduction

    Brit Hume‏:
    So Romney gave away 30% of his income and overpaid his taxes. The left sees this as further evidence he’s terrible.


    Seems many didn’t care for SNL having a white guy impersonating Obama, which was sorta dumb since he’s just as much white as he is black.

    Gore set himself up for comedic ridicule with those rosy red Reagan cheeks he sported at one of the debates. I can imagine an aid advising during a practise session, “Just be yourself, Mr. Vice President” which was quickly followed with, “OK, maybe better not do that or you’ll need a ready answer for a Barbara Walters question.”

  75. The makeup and the heavy sighing. Between that and the very presence of GW, those debates were gold.

  76. And if you ever saw Frank Caliendo do Clinton or Bush, they are amazingly similar.

  77. Allen West provides nothing productive to the national discourse. Yet he’s on FOX like twice a day.

    Al Sharpton has been a detriment to this country and adds nothing to the national discourse but hate and division. Yet he has his own MSNBC show.

  78. ^^BW’s So then you agree Allen West adds nothing to the discourse. He and Al Sharpton are the same. Maybe FNC should give West Greta’s show. She seems to be adding little of late.

  79. “The problem with Obama is, and always has been…he’s not funny.”

    ^^ Actually joe as a comic Obama is really quite funny. His comic timing is excellent. but as a subject of humor, you are right, he’s not funny.

    Romney on the other hand has the opposite problem. His comic timing is horrible, but as a subject of humor he’s priceless.

    I’m noting over the last week or so liberals have started to laugh at him rather than being upset or angry at his actions. For example not taking his full tax deductions . Liberal commenters are laughing at this crude and transparent political maneuver rather than being upset over it. For comedians he has reached the same level as Sarah Palin in the last campaign; they just use his own words to get laughs.

    It’s not a good sign for his campaign.

  80. Obama is just so awesome. I hear there is Vanity Fair article out there that confirms it. Anybody know for sure?

  81. fritz3 Says:
    September 21, 2012 at 6:42 pm

    IMB : Rev Wright! That’s the best you got! Really!!!

    It’s just the most obvious lie. Did anyone really believe him when he said, “I had never heard that stuff…

    So answer the question. What was your reaction to that obvious lie? Or is ignoring Democratic lies, part of the reaction?

    fritz3 Says:
    September 21, 2012 at 7:21 pm

    …but your free to vote for whomever you like; unless of course your old or black and live in one of the states practicing voter suppression.

    So if I understand you correctly, everyone is free to vote for who they want, unless they’re part of a group that you believe should only be allowed to vote Liberal, in which case if they don’t they’ll be called traitors, “Uncle Tom,” and too stupid to know what’s good for them. OR, if they live in a state that has mythical voter suppression, which cannot shown to be a realistic concern outside of the left-wing a-scared mind.

    Al Says:
    September 21, 2012 at 10:56 pm

    But are we surprised? Those on the left pretty openly admitted their calls for Romney’s taxes weren’t out of some demand for more transparency, it was because they wanted to attack him for it. No matter what the taxes said, he was going to get beaten up for it. If he pays too much, it’s not enough, only possible because he makes too much, and would try to lower the rate in the future. If he pays too little, he’s a cheat, trying to game the system, and only wants to help his rich buddies.

    There are ethics in the tax situation. But not in this story.

  82. We have pretty much establish here that liberals don’t much let truth get in the way of winning. Whatever it takes.

  83. The link is to Christian Science Monitor, but I’m sure they’re just trying to deflect from Romney’s gaffes.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2012/09/22/cs-monitor-say-this-admission-on-benghazi-terrorist-attack-might-cause-obama-a-few-problems/

  84. And because I haven’t posted nearly enough links, there’s this. More amusing than the last.

    http://www.theonion.com/articles/media-having-trouble-finding-right-angle-on-obamas,2703/

  85. “It’s just the most obvious lie. Did anyone really believe him when he said, “I had never heard that stuff”

    ^^ I do . So sue me.

    “So if I understand you correctly,

    ^^You don’t understand me correctly. The first part of the comment was conditional on the last (see the word “and” that you changed to “or”)

    “everyone is free to vote for who they want, unless they’re part of a group that you believe should only be allowed to vote Liberal, in which case if they don’t they’ll be called traitors, “Uncle Tom,” and too stupid to know what’s good for them.”

