Free for All: 08/30/10

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  1. tooncigars Says:

    i know this isn’t cable news but if anyone is interested, here is (supposedly) the inside story of Mossad’s bombing of Syria’s nuclear reactor and a follow-up assasination of a Syrian big-wig– kinda timely what with Iran and all doncha’ know– fascinating–
    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3944303,00.html

  2. Wow! Thanks for the information – it’s always important to the story behind the story.

  3. tooncigars Says:

    whoa… “…they like us, they really like us!”–
    http://www.gallup.com/poll/142718/GOP-Unprecedented-Lead-Generic-Ballot.aspx

  4. tinafromtampa Says:

    Bowing Brian asked this of Obama last night:

    “What does it say to you that Glenn Beck was able to draw a crowd of perhaps north of 300,000 people on the anniversary of Dr. King’s speech, on the site of Dr. King’s speech? Message appeared to be, at times, anti-government, anti-spread of government. Anti-Obama administration. And in favor of – I guess – re-injecting God into both politics and the American discourse. ”

    Bowing Brian caught in a lie….why does NBC constantly flat out lie about Beck? Bowing Brian owes Beck and apology, the attendees an apology, and his viewers an apology.

    NBC – the network where propaganda rules.

    Folks should tune out Brian and the rest of the media should take him to task for his flat out false statements about the rally.

  5. Food for thought: Ed beat Olbermann in the demo on Friday night. What would Keith’s reaction be if this was the beginning of a trend?

  6. tinafromtampa, you should have heard what Richard Wolffe said about Beck’s rally. He told Matthews that Beck was basically saying that we have to take back government and our country from these black people. Beck never said anything of the kind. It’s amazing what MSNBC can get away with.

  7. lonestar77 Says:

    ” It’s amazing what MSNBC can get away with.”

    Yeah, who’s gonna call them on it? FNC & newsbusters? That’s it. The rest of the media protect them.

  8. I noticed that no one on MJ this morning or on Hardball tonight mentioned that Alveda King, Dr. King’s niece, spoke at the Beck rally.

  9. I just started watching Beck’s show (I recorded it) and he said that O’Reilly is devoting his entire show this evening to the Beck rally.

  10. Now all guests represent the network they’re on? That’s crazy.

    I’m not sure why you guys think the niece of someone whose been dead for 42 years is significant. Alveda King is a person who agrees with Glenn Beck. Who cares?

    The more I hear of Beck’s “apology” for “racist”, the less impressed I am. He didn’t apologize, he “amended” – whatever that means – and he qualified his “amendment” with “he’s not a racist, he’s a believer in liberation theology” – whatever that means. Apparently a simple “I was wrong, I’m sorry” was too much for him, and a Mormon has no place criticizing others’ theologies.

  11. “I noticed that no one on MJ this morning or on Hardball tonight mentioned that Alveda King, Dr. King’s niece, spoke at the Beck rally.”
    I’ll make the same point as on the charity. Did anyone on F&F or when the rally was discussed during the day mention that Ms. King spoke at the rally? I don’t think they did and if Fox didn’t why would you expect MJ or Hardball to mention it?
    Again, I may be totally wrong here as I don’t watch a lot of F&F or FNC dayside and if so I stand corrected.
    Most discussion I’ve seen today on FNC & other networks concerned the crowd size and what Beck was trying to accomplish with the rally. Most clips shown were of him or Palin.

  12. “I just started watching Beck’s show (I recorded it) and he said that O’Reilly is devoting his entire show this evening to the Beck rally.”
    Wow an hour of Billo on Beck. That should be something to watch. I wonder if he’ll announce he’s giving Beck his time-slot?
    And on MSNBC KO will be ranting on the same subject I’m sure. Think they’ll have the same POV of the big rally? 🙂

  13. KO won’t be ranting for the whole hour. O’Donnell is hosting. But Larry will run a special video segment about the rally w/Olby.

  14. mlong5000 Says:

    “I noticed that no one on MJ this morning or on Hardball tonight mentioned that Alveda King, Dr. King’s niece, spoke”

    The reason no one mention it is because she’s black and the MSM party line is no black people attend Tea party rallies because their all racist.

  15. My point about MJ and Hardball not mentioning Alveda King was that their guests seemed to imply that this was some kind of divisive rally. On Chris Matthews’ Sunday show Joe Klein said that Beck was a paranoid lunatic. In fact, Beck just showed a live clip from Saturday’s MSNBC coverage of one of their reporters saying that Michelle Bachmann and Dick Armey were two of the scheduled speakers. They were not.

  16. Joe Klein said that Beck was a paranoid lunatic.

    What’s your point?

  17. Josh Kaib Says:

    I was at the rally. Anyone who calls the event racist must be blind. Dr. Alveda King, Reverend C.L. Jackson, and so many other African Americans spoke or sang on stage. If Richard Wolffe said anything remotely about racism, he should be reprimanded.

