Free for All: 03/20/13

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  1. Would Obama put diesel in an electric car?

  2. Does Joe Biden work in the motor pool?

  3. savefarris Says:

    2 months ago, Piers Morgan thought it was the height of absurdity to think that a government could turn tyranical and usurpatious overnight and that any who believed otherwise were stupid and foolish.

    5 days ago, the government of Cypress (where handguns and rifles are outlawed) decided to help itself to up to 10% of people’s net worth.

    Yes Piers, that’s EXACTLY why we need AR-15s. So the Obama Administration (or anyone else) doesn’t get any ideas.

  4. imnotblue Says:

    Because of the sequester, Obama can only fill his limo halfway with diesel.

  5. Yes Piers, that’s EXACTLY why we need AR-15s. So the Obama Administration (or anyone else) doesn’t get any ideas.

    Told ya.

  6. erich500 Says:

    ^Why is it okay – and it is – for you (and me) to worry about the government using drones to blow Americans up but not (for others) to worry about that same government doing similarly tyrannical things?

    I agree that much of the language from the absolutist Second Amendment types is hysterical and over the top. We’re talking about limits and not banning.

    Much of the language; but not all.

    After all, Isn’t the concern about the use of drones and the power of the president to authorize the killing of Americans here and everywhere that that power may be abused?

    Doesn’t the mere possibility – as unlikely at it is – of Americans taking up arms against the government serve as some sort of check on that same government?

    The “it can’t happen here” response doesn’t work.

  7. Has anyone been watching Around the World and Malveaux’s hour of Newsroom lately? Has she been out a lot lately?

  8. “March 20, 2013 at 8:00 am ”

    ^^ LOL farris that comment is beyond stupid – even for you!

  9. Erich, I might remind all the Declaration of Independence says that is our duty:

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, –That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

  10. imnotblue Says:

    Just say, “President Cheney,” and watch the Liberals re-think their positions and “can’t happen” philosophy.

  11. savefarris Says:

    even better, “President Palin”. The calls for checks on Executive Power will choke the system.

  12. In a salute to Diane Feinstein, I hung out the flag at the cabin today:

  13. I like what Federal Judge Alex Kozinski, in a dissent (before the Heller decision) said:

    “The prospect of tyranny may not grab the headlines
    the way vivid stories of gun crime routinely do. But few saw
    the Third Reich coming until it was too late. The Second
    Amendment is a doomsday provision, one designed for those
    exceptionally rare circumstances where all other rights have
    failed—where the government refuses to stand for reelection
    and silences those who protest; where courts have lost the
    courage to oppose, or can find no one to enforce their decrees.
    However improbable these contingencies may seem today,
    facing them unprepared is a mistake a free people get to make
    only once.”

    We’ve been fortunate that IT hasn’t happened here. But IT hasn’t happened here because, in part, we have a constitution that limits what can be done.

    The countries where IT happened didn’t

  14. What a bunch of crap. There is no version of the US Military that would participate in a wholesale confiscation of Americans’ guns. This is a gun-fetish country, and they would turn on the government themselves first. This tyranny you lunatics fantasize about is ridiculous.

  15. imnotblue Says:

    “… unless it were Republicans in charge,” though Joe under his breath, remembering all the talk of “fascism” and “Republicans are n@zis” that was common place a few years ago.

    “Thankfully, it’s a Democrat in charge now, so I can be hypocritical, and hope nobody notices.”

  16. You don’t know wtf ypu’re talking about, Blue. As usual. I wasn’t around here then, and did not participate in that kind of talk elsewhere.

  17. imnotblue Says:

    That’s right… I forgot.

    Joe can only speak to what HE did himself. And it’s unfair to talk to him about what any other far-left/Liberal/Progressive/Democrat did.

    He can, on the other hand, ascribe all Republicans to one or two people.

    These are the rules.

  18. Nobody said they would confiscate the guns. The question is whether they would try to.

    I’m puzzled as to this “it can’t happen here” view. The “it” being an oppressive government.

    Why not?

    The government will misuse drones but stop there? Why?

    I think you’re confusing the reckless language directed at Obama or “your side” with the overall concern about a future government. You think they’re talking about “your side” (they mostly are) and don’t understand that it can be “anyone’s side.”

