Free for All: 08/24/10

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  1. Media Matters approached Fox News about buying ad time on the O’Reilly Factor to run an ad criticizing Fox News’ parent company for big donation to Republican Governors Association.

    I think Fox should take advantage of this opportunity. Charge Media Matters their highest rate, and demand they buy 10 prime time spots instead of just one (which is standard practice). This ad is so amateurish, it will have no effect other than to make Fox seem like it has nothing to worry about or apologize for.

    http://tinyurl.com/2f52v87

  2. I doubt Fox has any interest in carrying this story further as there is no upside for them in doing so.
    Media Matters has already gotten what they wanted from the ad; to have it played & discussed on other networks and media & news blogs.
    The question is will they offer it to CNN & MSNBC and if so will those networks play it? I doubt they will.

  3. CNN and MSNBC won’t play it because they have their own problems with political donations. I don’t remember Media Matters complaining when Murdoch gave a boatload of money to Hillary Clinton’ campaign.

  4. A quote from the TVNewser article, which I also saw on Mediaite. It is what some might refer to as a made-up story.

    ” That line of reasoning falls apart at closer inspection however, because as we reported last week, nearly every media company gives thousands, if not millions, of dollars to politicians and political organizations. ”

    http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/generalities/where_do_media_companies_give_their_pac_money_170967.asp

  5. mlong5000 Says:

    Media Matters which is controlled by big Dem donator George Soros also isn’t upset that most of the “news”personalities of CNN,NBC,CBS,ABC,PBS,MSNBC and CNBC vote Democratic so clearly no conflict of interest there..RIGHTTTTTT.

  6. tooncigars Says:

    “We have been lectured that we should not feel anger, that we should be nicer to Muslims, that we should not profile possible terrorists at airports and instead harass everyone, that journalists should not wear lapel pins, that we should not be too harsh on the cutthroats at Gitmo, that we must try our soldiers in military court and their soldiers in civilian courts, that we must Mirandize terrorists, that we must honor Muslim holidays in school but we must take Christ out of Christmas, and now that we must allow the city of New York’s government to waive zoning law in order to speed up construction of a mosque funded by the homeland of Osama bin Laden and 15 of the 19 9/11 hijackers.

    At some point, the American people reach a breaking point.

    We may reach that on the 10th anniversary of 9/11 when there still is no one-foot–taller trade center but there is a mosque.”– via Don Surber Dailymail blog

  7. “CNN and MSNBC won’t play it because they have their own problems with political donations.”
    What problems?

  8. From the Business and Media Institute:

    Time Warner gave $2.3 million to Democrats during the 2008 election cycle, and since 1990, 72 percent of Time Warner’s political donations went to Democrats. Essentially, in 2008, a year Yellin conveniently left out, Time Warner doubled News Corp.’s much maligned donation.

  9. “Time Warner gave $2.3 million to Democrats during the 2008 election cycle, and since 1990, 72 percent of Time Warner’s political donations went to Democrats.”
    This is a misleading number because it includes individual donations which makes up about three fourths of the total $2.3 million.
    Here are the PAC numbers for 2008:
    Time Warner (CNN): $497,750.00 – Dem.
    $356,300.00 – Rep.
    GE (MSNBC) $1,049,850.00 – Dem.
    $ 992,450.00 – Rep.
    News Corp (FNC) $186,000.00 – Dem.
    $188,000.00 – Rep.

    Here’s the PAC numbers for 2010:
    Time Warner (CNN) $129,500.00 – Dem.
    $134,000.00 – Rep.
    GE (MSNBC) $955,400.00 – Dem.
    $656,100.00 – Rep.
    News Corp (FNC) $128,000.00 – Dem.
    $124,000.00 – Rep.

    Lastly here’s the 527 numbers for 2010:*
    Time Warner (CNN) $16,666.00 – Dem.
    $5,000.00 – Rep.
    GE (MSNBC) $352,600.00 – Dem.
    $341,948.00 – Rep.
    News Corp (FNC) $25,000.00 – Dem.
    $1,041,262.00 – Rep.**
    * No 527 numbers for 2008
    ** Includes $1,000,000.00 donation.
    Source – Open Secrets. org
    There is no CNN problem in 2008.

  10. Fritz, thanks for the detail but this just proves the people who are the heart and soul of the on air face of the company give to democrats. The people on the air are the ones that give the bent to the news that so many people hear. Once it is out there on the air, even if some higher up says a story was not presented fairly (which I highly doubt happens all that often) it is in the mind of some poor sucker who has no idea there may be more to the story. All of us here who pay attention understand where the bias lies but for those who only watch minimal news it may not be so obvious. That’s why it is so important to know what the employees give in addition to the corp.

  11. So the Daily Show frequently takes FoxNews to task, but last night they absolutely destroyed them. Link.

    The entire first ripped apart Fox and Friends, Dan Senor, Bolling, and Fox’s coverage of the Park51 islamic center. It would be nice if someone at Fox would address the hypocrisy.

