^ Hey, its called stimulus, don’t knock it!!! LOL!!
No one seems to be interested in the topic, so I’ll talk to myself (not a new thing for me): It’s possible that Romney’s polls weren’t as disasterously wrong as they now seem. I said the night before the election that sometimes they fall heavily one way on the final day because everyone wakes up that morning and says, “Ah screw it..I can’t vote for that other guy.”
Even folks who thought Obama would win expected a squeaker..not the drubbing Romney took. I think there’s a good chance the Obama wave picked up late and fast, and that includes apathetic people who decided at the last minute to vote. Mitt can thank his party’s attempts to restrict voting in liberal areas for that gem..
The few exit polls I saw (and they weren’t many) seemed to indicate that Sandy was more of a October Surprise than everyone figured. Romney’s polls, as late as they were, still weren’t late enough to pick up the my-doesn’t-Obama-look-presidential boomlet.
That said, despite the Electoral College, this wasn’t the drubbing that you (and the “mandate” crowd) are portraying it as. To be sure, Romney lost what should have been a blowout given the usual indicators. (And in that sense, it was a “drubbing”.) But 200,000 votes accross 4 states is in fact something to sneeze at. And we’d be having a much different conversation today.
Uh huh. He beat Romney worse than Bush beat Kerry. You remember that election? “I have political capital, and I intend to use it.” Romney got slaughtered..losing all three of his home states. Obama has a mandate.
And if it was wrong for GWB… it’s right for Obama.
Same as it ever was.
Who said it was wrong for Bush? As far as I’m concerned, a big win deserves big respect. If my side gets clobbered, my side better start dealing with what went wrong, beginning with accepting that a large majority of the country doesn’t see things our way. That’s the rules, kids. Reagan clobbered the Dems twice, and this was most definitely Reagon Country then.
Losing the popular vote by only 3.5 million is not exactly a drubbing.
Just because you won the last game doesn’t mean we have to deed over the ballpark to you. As a matter of fact, we just might stick the bat up your ***.
He also got fewer votes than he did in 2008. The only person who cam claim a legitimate mandate in this election is … (gulp!) Harry Reid.
“I have political capital, and I intend to use it.”
And remind me: did the Dems rollover and let Bush reform Social Security and name his Supreme nominees without fanfare? Or did they fight, spit and block every step of the way?
Popular schmopular. We judge elections by states won, and Obama won a lot of them. Including every state the other ticket could possibly claim as a home. It was a drubbing.
Farris, nobody said the losing side can’t fight back. Just don’t expect to get far with it.
Oh, and Social Security reform was insane. The country had no interest in tying it to the stock market. When you have a mandate, it’s helpful to know what for.
“The White House this week finally explained just how serious it is about averting a fiscal cliff that could throw the country back into a recession. The answer: not serious at all.” http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323751104578149683529641150.html
Far-leftist Naomi Klein wrote a book called ‘The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism’ where she argued that the IMF took advantage of many South American countries’ crises to radically change the structure of those economies by forcing extreme spending cuts and extreme de-regulation. It looks like Obama is using the same tactic but in a less radical form and using it to push the American economy into the opposite direction. Leave no crisis wasted.
He should just say that the “visuals” are bad.
The visuals are bad. Reacting to a ‘changing demographic’ election with a bunch of white people zeroing in on a black woman is a suicide mission for the Republican Party. The Three Stooges made a$$es of themselves.
Because Republicans are assumed to be racist, so we should just accept that and play along. There’s your liberal “healing”.
Suit yourselves, but if I was a Republican politician right now, I’d refrain from calling a black female Rhodes Scholar incompetent and stupid.
Ezra Klein Alert: MSNBC is keeping the Last Word going on Friday, and letting Ezra host it.
Racist, sexist, bigot, h0mophobe. Did I miss anything? You all can keep calling names, since it seems to work for you.
Sarah Palin has the oddest pair of lights hitting her glasses on Greta. Kinda bizarre when she moves around.
“Oh, and Social Security reform was insane. The country had no interest in tying it to the stock market. When you have a mandate, it’s helpful to know what for.” — joeremi
Yes, Bush didn’t campaign on Social Security privitazation – he slipped that in later. We were right to kill that in the cradle. And we did work with Bush – we helped authorize the Iraq War, we played along on No Child Left Behind, and we were willing to play ball on Immigration reform. And yeah, THE BUSH TAX CUTS!!!!!! So, don’t act like Democrats were obstructionist.