    Take it out of the liberal vs. conservative context.

  19. You’re proposing a future in which American civilians need AR15’s to shoot American soldiers. I find this scenario laughable. If a President goes bonkers with a couple drones, the US Military will take him down. We’re never going to have to shoot at our own soldiers to protect ourselves from the US Government. It’s not gonna happen.

  20. And when a coup happens do not imagine the military will act as one. I doubt such a thing would even be possible with the code our soldiers follow. Most at best would stand down, but would not attack civilian government. That’s when a civilian armed militia is key to our freedom and why it’s #2 of the Bill of Rights just after free speech.

  21. Sorry, I’m never going to accept the uncivilized and bizarre concept that the civilian population must have unchecked access to weaponry in preparation for war with their own government. That’s madness.

  22. lonestar77 Says:

    It’s not just for protection against the Government. There are any number of scenarios where civilians would need protection against other civilians. We are a people highly dependent on services outside of our control. What do you think would happen if the electrical grid was compromised. Or, the water supply. Or any number of other supply chains people depend on. Noboody lives solely on their own anymore.

    Look at the chaos that broke out in New Orleans over the flooding of a single city.

    If you think the world will just keep chugging on all awesomely and such, particularly with the increasing rate of advances and dependency on technology, I think you’re living in a state of delusion.

  23. lonestar77 Says:

    We’re the crazy ones. But those who believe cow farts and SUV’s will cause the Earth to flood are right as the rain.

  24. It’s a false argument. No one seriously believes (except crazy paranoids who listen to the NRA) that “all the guns” would be taken. The proposal is limits on firepower and magazine size. Your need for a gun for protection would not be affected.

  25. savefarris Says:

    We’re never going to have to shoot at our own soldiers to protect ourselves from the US Government.

    I hope you’re never sitting in a cafe`.

  26. I hope you never imply a scenario in which you promote the idea of shooting a US soldier again, tough guy. You should watch your mouth.

  27. icemannyr Says:

    As expected, FNC via Cavuto whines that Obama filled out an NCAA bracket while not submitting a budget as a FOX News Alert at the top story at 4pm. :P

    Meanwhile CNN and MSNBC cover real news. Obama’s trip to Israel.

  28. Now if the slacker would just auction off the bracket to pay for little kids to tour their White House then his screwing around would have real merit.

  29. Real tough guys say stuff like “watch your mouth”, pilgrim.

  30. Dude is talking about shooting US soldiers. That is completely out of line. I’m done with this rightwing bullshyte. You loons are gonna trade stories about fighting your government all damn day. It’s madness, and I refuse to participate.

  31. Probable combatants would be from union wing of Homeland Security. Big Sis is buying a billion bullets and agent uniform allowance is higher than a U.S. Marine. These things are always done by forces outside regular military be they Pretorian Guard, Republican Guard, or Brown Shirts. Keep a civilian militia at the ready, and nobody would even think such a thing could remotely succeed. Just follow the Constitution.

  32. Anyone interested in what Dylan Ratigan has been up to since he left MSNBC should check out his website; dylanratigan.com. I’ll guarantee you’ll be surprised.

  33. I have to say I really enjoyed Steve Kornacki’s goodbye from the cycle today. It was one of the funniest and most endearing I’ve seen in the last few years.

  34. imnotblue Says:

    @ ice
    I thought because of the sequester, Obama didn’t have the money to buy markers to fill out his bracket.

    Meh. Priorities.

  35. DirecTV cut off Chris Matthews’ closing segment.

  36. I saw the last few seconds of it. It looks like they lost the feed for a couple minutes.

  37. lonestar77 Says:

    “Big Sis is buying a billion bullets…”
    Has anyone bothered to ask her why?

  38. savefarris Says:

    ““Big Sis is buying a billion bullets…”
    Has anyone bothered to ask her why?”

    How DARE you question a public servant!!! That there’s treason, son.

  39. This is the text of the email I got from DR today. Yeah, his life took quite a different turn than he had planned after leaving television…

    Friends,

    If you are reading this, you likely know I left a highly-successful, self-titled show at MSNBC last June in search of meaning and purpose in my work and life. I had lost both after 18 years in Manhattan and the chaos surrounding the hollow political debates permeating America’s media and politics.

