Free for All: 12/26/12

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  1. HOT: David Gregory’s water – http://www.politico.com/story/2012/12/cops-nbc-told-dont-use-gun-clip-85497.html

    You want tougher gun laws, Mr. Gregory? You got em!

  2. I’m more than willing to entertain the idea of more limits on gun ownership. E.g., firing power, magazine capacity, more checks on purchasers, limits on number, et cetera. The First Amendment has limits – as do all of our rights. None are absolute. Why can’t we limit the Second?

    But the media’s open and explicit advocacy of this position is getting to be a bit much. They are pushing a cause, advocating a policy, promoting an agenda They are not neutral observers here in any sense of the word.

    I guess if you agree with that view – and as I said I mostly do – you have no problem with this type of advocacy. But I do. If they can advocate for a view I like today why can’t they push a view that I don’t like tomorrow?

    Folks who complain about Fox New’s ideological agenda seem to have no problem when it’s not Fox News.

    Sorry, both are wrong.

    Re the David Gregory controversy: how silly can you get? Don’t the DC police have more important things go to do? Was Gregory grandstanding? Sure. But to make it a crime is absurd. Let it go.

  3. What “media”? David Gregory did a fair adverserial interview, which is the job of a journalist. The rest of this “media” you refer to as “pushing an agenda” are opinion people like Piers Morgan. They can shout and push all they want. The fact that the majority of the public support the same limits you do is why that shout seems so loud.

  4. Sorry, if you think the news media is covering this issue impartially then we’re not seeing the same thing.

    Look, we had a similar conversation on the same sex marriage question. The news media was all in favor of that change (one that, as I said I do as well).

    Your response was to shrug it off since it was the right view and that future generations would look back upon the issue and not understand why we would oppose it.

    You have the view that if the news media pushes a view that you agree with then it’s fine. Sorry, it’s not.

  5. I believe your representation of that conversation is highly simplified, and at any rate, I have no intention of re-arguing it. I don’t know why people can’t stay with the current topic in a conversation.

    The coverage of the gun control issue has the tone it does at the moment because of Wayne LaPierre’s implosion in two national television appearances. The dude is batshyte crazy, and it’s journalistically unethical to not show it.

  6. – staying with current topic –
    Because previous attitudes play into the subject at hand. The tacit acceptance of certain biases is not unknown.
    Several anchors on CNN are clearly advocating for gun control, not just the commentators. I don’t have that great of a problem with it, but don’t insult me by denying it.

  7. I haven’t seen those “several anchors on CNN” because they’ve been in constant CNN: Heroes rotation for a week. I’ve seen one..Don Lemon. He’s a problem because he’s decided to make Newsroom an advocacy program ever since he came out, and nobody there has announced this change.

    Although I like him personally, I don’t watch very often because the presentation is a little insulting. As a liberal, I’m presumed (by him) to be ok with his approach because I agree with him. He presumes wrong.

    but don’t insult me by denying it

    If we’re going to go back to this kind of language, I shall bid you all adieu for a while. I’m willing to have a decent conversation, but accusations of “insult”, and dips into the Internet Wayback Machine are not happening here today. I’ve done my share of giving and receiving it, and it’s a drag for everyone.

  8. savefarris Says:

    Don’t the DC police have more important things go to do?

    Not really. Everyone who’s anyone has left town and they’ve got nothing to do till Inauguration fever heats up.

    Not to mention, gun safety is on everyone’s mind and here you’ve got a member of the elite openly defying the law for all to see. You make a case and you get to re-enforce that “noone is above the law” while everyone is paying attention. You don’t, and you give any would-be offenders the “it’s okay if …” excuse.

    Hold David Gregory accountable. For the Children!!!

  9. savefarris Says:

    We don’t need more gun control, we need more HTML control

  10. Geez..when Larry Kelly says “I’m done”, he’s not kidding. He dropped off Twitter, too. Weird.

  11. Bill O’Reilly needs to find a better sub then Laura Ingraham.
    All she does is make condescending nasty comments as a response to the liberal guests just as Sean Hannity does.

  12. Apropos of nothing, Diana Macedo did a great job singing “All I want for Christmas is You” on Huckabee Saturday night.

  13. Laura Ingraham’s problem is that by comparison, Ann Coulter is a nice person.

  14. That’s a lazy article. Zurawik lumps together an opinion bleater with a journalist who did something he is not known for – a decent, hard-nosed interview – then veers away from THAT to complain about a prop. And it’s all couched within a vague critique about a vague “media” which he purports to be focusing on Piers Morgan’s critics pushing a petition, and people talking about David Gregory’s props.

    Maybe David Zurawik should just admit he’s a gun fanatic, and has nothing much to say about it except “people I disagree with are stupid”.

  15. ^The very same thing could be said about Gregory and especially Morgan in the reverse, so it makes it ok.

  16. savefarris Says:

    A “decent, hard-nosed interview” doesn’t include “props”.

  17. “Bill O’Reilly needs to find a better sub then Laura Ingraham.
    All she does is make condescending nasty comments as a response to the liberal guests just as Sean Hannity does.”

    ^^I think using Ingraham as a sub is done with a specific purpose in mind; to make Billo look like a kinder gentler host by comparison. A more Greta like sub-host; and I have no idea who that might be; would make O’Reilly look more like the bully he is on air and less like the fair and balanced host he paints himself as being all the time.