  18. Who’s Joe Klein?

  19. Richard Wolffe is a guest who thinks there are people in the crowd who are afraid of “white peoples’ money being redirected to repatriate black people”. It’s his opinion, and he has just as much right to say it as the many guests on FNC do to call the president socialist and Marxist and, in the case of Pamela Geller – who went unchallenged – anti-Semitic.

  20. Who’s Joe Klein?

    He’s Anonymous.

  21. ^ And for good reason.

  22. “from Saturday’s MSNBC coverage of one of their reporters saying that Michelle Bachmann and Dick Armey were two of the scheduled speakers.”
    I’m not sure where this report came from. There was no published complete speakers list that I could find so rumors of who was going to speak were rampant. It was wrong to report the rumor that Bachmann & Armey suggesting they would be there.
    KO just did a satirical bit where he played ‘God’ talking in Becks ear.
    Very very dumb. No need to make fun of the event. Let Beck and the rally stand on its own.

  23. And Richard Wolffe went un-challenged by Matthews because Matthews probably agrees with him. And is Mr. Wolffe a mind-reader? How does he know why so many people attended Beck’s rally? Did he interview any of them?

  24. Matthews probably agrees with him.

    Everybody agrees with him. Opposition to redistribution of income is a basic tenent of conservative philosophy that doesn’t even qualify as racist or controversial. What Wolffe said was so statistically likely in a conservative crowd that size, as to be laughable he even mentioned it.

  25. I’ve never been a Glenn Beck fan and I’m still not, but the man puts on a non-political “peace”, “love”, and “patriotism” rally and it seems most of the libs have redoubled their efforts to call him names and find ways to make him appear mean and nasty. Whoever coined the “politics of destruction” should use this as its definition. And amid some criticisms that his rally took place on the anniversary of MLK’s “I Have A Dream” speech, it’s brushed-off as “irrelevant” that Dr. King’s niece, an accomplished person in her own right, participated. Because Alveda King is a conservative she’s not a legitimate representative to show that Beck’s rally is not disrespectful?

    Fortunately most of the commenters on ICN aren’t so low.

    Totally unrelated (except as evidenced though my apparent anger), there’s a feeble-minded physician who is going to lose a testicle if he misdiagnoses so much as one more… ne’rmind.

  26. Coretta Scott King, if she were alive today, would have qualified as relevant. A niece who was 17 at the time of Dr. King’s death has no bearing on the appropriateness of Beck’s rally. She is notable as a black conservative, which carries it’s own relevancy, but the connection to King himself is in name only.

  27. I hear third-hand that HuffPo has put–out a reward for a Glenn Beck sex-tape. Does that count as raising the level of discourse?

  28. I’ve got an uncle that’s a millionaire. Don’t mean squat to me.

  29. -would have qualified as relevant-

    What’s relevant is that the question of appropriateness shouldn’t be raised in the first place.

  30. -17-

    At 17 I was a dad… twice!

  31. Laura I, I read that the person who offered the reward for the Beck tape has withdrawn his offer and apologized.

  32. Al Sharpton would be out of a job if he couldn’t keep americans ,angry and divided by race and religion. thank about that.

  33. What’s relevant is that the question of appropriateness shouldn’t be raised in the first place.

    I disagree. A man who opposes the economic justice the Civil Rights Act personifies deserves to be questioned about marking Dr. King’s spot on the anniversary of a speech that was about that topic.

  34. It’s not Dr. King’s spot; It’s our spot, and both men used it well.

  35. That’s a lovely sentiment, Al, but neither one of us is thrilled with the idea of the Islamic center being located two blocks from Ground Zero, so clearly some spots are open to debate about the propriety of some people occupying them.

  36. Fair point.

  37. — Fair point. —

    Except for the part where we implicitly compare Glenn Back with a representative of a religion that kills thousands of people around the world.

  38. That’s not my intention, Laura. It’s a ‘current events’ analogy to express my disagreement with Al’s point. His implication was that I shouldn’t have questioned the appropriateness of Beck grabbing that spot on that day, which I thought was unfair.

  39. And the part where it’s assumed Dr. King might object to Beck’s message. I kinda doubt it.

  40. I don’t know what Dr. King would have thought about the religious message, but he definitely would have disagreed with Beck’s thoughts on economic justice, which is what the I Have A Dream speech focuses on.

  41. Or that, among Americans, any spot or any date belongs to a certain group, or line-of-thought.

  42. Getting a permit to use the Washington Mall is about the same as getting one at your local park for a covered picnic spot. Look for a day that’s open and take what’s available. There’s a limited number of Summer Saturdays to choose from.

  43. I find it a challenge to believe that he didn’t know what the date was, however. Not that it should matter, it just seems like an amazing coincidence.

  44. Laura, I believe the Civil Rights movement deserves to not have someone opposed to basic tenents of it standing on that spot on that day. Period. Freedom of speech, do what you want, but I think it’s cheesy.

  45. If the basic tenet of Civil Rights is Socialism, then I suppose you’re right.

  46. I find it a challenge to believe that he didn’t know what the date was…

    Eh, I didn’t know it. I believe him, I just would have preferred that he at least get away from the steps and not babble about “reclaiming civil rights” if he couldn’t move the date.

