Ailes and Patraeus…

I hadn’t thought much about the Roger Ailes/Patraeus Bob Woodward story since I read it last night. I didn’t think it merited much notation. However with this article, Politico’s Dylan Byers has gotten me to rethink that…

Imagine waking up to this breaking news alert: “In spring 2011, Phil Griffin, president of MSNBC, advised Sec. of State Hillary Clinton to abandon her plans for life outside the public sector and run for president against Barack Obama in 2012.”

The next breaking news alert you’d be likely to receive is this one: “Phil Griffin, president of MSNBC, to step down.”

That would likely be true if it were the president of CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, NPR, The New York Times or any other news organization. But Roger Ailes, the president of Fox News, makes his own rules. Last night, The Washington Post’s Bob Woodward reported that in spring 2011, Ailes tried to enlist then-Gen. David Petraeus to run for president. Yet since news broke, Ailes has received no substantial criticism and the reputation of Fox News remains intact.

“If the President of ABC News did this, it would be a scandal, not least for the journalists at ABC News. At Fox it’s just part of the culture,” Jay Rosen, a professor of journalsim at New York University, told POLITICO.

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51 Responses to “Ailes and Patraeus…”

  1. It’s simple: Roger Ailes is a Republican strategist, and FNC is a Republican infomercial. This isn’t news.

  2. You know, for a channel that is supposedly only watched by dying old people, liberals sure do put in a lot of effort losing their pants over FNC. This is Ailes’ shtick, why get upset now?

  3. This is Ailes’ shtick, why get upset now?

    Spud already answered that. If another network head tried to recruit someone to run in the Democratic primaries, the right would have lost their minds. But Ailes does it and nobody bats an eye.

  4. Nobody bats an eye because nobody cares, and if it was the other way around, it would be almost the same thing. We already think the mainstream media is a bunch of liberals shilling for the Democratic Party so it really wouldn’t change anything. If an executive was asked to step down it would be from their boss, not from conservatives (or anybody else for that matter) pressuring the network.

  5. Sure, buddy. If Phil Griffin had that conversation with Hillary Clinton, O’Reilly and Hannity would be banging that drum for months.

  6. You act like they don’t do it already on a daily basis. No. One. Will. Care.

  7. Read Spud’s article. He’s right, you’re wrong

  8. Actually Byers’ article, which Spud agrees with.

  9. Obama has the nighly lineup of MSNBC to the WH today to discuss tax policy. Looks like Spud and his pet Joe are looking at FNC because they think the light there is prettier.

  10. Presidents routinely welcome partisan TV, radio, and newspaper people to the WH. This is not new, and has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

  11. If you want to hear liberals barking like mad dogs, listen to them vent at FNC on this subject. Pretty funny:
    http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2012/12/if-roger-ailes-does-it-it-isnt-a-scandal-151067.html

  12. Everything to do with it. MSNBC is Liberal, Fox conservative, and CNN a fraud. Get over it.

  13. Jacky has O’Reilly and Hannity talking about something that didn’t happen, and you’re talking about something not in the article. This is ridiculous. Talk amongst yourselves.

  14. Jacky, you know that Joe is a moron and and an idiot. And Spud is a bit of a potato.

  15. Btw, you missed a step, which Rachel just pointed out. Only one network is an actual media arm of a political party. MSNBC is liberal, but they don’t do propaganda for the Democratic Party. FNC most certainly does do so for the Republicans, up to and including creating news which they then put on their shows for their hosts and guests to comment on. It’s a very big difference.

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  17. Wall Street Journal..Murdoch-owned. Publishes an editorial by former AG Mukasey lambasting Susan Rice as unqualified to be an ambassador. Gregg Jarrett introduces the “story” as news, then interviews Jeanine Pirro about it. Later that night, Pirro has Mukasey on to continue the attack. Coincidentally, the GOP has been personaly attacking Susan Rice for weeks, trying to forestall POTUS picking her for SoS.

    Created news to fulfill a party agenda. FNC is a media arm of the Republican Party.

  18. Joe morphs into Oliver Stone.

  19. Uh huh. Nobody here will be able to defend that cheesy political act.

  20. Nobody tried as hard to build up the bogus OCCUPY MOVEMENT into the liberal incarnation of the Tea Party. The power of liberal MSNBC propaganda to build a Leftist anti-capitalist movement failed, but not for the lack of trying.

