Free for All: 10/30/12

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  1. MEDIAITE.COM still down. It’s the troll apocalypse.

  2. imnotblue Says:

    ^ Oh no! How will Tommy Christopher call people “racists!” now?

  3. savefarris Says:

    Chris Christie saying nice things about Obama is leading every news feed and wall-to-wall on MSNBC.

    … as if people from different parties working together during a natural disaster never ever happens: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2005/09/05/mayor-nagin-praises-bush-blames-gov-blanco-failures-new-orleans

  4. lonestar77 Says:

    “^ Oh no! How will Tommy Christopher call people “racists!” now?”

    I can see him and Matthews screaming from rooftops at passers by “racist”. Because, ya know, they’re both batshyte crazy.

  5. The election is over. Where it stands today is how it will play out in a week. The damage to New York and New Jersey is stunning, and will overshadow any campaign hijinks.

  6. lonestar77 Says:

    Where do you think it stands, Joe?

  7. savefarris Says:

    The election is over.

    You might be right. Obama can’t break 50% … in Oregon.

    Ballgame.

  8. Where do you think it stands, Joe?

    Basically tied, with a slight electoral advantage for Obama. Expect another nauseating recount.

  9. CNN’s Chad Myers penchant for hyperbole got him in trouble last night when he reported on Piers Morgan’s show that there was three feet of water on the floor of the NYSE, based solely on a tweet.

    It was a rumor, but CNN went with the story anyway, asking reporters in the field to comment on what it could mean for the markets. Reporters like Ali Velshi mused about the dire things that might happen to the stock market in the coming days, not knowing the story was not factual..

    This is not the first time CNN has done this sort of false reporting and I think there should be big repercussions on Myers, Morgan and the EP’s that let that rumor go on air as fact.

  10. “Where do you think it stands, Joe?

    Basically tied, with a slight electoral advantage for Obama. Expect another nauseating recount.”

    I totally agree joe. They are also talking about extended voting hours or days, moving polling stations because of power outages and much more use of provisional ballots. It’s going to be chaos in some states especially in close down ballot races and it wouldn’t surprise me if we don’t know the winner of the race for POTUS for a week.

  11. I hear Al Sharpton’s minions will be out in full force at selected voting locations, monitoring the election. How does this man still have a show on MSNBC? And liberals complain about Hannity???

  12. Romney ran a “relief event”. In Ohio. With a campaign video. This is known to actual adults who don’t appreciate being talked to like they’re 12 as a campaign event with a request for donations to the Red Cross. That guy never misses a chance to completely misread how to react to a crisis.

  13. “I hear Al Sharpton’s minions will be out in full force at selected voting locations, monitoring the election.”

    ^^Maybe his ‘minions’ can monitor the ‘True the Vote’ Tea Party minions coming in from Texas. I think both groups are unnecessary.

  14. Fritz, the point is that Sharpton has a show on a cable network. He shouldn’t be allowed to get SO involved in an election.

  15. savefarris Says:

    ^^^Needs more Black Panthers

  16. This is my problem with politics, anymore. One side does something stupid and self-serving. The other side initially responds that it’s ridiculous and self-serving…then they start to do the same damn thing themselves. Cuz..“They did it first!”. We all end up looking like children, and then wonder why people ignore politics.

  17. lonestar77 Says:

    The only outcome that would surprise me would be an Obama landslide. I could see Romney getting to 300 electoral votes with the undecideds breaking to him, I could see him winning the popular vote and losing the electoral college or I could see a much narrower (than 2008) Obama victory.

  18. One thing remains certain, the Left retains their lead on the lack of civility:

    http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/30/michael-moore-moveon-org-video-features-dirty-mouthed-old-people-lambasting-republicans-romney/

    and the margin is wide.

  19. “That guy never misses a chance to completely misread how to react to a crisis.”

    To be fair, that was probably his advisers more than anything. But he needs to say something to denounce how political it got.

  20. Romney seems to have done pretty well so far without listening to the advice of Joe or Andy. Helpful chaps that they are.

  21. I think it’s wonderful that Obama is suddenly opposed to “red tape” and “bureaucracy”. On a normal day, that’s just ‘good government’.

  22. Regulation is just protection of good government. Without it the 1% would screw the 99% out of their last nickel. Obama best not release the hounds of freedom.

  23. Shep Smith is so good at this kind of news coverage.

  24. imnotblue Says:

    @ lonestar

    Sadly, though… at some point, Matthews would turn to him and say, “Who are you again?”

    TC is only “big time” in his mind.

  25. I care as much about the election and how much the hurricane impacts the election about as much as the politicians in Washington care about the people who lost their homes and their lives in this storm. The media coverage of the aftermath of the storm is, by a mile, the worst coverage of a major news event in my lifetime.

  26. savefarris Says:

    The aspect of the new Lucas/Disney deal that I haven’t seen anyone comment on: now George has an excuse to re-release YET ANOTHER VERSION of the movies on DVD/Blu.

  27. savefarris Says:

    ^^Andy, if you care about having a media that does their job, then you have to vote Republican/Romney. All our media friends have shown they won’t/can’t investigate Obama and hold him to ANY sort of standard.

  28. Though we are divided over God’s plans for offspring of rape and incest, we can be certain he does measure out true justice:

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2012/10/sandy-brings-down-buzzfeed-gawker-huffpo-147677.html

  29. “Andy, if you care about having a media that does their job, then you have to vote Republican/Romney. All our media friends have shown they won’t/can’t investigate Obama and hold him to ANY sort of standard.”

    What an idiotic comment. Obama is the most scrutinized President in history. Bush got a free pass for 9/11, Iraq and Afghanistan. It wasn’t until Hurricane Katrina that the media woke up and realized he was a crappy president.

    So far, the media’s covered Fast and Furious like it was the next Watergate, they’re riding this Benghazi story harder than a meth-addict, they’ve demanded more personal documents from Obama than they’ve ever demanded from any other candidate in history.

    I don’t “have to vote Republican”. I don’t “have to vote” at all. Since my residency is still in Maryland, my vote doesn’t count anyways.

    If someone I actually liked, like Chris Christie, Jon Huntsman or Newt Gingrich was running, I might actually care.

    The bottom line is people are dead and the only thing the political media and the politicos in Washington can think about is what it means for the election.

  30. I agree that stepping up the politics talk today has been a drag, but Romney didn’t give ‘em much choice. He BSed a campaign stop into a donation drive the Red Cross has no use for (they need money, not a bunch of stuff to sort through), then threw up another version of the “they’re sending your Jeep jobs to China” ad.

    The choices were stick with the storm while Mitt screws around on the campaign trail, thinking he’ll go unnoticed…or notice.

  31. Michael Steele on Hardball trying to justify the Jeep ads was painful. Apparently we’re now supposed to buy that the point is Jeep should build another planet here for China-bound product. Like Romney would totally handle it that way as CEO of Chrysler. What a load of crap. You’d think the son of an auto magnate would know about cars for different continents being built on those continents. Ever heard of Ford of Europe? Did you know Honda has a plant in England? I swear..

  32. Andy, what are you talking about? The media, except for FOX, has NOT been covering Fast and Furious. Benghazi is being covered a little more, but not the way it should be. In his interview with Obama last week, Brian Williams practically made Obama look like the victim in the Benghazi tragedy.

  33. savefarris Says:

    Apparently we’re now supposed to buy that the point is Jeep should build another planet here for China-bound product.

    It’s called “manufacturing and exporting”. It’s what economies do.

  34. NYC Mayor to Obama: thanks but no thanks to a visit here: just go to NJ.

    LMAO

  35. savefarris Says:

    So far, the media’s covered Fast and Furious like it was the next Watergate

    Which is was why the topic came up INCESSANTLY during the debates … or, in realville, Romney had to bring up the issue himself when the town-hall lady asked if the candidates would take away everyone’s AK-47s.

    # of articles with “Operation Fast and Furious” in the NYT database 2009-2012: 76

    # of articles with “Mitt Romney tax returns” during the same period: 2,280

  36. It’s called “manufacturing and exporting”. It’s what economies do.

    Oh bullsh!t. That’s not how the auto industry works, and it’s not what Romney originally said. Opening a new line on another continent for another continent has no impact on production here. Romney claimed we were going to be stuck buying Chinese-made Jeeps here. That’s absurd. He’s lying.

  37. “Andy, what are you talking about? The media, except for FOX, has NOT been covering Fast and Furious.”

    Not true. EVERY network covered Fast and Furious in-depth. Fast and Furious did not merit wall-to-wall coverage like FOX gave it — but it was covered in-depthh.

    Benghazi is being covered a little more, but not the way it should be.”

    Yep. FOX News is doing the same thing with Benghazi that they did with Fast and Furious — they went wall-to-wall with it for weeks hoping to bring Obama down, even if their information was not true. And it worked.