  12. ^Paminwi: On air personalities; except those with a well know liberal/ conservative views; rarely give to political parties as to not show bias. The individuals that I refer too that give the most are corporate executives of the parent company. They tend to give to parties they agree with so in the case of Time Warner with a few notable exceptions they are Democratic supporters. You can’t extrapolate that CNN employees are all Democratic supporters from this information only that most Time Warner brass are.

  13. Ifuriatingly hilarious? Hilariously infuriating? You decide..

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/23/glenn-beck-rally-attendee_n_691578.html

  14. I’m not-entirely certain what the point is, since I know less-than-nothing about the D.C-area. I guess if you’re organizing an event like this, you should find someone who does. I know that if you’re visiting Atlanta, it would be good to know which areas to avoid, lest you return home in a bag. I’ve only made that mistake in daylight, and thank God for dashboard compasses..

  15. Actually this book and map is a pretty good idea. If I lived in Washington I sure as hell would want to keep all these crazies confined to a limited area where the police could keep a close eye on them. I seen pictures of these hate rallies before and it’s much better to keep them contained and controlled in a small area. 🙂

  16. The advice about how to deal with non-whites on your trip to a rally on the anniversary – on the spot the speech was given – of the “I Have A Dream” speech, is the point.

  17. Be afraid, fritz. Be very afraid.

  18. ^I seen > I’ve seen. Sorry.

  19. “Be afraid, fritz. Be very afraid.”
    I am.

  20. I tool around all over the DC metro area and have never noticed anywhere I wouldn’t go at night. It’s a city, of course, so normal precautions… for all we know this blogger was punking Beck. Either way he’s a butt.

  21. mlong5000 Says:

    “So the Daily Show frequently takes FoxNews to task, but last night they absolutely destroyed them”

    Jon Stewart is the hypocrite he attacks FOX for being anti-Muslim yet he works on network that attacks Christians,Catholics,Jews and Muslims..Muslims? YOU ASK HOW?..by their ban on the image and even the mention of the name Muhammad because their afraid some crazy Arab will run in and blow them up….now that’s anti-Muslim.

  22. Bless you, Al. I especially liked the “neighboring countries to Africa” reference.

  23. “African immigrants do not like for you to assume they are African Americans and especially do not like for you to guess they are from a neighboring country (e.g. Eritrea, Ethiopia, Somalia) with whom they may have political or military tensions. It’s rare to meet anyone who gets really offended, but you can still be aware of the issue.”

    Entirely speculation… I think a few waiters or waitresses were rude to this guy and he thought it was because he picked the wrong country to ask about when, really, it was because he came across as a know-it-all jerk.

  24. …because he came across as a know-it-all jerk.

    …with no sense of irony around the already bizarre Glenn Beck rally. If I hear that idiot (Beck) tease one more “revealing the secret history of the civil rights movement” segment.. Shut up already! Preach your pet Constitution and “vermin” screeds all you want, but stop screwing around with the “hey, I’m not a racist, see..I talk about civil rights while accusing our black president of being racist” crap. It’s “whitey making whitey feel good” horseshyte.

  25. -history of the civil rights movement-

    Actually, I’ve found his historical perspectives to be quite accurate with guests offering interesting detailed insights. I didn’t know, for example, that women were once voters in this country long before the 19th Amendment, or that there were integrated fighting units during the 18th & 19th centuries.

  26. His historical perspectives would be more illuminating if he hadn’t tagged a half-black man brought up by whites as “racist” and “having a problem with white people”. That stunt disqualifies him from being taken seriously on civil rights issues, as does his stupid MLK rally.

  27. Beck was named one of the “33 Blackest White Folks We Know” by The Root, an African-American site. The reason:

    “Glenn Beck: Perhaps he’s the person you’d least expect to see on this list, but he did give a black history lesson on his show. ”

    Actually, he has devoted four shows on blacks and their contributions in the American Revolution and the making of this country.

  28. I guess that The Root (whatever that is) doesn’t understand that you shouldn’t listen to something that’s otherwise valid, if it comes from someone whose other opinions you disagree with.

  29. …if it comes from someone whose other opinions you disagree with.

    Making a mockery of race relations in this country by accusing the first black president of being racist towards whites is more than just an “opinion I disagree with”.

  30. It was a dumb thing for Beck to say – almost as dumb as what President Obama said about the Cambridge Police Department. And since the statements of both men were based upon the topic of race pertaining to that same incident, there is a moral equivalence. Still Beck’s conclusion was wrong. President Obama is not a “racists”; He is an “elitist”. I believe we had this same or similar discussion here on ICN at the time.

    Personally, I detest most all “ists” almost as much as I do “isms”.

  31. I think we have a quorum on it being dumb. I believe I’ve expressed an opinion-or-two on the casual tossing of the word ‘racist’. But he’s certainly not the worst offender on that count, and I don’t think that it discounts anything else that he has to say on the subject.