    After 780 hours of political cable news, 6000 hours of live financial television, 45 cities, 2 national jobs tours, 277,963 signatures to amend The Constitution, 245 pages of book and a promotion tour for Greedy Bastards, I was exhausted.

    It was a three-tour Iraq combat Marine and his war-protestor wife who pointed me in a new direction. They were guests on my show last June discussing how they were bootstrapping their way to operate a high-yield hydroponic organic farm that uses 90% less water and produces three times as much food. It was a business that promised to cure food deserts – areas where access to fresh and healthy food is limited – while having the potential to create jobs for thousands of combat veterans, each of whom was the beneficiary of $1 million in military training while on active duty.

    The couple even created a school where they trained other veterans to open their own farms or establish their own organic businesses in pursuit of a dream of creating thousands of American jobs and feeding millions of people.

    They garnered the support of a senior military General and his wife, who were so inspired that they decided to do anything they could to help other veterans find meaningful work healing communities by teaching them how to build and run their own sustainable food-producing systems.

    I returned late last summer to where I grew up in the Adirondack Mountains, I imagined those veterans partnering with industry leaders, scientists, Hollywood producers and Texas oilmen in a project that could create millions of domestic jobs while solving America’s core challenges: sustainable food, health, energy, education and infrastructure. The model had been set by my grandparents’ generation when returning World War II Veterans re-built America into a modern age.

    From Imagination to Reality…

    Since I left MSNBC and dylanratigan.com last June, I first started working with these inspiring visionary veterans on the phone, and then in person to expand their dream and help turn it into a reality. The process alone has restored meaning and purpose in my life, my health and spirit have taken on a renewed vitality and, because of my time with you, I have had the opportunity and privilege to literally put my money where my mouth is.

    Last Fall, I moved from NYC to north San Diego County, just outside of the Camp Pendleton Marine Base, to work full-time with Colin and Karen Archipley at their hydroponic organic farm, “Archi’s Acres.” After realizing how impressive their ideas and effectiveness are, I decided to invest the money that I earned for writing Greedy Bastards (which when combined with a loan from Whole Foods) will build a 30,000 square foot, “farm incubator” that can serve as the prototype for job-creating, water-saving, food-producing, veteran-led hydroponic organic greenhouses nationwide. We’ve even enlisted Major General Melvin Spiese and his wife Filomena to join us in support of our mission to make this program more diverse and robust enough to build it into a nationwide network.

    Our Intention…

    Our intention is to create real value and good jobs in countless American communities, by harnessing the power of the 1% of Americans who served in the past decade of war. These high capacity people have already demonstrated their unique ability to be trained and subsequently serve with distinction under most arduous and demanding of conditions, and we can leverage those qualities and skills against some of our greatest needs. We have begun redeploying returning veterans and unemployed civilians to US cities, while coordinating with city, state and federal governments to create good jobs providing local, fresh food, reduced energy waste and pollution, improved wellness and rebuild infrastructure.

    With more than a decade of war winding down, we have a wealth of returning veterans. This gives us a unique and powerful opportunity to refocus their training on transitioning our nation to sustainable systems, as they transition themselves from military to civilian life.

    While we are just getting started on our national rollout at Archi’s Acres, I believe all of this is possible if we work together with a shared vision. Together, we can join in a mission to learn, model and scale a high-integrity value-based culture. Together, we can heal and evolve America into a sustainable, healthy and prosperous future.

    I encourage you to join us in this journey.

    – Dylan

    PS: You can see us in action tomorrow March 21ST on ABC’s “The Chew.” Tune in at 1PM EST / 12PM PST to see the farm, meet the veterans and get a good kale salad recipe.

    Also, on Friday March 22nd, with Martin Bashir on MSNBC at 4PM EST / 1PM PST and everyday from now on at DYLANRATIGAN.COM and @DYLANRATIGAN on Twitter and Facebook.

    NOTE: This is a special update from our friend Dylan Ratigan. It is not affiliated with United Republic or the Represent.Us campaign.

  40. imnotblue Says:

    Hmm… and all I got was a Staples coupon.