    I’m willing to bet money that, two or three years from now, we will find that this wasn’t anywhere close to as bad a scandal as FOX made it out to be (just as we found out with Fast and Furious). Unless Romney wins, then all the investigations will end and nobody will try to find the truth anymore.

    It’s election year politics. The faux hearings on both, the political showboating by Darrell Issa (who is a monster), the contempt vote exhibition to appease the TEArrorists … none of this stuff got us anywhere close to finding out the truth of what happened because the media coverage and the political investigations were meant to bring Obama down, not to find the truth.

    That’s how Washington operates now.

  38. “The choices were stick with the storm while Mitt screws around on the campaign trail, thinking he’ll go unnoticed…or notice.”

    Yep. I posted on Facebook yesterday, deliberately, about Romney telling supporters that the East Coast is counting on Ohio to vote for him. Romney got a free pass on that yesterday from the media (and even MSNBC gave him a free pass on it) and thought he could go around today and get away with it again.

    As much as the storm should be the top story, I’m glad Romney didn’t get a free pass on it today. Even worse, Romney’s campaign doubled down on the Jeep lie today hoping the media wouldn’t notice. NBC Nightly News took time out to call it out as the lie that it is.

    Every time the man’s caught in a lie, he doubles down on it. Classic Mitt. “No apology” is his mantra. Even when he’s wrong, he won’t admit that he’s wrong and, instead, will double down. Just like George W. Bush.

  39. savefarris Says:

    we will find that this wasn’t anywhere close to as bad a scandal as FOX made it out to be (just as we found out with Fast and Furious).

    Congratulations parents of Brian Terry and Chris Stevens: according to Andy, your sons aren’t dead!

  40. “Which is was why the topic came up INCESSANTLY during the debates … or, in realville, Romney had to bring up the issue himself when the town-hall lady asked if the candidates would take away everyone’s AK-47s.”

    IIRC, wasn’t it Arizona’s laws, not the ATF, who’s policies led to a border patrol agent’s death? Regardless, it got way too much play in the media. For months, it was the only thing FOX News would cover.

    And the investigations were a joke. Darrell Issa went all over the place with this kooky conspiracy that President Obama enacted Fast and Furious (when Bush was president) so he could ban guns… and that’s exactly the approach he took when investigating. FOX did the same thing.

    Bottom line — and this comes from someone who’s done a fair amount of investigative journalism, you cannot have a fair and impartial investigation when your mind is made up about what you think “the truth” is before the investigation. If you run an investigation with the sole intention of having your intended outcome be the final result, that’s what you’re going to get because you’re going to ignore anything that disproves your desired outcome.

  41. “Congratulations parents of Brian Terry and Chris Stevens: according to Andy, your sons aren’t dead!”

    What a wank of comment to make.

  42. FOX News has done a great job covering the storm today. Too bad all that goes to the pot at 9pm when the Republican National Committee’s nightly one hour informercial comes on.

  43. Andy, you can have the DNC on MSNBC from 6:00 to 11:00 PM so what are you whimpering about?

  44. Ed Schultz is doing an incredible job covering the storm tonight.

  45. And just like that………………

  46. If I use the most recent Gallup numbers and factor-in that Romney is leading 52-45% among early voters, and that 220K fewer Dems have voted early in Ohio while 30K more Repubs have… I’d call the electoral map 311 for Romney and 227 for Obama. Unless PA somehow swings to Romney, in which case he gets 331. But that’s only if Gallup is right.

  47. Why should Ed Schultz stick with storm coverage? It’s not what they do and rather silly to expect them to.

  48. savefarris Says:

    Is Encore playing ‘Storm of the Century’ intentionally?

  49. CNN is sticking with the storm. With any luck at all they’ll stay with it all week, and iIcan ignore politics ’til next Tuesday. Now if I could just get them to stop running that stupid Peterffy ad…

  50. Does Hannity claim everything in society is a liberal conspiracy against conservatives every night?

    Then he and Tucker (rhymes with…..) won’t let Kirsten Powers get a word in. At least MSNBC lets their resident conservatives speak.

  51. Sean Hannity is the stupidest moron on television.

  52. “CNN is sticking with the storm. With any luck at all they’ll stay with it all week, and iIcan ignore politics ’til next Tuesday. Now if I could just get them to stop running that stupid Peterffy ad…”

    What’s the point of that ad?

  53. ^ “I’m voting Republican ’cause punishing success, poor people lazy. And also the socialism, and also there.” Or some such BS. It’s condescending crap from a billionaire broker.

  54. savefarris Says:

    Bush got a free pass for 9/11, Iraq and Afghanistan.

    # of articles with “Operation Fast and Furious” in the NYT database 2009-2012: 76

    # of articles with “Valerie Plame” in the NYT 2001-Election Day 2004: 707

  55. Hannity is a divivsive, America-hating moron. I can always tell when my righty friends on Twitter are watching him, ’cause suddenly my TL fills up with OMG WHY ARE THE LIBERALS SO DISGUSTING? The man preaches hate at all times.

  56. Way too much hyperbole, Joe. Hannity is a divisive, America-loving moron. There, much better.

  57. “If I use the most recent Gallup numbers and factor-in that Romney is leading 52-45% among early voters, and that 220K fewer Dems have voted early in Ohio while 30K more Repubs have… I’d call the electoral map 311 for Romney and 227 for Obama.”

    ^^Great analysis Al! All over but the crying. :-)

  58. Larry analysis based on the throbbing of my knee I cut with a chainsaw in 1976:

    President: Obama wins
    Senate: remains Democratic
    House : remains Republican

  59. That’s just working with the numbers provided by Gallup, Fritz. I have no way of knowing how accurate or inaccurate they’ll end up being. I prefer the RCP average of polls but, because it’s an on-going average, it isn’t of much use for predicting an outcome near the end of the race. We’ll see.

  60. lonestar77 Says:

    You people (yeah, I said you people, whatcha gonna do?) are too hard on Hannity. He’s an ideologue but a happy one. He’s not belligerent like the ideologues on the left. He’s a happy dude. He doesn’t live in a state of perpetual hate like the MSNBC folks.

  61. I don’t have to watch one minute of Hannity and Hannity to know damn close to what he thinks and says about any given subject. He’s boring.

  62. 11pm, FOX and CNN live with Sandy aftermath coverage. MSNBC, stupidly, trying to lose all the viewers they gained in the summer in one week, at tape with Ed Schultz.

  63. “He doesn’t live in a state of perpetual hate like the MSNBC folks.”

    Yeah, and I’m Bill Clinton.

  64. Hannity lives in a perpetual state of outrage, and expects people to take seriously the times when he’s really upset. Like with Benghazi. He can’t seem to comprehend the fact that since he spends every night of the week yammering about some Obama “scandal”, his coverage of Libya just blends in with the noise. It’s not helpful to anyone who’s actually interested in justice. It also bothers me that that the father (whose name escapes me) is starting to parrot the attitude that I’m seeing on this show. That doesn’t help him in the least.

  65. Well said, Laura.

  66. He has no volume-switch. He was at the same level over the Daily Caller video, a couple weeks ago.

  67. I have a mute switch. It is my friend.

  68. Hannity may be happy, but he’s happy being a screeching, hateful a$$ to anything liberal at all times. Everything is a scandal, an outrage, a threat to our democracy. He’s bad for the people who follow him.

  69. “He has no volume-switch. He was at the same level over the Daily Caller video, a couple weeks ago.”

    You mean the bombshell exclusive from like eight years ago? LOL.

    “Hannity may be happy, but he’s happy being a screeching, hateful a$$ to anything liberal at all times. Everything is a scandal, an outrage, a threat to our democracy. He’s bad for the people who follow him.”

    The problem with paranoid conspiracy theorists like Hannity and his followers is that no amount of evidence can convince them they are wrong. They’re still barking about his birth certificate for crying out loud.

  70. The problem with conspiracy nuts like Hannity is facts are secondary to The Mission. “Outsiders” are The Enemy, and they’ll say and do whatever promotes The Mission, leading to Ultimate Victory over The Evil Without. It’s quite cult-like, and doesn’t belong on a mainstream news channel.

  71. “The problem with conspiracy nuts like Hannity is facts are secondary to The Mission. “Outsiders” are The Enemy, and they’ll say and do whatever promotes The Mission, leading to Ultimate Victory over The Evil Without. It’s quite cult-like, and doesn’t belong on a mainstream news channel.”

    Then what he does is he brings in Kirsten Powers to show how fair he is only for him and Tucker (rhymes with…) to shout over her and not let her get a word in. But the fact that she’s on for the sole reason of getting shouted over, portrays the image of balance. As far left as msnbc is, at least they let Michael Steele, Joe Scarborough, SE Cupp and Steve Schmidt get a word in.