It really is all they got. they’re not the party of idea.
I didn’t call anybody anything. I said that the visuals make the Republican Party look like out of touch idiots with no concept of how a majority of the country would perceive such a stupid stunt. Hey, I’m not a Republican, and don’t like their approach to governance. Fine with me if they keep fckin up.
Greta – “Am I too hard on politicians?” Even Sarah Palin seemed taken aback by the stupidity of the question.
IMHO, the criticism towards Susan Rice is deeply unfair and I am disappointed that McCain has chosen this fight, HOWEVER, Kristen Powers got it right when she said that calling this a racist/sexist attack is just toxic. Honestly, I think it hurts the credibility of Democrats to constantly call it racist (there are many ways to fight back against McCain’s witch hunt but declaring racism isn’t it). Yes, the visuals are bad. Yes, they are attacking Rice because she is a much easier target than Clinton or Kerry. I don’t think that is because she is black or female, it’s because she is less known and has a much lower profile so she is easy to define in the public mind. For pete’s sake, Kerry and Clinton ran for President, you can’t hammer them without some blowback. It’s not because they are white, its because they are powerful and well-known.
There is plenty of racism and sexism that is both obvious and subtle. Muddying the waters by crying wolf every single time does no service to fighting discrimination.
Susan Rice’s race is irrelevant and McCain’s harsh words weren’t sexist, either. That the senator called the UN ambassador “not very bright” was unnecessary… and not very bright.
AC360 was at 10:30pm ET.
Isha Sesay was hosting a special segment as Martin Savidge interviewed John McAfee today and they just played the “exclusive” interview and talked to Martin.
After the break they went back to tape from 8pm.
we helped authorize the Iraq War, we played along on No Child Left Behind, and we were willing to play ball on Immigration reform. And yeah, THE BUSH TAX CUTS!!!!!!
All 1st term items, except for immigration which A) Bush was negotiating with the rest of his party, not so much Democrats and B) didn’t pass anyway. For the purposes of this particular discussion: irrelevant.
I think they can do better than Ezra.
MSNBC must be desperately wanting to fill that slot.
“HOWEVER, Kristen Powers got it right when she said that calling this a racist/sexist attack is just toxic.”
Kirsten got her facts wrong in her exchange with Touré. McCain DID say Susan Rice was not very bright and she denied it.
I don’t think it’s a race thing, but the appearance is bad… especially since the GOP continues to trash Sonia Sotomayor.
Powers corrected herself, when she heard the actual quote. She was referring to another.
I’m sick of hearing about “appearance”. If people, including ours, can’t grow the f\ck up and accept that women and “minorities” are going to be criticized the same way as white males are, we’ll just have to assume that you’re using these people as shields against your sh\tty policies and poor decision-making. Eventually, God willing, the general public will also see it for what it is. Until then “shut up” is not an option.
But Susan Rice isn’t being criticized for her decisions… she’s the scapegoat who’s being criticized for the CIA’s poor decision making.
She’s being attacked as a proxy for the Administration, as would anyone else who sold that story on five Sunday shows. That doesn’t change anything.
Come on Laura, you know it’s all a distraction. The Republican Party isn’t interested in the truth about security failures … they want a head and Susan Rice is an easy target.
Rice was provided the talking points from the CIA. What she said is what they authorized her to say. Going after Susan Rice and continuing to harp on this, when the GOP KNOWS that it’s nothing more than what I just said, is foolish. Republicans know what they’re doing. I mean, look how they went out of the way to fault the entire intelligence community over 9/11 and Iraq while excusing their party leaders…. but now they want heads.
There’s a reason this has a bad appearance. Of course it’s not racism or sexism — it’s partisan politics. That’s all this is. That’s all the fake outrage over Benghazi is — partisan politics.
The best way, according to the left, to prove equality and be all nicey-nice… is to never criticize a woman or minority. Never allow any criticism a moment of contemplation or discussion, and claim “racism,” “sexism,” or “h0mophobia” whenever possible.
Unless, you’re a Democrat, and the woman or minority in question is a Republican. Then you can be overtly racist, sexist, or h0mophobic… and everything is a-okay.
You guys can keep ignoring the facts all you want, but they’re still facts. The “appearance” has nothing to do with Susan Rice being attacked as a proxy for the administration. It’s the way she was attacked that smells racist/sexist. “Incompetent” and “not too bright” are bizarre accusations, and make the accusers look like pigs. I’ve specified the problem numerous times, and you keep ignoring it for a generalized “they always call us racist” argument. It’s lazy.
