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  1. I am watching Imus in the Morning on FBN the majority of them think Obama is going to have a second term. Warner Wolf is the only one who thinks Romney is going to win.

  2. imnotblue Says:

    I’ve been disenfranchised!

    I went to my polling place, and they sent me somewhere else! Where’s Al Sharpton?! Where’s the NBPP? Where’s the Tea Party?

    And I’m over it. Found the other place no problem. People were friendly and helpful.

    And in other news… I bought gas and waited on no line for it! AMAZING!

  3. One cable network will be happy with the outcome,
    one will be sad.
    One will profess impartiality,
    but there’s still bias to be had.

  4. Prediction time:
    Obama wins popular vote: O 49.3 – R 47.6
    Romey wins swing states; Fla, NC, and NH
    Obama wins swing states; OH, Wis, Nev, Colo, Va and Iowa,
    Senate: stays about the same as now. +/- 1 seat
    Mass – Warren (D) by 5% pickup D
    Fla —- Nelson (D) by 4% stays the same
    AZ —– Flake (R) by 2% ” ” ”
    Nev —-Heller (R) by 3% ” ” ”
    MO —- McCaskill (D) by 3% ” ” ”
    Kan —- Fischer (R) by 4% pickup R
    OH —– Brown(D) by 5% stays the same
    Ma —– King (I/D) by12% pickup D?
    Conn — Murphy (D) by 3% ” ? D
    Ind —– Donnelly (D) by 6% pickup D
    VA ——Kaine (D) by 2% stays the same
    ND —– Berg (R) by 3% pickup R
    Wis —- Baldwin (D) by <1% stays the same
    Mon —-Tester (D) by <1% " " "
    House stays with Repubs but Dems pick up 7 seats. West and Walsh lose; Bachmann squeeks in.
    Ballot questions:
    Minn. goes pro gay marriage. Wash. legalizes marijuana.

  5. The thing that may alter a lot of these close races tonight; and one that not many have been discussing; is the role of third party candidates.

    Gary Johnson (in a number of states) and Virgil Goode (in Virginia) may play a spoiler role much like Nader in 2000.

  6. Are the Democrats trying to steal PA? From Instapundit:

    Democratic Party operatives are evicting court-appointed Republican poll watchers from polling places in Philadelphia. Specifically, this reportedly has happened in Ward 32, Div 13; Ward 43, Div 14; Ward 56, Div 1; Ward 56, Div 22; Ward 32, Div 28; Ward 32, Div 28; Ward 12, Div 17; Ward 39, Div 1; Ward 24, Div 9; Ward 18, Div 25; Ward 43, Div 14; Ward 29, Div 18; Ward 65, Div 19; Ward 20, Div 1; and Ward 6, Div 11. The idea is to kick out the Republicans, then stuff the box with ballots marked for Obama. This is how some of these precincts have achieved 99 to 100% turnout in past elections.

    The story is, as they say, developing…

    UPDATE: The New Black Panthers are out, too, “guarding” the same voting location where they were

  7. Ah yes carol, let the conspiracy theories begin! News flash; Drudge is not always correct.

  8. Ah, Fritz, that was from Powerline, not Drudge. And why do you find it so hard to believe? Look it up, it’s not a conspiracy theory, it’s news.

    I left something out, sorry:

    UPDATE: The New Black Panthers are out, too, “guarding” the same voting location where they were criminally prosecuted in 2008.

  9. The DAILYFRITZ doesn’t seem to understand DRUDGE does not report news, but links to sites that do. You need to examine the linked source to ascertain credibility.

  10. The racist DOJ should have put the NEW (just as bad or worse than the old) BLACK PANTHERS behind bars, but the operative word is “black” in the corrupt Holder DOJ.

  11. “Ah, Fritz, that was from Powerline, not Drudge. And why do you find it so hard to believe? Look it up, it’s not a conspiracy theory, it’s news.”

    ^^Let me know when AP or Reuters is reporting the story; then it will be news. Otherwise its just right wing blog posts with no more relevance than voter suppression stories; that are going to be coming out of Florida and Ohio; that you on the right are going to discount as just left wing blog posts with no basis in truth.