  72. It tickles me when I run into some True Believer on Twitter, and can predict the exact moment when I’ll be accused of being a RINO. Cuz yeah, right.

  73. Personally, that’s the reason I dislike Kirsten. I mean, she’s smart, she’s good looking and she’s progressive — but she’s sold her soul to FOX News and allows herself to be beaten up on the air every single night by bullies when she could go over to msnbc and probably end up with her own show in six months.

  74. “It tickles me when I run into some True Believer on Twitter, and can predict the exact moment when I’ll be accused of being a RINO. Cuz yeah, right.”

    There’s so much ignorance on Twitter and Facebook, it’s not even funny anymore. It’s on both sides — morons who believe the other side is out to take away all their freedoms. That “if you elect this guy, you’ll lose all your freedoms” crap gets on my nerves. It got on my nerves when I was in elementary school and everyone echoed what their parents were saying about Bill Clinton taking their freedoms away.

  75. I was dealing with a guy on Twitter the other day. Talking about all the actions “we” must take if Obama “steals the election”, ’cause it will be “the end of this country”. So there you have it, a week before the election. Conspiracy, democracy subjugated, end of the nation, impeachment. I’m like, “Dude, no matter who wins, we’ll survive. Get a grip.” No, no getting a grip for these sorts..

  76. Oh, I already know if Obama wins, the right wing dumbassophere will scream “Voter Fraud” at the top of their lungs. They genuinely believe like 20 million dead people voted for Obama.

  77. Personally, I’m going to enjoy election night no matter who wins because I’ll kick back with popcorn and a bottle of Baltimore’s finest brew and watch heads explode.

  78. And if Romney wins, there’ll be rioting. Oh, don’t I hear that one…

    I expect libs on Twitter to say any stupid thing. That’s just sport, It’s the conservatives who depress me. God forbid you stray from the herd of groupthink with some of these people.

  79. “I’ll be accused of being a RINO. Cuz yeah, right.”

    I love how I’m always called a left liberal. Yeah, I lean left and won’t deny that but that’s only because the Republican Party has embraced and adopted the kind of extremism that I used to only see from a bunch of selfish idiots who care only about themselves.

    Yes, in the United States, we help others when they’re in need. Between my religion and politics, I learned that we help others when we’re in need and that’s what makes America unique. Now, we kick those people who need help when they’re down.

    Like with this storm today, I can’t tell you how many idiots say all those people should be left for dead because they’re “idiots” for living in a “hurricane prone area” and that anyone who lives in an area that can be hit by a natural disaster deserves to be buried financially. Nevermind that it’s incredibly rare.

  80. “I expect libs on Twitter to say any stupid thing. That’s just sport, It’s the conservatives who depress me. God forbid you stray from the herd of groupthink with some of these people.”

    Sadly, the reactions from both sides are predictable. When there’s a shooting, I know within minutes, liberals will call for gun laws and conservatives will say that one other person with a gun would’ve saved everyone’s life.

    I already know, when the gay marriage bill passes in the referendum vote in Maryland, that Conservatives will no longer say gay marriage should be “up to the will of the people” and should be banned on the federal level.

    It’s actually amusing to watch people, on both sides, flip flop on their core principles when they don’t get their desired outcome on something.

  81. Less rare now that the climate change they refuse to acknowledge is creating weather extremes on a regular basis. So screw you for living on an earth we pretend we’re not fcking up. God Bless America.

  82. Just thought I’d interrupt the Hannity Hatefest. Two kind of interesting things: 1. New Hampshire’s Nashua Telegraph endorsed Romney; 2. President Obama asked Mayor Bloomberg if he can come to NY and visit the storm-ravaged city and Bloomberg said, Uh, no thanks, go to NJ instead. Sounds like Bloomberg dissed the president and NJ in one fell swoop.

  83. Bloomberg didn’t “diss” anyone. POTUS knew it was protocol to offer a visit, and very likely knew the mayor would consider it a logistical nightmare.

  84. On Hannity:
    I rarely watch more than a few minutes of his show as I can pretty much see where he’s going after a couple of minutes. Maddow, who I watch almost every night, is just as partisan as Hannity but has a number of advantages that make her show more watchable than his; at least for me.

    She generally covers a number of subjects; although the show sometimes has more than one segment on a subject or covers a subject over a number of days; as opposed to Hannity who generally has a scandal of the day which is pushed in multiple segments over many days.

    She often delivers her message with humor; often self-deprecating humor; which is totally missing on Hannity.

    She gets out of the studio a does actual reporting even going to war zones on occasion.

    She usually apologizes when her show makes a mistake; again something almost never seen on Hannity.

    Her shows writing is just so much better than Hannity. Her arguments, although really partisan, are detailed and coherent and not just a recitation of talking points on a loop.

  85. On Christie/Bloomburg:
    I don’t think you can eliminate politics from either Christie’s or Bloomberg’s actions.

    If Christie is looking forward to running in 2016 and thinks Obama is going to win; then throwing Romney under the bus, like he did makes complete sense.

    You look decisive, independent and not like a politician; all things that will be helpful running against Hillary or whomever is the Democratic nominee and make him a bigger favorite against the much better class of Republican nominee that will be running in 2016. If Romney wins he can’t run until 2020 and this is long forgotten.

    Bloomberg has a different challenge as he would likely run as a mostly self funded third party candidate; so separating yourself from both Obama and Romney is the way to go. You want to look independent and not beholding to either party.

    I don’t think that is the only reason Bloomberg and Christie did what they did but it didn’t hurt either future candidate politically.

  86. Rumor has it mosquitoes buzzed outside the Hannity studio last night but were soon blown away by self generated hot air.

  87. -Christie throwing Romney under the bus-

    No he didn’t. Christie is a governor doing his job and that was no diss on on Romney. Same for Boomberg on Obama, even though it might have sounded that way from a snippet.

    -Climate change-
    As that pertains to hurricanes hitting the East Coast, bullsh!t. Hurricanes and Arctic air masses are a conditions of weather, not climate. The Atlantic hurricane season has always extended through the end of November and it’s always been known that someday that curved shoreline along NYC would get hit. It’s why they built that huge harbour storm gate in Massachusetts just a few kilometres to the east.

    Would have been a far less severe outcome had the surge arrived two or three hours before or after instead of right at high tide.

  88. Ignoring climate change is lunacy. Someday this generation will be looked upon with shock as the ones who rejected science for an argument against government regulation of a looming catastrophe.

  89. Man-made climate change superstition will someday be viewed as less logical than avoiding black cats and walking under ladders.

  90. Joe wants us all to buy the crappy chevy volt.

  91. “No he didn’t. Christie is a governor doing his job and that was no diss on on Romney. Same for Bloomberg on Obama, even though it might have sounded that way from a snippet.”

    I don’t totally disagree with your point Al; but the perception in the media is that he did throw him under the bus. His comments, particularly on FNC were pretty obvious. He could have easily made his point without wildly praising Obama and saying basically he had no interest in being seen with Romney.

    I tend to agree, as well, that the Bloomberg comments weren’t a diss; although that is the way Fox and right wing blogs will play it. But given that he didn’t diss Obama, I do think it doesn’t hurt his long term political goals, even if it’s only in a small way.

    Christie’s comments were very helpful to his political future and I think he knows that, Bloomberg’s were less so and may have little effect in the long run.

  92. 50 people dead. A neighborhood wiped out. The Jersey Shore decimated. 10 subways disabled. Joe wants you to put a little more effort into what’s happening to our climate than some cheesy comment about a car.

  93. I think Bloomberg didn’t want to give President Obama the opportunity for a nice “presidential” photo-op in NY. That’s just the impression I get. He told him to go to NJ instead? That sounds like a diss to me. And Christie – I’m sure his effusive praise of the president will mean a couple of hundred million dollars more to his state for the storm recovery. Christie is not stupid. Although I believe that Obama was very effective in his dealings with Christie and the hurricane in NJ. NJ always seems to get hit incredibly hard.

  94. when they talk man made climate change put your hand on your wallet. Half these so called climate scientists are atheist Commie fellow travelers.

  95. lonestar77 Says:

    Maybe you should read this one, Joe. Written by a scientist, not an environmentalist. A scientist who buys into to “global warming”, BTW.

    http://blog.chron.com/sciguy/2012/10/are-hurricanes-hitting-new-york-in-october-a-sure-sign-of-global-warming/

  96. A scientist who accepts man-made climate change claims Sandy not a result of it. Who cares? The climate change he accepts still needs to be faced by a conservative movement who rejects it on ideological grounds.

  97. Or perhaps because we don’t want the government to “fix” the environment the way they “fixed” healthcare. Maybe we learn from history, which liberals reject on ideological grounds.