  21. The Occupy movement was not a party construct. MSNBC supports liberal stuff. They do not do propaganda and created news for the Democratic Party.

  22. lonestar77 Says:

    I’ve been putting in some long hours lately…thanks for the laugh, Joe!!!

  23. You guys are blind to the difference. I’m not surprised.

  24. How can you say to your brother, ‘Brother, let me take out the speck that is in your eye,’ when you yourself do not see the log that is in your own eye?

  25. missy5537 Says:

    Look at the free air time 0bama got during this election from his pals in the lapdog media. With the MSM giving us almost 100% favorable coverage for 0bama and about 0% for Romney, who cares if Ailes wanted Petraeus in there? That was just Ailes desires. The MSM actually acted on their feelings by giving such favorable coverage to their messiah.

  26. missy5537 Says:

    “desire” not “desires” . Back to bed for me.

  27. I find this whole subject really very funny. First we have Ailes trying to talk DP into running for POTUS as a Republican. Just suppose he had been successful and Petraeus had won the primary over Romney – not a hard to conceive possibility. His affair with Paula Broadwell would then have come out, during the election campaign, and Obama would have won by a much larger margin than he did over Romney.

    Once Petraeus had his affair his political career ended and he knew that was the case. It’s why he could never have considered running for POTUS; with or without Ailes offering to support his run.

    As for Ailes being the only one who could have made the offer to DP; that’s not news. It’s most likely that Petraeus was only one of a number of candidates Ailes pushed to get into the race.. It’s obvious that Ailes and the Republican Party were pushing to get a legitimate candidate; like Jeb Bush or Chris Christie; to run after seeing the clown show that were the Republican debates. Ailes probably asked/begged a lot of serious Republicans to run and may have even offed FNC support.

    There was no need for Griffin or anyone else to push anyone to run against Obama; he was the POTUS and had no primary challenge.

  28. “No criticism of Obama on MSNBC” is a joke. It’s largely an opinion network, and unless Joe Scarborough, Michael Steele, SE Cupp, and a series of progressives, are a figment of my imagination…there was plenty of criticism to go around. Not to mention the coverage after the first debate.

    What happened with Rove and Morris is a perfect example of something I’ve been saying for years: FNC moves beyond opinion into activism. Way too much of their airtime is spent telling you what they want you to believe, rather than what they may actually believe themselves. They promoted Romney as the eventual victor because they hoped saying so would create momentum for him. That’s the work of a political party.

  29. While Joe and Spud are dancing on he head of a pin, Missy uses a nail gun to drive home her point. Nice kitty. Even Fritz the Cat purs some sense.

  30. Missy “nailed” that she feels lied to by Fox. She doesn’t sound impressed.

  31. Like Sharpton is an opinion guy and not an activist. You’re drinking your own Kool-aid, Sparky. And don’t be putting words in Missy’s mouth.

  32. Sharpton is one dude on the network, and he doesn’t make up stories to promote his agenda. Roger Ailes runs FNC as a political infomercial for the GOP.

  33. “Sharpton is one dude on the network, and he doesn’t make up stories to promote his agenda.”

    Oh, do the name Tawana Brawley strike a familiar note?

    You overdose on stupid this morning, Joe?

  34. Rove and Morris are advocates/activists for a political party and i have no trouble with them being on FNC anymore than I have with Erick Erickson appearing on CNN or Karen Finney being on MSNBC.

    They are paid pundits who just happen to be not very good at their trade. Replacing people who are being laughed at for their opinions with better advocates is the smart thing to do. I expect Sarah Palin, Bernie Goldberg and a few others to follow in their footsteps as 2014 approaches.

  35. Oh for God’s sake. That has nothing to do with MSNBC, and at any rate, it’s a sidestep away from what I’m saying. You’re trying to defend FNC’s propaganda by pretending everybody does it. You’re wrong. Nobody else pulls the crap FNC does.

  36. And to get back to the topic at hand, you can’t have the head of a “news” network trying to arrange who will be in the election they’re covering. It’s unacceptable, and if Phil Griffin tried it, FNC would lose their minds over it for months.

  37. No they wouldn’t. I’d expect nothing else from him. Why pretend otherwise? It’s a free country. I thought refusing to let MSNBC talent to make political contributions was the absolute nonsense. Do they think they are fooling anyone (other than Joe)?