    If you find the PA story valid i look forward to you finding the Florida/Ohio stories just as valid – although I won’t hold my breath. i don’t care about any of these rumors and will wait till tonight to see what happens.

  12. “The DAILYFRITZ doesn’t seem to understand DRUDGE does not report news, but links to sites that do. You need to examine the linked source to ascertain credibility.”

    ^^ I know that but whenever far right BS is posted; Drudge or Daily Caller are an easy way to get to the relevant blog posts. Any anti Obama crap out there will always eventually get posted to Drudge or DC. Pro Obama stuff – not so much.

  13. I think the rise of Gary Johnson has been criminally under-reported. He could be a serious threat to Romney in battleground states.

  14. wishful thinking

  15. Johnson isn’t taking his candidacy seriously. Why should anyone else?

  16. Guiliani is pushing the “FEMA should be placing generators” thing, claiming the response was as bad as Katrina. This idiocy will be dropped tomorrow.

  17. Democrats haven’t “dropped” Katrina yet, so I would say that’s unlikely.

  18. to be quickly replaced by new idiocy.

  19. Morning Joe started with an op-ed from Michael Gerson lamenting that the election is being covered as a horserace (it always is), then commenced with 6 hours of horserace coverage.

  20. You older boys and girls might appreciate this. I’d say he rates as “paleo”.

    @charlesmurray
    So I stared at MD’s g@y marriage prop, greatly conflicted between strategic objections and gay friends in loving relationships, and then…
    …said “What the hell,” and voted yes. The g@y couples I know behave as the Jonathan Rauch’s of the world said they would. So I gave up.

    God, I’m sick of moderation.

  21. You older boys and girls might appreciate this. I’d say he rates as “paleo”.

    @charlesmurray
    So I stared at MD’s g@y marriage prop, greatly conflicted between strategic objections and g@y friends in loving relationships, and then…
    …said “What the hell,” and voted yes. The g@y couples I know behave as the Jonathan Rauch’s of the world said they would. So I gave up.

    GOD, I’m sick of moderation.

  22. Moderation in the defense of liberty is no virtue.

    BUT
    as long as I’m not forced to buy wedding gifts, I could care less

  23. I HATE that. Got moderated twice. If I copy/paste, they always get past me.

  24. MSNBC makes CNN look like a meeting of the John Birch Society.
    @johnnydollar01
    Exactly what an impartial journalist would say. RT @joanwalsh: Great to hear @mitchellreports call a 7-8 hour wait to vote a “poll tax.”

  25. “Democrats haven’t “dropped” Katrina yet, so I would say that’s unlikely.” – laura

    Ah, yes, true but when a reporter goes trolling Former FEMA Chief Michael Brown for his reaction post-Sandy, he could have said “no comment.”

    But alas, he did not. tee-hee-hee.

  26. If “failure” was an issue, there’s a whole lot of people we’d see a lot less of, and not miss them a bit.

  27. After all, what are Bobs Shrum and Beckel known for, if not leading their candidates to (in one case, historic) losses?

  28. Hey Joe… according to Mediaite, Chris Matthews thinks you’re an idiot.

  29. savefarris Says:

    AHHHH: My hotel doesn’t have MSNBC! I can’t watch the freak fest!!!!!

  30. savefarris Says:

    Exit Polls:
    6 in 10 say economy issue #1
    6 in 10 say economy is stagnating/getting worse
    3 in 4 say they personally are same/worse off.

    Blowout.

  31. I don’t know what happened with Matthews this morning. He looked like he had just been rolled out of the drunk tank, and he lost his mind about three words into his first sentence. He started to answer Alex’s first question, then he shifted to yelling that anybody who hadn’t voted yet shouldn’t be watching her show. He repeated this weirdness 3 or 4 times, then Alex tried to tell him to “give my show a break”..which really set him off.

    Eventually she got around to asking another question, which he interrupted, prompting her to say, “Wait, I’m not done.” She was seriously pissed, and looked like she was about ready to kick him off the set. Mercifully he was gone after the commercial. A truly bizarre moment.

  32. Stress. Matthews has a lot emotionally invested with Obama winning. Expect he envisions the end of the world if it doesn’t happen. He is an emotional fellow.