  98. Man made climate change was conceived, born, grew, matured, and polluted science on liberal ideological grounds.

  99. Or perhaps because we don’t want the government to “fix” the environment the way they “fixed” healthcare. Maybe we learn from history, which liberals reject on ideological grounds.

    Which proves my point. You’re not arguing against the science, you simply reject doing anything about it. At least you’re honest. Most of your comrades are still pretending it’s not happening.

  100. I have to say that this storm serves Obama, in a certain way. It may help him win, but if he loses, he will at least have the comfort of having done the right thing, regardless of consequence. In a campaign that’s been low-road from the start, that’s not a bad thing.

  101. I don’t know crap about the “science”, and don’t really care. “Science” is just as politicized as anything else, these days. I know that liberals are anti-business, and will use any pretext toward that end. I don’t believe that some government regulation is going to CHANGE THE WEATHER. Simple enough for you?

  102. ^ I was about to post something about the storm and the election:

    This is just intuition, but I think I may have been wrong about the election being stuck where it was the day before Sandy. There seems to have been a point yesterday when the Romney run snapped like a twig. Maybe it was the rather silly loading of groceries at a “relief event” in Ohio; maybe it was the extremely dishonest doubling down on “Jeeps in China” while NY and NJ were being destroyed; maybe it was Chris Christie shutting him and Fox News down in favor of the adults getting to work; or maybe it was just the sobering realization that Mitt Romney looks utterly befuddled by this event, and the country cannot picture him handling it.

    I don’t know. Something happened in Ohio yesterday.

  103. “carolmr Says:
    October 31, 2012 at 8:35 am”

    ^^ A nice sumation of the Romney/Republican POV as expessed on FNC.

    Re the Bloomberg diss; I’m sure you will see an Obama/Bloomberg photo-op in the near future but probably not until after the election. The more I see about what Bloomberg said the more I think he was just being magnanimous. Usually governors and mayors, even Republicans love the POTUS coming to their state post disaster.

    Re Christie; He’s going to get everything he wants, and much more, because Obama doesn’t want to look like GWB post Katrina and he doesn’t need to diss Romney or suck up to Obama to get it.

    I think what he said were his genuine feelings when he said it. Doesn’t mean he wants Romney to lose just that he wants the best for his state now and himself in 2016 or 2020. It’s a win win for him.

  104. Government regulation of emissions changed the sky from brown to blue in Southern California several decades ago. When I was a kid, it was common to have a burning throat all day just from breathing. The EPA and CARB solved that.

  105. Joe, I think your intuition may be right. The sight of Romney, for the umpteenth time in this election cycle, giving that goofy smirk and looking lost handling groceries (something his has no experience in doing) was very telling to me. If your right we’ll know by the weekend polls.

  106. Man, these pictures keep getting worse. No matter how big I imagine this thing was, my imagination proves woefully unprepared for the reality.

  107. I’m sure this has already been posted, but it’s too cute. Less the tears, I agree.

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/10/even-fouryearolds-want-it-over-147815.html

  108. Maybe Sandy will help Obama. I don’t know. But, to tell you the truth, I haven’t seen Obama all that much lately I haven’t seen him out and about looking presidential. I guess he’ll have a chance in NJ. I don’t know how the storm is helping him. We won’t know until after the election if Obama and FEMA did a good job.

  109. The actual size of the storm was impressive too joe. If you saw a satellite image of it yesterday when it was centered over Pennsylvania. it went from Nova Scotia on the east, northern Quebec on the north, Missouri on the west and Georgia on the south. Biggest storm, area wise, I’ve ever seen.

  110. Still a bit glitchy, but Mediaite is back up.

  111. i think this aired in ’06. Looks like the whole episode, though I haven’t watched it.

    http://www.monticellonys.com/2012/general/weather-channel-it-could-happen-tomorrow-nyc-hurricane

  112. Joe has been wrong about Romney for a year now, aways pushing doomsday crap out he picks up watching Morning Joe or from Twitter. Like the Romney bagging groceries bit. ABC World News showcased that last night with praise, not the ridicule Joe gets from his daily pumping of bile. No, the fool seems to think if he imagines things going wrong for Romney, they are,

  113. MSNBC needs to change the title of Tamron Hall’s show. “NewsNation”? Tamron Hall’s show has had more political crap and less news coverage than every other show on msnbc today.

  114. Joe’s saving grace is that Fritz and Andy are even more gullible.

  115. savefarris Says:

    Leave joe alone! He’s gonna be quite brokenhearted this time next week and we need to be there for him…

  116. “Leave joe alone! He’s gonna be quite brokenhearted this time next week and we need to be there for him…”

    I though joe was voting for Romney?

  117. @brithume Even Huffpost concedes Romney Jeep ad true. Says it’s misleading. I agree. But that’s an opinion, not a fact. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2012/10/29/politico-romney-jeep-ad_n_2040969.html

  118. I can always tell when my Republican friends on Facebook are listening to Rush Limbaugh because they all regurgitate his BS like he’s some sort of prophet.

  119. Rush throws a lot of noodle against the wall. On occasion, some of it sticks.

  120. I can assure you the BS I regurgitate is all my own.

    Google “cow cud”

  121. “Rush throws a lot of noodle against the wall. On occasion, some of it sticks.”

    Most of it sticks in the dumbassophere.

    And then conservatives say his prediction about (insert issue here) came true and that he’s credible. The thing is, Rush makes approximately 176 predictions each day about how things will turn out. Of course he’ll be right every once in a Blue Moon.

  122. So, according to Glenn Beck and all my idiot facebook friends, President Obama is using the storm to confiscate everyones’ guns.

    I want to see some proof of this before people run their mouths.

  123. I guess they can’t force Benghazi to be the top story anymore since 50 people are dead (and the toll is rising) and millions are without power, so they have to invent a new kooky conspiracy theory.

  124. Nobody was killed in Watergate, so by peanut-brain’s logic that should never have been much of a story.

  125. Oh, name calling; the height of intelligence in political discourse. :)

  126. lonestar77 Says:

    Mediaite is back up! And, now Tommy Christopher has resorted to calling Mitt Romney racist against Italians. Bahahaha.

  127. He’s been holding back for days.

  128. Wolf, et al, keep asking people if they’ve seen anything like this before. They haven’t. Stop asking. I’m also tired of the overdone praise for Christie, over his praise for Obama. What exactly would you expect him to do in this situation, thank Obama but then say “Of course, Romney would have done it better!”? He’s behaving the way normal adults do, in these situations. Put simply, when someone is helping, don’t be an @sshole.

  129. savefarris Says:

    At 1:06pm — “Most of it sticks in the dumbassophere.

    43 minutes later — “Oh, name calling; the height of intelligence in political discourse.

  130. The Jeep ad is not “true” by any definition of the word. The simple statement “Chrysler was bought by Fiat, and Jeep may make some cars in China” has nothing to do with the point of the ad, and even less to do with Romney’s original statement that “all production will be moved to China”. The intent of all these statements is to tell people production will be moved to China at the expense of jobs currently held in this country, which is complete bullsh!t.

    Car companies make stuff in China for China, and the profits come back here. The reason why we have such a strong Buick in this country now is because China loves them, and the demand for new/higher-quality models rebuilt the product for Americans, who are now buying the ones built here. This ad campaign by Mitt Romney is beneath contempt. He’s a damn liar, and not qualified for high office.

  131. And btw, if you want to sell Jeeps in China for any kind of profit, you have to build them there. Tariffs preclude exporting them. Ask Harley-Davidson why they build motorcycles there for that market.

  132. I have an example of that “strong Buick” sitting outside right now. There’s a reason GM needed the auto bailout to survive.

  133. “Oh, name calling; the height of intelligence in political discourse.”

    ^^I wouldn’t sweat it Andy. Name calling is Larry’s fallback position when he has nothing rational to add to a discussion, and yet can’t resist commenting – which happens on almost every subject. :-)

  134. I was talking about Nixon.

  135. I’ve finally discovered what FOX’s Benghazi coverage reminds me of. NANCY GRACE!

    They sit there, “outraged” over the death of four Americans, angered that President Obama is “engaging in a cover-up”, then they turn around and act all sad and mellowdramatic showing pictures of the victims and talking about them, then turn back around to outrage.

    It’s such a disgusting act to watch, and it’s direct from Nancy Grace’s playbook.

    All for partisan political reasons.

  136. The Bizarro World thing about the Romney “Jeeps in Chins” push – and I don’t think this is lost on the average voter – is that no one in their right mind believes CEO Mitt Romney would change a single thing about this successful approach of building cars on the continents we sell them to. It just sounds WEIRD coming from him.

  137. “I’ve finally discovered what FOX’s Benghazi coverage reminds me of. NANCY GRACE!”