    Hold on, let me go copy/paste it.

  41. icemannyr Says:

    Brianna Keilar is being tried out as co-host with Wolf Blitzer this week. Is Kate Bolduan still in the running?

  42. I enjoyed Steve Karnacki’s goodbye on The Cycle as well. I wish he were staying. He’s the only one on that show I like.

  43. Kornacki’s knowledge of presidential campaigns he was too young to remember (or not born for) is amazing. I’m a campaign junkie, and I look forward to him digging into this stuff on UP.

  44. icemannyr Says:

    Hannity first segment tonight on Obama in Israel is real bad television. Nothing but the same recycled attack lines and silly name calling. I just don’t get how FNC is not tired of his act? Is it simply that it gets ratings so they don’t care?
    It gets to a point where it’s just being nasty for the sake of being nasty and serves no purpose.

    Bill O’Reilly does not like Obama either yet he can make his points without the silly name calling.
    Bill said tonight that people focusing on trivial things like Michele Bachmann rant at CPAC about the spending done for a President was a mistake and they need to focus on important issues.

  45. imnotblue Says:

    …speaking of serving no purpose.

  46. lonestar77 Says:

    I don’t like Haniity’s show either. Haven’t watched much of it since Colmes left. That being said, his show is akin to the majority of what’s presented on MSNBC. I think that’s a big reason why FNC continues to dominate. Despite the ramblings from the left, they don’t just preach to choir all day. There’s actually news and analysis from both sides.

  47. ice: Bolduan is on vacation, but clearly this is something of a tryout for Keilar, as you said. Having caught some of Monday’s and Tuesday’s shows, she has better command and a more natural delivery than Bolduan. But I think execs are still quite high on Kate.

  48. icemannyr Says:

    I get your point about MSNBC, it just seems that the Hannity hate for Obama goes beyond politics.

  49. Well, Bush got a lot of that. .Olbermann’s “special comment” were dripping with hate more so than anything I’ve seen from Hannitty,though I haven’t watched much.

  50. I’m tired of CNN’s “let’s pair up the old white-haired guy with a hot blonde” tryouts. It looks creepy.

  51. icemannyr Says:

    Thanks to the CNN photo editors,
    Wolf made an appearance on AC360 tonight during the RidicuList: Splash skeptics segment,
    http://i.imgbox.com/abwuuSQN.jpg :P

  52. lonestar77 Says:

    Well, like I said, I don’t watch much Hannity so I’m really not informed enough to respond. I will say that I’d be surprised if he has used the same vitriol directed towards Bush by lefty talking heads. Fascist, War Criminal & Racist come to mind.

    Also, I’ll say that I think a lot of the “hate” you see directed at Obama is driven by the free passes he receives from the media. Conservatives were constantly defending Bush from an onslaught of daily attacks. The double standard from the MSM is beyond irritating.

    And, the rhetoric used towards those of us who disagree with Obama wears thin as well. Every argument is met by cries of “Racist!” from the left. And, Obama doesn’t seem to care that his supporters freely attack everyone on the right with such a despicable slur.

  53. Every argument is met by cries of “Racist!” from the left. And, Obama doesn’t seem to care that his supporters freely attack everyone on the right with such a despicable slur.

    You’re still using that lazy, “they all do it” comment after all these years? You’re as bad as Hannity.

  54. lonestar77 Says:

    I bet Denial is your favorite river.

  55. imnotblue Says:

    Lone, how dare you accurately say the left has used “racism” as a tactic for defending Obama.

    You’re not supposed to remember folks have already admitted that’s a strategy.

    And the fact you even mentioned it, means you’re probably a racist.

  56. You’re the biggest racist for being a serious poopyhead all the time. RACISM!!

  57. LS: “I don’t like Haniity’s show either. Haven’t watched much of it since Colmes ”
    LK: ” more so than anything I’ve seen from Hannitty,though I haven’t watched much.”

    ^^ Well that may explain why his ratings aren’t what they used to be.

  58. I never watched Hannitty more than couple times a year so don’t figure me in that equation.

    Joe might need to borrow some of my meds.

  59. lonestar77 Says:

    @fritz:
    I used to watch it every night back in the day when Colmes was still around.

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