  33. imnotblue Says:

    If something drastic happens, like Romney winning Pennsylvania (which to me, is a “shut off the television” moment, because Romney will win it all, and you can spend the rest of the night not watching breathless coverage)… Matthews might literally have a heart attack on air.

    You know what, change that. If Romney wins Pennsylvania, then just tune to MSNBC to see what happens… don’t turn off the television. The reaction will be talked about for a loooong time.

  34. Ah, but if Obama wins, MSNBC will be a symphony of progressive glee. Stay away unless you are prepared to witness special guest Tommy Christopher hump Chris Hayes’ leg.

  35. Time for Larry to leave the scene. TV Off. Router unplugged. I’ll check in with FNC at 7:00 AM. If Obama has won, off again for a 24 hour bender.

    Talk among yourself. May the best man win!

  36. May the best man win!

    Or woman. Jill Stein’s campaign says “we like what we’re seeing..”

  37. Not liking FNC’s lower thirds color scheme. Who thought that one up? ImNotBlue?

  38. imnotblue Says:

    Aww… now I wish I could see it!

  39. Guess I’ll be watching FBN & MSNBC. Can’t stand Wolf Blitzer but really wanted to watch some FNC.

  40. CNN is terrible at this. It’s endless repetition of campaign spin, followed by more rounds of “this could happen here if these numbers go this way”. They don’t talk about anything.

  41. Not liking MSNBC’s gfx package either. Looks like somebody just merged 3 different ideas together.. No flow. (Also shrinking the screen sorta like CNBC is lame.)

    Well, just found that luscious Norah on CBS so I’m parking it here for now.

  42. icemannyr Says:

    MSNBC SD is 4:3 letterboxed.

  43. CNN is using a weird fish-eye lens that makes everything look like a movie bad-dream sequence.

  44. Well there’s room for commercials so why not a quick headline recap of other stories? The world doesn’t stop just because one of the most important elections in the world is taking place.

  45. imnotblue Says:

    I like the FNC graphics. Simple, bold, easy to read.

    I don’t like that they keep bouncing around, but other than that, not bad.

    What’s the complaint?

  46. At 9:15est all the swing states are too close to call, but FNC is playing a funeral dirge. It’s pretty weird.

  47. imnotblue Says:

    FNC calls Pennsylvania for Obama.

  48. icemannyr Says:

    How many control rooms does FOX have for election coverage?
    FBN using studio G.
    FNC broadcasting from studio J.
    FOX Network using FNC studio H.
    FOX News Live internet coverage from FNC Studio E.

  49. imnotblue Says:

    And there goes Wisconsin…

  50. With the House in GOP control, and Obama’s very likely win, it will be the same crap all over again.

  51. imnotblue Says:

    Inclined to agree with The Outsider…

  52. Yep. Four more years bleating nonsense while nothing gets done.

  53. imnotblue Says:

    Well, Joe… that was going to happen either way.

  54. You see my problem.

  55. savefarris Says:

    NOT: Campaign ads
    HOT: ads for ‘Flight’

  56. imnotblue Says:

    There goes New Hampshire…

    Still surprised about Warren in Mass. She was/is a bad candidate. As Tucker just said, if Brown can’t win in Mass., no Republican is going to.

  57. imnotblue Says:

    Ugh… Palin and Greta. Boooring.

  58. imnotblue Says:

    Super tired of the, “we could be here really late,” talk. We get it. Calm down.

  59. Palin: “I’m disappointed. The media…”

  60. The BBC has Obama at 172

  61. Okay I confused 270 with 170

  62. The polls are wrong. Nate Silver is a shill for the Dems…

  63. savefarris Says:

    Did Brian Williams just hint that Obama’s going to clinch in the next 10 minutes?

  64. Diane Sawyer is bombed.

  65. savefarris Says:

    With a Republican House and Dem Senate, have we seen the last of the United States Budget?

  66. The electoral college system is really undemocratic. How does someone win without the most vote? Americans should really consider electoral reform.

  67. imnotblue Says:

    Nate Silver predicted Obama winning. I’m not overly impressed with that pick. Heck, even I said smart money stays with Obama.

    Show me the states he said would go which way, and compare it to other pundits/stats folks. Then maybe I’ll be impressed.

    Except Dick Morris. That guy needs to give some answers.