  47. If “economic justice for African-Americans” is Socialism to you, then we do agree. Which gets to the heart of statements like “reclaiming the Civil Rights movement” coming from conservatives. That movement was liberal in nature and in policy, and conservatives shouldn’t be pretending it’s a universal creed. There are major aspects of it that fall nowhere near the conservative/libertarian concept of what government should be doing.

  48. ‘Reclaiming’ it for something that works, perhaps. Liberals have been selling ‘economic justice’ for 40 years. What do the inner-cities have to show for the trillions of dollars that we’ve spent?

  49. Changing the subject. Oops.

  50. “Equal rights” we can all get behind and giving everyone an equal opportunity we can all get behind. Beck’s rally did that.

    -economic justice, which is what the I Have A Dream speech focuses on.-

    I’ve heard that stated many times, yet I don’t hear it in his words. I’ve read the transcript many times, and again just now. I agree economic equality is inferred, but nothing about Glenn Beck’s message runs counter to that.

  51. Hey! You have to agree or disagree about my subject before you launch a tangential one. It’s the law.

    Did O’Reilly owe Beck a favor? Payback for their summer tour being named after Bill’s book maybe? That was a lonnnng hour tonight.

  52. I assume Beck and O’Reilly are co-owners of some gold outfit.

  53. Ok Al, I’ll simplify it then. White guy calls black man racist, then claims he’s going to “reclaim the Civil Rights movement” on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial on the anniversary of the I Have A Dream speech. You don’t find anything distasteful in that?

  54. No. I heard and accepted Mr. Beck’s explanation and apology for what he said about the president. I also understand how he reached that wrong conclusion. And, as someone else pointed out Glenn Beck has had more programmes on the history of African Americans and their contributions to America than all of the other networks combined, possibly even including BET.

  55. Well, regardless of the “racist” comment, I think any white person presuming to “reclaim the Civil Rights movement”, especially on that spot on that day, is out of line.

  56. Civil Rights: whites need not apply. So much for not judging by the colour of their skin.

    I believe the rest of the “reclaim the civil rights movement” sentence is, “from politics.” Goes to the point the chickie made earlier about the total failure after spending trillions to actually free those stuck in poverty.

  57. — That movement was liberal in nature and in policy, and conservatives shouldn’t be pretending it’s a universal creed —

    That’s sad. It’s that kind of thinking (from others) that judges Robert Byrd more highly than Strom Thurmond based upon his voting record, rather than the details of their background. A liberal vote can hide a multitude of sins.

  58. So much for not judging by the colour of their skin.

    That’s disengenuous. You’re using an admonition against racism in reverse to pretend blacks shouldn’t be able to keep what’s there’s. I don’t care what he said he was rescuing it from, it’s not right for a white man to make an obscene proclamation about “reclaiming Civil Rights”, knowing full well how offensive that will sound to a black man. Maybe Keith Olberemann should go to the Brandenburg Gate to “reclaim” the end of the Cold War from Ronald Reagan while we’re at it.

  59. I think it’s wrong for anyone to speak for “blacks”. Many spoke for themselves at the Beck rally and many more were there to listen.

    -Brandenburg-

    Your analogy is faulty. Mr. Beck did not attempt to “reclaim from” Dr. King. If the Cold War has rekindled, the reclaiming of that should rightfully be done by President Obama. He, unfortunately, is incapable.

  60. Mr. Beck did not attempt to “reclaim from” Dr. King.

    Maybe not, but Mr. Beck should have known better than to use such an inflammatory phrase to presage such an inflammatory usage of space. He’s either incredibly naive, or incredibly uncaring of how he came across to millions of people. I think he knows liberals of all colors were offended by his actions, and just doesn’t give a damn.

  61. You guys get the last word until Toon gets off work. Goodnight.

  62. Perhaps it’s my upbringing and having spent much of my formative years living across The Pond, but it astounds me that forty-some years later there are people in America who still think in terms of “ours” and “theirs”. WTF? A scab won’t heal if you keep picking at it! And there’s no way Dr King’s momentous speech can be construed to mean that his Dream only pertained to blacks. Time to dream about it was then, now’s time to live it.

    -liberals were offended-

    I don’t give a damn about that, either.

  63. -last word-

    Thank you for the thoughtful debate. Sleep happy.

  64. You’re welcome, sir. Jerk.

  65. missy5537 Says:

    “liberals of all colors were offended by his actions…”

    When are liberals NOT offended? It’s who they are – victims.

  66. ^ I’m a sorta-liberal, and that’s rude. I obviously should have said “people”. I said “liberal” because I can’t find a single rightie who will give me the time of day on this issue. You guys aren’t blind to the possible offensiveness of Beck’s little stunt, you just don’t care. The steadfastness with which conservatives will “stand by their man” is both admirable and disturbing.

  67. tooncigars Says:

    excellent debate kids, i have nothing to add for a change which should make joe happy– al and laura said it all–

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