Quit being so obtuse Blue. Nobody’s saying we shouldn’t criticize any minorities. I’m simply saying that criticizing a black woman for something that, honestly, is not the scandal the dumbassophere wants it to be, it has a bad appearance.
The problem in politics is that, when an investigation is aimed at the direction of “heads must roll”, you lose track of what you should be investigating to start with. The Democrats did it with the whole Scooter Libby/Valarie Blame BS and the Republicans are doing it now.
Joe, you should know by now that Facts aren’t welcome in the Republican Party.
I should know by now that if my specific argument can’t be refuted, they’ll just generalize it into something I didn’t say, then attack me for that. It’s a foolproof “we’re never wrong” strategy. And lazy.
@Joe “Incompetent” and “not too bright” are bizarre accusations, and make the accusers look like pigs.
I agree… we NEVER that stuff about Republicans from Democrats. George W. Bush was never called that. Sarah Palin was never called that. Heck, even on FOX nobody has ever been called that!
Nope. Never happened before this moment. Nuh-uh. Never.
No, I agree with you. Just because anytime there is a scandal or a botched response to something from the government, we need to treat this one differently, when it appears the “person who will pay,” is a minority. That’s simply unacceptable… or looks unacceptable (I’m not sure which one is more correct this minute, but I’m sure it will change in the next, so I’ll keep both).
When it comes to bearing responsibility for someone’s own words, we cannot hold a woman or minority responsible. Obama’s not responsible for the decisions he makes, they’re all just a reaction to GWB! Toure’ isn’t responsible for being a Truther, and Sharpton isn’t responsible for being a racist… and it’s inappropriate to point out when they go over the line. And it’s really wrong to say that Susan Rice, should hold some responsibility for going out and lying all over the national news.
Like I said, equality isn’t achieved through treating people equally. It’s achieved by giving special privileges to certain people, and treating them like children who don’t know any better! Now I know what you’re thinking… that’s pretty condescending. But don’t worry, it’s not. Because I say it’s not. It’s, um, just equality!
Susan Rice didn’t lie. Quit lying about this.
Blue, the problem is the dumbassophere wants to hold Susan Rice, and only Susan Rice, responsible for everything. That’s why it has the appearance of racism and sexism. She was told, by the CIA, for National Security reasons, what to say. If anyone’s responsible for this non-scandal, it’s the CIA.
The investigation should be focused on why there was no security. But what happens is, this thing turned political because, once again, Darrell Issa wants a head on a platter instead of the truth. So, they’re going after Susan Rice and completely ignoring the actual situation (sounds just like “Fast and Furious” and the other “scandals” Congressman Issa has manufactured).
Andy is right, but like I said..suit yourselves. This country was given an opportunity to reward this ridiculous behavior, and we said NO. So you keep trotting white people out there to single out a black woman doing what was requested of her, and calling her stupid. Good luck ever winning another election with that..
Oh lookie, here’s Gregg Jarrett to interview Judge Jeanine concerning “new questions” about Susan Rice. This is laughable.
John McCain’s reputation is forever tarnished. He sold his soul to the GOP when he nominated the Alaskan Airhead for his VP, then sold his soul to the TEA Party because he was facing a primary challenge from a genuine idiot. Now, he’s going along with the Darrell Issa crapoola.
It’s especially infuriating after the way John McCain and his cronies cried “sexism” every single time Sarah Palin didn’t get favorable press.
Former AG Michael Mukasey (Republican, of course) wrote a Rice-bashing editorial for The Wall Street Journal (Murdoch-owned), which now qualifies as “new concerns” for Jeanine to b!tch about tonight on Fox (Murdoch-owned). Guess who her guest will be..?
John McCain is a crotchedy old man apparently still irritated that he lost to Obama. He doesn’t seem to realize that calling a black women stupid is an ugly stereotype, and doesn’t seem to care. But Richard Wolfe is out of line. John McCain is not racist. He’s just mean.
You two talk to each other. It’s not worth my time. I would have linked the one guy if it was only him. Christ.
Only takes Andy’s stupid use of the word “nobody” to have one single example prove him wrong. Not that he would ever admit such an obvious thing.
He really should move to MEDIAITE where there are hundreds just like him. Some even smarter.
You two talk to each other. It’s not worth my time.
Since I backed up your account, I don’t appreciate the attitude.