  68. icemannyr Says:

    ABC is the last network to not call the election for Obama.

  69. savefarris Says:

    Jindal/Rubio 2016 starts TONIGHT!!

  70. icemannyr Says:

    Some at FOX News like Hannity must be happy to get four more years to bash Obama.

  71. savefarris Says:

    Things we won’t see over the next 48 months:

    * a budget
    * a Presidential Press Conference
    * Israel
    * illegal aliens (cause they’ll all be amnesty-ized, see)
    * a drop in unemployment

  72. Savefarris, or Jeb Bush! BTW, the Repubs are disputing the Ohio results. 1/4 of Ohio’s votes have still not been counted. And Romney is only about 900 votes behind.

  73. savefarris Says:

    FNC is all about Megyn Kelly walking down a hall.

  74. savefarris Says:

    More things we won’t see:
    * a top credit rating
    * the end of QE-infinity
    * Jesse Jackson Jr. (hasn’t reported to his job in 6 months. his constituents seems to care not a whit.)

  75. Nearly everyone I know who has any interest in politics are cheering. They cheer but they can’t give a good reason for why they like Obama. The best argument I’ve heard involves bashing Southerners.

  76. To be fair Farris, isn’t Jackson suffering from mental health issues or something?

  77. Outsider, all the more reason why Jackson should not have been elected.

  78. imnotblue Says:

    “Mental health issues”

    AKA… Drug Addiction

  79. Karl Rove is battling his own network over the call in Ohio. This is what happens when your “analyst” has a 6 million dollar stake in the outcome.

  80. imnotblue Says:

    There’s a part of me that says for the sake of the Democrats, the economy better turn around, and big time. If not… 2014 will see a whole bunch of new Republicans in office, and blaming Bush won’t get a Democrat elected in 2016.

  81. Uh, yeah, Blue…mental illness often leads to addiction. This isn’t a joke.

  82. Who will win the popular vote? Several states have not been called.

  83. savefarris Says:

    Outsider 1: I think it’s the free phones and the “that rich guy you hate is gonna get his!!!”

    Outsider 2: So a guy who’s currently in-patient at a mental facility is qualifed to hold office? I mean, I know we hold politicians in low regard, but….

    —-

    In all the Ohio kerfuffle, what the heck happened to Florida? I thought we were “watching closely”.

  84. savefarris Says:

    CNN: All we really want to talk about his how the GOP needs to stop hate-criming Latinos.

  85. And Colorado and Virginia were being looked at closely. Not that Romney can win even if he wins those states, but it might help him win the popular vote.

  86. Really? All I read was “mental health issues”. I was thinking depression but that’s an eye-opener.

  87. savefarris Says:

    blaming Bush won’t get a Democrat elected in 2016.

    We all believed that in 2012 and look what happened. Just a hunch, but I’m betting any sort of inconvenient economic news will, deserved or not, get blamed on the House.

  88. @Farris: Definitely not ‘free phones and crap’ as they’re not Americans.

  89. So far Romney is winning the popular vote. Colorado was called for Obama.

  90. Colorado. and Washington vote to legalize small amounts of marijuana. big problem for the Feds.

    Romney refusing to concede.a real classy move.

  91. On FNC, someone was talking about how conservatives didn’t take the lies from the Demcrats seriously and thinking Americans wouldn’t buy them, but many americans did. As long as the majority of media outlets continue to hide and misinterpret facts, a lot of Americans will be easily fooled.

  92. Oh for God’s sake, here we go. “Obama won because the media blah blah blah.” Stfu.

  93. savefarris Says:

    Popular Vote: It’s down to 40K and most of California still to count. That lead’s not gonna hold.

    Romney refusing to concede: cry me a river. A Republican President hasn’t been allowed to give a victory speech on Election Night in 24 years.

  94. Chuck Todd just explained how Romney is going to lose Florida and Virginia as well as Ohio. The votes aren’t there. It’s over.

    Carol: Obama is going to win the popular vote by about 1-2%. he may even get to 50% which would be historic. Most of the remaining votes are on the west coast in CA, WA, OR etc.