    ^^OUCH!!!

  138. -Nobody’s seen anything like this before-

    Probably because the biggest storms to hit the area were long before anyone today was born. Hurricanes coming ashore in or near NYC are not unusual. There were six of them from 1954-1959. Many of the storms were higher intensity. The great Storm of (Oct 29) 1863 is said to have caused the “Fire Islan Cut” along Long island.

    Whether one believes there is man-made climate change or not is irrelevant. Hurricanes are a function of weather systems, not climate change. More specifically, they’re formed from the confluence of air movements due to seasonal change.

  139. If you had read the article, you would know Sandy was fed by a climate-change phenomenon which made it worse. No one is claiming climate change creates hurricanes. It’s the “makes them worse” we’re worried about.

  140. We have a “Storm of the Century” four times a year every year now. Eventually, rational people question why, in the last five or ten years, we’ve suddenly had this explosion in weather extremes.

  141. It will come much too late, Andy. Laura stated the conservative view perfectly: They don’t care about the science because they don’t trust the government to regulate emissions in such a way as to stop the crisis. It’s all “anti-business big government” bogey men to them. Maybe the private sector will solve it…

  142. The problem right now is that the government regulates MY emissions useage. I have a $650 fine to pay because my car has an emissions problem in Maryland. Yet businesses can do whatever they want.

  143. There’s no data to show that any of the storms have gotten worse. It’s been only very recently that we’ve had satellites high above allowing us to watch them approach and see their overall extent. Just a mere century ago instrumentation for measuring these storms was rudimentary, at best, and they certainly weren’t flying aircraft through the eyes and dropping gages. The seemingly rare combination of a tropical-origin hurricane meeting up with an Arctic air mass following along the dip in the jet stream isn’t so unusual given its approach in late October. Unusual is the timing coincided with a high tide during a full moon – a function of chance, nothing more. Had Sandy approached 48 hours earlier it probably would have missed the US East Coast and been a pain-in-the-butt for Nova Scotia.

    Clean air is good and the relative lack of smog in CA is damn good for your health. This has nothing whatsoever to do with climate change – the vast majority of smog-causing particles precipitate with the rains and are filtered through ground action and the wash of shoreline beaches.

    That the Earth has experienced a warming cycle is well-documented. That the most recent cycle was caused or made worse by human activity is not so well documented, but still a perfectly plausible theory. Unless someone can show that climate change has made the equatorial zone significantly warmer and simultaneously has made the two polar zones much colder, then there isn’t been any potential energy from it to make storms spin roundy-go-round any faster.

  144. “…Yet businesses can do whatever they want.”

    No, I really wasn’t talking about Nixon.

  145. And the there is this:

    A West Virginia legislative candidate for the state’s 47th district, John Rose Sr., will remain on Tuesday’s ballot following his death in Hurricane Sandy. If he were to win, the governor would appoint one of three replacements recommended by a GOP committee.

  146. Well, The Rachel Maddow Show is interesting right now. That “relief event” Romney staged? The campaign bough a bunch of stuff, then rally-goers were instructed to pick a can or diapers or water or whatever..and hand it back to the candidate. This really happened.

  147. savefarris Says:

    Joe’s right: how DARE a Presidential candidate stage a photo-op for political gain! The shame…

    Question Andy: if business WERE forced to pay said fine, would they just eat the cost? Or is it getting passed directly to the consumer?

  148. Really, Farris? October 2009? Yes, that makes Romney’s little stunt so much less stupid now..

  149. So looking at the past liberal Romney fixations destined to stop him in his tracks:

    Romney the dog abuser
    Romney the teen bully
    Romney his and hers Cadillacs
    Romney elevator for his cars

    all just didn’t do the job, but Romney aiding Sandy victims will be sure to do the trick.

    The best think conservatives have going for them is the incredible capacity liberals have for self-delusion. One week before the election the morons still think the election will turn on trivia.

  150. Joe: I saw that segment on Maddow tonight and what crossed my mind was: Who on his campaign team thought this was a good idea? Fire them because they don’t know what they are doing.

    It’s one thing to screw up a photo-op; that happens. It’s another to do it in front of a press core that already pissed at you because you won’t talk to them and are looking for any kind of story to write.

    The campaign should have know the Red Cross doesn’t accept donations in kind. Why not just do a blood donor clinic and/or have some Red Cross volunteers at the clinic to except donations. You could offer to match any donations given at the event.

    Or, if you really want to make a difference, just skip the event entirely and donate the money you would have spent on holding it to the Red Cross. The money donated and a blood donor clinic would make a much better news story than a fake Red Cross food drive.

  151. Nah, the Sandy stunt isn’t a cause, it’s just a visual cue to what happened to Mitt Romney this week: The storm washed away a year of hogwash from both sides, leaving the people already in power the only ones standing. The Republican Party might as well have forfeited. It’s a stunning development.

  152. The problem, Fritz, is that Mitt Romney makes all the decisions in that campaign (this is documented), and has a pathologically inflated perception of his capabilities. He’s just SURE (pick your moment) is the right thing to do, and he’s almost ALWAYS wrong. Fate provided an almost Shakespearean moment for him to show it again.

  153. lonestar77 Says:

    Joe’s confusing his dreams with reality again.

    Who’s going to be the Dem Senator named in the sex scandal tonight? I hope its John Kerry or Harry Reid but I doubt it.

  154. The “experts” kept saying that this storm would freeze the race in place, and I didn’t believe it for a minute. It wasn’t the time to be complaining about it. but anyone with sense could see that the President would be off acting ‘Presidential’ while his opponent would be campaigning, but trying not to act ‘political’, it was doom from the start.

  155. - . I –

    That comma is really getting on my nerves.

  156. lonestar77 Says:

    I’m sure there are tons of voters who have suddenly decided to vote for Obama because the government didn’t screw up Hurricane relief. Nevermind Obamacare, unemployment & gas prices.

  157. I don’t think the “experts” – including this one(sic) – saw a shell-shocked Chris Christie welcoming a concerned and competent President Obama with open arms, while FNC and Romney were left standing agape.

    If this goes the way I think it’s headed, the historians will quibble over whether Christie played a political hand so he could run in ’16, but I don’t see it. New Jersey looks like it got hit by a nuclear bomb, and Gov. Christie seems to be running solely on grief. There’s not much Romney can do about that.

  158. “In ’16” is bullsh|t. Christie acted the way any normal human being would act. The shame is that when pols do it, it’s surprising.

  159. I’ve always liked Chris Christie — he’s a straight shooter. Now that Limbaugh and the other extremists suddenly hate him, I like him even more.

  160. “I’m sure there are tons of voters who have suddenly decided to vote for Obama because the government didn’t screw up Hurricane relief.”

    ^^You may be right star – if you compare how Obama is handling the storm aftermath with how Romney is handling the same storm.

    If Romney can’t organize a food drive how can you expect him to deal with a gigantic natural disaster?

  161. Joe is in moron mode tonight.

    But let’s have some fun:

    SEX SCANDAL TO HIT CAMPAIGN…

    STORY SAID TO INVOLVE POWERFUL SENATOR, SOURCES TELL DRUDGE. DAILY CALLER PLANS LATE NIGHT RELEASE…

  162. The problem for Romney is he’s getting the same pictures we are. By the time the full scope of this started to sink in, the truck-loading and anecdotes about sweeping a football field – along with the ridiculously insulting Jeep ads – had already gone in the books. It would have done him much good to stand down at least one more day. He would’ve come at least a little closer to seeming like one of the adults.

  163. Joe, none of what you and Fritz are saying means a thing. Attention is elsewhere:

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2012/10/31/leno-pounds-obama-benghazi

  164. I don’t think “one more day” would make a bit of difference. I also think that all the trivial missteps won’t register a bit, with all this going on. If Obama wins, it all comes down to ‘bad storm, President helps’. The rest is forgotten, except by people like us, and we’re not normal.

  165. Yeah, you’re probably right. (Laura, that is. Sorry, Larry, you’ve been in the cabin too long).

  166. The only potential voters who will have their votes swayed because of how the president has so far handled the storm are also just as likely to be potential non-voters.

    Most are not so dim-witted to not notice political theatre days before the election. Most are also plenty smart enough to realise he’s doing a good thing so won’t hold the “theatre” against him.

    Also not going unnoticed because the news media is repeating it over and over, is that a Republican governor is doing whatever it takes for his state during a disaster and doesn’t “give a damn about the election” right now.

  167. Springsteen may become more friendly to Christie after all this is over.

  168. ^ Fat chance?

  169. “SEX SCANDAL TO HIT CAMPAIGN…
    STORY SAID TO INVOLVE POWERFUL SENATOR, SOURCES TELL DRUDGE. DAILY CALLER PLANS LATE NIGHT RELEASE…”

    ^^ Wow! You think it will be as big a story as that 10 year old speech Obama made that these same bozos hyped a few weeks ago? How’d that work out for you?