Rice is basically just a flack who blew her credibility by proclaiming a theory dogmatically on five occasions on the same day that she had every reason to believe was much less certain then she proclaimed. She attended national security briefings that offered her far more insight than if she just opened a shoebox containing doctored talking-points and knew nothing else. Let her be a punk like Jay Carney, but don’t put her in a position where she needs to be trusted like Secretary of State.
And don’t protect her with the so often used to be worthless defense of racism. It just files up black people and weakens any defense of substance.
Yet the right wing dumbassophere still doesn’t see how this is hurting them. Darrell Issa never cared about the truth with Fast and Furious. Hell, he went on FOX News before the investigation and said it was an attempt by Holder and Obama (what do they have in common?) to take everyones’ guns away. So, of course he was out to get Holder.
Now, they’re after Susan Rice (what does she have in common with Eric Holder and Barack Obama?) over what she said on TV, completely ignoring the questions about security in Benghazi (which is the real issue) and saying that this stuff Rice said is the largest scandal in American history.
Republicans took a very serious issue in regards to Benghazi and turned it in to a partisan whizzing competition, just like they did with Fast and Furious… and then they feel the need to repeatedly say they’re not racists (because they KNOW that all this has the appearance of racism).
“And don’t protect her with the so often used to be worthless defense of racism. It just files up black people and weakens any defense of substance.”
There you go again.
“Rice is basically just a flack who blew her credibility by proclaiming a theory dogmatically on five occasions on the same day that she had every reason to believe was much less certain then she proclaimed. She attended national security briefings that offered her far more insight than if she just opened a shoebox containing doctored talking-points and knew nothing else. Let her be a punk like Jay Carney, but don’t put her in a position where she needs to be trusted like Secretary of State.”
For the 853rd time…..she was told, by the CIA, what to say, for National Security reasons. These are facts. We know this to be fact. Yet, the CIA director, which has had multiple accounts of, well, everything involving the response to Benghazi, he gets a free pass. And the right wing dumbassophere really can’t see why there’s an appearance of race-baiting?
Nope… Rice didn’t lie. She just said a bunch of untruths on television, and attacked people who said otherwise. It’s not her fault. She was just following orders. I have the utmost confidence that if given the job, she’ll start to lead, instead of follow. Yup. She’ll be the exact opposite from everything she’s been this far.
If you think the only person they want to hold responsible is Rice, you’re not paying attention. Rice is one of many high profile people involved, but the ONLY ONE who is currently looking at a PROMOTION for her role in this failure.
Imagine she was a white male CEO. You and Joe, and the other uninformed perpetually-angry Liberals, would be camped out demanding to know why someone involved in this was getting a promotion. But she’s a minority, and a Democrat, so the rules don’t apply. You’ll pander and condescend to her, and pretend it makes things equal… when in truth, it’s just more racism and insult towards the American people.
She gave a misleading spin AT BEQUEST of the WHITE HOUSE that she had every reason to know was BS. She should have kept her mouth shut if she couldn’t tell the truth. The Sunday shows only put her on because the White House offered her up to the shows as the authority on the subject.
WOMAN IS WAS AND WILL LIKELY ALWAS BE A LIAR.
Why is it that you can use sexist terms against Palin, but common terms used towards Rice is unacceptable.
You’ve got your head up you @$$, and are so busy being an angry hypocrite, you haven’t taken the time to look around or listen to yourself. Yeesh. We’ve gotten used to Joe being that angry and stupid (and being mocked for it) I never thought he’d get company.
“Why is it that you can use sexist terms against Palin, but common terms used towards Rice is unacceptable.”
Palin’s proven to be a moron. Every time she opens her mouth, stupid flows out like lava. Sarah Palin is a volcano of stupid.
And I never called McCain sexist, for the 146th time.
FNC now has a weekend version of Hannity.
Jeanine Pirro used to do a show about crime and celeb junk and now it’s a show about politics.
The show tonight is all about bashing Susan Rice and Benghazi.
Yeah, ’cause the Benghazi story is about a former AG questioning Susan Rice’s qualifications as an anbassador. Or something.
Blue, in fairness to Joe, unless he has blown his cork on a particular day, his arguments are often intellectually fascinating and heartfelt. Andy is at best is predictively mundane and low rent.
I’ll put a dollar on that last comment…
and I’ll tithe 10%. Can’t afford 15%. any more.
If that last comment made no sense, It’s because I posted it to the wrong thread.
No, it doesn’t make sense on the other thread, either…
Well then, never mind.
You get the feeling that about half of us are half-crocked half the time? No hints on which half.