    ^^ I never called anyone stupid, traitor or an “Uncle Tom”. You did.

    OR,

    ^^ I said “and”

    “if they live in a state that has mythical voter suppression, which cannot shown to be a realistic concern outside of the left-wing a-scared mind.”

    Voter suppression isn’t mythical – but you know that.

    BTW The comment was a bit of fun (see winking face) that was directed at Al (I started the comment with “Gee Al); who usually has a good sense of humor. You obviously don’t share that trait.

  86. We spend 3 trillion a year. Treasury only collects 2 trillion a year. Alford E. Obama says, “What, me worry?”.

  87. Laura; thanks for the Atlanticwire link. I had heard about the loss of aircraft, in the attack, but hadn’t realized just how serious it was.

    I’m surprised the Romney campaign hasn’t picked up on the story yet and blamed it directly on Obama. I expect that to happen soon now that the story is out there.

  88. fritz3 Says:
    September 22, 2012 at 8:15 am

    ^^ I do . So sue me.

    Sue you? That’s really more of Joe’s territory.

    I’ll just think you’re sad for buying that pathetic lie. But at least it does answer the question… a “lie” from a politician you agree with, becomes the “truth” for you, no matter how illogical or irresponsible. In other words, you don’t appear to be in much of a position to complain about Romney’s “lies.” Stick to, “I don’t like him, because he holds different political beliefs than me.” Listing one of the reasons you dislike him as, “he lies,” is itself, a lie.

    ^^You don’t understand me correctly. The first part of the comment was conditional on the last (see the word “and” that you changed to “or”)

    Oh I see. Your wording confused me… you meant it like this: “unless you live in one of those states practicing voter suppression, and are old or black.” Correct?

    Still stupid, but at least now I understand what you were going for.

    ^^ I never called anyone stupid, traitor or an “Uncle Tom”. You did.

    *Sigh* Right… and all those times I’ve seen other people use those exact words, I must have been imagining it. *Sigh*

    Voter suppression isn’t mythical – but you know that.

    Right… except that there is no actual data to support the suppression idea. Just as we discussed last time, the left is happy to scream, “There is no data to prove there is voter fraud,” the evidence they then site to say, “This will impact turn out,” doesn’t exist. So yes, it is mythical.

    BTW The comment was a bit of fun (see winking face) that was directed at Al (I started the comment with “Gee Al); who usually has a good sense of humor. You obviously don’t share that trait.

    Oh I get it. I just think your ideas are fueled by a political hatred, lack of understanding, and lapse in general ethics or desire for the truth… and wanted to participate in the fun. ;)

    See what I did there?

  89. A random thought. Some day they’re going to discover that saccharine is totally healthy, and all the sweeteners engineered since then will kill us. Us old folks will laugh…
    ———
    And here’s some Onion on the flip-side. http://www.theonion.com/articles/fearless-man-bravely-ventures-out-into-us-economy,29661/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=standard-post:headline:default

  90. President Obama’s Afghanistan policy – the surge ended this week – has been a dismal failure. No one believes, or should, that he is personally responsible for any or every single terror attack against us there.

    But Afghanistan is a mess: the soldiers were are training – and that we’ll turn security over to – are shooting us; the corruption there is as bad as ever; the opium trade flourishes; and the anti-American sentiment in that region has intensified (see the Pew surveys, Fritz).

    Candidate Obama said that Afghanistan was the “right war” and one that “has to be won” (here for example:
    http://www.cfr.org/us-election-2008/obamas-speech-woodrow-wilson-center/p13974). What does he say now? Jake Tapper can’t carry all of this by himself.

    We’re simply not winning a war he said we needed to win.

    That’s a big story and it’s one that the press is simply not covering.

  91. “President Obama’s Afghanistan policy – the surge ended this week – has been a dismal failure.”

    ^^SadlyErich, I have to agree; trying to win the ’08’ election by following the GWB/Cheney neocon policy of the surge was a very bad decision.

    Joe Biden had the right policy; get out, leave only a miniamal force to defend American interests and fight the terrorists with drones and Navy Seal type forces. Obama should have gone with his VP although he was under considerable pressure by the neocons and Defense Dept’. on the right and liberals wanting to not see the country, and particularly its women and children, fall under the control of the Taliban to do the surge. The decision looks like a no brainer now in hindsite but in 2008 that wasn’t the case.