    There is a real Senate scandal tonight though. Republican Rep Rehberg, running for Senate against Senator JonTester in Montana, has been accused, by a court investigation, of lying to police and trying to cover up drinking in a 2009 boat accident that injured a number of people. Turns out he lied to police to protect, a friend, State Senator Barkus who was drinking and driving the boat. The Montana race is close and this may be enough to keep Tester in the senate.

  170. lonestar77 Says:

    “If Romney can’t organize a food drive how can you expect him to deal with a gigantic natural disaster?”

    He’s organized business deals, businesses and the Olympics. Pretty sure he can handle showing up at a storm site and talking about he instructed the government to cut through the red tape.

  171. Twitter says it’s Menendez. Yeah, a sex-scandal with a Senator from New Jersey. Prepare for the earth to remain still.

  172. imnotblue Says:

    Greetings back from storm HQ.

    Everything was fine by me. INB’s Doctor Brother is still stuck at home in Hoboken, where he’s been volunteering, and being helped by friendly neighbors when needed. So far, no calls for me to pick him up, but that may happen over the weekend.

    RE: Global Warming

    It is undeniable that GW has played a very important role in this storm. For example, the full moon! Without man made global warming, the moon probably wouldn’t have been full, tides wouldn’t have been that much stronger, and the storm surge wouldn’t have had the same impact. The moon… it’s all GW’s fault. Or so the GW-cult wants you to believe.

    RE: Mediaite

    Shocking that TC starts screaming “racism!” The moment the site returns. Or totally predictably pathetic.

    RE: The disaster in Ohio

    I think that’s what happens when you watch Maddow/Larry/Schultz/Al/etc. You get fed conspiracy theories, and believe “the end of everything” has just happened. Let’s not forget, Maddow was the same super ethical, always honest, partisan but not too partisan, pundit who “wasn’t sure” who won the first debate… until a screaming Chris Matthews convinced her. Her analytical skills are unmatched… except by people who actually pay attention.

  173. Menendez. That’s a powerful accusation. Made me yawn.

  174. “He’s organized business deals, businesses and the Olympics. Pretty sure he can handle showing up at a storm site and talking about he instructed the government to cut through the red tape.”

    ^^ GWB ran a large state for four years and he screwed up Katrina. Romney hasn’t shown anything in his campaign that makes me think he could handle a major crisis. It’s amateur hour most of the time.

  175. Bush did not screw up Katrina. That cluster-bleep was the result of an incompetent mayor of New Orleans and governor of Louisiana. Both Democrats.

    The federal government’s role in disaster relief is to pay for it. Katrina was paid for.

  176. lonestar77 Says:

    That idiot mayor, Ray Nagin, screwed up Katrina and the Governor didn’t help. Bush got blamed because he’s George Bush.

  177. Bush got blamed because he thought FEMA was a good spot for the President of the Arabian Horse Assoc. The same idiot who said Obama “moved too fast” to prepare for Sandy. Heckuva job.

  178. Good news from New York: Maybe some of their rats will drown.

  179. imnotblue Says:

    Yeah… and even Jon Stewart recognized that Brown’s impact had been overplayed by the media and anti-Bush politicians, and wasn’t nearly as “to blame” as some claimed.

    But other than that… yeah, Bush was treated super nicely.

  180. Uh huh. The polls are wrong, too..

  181. Clint Eastwood is going to be on Hannity on Thursday night.

  182. I love Rachel’s quote about Ohio. “Ohioans follow the auto industry like some folks follow high school football.” Yes, kiddies, they know Mitt is lying about their jobs. They also know he would have sold those jobs down the river four years ago. Who knew Ohio would become the 2012 firewall for winning the election? Oops.

  183. I live in Ohio. Last thing I respect is a California liberal telling me Rachael Maddow’s understanding of Ohio.

    Say “fullofshit” real fast ten times.

  184. Clint Eastwood. That’s nice. Maybe he’ll tell us about how we’re hearing the roar of Detroit’s engines that his buddy lied were headed to China. This should be good.

  185. lonestar77 Says:

    Yeah, cuz, Romney wants the US Auto industry to fail. Just because. You know cuz that’s how he rolls. Rachel is a crank.

  186. Romney doesn’t give a damn. It’s all about chopping it up and selling it off. And Ohio knows it.

  187. Uh-oh… Maddow is going after Romney.

    Now all 6 of her viewers, including the voice of the independents, Joe, might not vote for him! How will Romney ever recover from that onslaught?!

  188. Gov. Blanco apparently didn’t comprehend that there was a previously written manual for her to follow step-by-step under just such emergencies. She wouldn’t sign the necessary executive orders and didn’t designate a chain of command. As a consequence, assets including National Guard mobilised from other states didn’t know where to go or what to do. Food, water, supplies, and medical care pre-staged by FEMA Director Brown were stranded just a few miles away from those people who desperately needed help. It’s the officials of each state and each local jurisdiction within each state who are the most familiar with their own strengths and weaknesses and who should have experience closely practising with each other, so it’s stupid to expect a dinky federal agency to waltz in and take charge.

    BUsh got blamed because it was the disgusting members of the Democratic Party who thought-up politicising death and destruction by scapegoating Brown as a way to attack him. Once in a while I’ll see some idiot liberal grudgingly admit that Blanco and Nagin screwed up royally but they’ll always add “there was plenty of blame to go around.” Bullsht. That wasn’t Brown’s first disaster and Mississippi took the brunt of Katrina. There were no complaints about his performance anywhere else.

  189. Maddow is the least of Tin Ear’s worries..

  190. First true thing Joe has said all night.

  191. Sure Al. Whaddya think the chances are that President Obama would have seen Katrina coming, and not made sure everybody had their ducks in a row? You can boo hoo all night about how poor W and Brownie were misunderstood, but it won’t change reality: They blew it. Big time.

  192. Romney cares about a corporations’ profit. He didn’t want Detroit to go through a managed bankruptcy, he wanted Detroit to go down and wanted to liquidate the assets of the auto industry. If Romney had been president in 2009, the auto industry would no longer exist in the United States.

    Whether the dumbassophere wants to admit it or not, Detroit is alive because of President Obama. And the auto industry workers know who protected their jobs and who wanted their jobs to go to China.

  193. About the same chance as Obama seeing Benghazi coming, and .. oh, right.

  194. Bush ordered the Navy fleet to follow Katrina in. The lucky ones were those who got airlifted out to the waiting ships by the Coasties. Disaster preparation is a state function, which I know from once being part of the National Disaster Medical System – administered by FEMA.

  195. Oh please, a conflagration in the Middle East is not the same as a long-warned natural disaster headed for our own coast. If I want to hear Hannity-level BS, I know where to find it.

  196. Ironic how the guy who writes “dumbassophere” didn’t read Romney’s oft-cited Op Ed where he advocated a managed bankruptcy.

    Detroit is pretty much dead, and least in terms of auto-related manufacturing. All over are the abandoned supplier facilities that went out of business during the bankruptcies. Both union and non-union shops, many extended secured credit to GM once it got the Bush bailout – big mistake. Their former employees won’t ever see their pension claims.

  197. -a conflagration in the Middle East is not the same as a long-warned natural disaster headed for our own coast-

    True. When you’re own people are warning you about a critically understaffed security issue and an increase in coordinated attacks what’s there to do?

  198. yo, or you’re your yore…

  199. I hope that ‘Carville Rule’ Gingrich keeps touting holds. If it does, Obama loses.

  200. Piece of crap WordPress locking me out. Hannity comment retracted..I thought I was answering Al. There’s some vollies I’ll lob at the boys that I wouldn’t hit Laura with. Hannity is one of them. Oops.

  201. savefarris Says:

    If Romney had been president in 2009, the auto industry would no longer exist in the United States.

    Ford?

    You can tell the liberals are desperate, because they’re making obviously false claims like these. It’s okay guys: it’ll all be over next week.

  202. The aftermath of Superstorm Sandy continues to be stunning.

  203. The problem is, they leave the story hanging, and you’re left to assume the worst.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/government-bureaucracy-in-hurricane-2012-11

  204. But there’s no media bias, and we’re just Hannity-clones for thinking so.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/332103/benghazi-no-october-surprise-jonah-goldberg#

    Tellingly, on NBC’s Meet the Press, host David Gregory shushed a guest when she tried to bring up the subject, saying, “Let’s get to Libya a little bit later.”

    Gregory never did get back to Benghazi. But he saved plenty of time to dive deep into the question of what Indiana U.S. Senate candidate Richard Mourdock’s comments on abortion and rape mean for the Romney campaign. Typically, Gregory’s instincts about the news routinely line up with Democratic talking points, in this case Obama’s ridiculous “war on women” rhetoric.