  95. Real classy there Joe.

  96. It’s not arguable that the press covered up Benghazi. They also consistently downplay Democrat extremism on abortion, in favor of an illusory War on Women. Be happy that the bias favors you, and stop denying it. I could say stfu about it, but I won’t.

  97. savefarris Says:

    joe, keep pretending that the MSM doesn’t have their thumb (entire forearm) on the scales. We haven’t had a budget in 3 years, an American ambassador (and border agent) is dead due to negligence at best, malpractice at worst, and medicare will be bankrupt by the time Joe Biden starts a superPAC.

    And yet with all that, the most important story in this election was Mitt Romney’s tax returns. And rape.

  98. farris the media didn’t lose this election for the Republicans. It was demographics.

    You can’t win the POTUS with 30% of the Latino vote and 7% of the Af-Am vote.It’s impossible. It’s just arithmetic, as Clinton would say.

  99. Real classy there Joe.

    Yeah, I got a Canadian telling me that Obama won because Americans are stupid, and I’m the one with a “class” problem. Mitt Romney was a terrible candidate who had one good night, then frittered it away by lying his a$$ off to a state he desperately needed to win. You’re gonna cross my border and call us stupid? Stfu.

  100. Fox called VA for Obama. Florida’s outcome will not be known tonight. They will continue counting tomorrow morning.
    Romney is a good, decent man with a known record for fixing things. It’s a shame he didn’t defend himself after the barrage of nasty, hateful commercials from the Obama campaign. Hope and change, indeed.

  101. I love a sore winner.

  102. It’s a shame Romney couldn’t stick with a position, and lied his arse off on the way to an election he should have had in the bag. Most wins aren’t the result of a brilliant campaign, but rather a gift from a terrible one. “47%”, “Etch-A-Sketch”, “severe conservative”, “repeal Obamacare”, “I take credit for Obamacare”, “The Italians are shipping your job China”. Mitt Romney threw it away.

  103. What’s up, Republicans?

  104. Last week the MSM told us sandy victims didnt need a food drive……today our local food bank sent a truck load of food that was requested.

    Man I hate election season.

    My guy won…..in fact for once I was 100%…….however nothings going to change one bit in washington.

  105. Oh on Jackson Jr…..his problems IMHO are more about the fact that he looks like hes going to prison for a long time……funny that untill that story broke he had no mental or drug problems.

    BLOGO was the worst thing for this state in my lifetime.

  106. I love a sore winner.

    I wouldn’t look over someone’s border and call their people stupid for not voting the way I like. Outsider is an appropriate moniker, and he was out of line.

  107. It’s funny when you listen to the pundits after the election, and they’re no longer invested in pumping-up the candidate (except for Karl Rove, of course. He might not have conceded Ohio). All the things that were hunky dory a couple days ago suddenly may have been a problem. But God help the conservative who pointed that out at the time.
    Still, when you strip it all away, it came down to Sandy. Romney ran a ‘safe’ campaign, and tried to run-out the clock. Had the election been a week earlier, it would have worked. As it is, out of 110,000,000 votes, he lost by one million (according to Drudge). Far from a landslide, and something to keep in mind with the inevitable talk of losing the electorate.

  108. @Joe: Wow. I didn’t call Americans stupid (that’s for smug liberals outside the states to do). I could spend an eternity to defend myself but I know I won’t do a thing for you so I won’t spend too much time.
    Putting words in my mouth doesn’t help in proving me wrong. Anyone in any situation without all of the relevant facts cannot come up with the best decisions. These media outlets haven’t even given Americans the chance to consider Benghazi, etc and see if these matters should influence their choice along with the economy.

    Fox News and talk radio may have large audiences but the liberal media still makes up the majority of the market. Take a look at the combined viewership of ABC, NBC, and CBS and compare that to FNC for an example.

  109. Yeah, I’ll give a rat’s a$$ about your little theories when you stop pretending everything except FNC and conservative radio is “liberal media”, and that the whole country is blissfully unaware of Benghazi. It’s bull. There’s plenty of information out there – enough that I didn’t vote for Obama again – and the country made a decision: They didn’t consider it a fireable offense in the face of the alternative for the job. This isn’t rocket science..no one was “fooled”. A better candidate would have beat Barack Obama.