  92. “imnotblue Says:

    September 22, 2012 at 8:37 am”

    ^^ Sorry blue I’m not interested in a long multi comment debate of talking points so you can show how quick witted you are. I’ve said my piece; have at it.

  93. and with a touch of his nose and a ;-) up the chimney he went.

  94. Fritz, it wasn’t just the surge. Obama said repeatedly during the campaign that the Afghan war had to be won, that Bush had dropped the ball with Iraq, and that our security was intertwined with Afghanistan’s.

    He was more hawkish than McCain on the question.

    And right now, the media is not holding him accountable. They’re just not.

    Conservatives go way overboard with claims of press bias. But in this case – so far – they may be right.

  95. ^^Erich: You expected him to say we should lose the war?

    There was an election campaign being waged at the time. In hindsight was a bad decision but McCain would have done the same thing.

    Obama made the decision on the best advice he had at the time. It was debatable decision; yes; but choosing not to do the surge was even more fraught with problems as it would have guaranteed the Taliban took over in Afghanistan. Remember the surge in Iraq was fresh in peoples minds at the time and most experts, including General Petraeus, thought the same policy would work in Afghanistan.

    BTW: I don’t think anyone is more hawkish than John McCain; even Dick Cheney.

  96. Fritz: You’re missing the point.

    If a candidate (any candidate) says that a war is vital to our interests, that we must win it, and that it will be his major national security policy if elected, then I expect him to be held accountable to those statements if he’s president.

    Obama simply hasn’t been held accountable to those promises.

    It’s not a question of McCain or Romney or the man in the moon. It’s a question of holding the president responsible. We didn’t do this with Bush. We didn’t say, “Well he took the advice of his top people.” Okay, but he still made the decision.

    You keep citing the Vanity Fair piece as an example of Obama’s brilliant and detailed response to Libya. He was on top of every question. But in Afghanistan you want to say that he was misled by others. You can’t have it both ways.

    In any case, the media is giving him a pass on this. And they shouldn’t.

  97. “In any case, the media is giving him a pass on this.”

    ^^i don’t agree with that comment.

    The war started under Bush for legimate reasons and wasbadly mishandled by his administration. When Obama took over he decided to do the surge and it was a bad decision. Now there is lots of press on both sides of the political front saying it was a bad decision to not follow the Biden policy.

    i don’t see how he’s been given a pass by the media. Supporters of the policy on te right, McCain etc., want us to stay indefinatly. The few policy supporters on the left are now saying get out as soon as possible and those opposed to the surge in the first place are still opposed and are even more vocal about it.

    The surge didn’t work and Obama is being held accoutable for it. It”s just that most voters realize it was a 50/50 decision made in good faith with the info he had to work with at the time; and that if it were an easy one to make it never would have come to him.

  98. “Now there is lots of press on both sides of the political front saying it was a bad decision to not follow the Biden policy.”

    Bunk.

  99. Erich here’s a link to Romney’s position on the surge in 2009.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/2009/12/07/mitt_romney_on_afghanistan-surge.html

    Interesting.

  100. ^^I give up.; but he was in favor of sending in more troops.

  101. fritz3 Says:
    September 22, 2012 at 9:43 am

    ^^ Sorry blue I’m not interested in a long multi comment debate of talking points so you can show how quick witted you are.

    Hold on, I’ll call you a waaaaaambulance. *Sigh* Another, “I can give it, but can’t take it,” poster.

    fritz3 Says:
    September 22, 2012 at 10:30 am

    ^^Erich: You expected him to say we should lose the war?

    There was an election campaign being waged at the time.

    Weren’t you just humorously complaining about “lies?” Yet again, demonstrating the “When it’s my guy, it’s okay,” political philosophy.

  102. ^^ Whatever blue.

  103. BW’s So then you agree Allen West adds nothing to the discourse. He and Al Sharpton are the same.

    Nope, not at all. Your error in inferring that. Col. West didn’t incite a racially charged crowd to the point that one follower took a gun into a store and started shooting, then set fire to the place, murdering 7 or 8 people.

    Col. West was never part of a fraud that accused innocent men of rape and pushed one of them into suicide.

    Col. West does not extort money from large companies by threatening to publicly brand them as racist.

    Col. West never wore track suits and a pompadour!