  205. Staten Island Borough President PO’d at Bloomberg and the Red Cross.

    They are still planning on having the NYC marathon? Personally sounds crazy to me!

    http://politicker.com/2012/11/staten-island-borough-president-dont-give-money-to-the-red-cross/

  206. Does this man ever take basic humanity into consideration? I have thought, since Sunday or Monday, that this would throw the election to Obama. I’m not happy about that, but I’ll be damned if I criticize people who are comforting bereaved citizens, or surveying billions in damage. Might it occur to His Brilliance that maybe Christie is looking out for his citizens, and not taking a chance that they’ll be overlooked in favor of the higher-profile state of New York? But no .. gay jokes.

    http://www.mediaite.com/online/limbaugh-slams-chris-christie-as-obamas-greek-column-in-thralls-of-man-love-for-president/

    And then there’s Daily Caller. Just for grins.

    http://www.mediaite.com/online/daily-caller-mounts-despicable-attack-on-chris-christie-for-appearing-with-obama-after-sandy/

  207. Does this man ever take basic humanity into consideration? I have thought, since Sunday or Monday, that this would throw the election to Obama. I’m not happy about that, but I’ll be damned if I criticize people who are comforting bereaved citizens, or surveying billions in damage. Might it occur to His Brilliance that maybe Christie is looking out for his citizens, and not taking a chance that they’ll be overlooked in favor of the higher-profile state of New York? But no .. g@y jokes.

    http://www.mediaite.com/online/limbaugh-slams-chris-christie-as-obamas-greek-column-in-thralls-of-man-love-for-president/

    And then there’s Daily Caller. Just for grins.

    http://www.mediaite.com/online/daily-caller-mounts-despicable-attack-on-chris-christie-for-appearing-with-obama-after-sandy/

  208. Christie looks out for NJ above all else. Tip-O-the-Kelly-Hat to him. Just doing his job, mam.

  209. On the Jeep-China controversy. The company I worked for built its plant in South Carolina, got it running nicely, and THEN, announced the closing of the Ohio and West Virginia plants. That’s the it works.

  210. savefarris Says:

    Who’s fault is it that LucasFilm sold out to Disney?

    Barack Hussein Obama’s.

    Who could have guessed that tax rates have real-world implications?!?

  211. Nurse Bloomberg endorsed Obama today. I thought he said he would not endorse anyone? Oh, well. I have to admit his endorsement is an important one; but will anyone outside of NY state really care? We’ll see. It will certainly get a LOT of press coverage and that will probably help Obama.

  212. The Cycle has come to its own as a program. It’s youthful, energetic but civilized. Just sucks that the nasty Martin Bashir snarkfest follows it.

  213. Andy, what’s not to be civilized about? The Cycle rarely has on any Repubs/conservatives as guests and SE doesn’t disagree TOO much with her liberal co-hosts. The other day SE was describing how MSNBC put them up in a hotel during the storm and how they bonded as a “family.” She said in the hotel they ran into some people from “that other network” and I’m sure she wasn’t referring to CNN. So now that she’s on MSNBC (and not getting great ratings), she disses the network that made her a “star” in conservative circles. Gutfeld mentioned her a couple of times and had nothing but nice things to say about her. I hope MSNBC is paying her well because I can see a change in her attitude/beliefs already.

  214. The “Jeep-China controversy” is bullsh!t. Moving a plant from one state to another has nothing to do with having a Chinese plant building American cars for the American market. It’s not happening, and you, Larry, are propagating a lie. Cut it out.

  215. That big sex scandal that Drudge and DC were pushing last night turned out to be a big nothing. I don’t even think Fox is covering it, and that says a lot.

  216. No worries, Fritz. All three cablers carried Romney’s speech this morning, then FNC bailed out of Obama to talk to Tucker about hookers. Pigs interviewing pigs.

  217. @DickMorrisTweet: Whether deliberately or not, the NY Times/CBS/Quinnipiac Poll is wrong! It shows Obama carrying OH, FL, & VA.

  218. Maybe Dick Morris can find my youth in his little fantasy-world. That would be great!

  219. Taegan Goddard‏@politicalwire

    Chrysler executive to Donald Trump: “You are full of shit!” http://pwire.at/VGtVbr

  220. Taegan Goddard‏@politicalwire

    Chrysler executive to Donald Trump: “You are full of sh!t!” http://pwire.at/VGtVbr

  221. That’s pretty funny.

  222. “… has nothing to do with having a Chinese plant building American cars for the American market. It’s not happening, and you, Larry, are propagating a lie. Cut it out.”

    Don’t be too sure, Joe. We (my old company) built a plant in China eight years ago to “make our product for sale in China”. After about three years they started sending hardware components to the USA assembly plants. Now the South Carolina workers are fearful of all assembly moving to an expanded China plant. Engineering remains in Ohio, and that’s what I took care of at the end of my career. Now the guys find themselves flying to China as often as flying to South Carolina. Besides being away from their families they hate the food. Love SC barbecue but have to guess what they are eating half the time in China.

    Just don’t be too sure of things. Promises get made. Promises get broken. We were told in 1976 the core of manufacturing would never leave Ohio. Now all that remains is engineering and a fully automated, very technical small component facility. 4000 Ohio jobs when I started are now at 150.

  223. Pastor Joseph Lowery, a civil rights movement hero who delivered the benediction at President Obama’s inauguration, reportedly said that he is shocked that any black Americans would stay home with Obama on the ballot and suggested that all or most white people would go to hell.

    He claims he was joking, but I’m not too amused. I didn’t return the candy I stole as a kid to go to hell anyway.

  224. “Now all that remains is engineering and a fully automated, very technical small component facility. 4000 Ohio jobs when I started are now at 150.”

    ^^ That’s one of the main reasons why the unemployment numbers are as bad as they are and why good high paying jobs will be hard to get back.

  225. We already use some components made in China in our cars…this is no secret. The implication that we’re going to close an entire plant and have a Chinese one build the whole car for our market is a baldfaced lie. Nobody is doing it, and I’m not sure they’re even allowed to per union and bailout rules. Jeep is not closing a plant to open one in China. Period.

  226. All the bluster in the world can’t guarantee the future… PERIOD.

  227. and Fritz is right (did I say that). Ohio has moved toward a high tech service state to yield its best paying jobs. Ohio’s many universities are turning out terrific people in technical careers where they are needed in engineering, information technology and medical. They also partner with companies to develop platforms for high tech research and design. The 150 jobs my company still has in Ohio are high paying and would cost so many millions and so much risk to transport elsewhere, the idea has been abandoned several times. The best medical facilities in the country like the Cleveland Clinic are also tied to the universities to create the talent they need. The mindset of graduating college to work a life-long production-line job no longer exits.

  228. All the bluster in the world doesn’t justify making up a story out of thin air, then pretending it’s an imminent threat. Mitt Romney and his buddy Trump are lying to the American people about how the auto industry works, and what Chrysler’s plans are for Jeep. The American auto industry is growing again here, as well as having a good run from separate plants in China. Any other version of that story is complete BULL.

  229. imnotblue Says:

    Hmmm… who has a better idea of how the American auto industry works… businessman Trump, businessman Romney… or car enthusiast, Joe? Hmmm… tough call on who to believe.

  230. The point I was trying to make Larry is that when those 4000 jobs became 150 it wasn’t the fault of Obama or Romney. It was either jobs being replaced by robots or other more efficient equivalents or jobs being outsourced to a plant, either in the US or outside the country, that payed a lower wages, had fewer benefits, had less regulations and/or less safe working conditions. The result is more profits for the company and yet thousands more families moving from the upper middle class to the lower middle class or working poor.

  231. Do your homework, Blue. Romney and Trump are blowing smoke up your a$$, and every intelligent person with the remotest knowledge of the auto industry knows it. The charges are baseless.

  232. “Hmmm… who has a better idea of how the American auto industry works… businessman Trump, businessman Romney… or car enthusiast, Joe? Hmmm… tough call on who to believe.”

    I think Chrysler and GM know more about the American automobile industry than Donald Trump or Mitt Romney do. Romney’s a venture capitalist — not a former CEO of GM.

  233. The lengths some of you will go to in defending Mitt the lying liar and Lyin’ Paul Ryan is incredible.

  234. You’re still right Fritz. My point is the only way to survive is to stay a step ahead with a technological advantage. It’s actually been that way since the start of the industrial revolution. The twenty years after WW II lulled people into a sense of security that many factors worked to evaporate: technology and the gobal economy being the biggest.

  235. Rand Paul was on Erin Burnett’s show trying to argue that FEMA should have a small or no role in disasters like Sandy. He gave the example of a tornado that hit his home state awhile back.