  110. savefarris Says:

    out of 110,000,000 votes, he lost by one million (according to Drudge). Far from a landslide, and something to keep in mind with the inevitable talk of losing the electorate.

    But that’s just it: it shouldn’t have been close. Any other incumbent with 7.9% unemployment, $6 trillion in new debt, a dead ambassador, author of the most unpopular legislation in decades, more rounds of golf played than budgets passed, and whose plan for medicare is “keep spending till it’s bankrupt” doesn’t even bother to run again, much less win.

    Yet people continued to vote for Obama. Either because he promised them a free phone and/or because they didn’t want Chris Matthews to think they were racist. If Republicans can’t beat Jimmy Carter 2.0…

  111. “If Republicans can’t beat Jimmy Carter 2.0…”

    ^^Then what? Your right in that given the economy Obama shouldn’t have won, but he did. He ran a better campaign and Americans elected him in an electorial college landslide.

    If Romney had of won the popular vote by 50 votes you would be saying he had a mandate so Obama has a mandate. He got over 50% of the popular vote.

    Does Boehner have a mandate? Yes, but so does Harry Reid. Boehner lost seats and Reid picked up seats so Bohner is in the weaker position. I think he will bluster that he’s going to hold the line on taxes but in the end in his his heart it he knows he has to compromise or lose the house in 2014.

  112. You can’t fight 21st Century demographics with a candidate and a party trying to recreate 1980. I’ve been telling you for years that the GOP was backing itself into a regional-party-only corner, and last night proved it.

    Young people and minorities showed up in large numbers, and they made it clear they’re not interested in the social safety net being dismantled, and the middle class continuing to be gutted, while some smug venture capitalist berates them for “punishing success” and “not being willing to take responsibility for themselves”. Apparently they weren’t thrilled with men explaining how rape works, either.

  113. imnotblue Says:

    @ Joe
    That wasn’t a dig at mental health folks. That was an, I’ve read that it’s drug addiction, and ‘mental health’ is what they’re saying instead. ‘Mental health’ is vague and easier to explain, I guess. Drug addiction, says you should be in jail.

  114. imnotblue Says:

    So what have we learned?

    Was Romney a poor candidate? Meh. He was an okay candidate, lacked the charisma and clarity needed to fight an incumbent like Obama. And had some hard to explain opinion changes, to be sure.

    So he wasn’t a great choice, but of the field the Republicans presented, he still was probably the best.

    Obama’s strength is his likeability, his confidence, and his social stances. Republicans need to realize that appealing to religious conservatives over issues like abortion and gay marriage aren’t going to serve them in the long run. The folks who support those things now, aren’t going to stop supporting them en mass, as they get older.

    Economically, the Democrats are now in a tough position. If things don’t get better by 2014, I predict Republicans will take the Senate. If things don’t get much better after that, 2016 will see another Republican President. The real problem is Democrats now must realize a good portion of their audience was still energized based on race, and racial policies (many of which are unsustainable in the long run, e.g. immigration). That should leave them fearful that in 2016, an old White guy, isn’t going to cut it… and opening our borders further will only lead to increased economic troubles.

    Frankly, I wouldn’t envy either party for winning this election. Sure, it gives perks for the SCOTUS. But I don’t believe charisma is going to carry Obama much farther, and we’re still in a heap of trouble that someone is now going to have to deal with, or finally take responsibility for. After two elections, I can’t imagine the “blame Bush” strategy working anymore.

  115. Lots of stuff i the entrails of the election that have not been talked abut yet that will have big effects going forward.

    For example Puerto Rico voted, for the first time in a referendum, to apply for US statehood. This will be a huge issue for the Republican House over the next two years as they get to decide if and when it happens. Do they create another overwhelming Democratic voting state or piss off Latinos all over the US by saying Puerto Rico can’t be a state. It’s a lose lose that could cost the Republican Partyt elections for a generation.

  116. imnotblue Says:

    So what have we learned?

    Was Romney a poor candidate? Meh. He was an okay candidate, lacked the charisma and clarity needed to fight an incumbent like Obama. And had some hard to explain opinion changes, to be sure.

    So he wasn’t a great choice, but of the field the Republicans presented, he still was probably the best.