  32. I think…I’m tired.

  33. “Jon Stewart is the hypocrite he attacks FOX for being anti-Muslim yet he works on network that attacks Christians,Catholics,Jews and Muslims..Muslims? YOU ASK HOW?..by their ban on the image and even the mention of the name Muhammad because their afraid some crazy Arab will run in and blow them up….now that’s anti-Muslim.”

    Haha, so since you can’t even remotely defend the hypocrisy coming from Fox News and it’s personalities on the Park 51 center, you have to go after Jon Stewart?

    Besides what you describing isn’t even remotely hypocritical. Now if Stewart was attacking people who refused to show Mohammad’s likeness, then that would be the equivalent of Fox attacking people who take money from Al-Waleed bin Talal as terrorists. But what you’re describing is nothing more than a pathetic diversion because you know damn well no one on the planet can come up with an ethical defense for Fox’s ridiculous claims.

  34. tooncigars Says:

    ^”I tool around all over the DC metro area and have never noticed anywhere I wouldn’t go at night.”– heh,heh– might i suggest “tooling” around DC at night doc?– lemme know if u come home in one piece with none of ur windows broken and all four of ur hubcaps–

    “…Actually, he has devoted four shows on blacks and their contributions in the American Revolution and the making of this country.”– nice touch carol, but joseph doesn’t let mere facts stand in the way of his hatred of most things conservative– what he does is: “get tired”–

  35. “He” had just gotten back from an MRI, and was tired, dipsh!t. Obama calling the Cambridge police stupid, and Beck calling Obama a racist, are not equivalent. And holding a stupid Tea Party rally on that spot on that day is disrespectful.

    I understand that Glenn occasionally has something worthwhile to add to the conversation, but his other words and actions cancel them out. Until he apologizes to the President and moves that rally, he is not worthy to discuss race in this country.

  36. tooncigars Says:

    ^joe, i’d sure appreciate it if u’d tone down the “rough” talk– it’s pretty offensive– kinda like the president saying his grandmother who raised him was a “typical white person”– not the least bit rascist, doncha know?–

  37. Oh please, you accuse me of ignoring facts out of hate, and I’m supposed to care how you feel about “rough talk”? Not gonna happen.

  38. Doesn’t Beck have a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT to have his rally any day he wants?

  39. Doesn’t Beck have a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT…

    Yes, and I have a constitutional right to disagree with him. Is it really that hard to understand the difference between free speech being trampled, and two people exercizing opposing free speeches? The Mosque people have the right,;I’m not thrilled with them going through with it. Glenn Beck has the right; I’m not thrilled with that, either. Ok?

  40. joeremi – OK!

  41. Obama calling the Cambridge police stupid, and Beck calling Obama a racist, are not equivalent.

    Yes they are, at least for purposes of debating Beck’s comment. President Obama made an uninformed comment that led many people, including more than a few on cable news, to conclude that his was a knee-jerk defence of a black man claiming to have been singled-out because of his race. It was in this context that Mr. Beck made his comment. As already said, he along with many others were wrong; President Obama made an uninformed, knee-jerk defence of a fellow elitist.

  42. No, they aren’t. Stating that police “acted stupidly” in a potentially racially charged situation is not the same as blatantly calling a person racist. You..are wrong.

  43. Beck’s entire dumb statement also included the “or something”, which means he called Obama “potentially a racist.” By definition, that is not “blatent”. The situation became “potentially racially charged” only because of the president’s statement. Within less than a day enough facts came out to render the claim made by the professor false. Instead of simply acknowledging (and apologising) that he made a premature charge once it became clear that the professor was the one causing a stink, President Obama used a beer meeting to keep a “racial” aspect to the incident in the news.

    Note that I agree with you about all willy-nilly “racist” accusations. But the president came very close to doing the same thing you accuse Mr. Beck of. Shall we ignore whatever he now has to say on race relations in America? I think not. And because there’s a moral equivalence to their respective dumb statements, I give Mr. Beck the same “pass” on that one.

  44. The situation became “potentially racially charged” only because of the president’s statement.

    That is incorrect. It was “racially charged” as soon as the professor claimed he was profiled by white cops. All Obama did was comment on it (stupidly) from the professor’s perspective. I don’t think that qualifies as the President of the United States calling someone racist. Beck absolutely did use the word. Obama went to great pains to rectify the situation; Beck never apologized for anything.

    So – in my opinion – the guy who cried “racism” against our first black president – and never rectified his mistake – has no business babbling about civil rights and preaching from the Lincoln Memorial.

  45. If it matters to anyone, I said at the time that the cops probably did the best they could do in a tense situation, and that the professor had a fit. For the record..

  46. ^ I remembered you said that at the time, not that it matters to anyone. And I’m only saying that now because you’re sick.. otherwise I’d call you a name or something.

  47. …otherwise I’d call you a name or something.

    Yes, yes you would..

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