  18. It is perfectly reasonable to show the viewers what different-sized clips look like. Especially sitting across the table from a lunatic babbling about “anti-Second Amendment zealots”, and claiming the only answer to mass gun murders is more people with guns.

  19. savefarris Says:

    It is perfectly reasonable to show the viewers what different-sized clips look like.

    But that’s not what Gregory did. He held up a “prop” and said “Shouldn’t this be illegal?” Of course, at the time and place he was holding it up, it was.

    the only answer to mass gun murders is more people with guns.

    Makes way more sense than the Left’s solution, which is to hamstring those that would prevent mass gun murders.

  20. ^ I see stupid arguments from gun fetishists.

  21. Ugh, this topic is nauseating, and I’ve been here way too often for way too long. Time to stop for a while. See yas.

  22. Did CNBC’s seldom used studio in Englewood Cliffs get another set change? I noticed the boys on Fast Money were sitting down in a different location.

    Not that I don’t like the floor of the NYSE, but they are there too many hours during the day.

  23. He’s a problem because he’s decided to make Newsroom an advocacy program ever since he came out, and nobody there has announced this change.

    ? I was in a hellish place that only had CNN for months…no msnbc..no fnc…just cnn and hln. So, I haven’t watched it lately.

  24. Wow. So I just googled “Don Lemon g@y”
    Turns out he came out in 2011. I missed that. I watched CNN and only CNN (sadly) all of 2012 until Oct. and did not know that.

  25. Anyone know why FNC went with a rerun of The Five last night instead of broadcasting Hannity with a guest host?
    CNN had a taped episode of Piers Morgan and MSNBC was live.

  26. savefarris Says:

    2011: Don Lemon
    2012: Anderson Cooper

    Your turn, Candy!!

  27. Let me get this right: conservatives (some of them at least) were all big supporters of the speech rights of the immigrant who made an anti-Muhammad film.

    Right, got it.

    But now conservatives (some of them – and seemingly the same ones as above) want to send Piers Morgan back to England because he thinks we need to change the Second Amendment.

    As Ricky said to Lucy, ‘splain that to me.

  28. That is the comment of the day, Erich.

  29. Liberals and conservatives are wonderful people – truly. But they get caught up in this “My team must win” attitude and they stop thinking.

    Sometimes the team is wrong.

  30. I’d rather watch a rebroadcast of The Five over that shallow commentator if they couldn’t find a fillin.

  31. savefarris Says:

    My favorite part was Joe name-calling those who don’t think we should re-write our gun laws willy nilly without regard for effectiveness. Then, an hour later, complaining about the tenor of the debate.

    erich, I’d argue that one main difference is Immigrant #1 wasn’t calling for wholesale sections of the US Criminal code to be re-written whereas Immigrant #2 was.

  32. Tom Sullivan is subbing for Neil on FBN at 8pm and the show is live.
    Usually they tape the 8pm show after he does his 4pm FNC show.

  33. FNC did a report on a worker shortage in Western Canada and recruiters going to California. I found it quite funny how Anita Vogel said the temperature hovers around freezing. This past week, it’s been -20C and if you add the windchill factor, it feels like -30C outside. It looks like the report was taped a while ago so she’s lucky to have missed the deep freeze.

  34. I didn’t call you stupid, I called your argument stupid. Apparently I give you too much credit.

  35. “I’d argue that one main difference is Immigrant #1 wasn’t calling for wholesale sections of the US Criminal code to be re-written whereas Immigrant #2 was.”

    Not bad but I’m not sold.

    I do think, though, that if you’re a visitor in another country and are vocally advocating for political changes that you should be at least somewhat respectful in that advocacy. Calling people names while you’re “in their home” (so to speak) is rude and boorish.

    Let’s flip this around: an American goes to Great Britain and publicly calls for looser gun laws and, while doing so, calls the other side names. “Ugly American” anyone?

  36. At 9pm CNN is on tape with a boring celebrity interview.
    MSNBC is live with Ezra Klein guest hosting.
    FNC is live with Hannity doing the show from a hotel suite.

  37. USA Today Reminds that One-Size-Fits-All Federal Gun Laws Put Innocent People Behind Bars
    http://reason.com/blog/2012/12/26/usa-today-reminds-that-one-size-fits-all

  38. Greg Gutfeld is subbing for Bill tonight and unlike The Five he’s not telling a joke every other sentence and is doing a good job hosting.
    The liberal guests are not getting nasty condescending comments from the host as when other conservatives guest host.

  39. Bill Cunningham STOP YELLING!!!!!!!!!!
    He’s the worst guest on FNC.

    Two days in a row CNN is on tape with celebrity interviews at 9pm while FNC and MSNBC are live.

  40. In this past week, CNN played entirely too many reruns of Piers Morgan. If you didn’t hate him a week ago, you probably do now.

  41. To all those hosts and guests at FNC who mocked Hillary Clinton’s concussion.
    http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Secretary-of-State-Hillary-Clinton-admitted-to-4155958.php

  42. Jeanine mentioned the clot, ever so briefly, before launching into a screed about the Fiscal Cliff. Perhaps she’s already forgotten her previously-expressed doubt on the issue.

  43. I had doubts about Hillary’s concussion. Mostly kept it to myself (luckily, no one asked). That way, I don’t get to look like an ass when she’s really sick. Easy enough. I wonder if anyone on Fox besides O’Reilly will acknowledge having expressed doubts. He just seems like the one who would.

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