    Obama’s strength is his likeability, his confidence, and his social stances. Republicans need to realize that appealing to religious conservatives over issues like abortion and g@y marriage aren’t going to serve them in the long run. The folks who support those things now, aren’t going to stop supporting them en mass, as they get older.

    Economically, the Democrats are now in a tough position. If things don’t get better by 2014, I predict Republicans will take the Senate. If things don’t get much better after that, 2016 will see another Republican President. The real problem is Democrats now must realize a good portion of their audience was still energized based on race, and racial policies (many of which are unsustainable in the long run, e.g. immigration). That should leave them fearful that in 2016, an old White guy, isn’t going to cut it… and opening our borders further will only lead to increased economic troubles.

    Frankly, I wouldn’t envy either party for winning this election. Sure, it gives perks for the SCOTUS. But I don’t believe charisma is going to carry Obama much farther, and we’re still in a heap of trouble that someone is now going to have to deal with, or finally take responsibility for. After two elections, I can’t imagine the “blame Bush” strategy working anymore.

  117. imnotblue Says:

    @ fritz

    Hadn’t hear that. I’ve always said PR should be a state… if we’re financially supporting them, as a “kinda state,” but getting little on our return, what’s the point. I’ve got no problem bringing them into the fold.

    But it’s a myth (and somewhat of a racist one) that all Spanish-speaking people want open borders, and for all illegal immigrants to receive citizenship right away.

  118. savefarris Says:

    they made it clear they’re not interested in the social safety net being dismantled

    “they” don’t have a choice. The safety net will go bankrupt, and there’s better than even odds it happens by the end of the decade. And unlike Greece, there’s noone to bail us out when we go belly-up.

    So what’s the answer? You may not like the one Republicans have, but at least they have one. The Democratic view is: “Crisis? What Crisis? This stuff grows on trees!!!”

  119. “I’ve always said PR should be a state… I’ve got no problem bringing them into the fold.”

    Republicans have been blocking Washington DC from getting a seat in Congress for decades (even when there is an offset in Utah) There’s no way they go for adding 10+/- sure Democratic votes, 2 Dem Senators and 5+/- Dem house seats.

    “But it’s a myth (and somewhat of a racist one) that all Spanish-speaking people want open borders, and for all illegal immigrants to receive citizenship right away.

    They don’t make Puerto Rico a state and they lose 90%+ of the US Peurto Rican vote from here on for decades. They become just like Cuban Floridians.

  120. imnotblue Says:

    I have no problem with DC not getting any seats. That just seems silly. Why do they need their own seats? So they can have Senators who represent Senators?

    And would that really be the numbers in PR? That many electoral and House seats?

    Oooh… and what would happen to the flag?!

  121. “I have no problem with DC not getting any seats. That just seems silly. Why do they need their own seats? So they can have Senators who represent Senators?”

    ^^ I’m talking about one House seat. not Statehood; but you know that. Yawn.

    “And would that really be the numbers in PR? That many electoral and House seats?”

    ^^The population is close to that of Oklahoma so 5 House seats seems about right. The electoral votes would be 7.

    “Oooh… and what would happen to the flag?!”

    ^^ Probably becomes the state flag if they become a state.

  122. imnotblue Says:

    Well, no I did not know that. But even one House seat… who cares? What is that going to accomplish?

    Wow… that’s more votes than I thought they’d get.

    No no… I mean the US flag, not the PR flag.

  123. Jackson, Jr. was diagnosed with clinical depression. I think he had a weight-loss opeation which seems to have triggered it.

  124. imnotblue Says:

    Even if that’s true, Joe. Don’t you think while you’re trying to get that under control, a place of political leadership is not for you?

  125. Yep. He has no business in politics in the shape he’s in.

  126. So what have we learned?

    Something I would like to learn: Non-Hispanic whites are always broken down into subsets such as age, sex, education, geography, etc, when discussing their views/politics. Non-whites are usually discussed en bloc. Why?

  127. Because whites have historically been a majority which covers all of the political spectrum, therefore requiring a finer breakdown. As minorities become a larger part of the voting base, those breakdowns will be applied to them, too. Soon.

  128. savefarris Says:

    Republicans have been blocking Washington DC from getting a seat in Congress for decades

    They’re more than welcome to re-join Maryland.

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