  104. Col. West never wore track suits and a pompadour!

    ^^We don’t know that for sure; do we? ;-)

  105. If you can find pics, show ‘em! But don’t me get out the old pics of Fat Al waddling around in his track suit and greasy hair poof! :D

  106. White House Press Secretary Jay Carney finally telling reporters a week after the incident, “It is, I think, self-evident that what happened in Benghazi was a terrorist attack,” is too little – far too late.

    Then, there needs to be a full investigation as to why those present in the attacked-United States Embassies weren’t forewarned of the attacks as evidence that there was prior knowledge of the attacks grows.

  107. Don’t make me drag out the tracksuit!

  108. White House Press Secretary Jay Carney finally telling reporters a week after the incident, “It is, I think, self-evident that what happened in Benghazi was a terrorist attack,” is too little – far too late.

    Somebody should’ve informed poor Susan Rice, before sending her out on national tv shows to blame it on a YouTube video!

  109. Romney politicized the attack and rightly, if not excessively, got hammered for it.

    This White House politicized the attack to make it look like the video/film caused it and haven’t gotten hammered.

    The double standard here is amazing.

    Romney’s not in trouble because of the press. But Obama’s not in trouble because of the press either.

  110. To erich’s point (and in case spud is taking nominations)…

    NOT: CNN Reporter Fundraises for Obama. Literally noone in the press notices or cares.

    http://www.examiner.com/article/bias-cnn-reporter-tweets-link-to-obama-donation-site

    To quote Instapundit, they’re not the media. They’re Democratic operatives with bylines.

  111. Instapundit is a smart fellow – very – but he’s gotten a little hysterical these past six months.

    Obama must resign?

    C’mon….

    And when does he sleep? Eat? Do anything else? He writes law articles, teaches law, runs a blog, writes news articles…sheesh.

    Okay, the runs a blog doesn’t count.

    Is this still on?

  112. Because this week was the 5th anniversary of Morning Joe and MSNBC shows beat FNC show some nights this week I decided to check back a year or so and see how MJ vs F&F ratings were looking. In September of 2011 vs now. A laast year a weekly sample of four shows had F&F averaging about 450.000 in the demo against MJ’s 150,000. This past week F&F averaged 330,000 against MJ’s 218,000. F&F still beats MJ handily but the gap seems to be closing.

  113. Funny how Fritz concludes Fox & Friends has lost viewers since last year based on the single weeks he cherry-picked to compare.
    In fact, per latest quarterly ratings F&F is up 9% since same period last yr. Figures lie, liars figure:

    http://t.co/LLzdOKy5

  114. Rob Lowe? Well, St. Elmo’s fire!

  115. -Obama’s Afghanistan-

    I disagree with the criticisms of Obama for not following (some) of the advice given to him by military experts about troop levels, etc. The president is CiC and CiC gets to make these calls. Period.

    Releasing the “date certain” of troop withdrawals was just plain stupid, as it gift-wrapped to the enemy the very framework from which to devise those strategies capable of inflicting as much damage as possible. Releasing way too much information about the killing of bin Laden may someday be looked-back on as his most costly blunder. That both of these were done purely for domestic political gain proves to me that Obama is a timid thinker and a lightweight leader.

    Network and cable news, including FNC, has been giving him a pass on this.

  116. Larry the link you quote as the basis of saying I’m wrong is from last year and says nothing that I can see about MJ or F&F. I took my data from ‘By the Numbers’ and picked the 4 days used for the reason stated in my post. All I’m saying is that the demo ratings for that particular week appear to show a closing in the numbers. Nothing else.

  117. Romney politicized the attack and rightly, if not excessively, got hammered for it.

    Romney’s remarks, that he was so excessively hammered for, were spot-on and appropriate at the time for someone who is the nominated challenger for POTUS to make. As reports are finally coming out, and as a ten year-old could have easily surmised at the time, the video was not the cause of what happened in either Cairo or Benghazi. For subsequent nights’ demonstrations in all of the other cities, maybe, but that would be after the administration turned the video into a big deal by their mega-blunder.

    MJ v F&F

    I, too, thought F&F had been pulling farther ahead over the past year and even routinely beating one of the broadcast morning programmes. Personally, I think having another cable show give FNC a run for the money would be a good thing for all. Be it CNN or MSNBC I don’t care – F&F is an opinion show anyway.

  118. Don’t be silly, Fritz..you know FNC is the toppermost of the poppermost. The Death Star rules over all.

  119. That’s crap. Romney’s remarks were extremely out of line, and devoid of facts. He didn’t seem to know when the Cairo tweet was sent, and accused the administration of sympathizing with the enemy. And he did it before we even knew if the attack was over. It was a disgusting display of low knowledge and lies.