    After the disaster local churches got together and were able to feed a couple of thousands first responders for a short time. It seemed to escape his logic that this example of feeding a few thousand people for a few days in a small part of one state is not the same as dealing with 40 million people after a major disaster in ten states.

    The Red Cross, Salvation Army, churches, first responders and states all have a role to play in a major disaster but so does the federal government though FEMA and a dozen other departments and agencies that only they have the personal, equipment, expertise, and financial viability to provide at short notice.

  236. I hope Bloomberg’s endorsement of Obama puts an end to those comments that said he was dissing the POTUS when he asked him to put off a visit to NY yesterday.

    Romney shouldn’t be too disappointed though; he still has the endorsement of that other NY based billionaire – ‘The Donald’. ;-)

  237. Bye bye, Mitt. Try less lying next time, douchebag.

  238. ^^well said, Fritz

    ^meh, I think the mayor felt he had to make amends. He is looking for a lot of federal money

  239. imnotblue Says:

    Wait… so you guys now believe and like CEOs? When did that change happen? I thought all those rich “1%ers” were not to be trusted.

    So the CEO of Chrysler says no. Next you’re going to tell me the CEO of Solyndra said they were in good financial standings.

    RE: FEMA

    I think FEMA, coming in and imagining they know more than the locals on the ground, is foolish. They should supply support, but not necessarily leadership. Of course, a lot of that depends on the disaster itself… but in general, I’ll trust the locals much more than outsiders with little to no understanding of existing town/community dynamics.

  240. My carrots skip over Joe who apparently has just gone insane.

  241. There is no history of American auto manufacturers closing plants in N. America, then moving production to China to serve the same market. How many times do you have to be told this? No history, no evidence of that changing. Mitt made it up out of whole cloth…a complete fabrication. In today’s politics you can say “this is A Thing”, and now we’re expected to debate The Thing as if it’s A Thing. It’s vapor, and anyone who pretends otherwise is a liar or stupid. Your choice.

  242. imnotblue Says:

    Uh-oh… now Romney might not win the state of New York. And it was so close before.

    *rolls eyes*

    @ Larry

    Joe didn’t “go” insane. He didn’t start out sane, so there’s no where to go.

    But don’t forget… he’s “undecided.” Or was, for about 6 seconds.

    Now he’s just extra whiney, and stomp on the floor until he gets his way childish. But that too, isn’t really all that different.

  243. “I think the mayor felt he had to make amends. He is looking for a lot of federal money”

    ^^I don’t think money played a role. NY, NJ, are going to get all the help the want; even after the election ends.

    Bloomberg gave a list of policies; a belief in: climate change, gay rights, abortion rights,Obamacare, education and infrastructure spending to name but a few policies he favors. Lower taxes, more coal mining and oil drilling and putting FEMA in the hands of the states weren’t mentioned.

    I don’t think a Romney endorsement was ever in play. It’s just that Sandy made it clear to him what a disaster for the nation Romney would be.

  244. Right, Blue. It’s all my attitude. Has nothing to do with a presidential candidate throwing an American industry under the bus with a baldfaced lie to try to scare people into voting for him. What he did is unpatriotic, and you’re the same for supporting it. I voted third party. Suck it.

  245. “I think the mayor felt he had to make amends. He is looking for a lot of federal money”

    ^^I don’t think money played a role. NY, NJ, are going to get all the help the want; even after the election ends.

    Bloomberg gave a list of policies; a belief in: climate change, g*y rights, abortion rights, Obamacare, education and infrastructure spending to name but a few policies he favors. Lower taxes, more coal mining and oil drilling and putting FEMA in the hands of the states weren’t mentioned.

    I don’t think a Romney endorsement was ever in play. It’s just that Sandy made it clear to him what a disaster for the nation Romney would be.

  246. The Red Cross, Salvation Army, churches, first responders and states all have a role to play in a major disaster but so does the federal government though FEMA

    For the most part, private agencies such as Red Cross and Salvation Army, along with the first-responders borrowed from other states are FEMA’s manpower and equipment. FEMA’s people have clipboards, phone numbers, and charge cards to pay for the private company help that the governor’s representatives order.

  247. Al; I think your totally wrong but even if it were partly true FEMA would still be a required service in a big disaster just like the ACOE, the Forestry Service, Defense Dept. or DHS to name but a few federal departments,agencies and services that are helping out in this disaster.

  248. savefarris Says:

    Lawrence going after Romney for not answering a reporter’s questions for the past 23 days.

    Say Lawrence: other than Letterman/Leno/Stewart, when was the last time Obama sat for an on-camera interview or answered a question from the WHPC?

  249. imnotblue Says:

    Jack @$$ Prediction:
    If Romney wins, Joe will complete the rage cycle… moving from hypocritically calling people he disagrees with “unpatriotic,” to calling them “N@zis.”

  250. Fritz, I didn’t say FEMA is unnecessary; it serves an important function. My point is that the agency is not what many seem to think it is, nor should it be. It isn’t even a disaster “planning” outfit. FEMA’s stated primary purpose from its conception is to coordinate – it doesn’t actually do anything. It’s greatest strength is in its small-ness, able to ignore all the tangles of bureaucratic largesse. So it was a big mistake when they put the agency under DHS back in 2003 because now its director and personnel have to play the “big department” game making them “go through channels” and bs.

    FEMA’s job is to find the types of skilled people and equipment that a state’s own disaster team asks for, make arrangements to pay for those, and then get out of the way.

    I hope President Romney reorganises FEMA back into the small and fast-acting outfit that it should be, focused only on those relatively few things that the states aren’t able to for for themselves during an emergency.

  251. Calling out an American manufacturer for selling jobs to China, when they are doing no such thing, is an affront to the workers of America. It’s an unpatriotic lie.

  252. When the unpatriotic cult member triumphs, I for one, will celebrate.

  253. Good for you. I still love my country.

  254. God Bless my underwear.

  255. In Hanes we trust.

  256. Not from Peking nor are they Beijing bling?

    ^^ I hope Larry wadn’t saluting when he wrote that.

  257. Is English your first language?

  258. Chickie est âne intelligent.

  259. Tu es très mignon.

  260. Hey… remember those days when the left saw great insult in people on the right saying (implying… or imagining they implied) that just because they didn’t agree or support them, they were “unAmerican?”

    Yeah. Good times.

    “Racists,” “unAmerican,” “unpatriotic,” liars,” “fascists,” blah blah blah. This is what happens when you don’t have a record to run on.

  261. Anyone remember when the right wing dumbassophere was “Un-American” to criticize a President in wartime. Well, I still see boots on the ground in Afghanistan.

  262. Let’s talk about those who are unpatriotic according to Obama’s definition! He’s the most unpatriotic president we have ever had (using his own definition of course!)!!!

    “The problem is, is that the way Bush has done it over the last eight years is to take out a credit card from the Bank of China in the name of our children, driving up our national debt from $5 trillion for the first 42 presidents — #43 added $4 trillion by his lonesome, so that we now have over $9 trillion of debt that we are going to have to pay back — $30,000 for every man, woman and child. That’s irresponsible. It’s unpatriotic.”

  263. So.. you lose your house to a fire or being flooded out and now when you could use some help (which you paid for through your taxes) the magnificent Mayor Bloomberg does this!

    “precious city resources were also being diverted to prepare for the marathon, including more than a dozen NYPD flatbed trucks taken from disaster-relief work at sites including Breezy Point, Queens, where more than 100 homes burned to the ground.

    The trucks, normally used to carry metal barricades for parades and other events, had been transporting residents hard hit by the storm.

    But they’re all being recalled to get cleaned up so they can bring the barriers that will line the route of the marathon, a police source said.

    Plans call for up to 100 cops from all around the city to deploy the barricades today.

    Other sources said NYPD and Department of Transportation personnel who had been providing relief on Staten Island were told to drop what they were doing and report to Brooklyn today to get ready for the marathon.

    Staten Island Councilman James Oddo said, “The notion of taking one cop, one first responder, one resource, one asset and diverting it so that they stand at a post to watch runners go by when we’re still searching for bodies? It’s sinful to me!’’”

    Gotta think there are misplaced priorities here.

  264. imnotblue Says:

    Right… and that was so awful.

    So awful, in fact, that the leftwing dumbassosphere (great phrase, I hope you continue to use it in every. single. post. so clever), has decided they’re no longer offended by it, and it’s their responsibility to now do the same thing they complained about.

    Hypocrisy! It’s what makes the left right.

  265. The Left is not serious about their outrage at the right; it’s all an act. All they care about is outcomes and feigned outrage is just another tool. Hypocrisy, civility, patriotism, are just weapons in their fight. Demand things of the opposition. Ignore them for yourself.

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