  38. savefarris Says:

    Rove and Morris are advocates/activists for a political party and i have no trouble with them being on FNC

    Nor I Carville / Begala / Brazille / VanJones / Bennett / theentirewesternworld on CNN.

    But if Alex Castellanos or any of the above mentioned becomes the permanent host of The Situation Room, then we’ve got problems.

    No such compunction at MSNBC: “Are you a Political activist? Are you a Liberal and/or Steve Schmidt? Here, have a show!!!”

  39. imnotblue Says:

    I like the assumption that Ailes was actively campaigning to get Patreaus to run.

    You know… despite that not being the truth, or corroborated by any evidence. But hey, if a comment like, “Mr. Ailes thinks you should run,” passed through a commentator, is the same as high-level talks between a network President and potential candidate… then I’m pretty sure this isn’t the first time it’s happen.

    Joe is just trapped in a Liberal parrot exercise. The mantra has been getting louder of the past few months, “FNC is just propaganda” is one of those things that they hope gets said enough, so people start to believe it. Now folks like Joe are simple minded and easy to convince, but the public at large may take more effort. Granted, the left is going to give it all they’ve got… but that’s not a guarantee.

    As for the argument that, “MSNBC isn’t like that,” we can all continue to roll ours eyes at the obvious naivete of such a comment. Joe completely ignored the study that showed how MSNBC produced no negative stories about Obama in the last week-ish of the election. He’ll ignore that they were shown more partisan than any other network. And he’ll do so, out of fear and political ego, because being a hypocrite is a hard thing to admit.

  40. Those studies are stupid. I watch MSNBC every day, and I know for a fact critical statements against the President came from the mouths of conservatives who work there, as well as conservative guests like Alice Walker.

    MSNBC is a liberal-leaning talk show format most of the day. To transpose that into a propaganda arm of the Democratic Party belies the facts. They don’t do the ginned-up party spin that FNC does for the GOP. It’s a different game.

  41. danoregon Says:

    I’m trying to figure out which is worse, that Ailes was promising to use the network as mouthpiece for a Petraeus campaign for ideological reasons or if he did it just to boost FNC’s ratings. I’m surprised (not really) than no actual journalist has quit FNC with this news. They do have some decent ones, but knowing your boss is willing to sell your integrity down the river can’t sit well with those working hard to actually do journalism

  42. Ain’t getting anywhere Joe. Nobody is buying what you have to sell here. You’re just motoring over the same tired road.

  43. Yeah, and Spud called me an idiot for it. Back to Twitter.

  44. No one seems to mention that KT McFarland was directly asking what Petraeus thought about Fox’s coverage, as though it might possibly be modified on his behalf. But, hey, you know AL SHARPTON!
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/transcript-kathleen-t-mcfarland-talks-with-gen-david-h-petraeus/2012/12/03/c0467cd4-3d8b-11e2-a2d9-822f58ac9fd5_singlePage.html?tid=obinsite

  45. What Missy said…

  46. “Nobody tried as hard to build up the bogus OCCUPY MOVEMENT into the liberal incarnation of the Tea Party. The power of liberal MSNBC propaganda to build a Leftist anti-capitalist movement failed, but not for the lack of trying.”

    I see stupid comments.

  47. The Occupy protests went on for almost an entire month before MSNBC even mentioned it. Anyone with a brain in their skull knows that. It’s totally different than the TEA Party movement, which was BORN on Conservative media (Rick Santelli’s psychopathic rant on CNBC), covered extensively by all the media outlets, funded by FOX News hosts and organized and promoted by FOX News, FOX News producers, FOX News anchors and FOX News reporters.

  48. Furthermore, Sarah Palin and Mike Huckabee were being paid by FOX News to go on air and test the waters for a presidential bid. And FOX knew Palin had intentions of running for President. Only reason Huckabee didn’t run was because he knew Obama couldn’t be beaten and said so himself on his show.

    If Rachel Maddow or Alex Wagner were flirting with the possibility of running for elected office, MSNBC would pull them off the air so damn quick it wouldn’t be funny.

  49. bushleaguer Says:

    A moment of irony on that tape was when Petraeus was giving his reasoning for not running for POTUS he mentioned that his wife would divorce him. I wonder if his running would have been worse than the affair.

    As for Roger Ailes and KT McFarland, they are now saying it was just a joke and that to believe otherwise is a “conspiracy theory.”

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