  120. If Bush had been the president during some sort of unfolding event overseas and John Kerry had been the challenger issuing an early criticism, there’s a better than fair chance that those now criticising Romney would see things differently.

    Be careful how you answer as someone may post an example.

    During a terror attack crisis occurring on US soil and on the anniversary of 9/11, President Obama’s first public statement was to criticise Gov. Romney. Great.

    Even if the video had been the reason for the violence, the embassy’s (and subsequently the entire admin’s) response still would have been wrong. Basically, whatever Obama’s Middle East policy might be, the whole thing can be easily undone by some dolt with a smartphone and a YouTube account.

  121. Al, Romney’s initial reaction was not to call for support for our people being threatened with violence – which should have been AT THAT TIME his only concern – but to condemn the Administration for that stupid statement issued by the Embassy in Cairo.

    The evidence I’ve seen – I could be wrong – is that the statement was not approved of by the State Department or the White House. Granted, he didn’t know that at the time but that doesn’t exonerate him from issuing a political statement. Or at least, a policy statement.

    In the middle of the crisis where our Embassies and staff are being threatened is not the time to discuss policies. It’s the time to rally behind them.

    The White House has been just as politically craven as Romney over this. But they’re getting a pass.

    Both parties should be criticized.

  122. ^ I disagree with some of that, but yours is not an unfair assessment.

  123. Be careful how you answer as someone may post an example.

    Be careful who you accuse of hypothetically seeing things differently if the tables were turned. You have no evidence that “if it was the other guy, Joe would be ok with it”.

  124. ^ Joe can be unpredictable

  125. I know joe wants to keep the focus on Romney’s statement. And he DESPERATELY wants us to forget that it took Obama 10 days to figure out whether there was a terrorist attack. And Obama, not Romney, is currently the President.

  126. “that it took Obama 10 days to figure out whether there was a terrorist attack.”

    ^^ Hate to break it to you farris but Obama doesn’t “figure out whether there was a terrorist attack.” thats the job of the State Dept., CIA, Dept. of Defense and various other police and investigative bodies.

    His job is to console the victims families, decide how to proceed; based on options given him by his advisers, once the perpetrators are identified and to explain to the nation what happened and what the US government is going to do about it.

    “And Obama, not Romney, is currently the President.”

    ^^ And we can thank God for that.

  127. ^ Teed right up there for someone to hit out of the park.

  128. too many damn “^”s floating around.

  129. You’re right, Farris..every time someone mentions Mitt Romney and his innate ability to say the wrong thing at all times, I should change the subject and talk about Obama. My bad.

  130. thats the job of the State Dept., CIA, Dept. of Defense and various other police and investigative bodies.

    ^^^And just who is in charge of all these entities? John Boehner?!? Rush Limbaugh?!?

    His job is to console the victims families, decide how to proceed; … and to explain to the nation what happened and what the US government is going to do about it.

    ^^^^^ … and/or go to sleep DURING THE ATTACK. Because he had a big plans the next day. Flying to Vegas to fundraise.

    I seem to recall lots of Democrats making a BIG DEAL of Bush staying in the classroom for 8 minutes. Obama, during an attack, WENT TO SLEEP.

    Go ahead: defend your boy.

    And we can thank God for that

    Thank God for dead Ambassadors
    Thank God for $5 trillion in unpatriotic debt
    Thank God for 43 months of 8%+ unemployment
    Thank God for $1 trillion deficits

    Whoops, forgot: thanks to Obama’s shredding of the First Amendment, we have to ask the White House which God we’re allowed to thank before we make our public statements lest we have towels thrown over our heads and get taken in for questioning in the middle of the night.

  131. “savefarris Says:

    September 23, 2012 at 5:41 am ”

    ^^^ :-)

  132. ↓↓↓ Brilliant post.

    That was for me once I get around to thinking of something to write about.

  133. One more time. Vegas was not a fundraiser. Read a newspaper once in a while.

  134. Fritz shot an ^ in the air, it fell to earth I know not where.

    That’s because he has gotten so verbose I stopped reading him. Guy must have been vaccinated with a phonograph needle.

  135. “he has gotten so verbose I stopped reading him.”

    ^^ Just a touch ironic don’t you think?

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