Free for All: 08/11/11

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106 Responses to “Free for All: 08/11/11”

  1. Picking-up on the Iowa-theme, I wonder how much the candidates spend on that whole thing. I saw a clip of Bachmann talking about all the stuff that they had for potential voters who attended. There was food, entertainment (Randy Travis?), and just a list of stuff that sounded like attending a County Fair for free. Love to know what all that bounty costs, especially compared to other venues.

  2. Does that constitute the “race-baiting” that I hear so much about? I like Mediaite and find them to be quite fair, but there you go,

  3. Does that constitute the “race-baiting” that I hear so much about?

    Yes, it does. The “always proud of America” line is obviously a jab at the First Lady, but to conclude it’s a racial attack, as opposed to a simple “attack the liberal” move, is a bit of a stretch. Mediaite shouldn’t have printed this, but Palin + “controversy” = huge numbers of hits, which is why she is their favorite topic.

    But far be it from me to agree with you guys..we all know how that ends..

  4. lonestar77 Says:

    The POTUS is going to speak about “jobs” in about half an hour. He’s been criticized for being aloof so is he going to suddenly show how outraged he is? Is he going to stick to the “millionaires & billionaires” are evil poopy heads, line? Is he going to blame Bush for the economy, his grey hair and his tummy ache? Is anyone going to really care what he has to say?

  5. imnotblue Says:

    Mediaite is a lot of things, but “fair” is not one of them.

    Their staff is virtually 100% left-of-center. They have no consistent right-of-center opinion writers… and have the very left Tommy Christopher as their main opinion guy. Writers are allowed to write opinion pieces AND straight news, but almost all their opinions are from the left. Their articles often contain negative snark and opinion when the subject is FNC, Republicans, or non-left groups… while they’re neutral or positive on Democrats or Liberal causes. They’re more likely to ban or attack posters on the right, than on the left.

    This is not to say they’re advocates like MediaMatters… just not “fair” or even handed.

    Spud, for example, is much more fair in his posts and opinions, than anyone at Mediaite.eft-of-center. They have no consistent right-of-center opinion writers… and have the very left Tommy Christopher as their main opinion guy. Writers are allowed to write opinion pieces AND straight news, but almost all their opinions are from the left. Their articles often contain negative snark and opinion when the subject is FNC, Republicans, or non-left groups… while they’re neutral or positive on Democrats or Liberal causes. They’re more likely to ban or attack posters on the right, than on the left.

    This is not to say they’re advocates like MediaMatters… just not “fair” or even handed.

    Spud, for example, is much more fair in his posts and opinions, than anyone at Mediaite.

  6. imnotblue Says:

    Oops. Damn Android.

  7. Grandpa Dave Says:

    Three month to go until Spud’s numerically specia day.

  8. I know that Mediaite is liberal, and grade accordingly. They generally don’t traffic in cheap-shots, and don’t seem to automatically believe something because it suits their slant. I don’t ask much, just basic honesty.

  9. Frances Martel at Mediaite occasionally drifts a bit right of center, but is in general unpredictable. Matt Schneider is probably their closest thing to a rightist version of Tommy Christopher, though he’s not doctrinaire.

  10. lonestar77 Says:

    “I know that Mediaite is liberal, and grade accordingly. They generally don’t traffic in cheap-shots, and don’t seem to automatically believe something because it suits their slant. I don’t ask much, just basic honesty.”

    My standards for the left-wing media are pretty low too. 🙂

  11. Tamron was playing Rebecca Black’s performance of the greatest song ever in the history of everything, “Friday”, on America Thinks You’ve Got Talent (or whatever) when they cut it off for Obama’s speech. Hey, I was listening to that!

  12. She’s probably done more for the economy than he has.

  13. imnotblue Says:

    J$-

    Compared with their overall performance, and the rest of the “team,” I’m not willing to give partial credit for a 1 in 10 performance.

    I think it really comes down from Colby Hall (the head editor). He’s very opinionated, very biased, and immature… especially for his position. Remember, this is someone who emailed me personally on my unpublished address, and foolishly threatened my status at the site for criticizing their content.

  14. Colby doesn’t need to “foolishly threaten” anybody..if he wanted you off the site, you’d be off the site. He probably was trying to kindly nudge you away from your standard practice of being an intransigent, self-righteous know-it-all. It didn’t work.

  15. lonestar77 Says:

    “He probably was trying to kindly nudge you away from your standard practice of being an intransigent…”

    Awesome. The word of the year. You’re really not a true lefty these days unless you call someone to your right, “intransigent”.

  16. Anyone who thinks piling up an ICN comment section with a dissection of how “liberal” another blog is gets all the “intransigent” they can stand. Why the hell are you talking about this? The topic was whether we thought the Palin article was unfair – a question the author himself brought up IN THE ARTICLE – and we all agreed it was. Now we’re gonna have a succession of righties rambling on about how “biased Mediaite is”, like anybody gives a crap. It’s a site that generates traffic by irritating jumpy conservative victims. Congratulations, suckers.

  17. I thought the topic was ‘Free for All’.

  18. lonestar77 Says:

    Or, it’s a site that generates traffic by playing to race card playing lefties. You’re familiar with those types, aren’t ya Joe?

  19. As opposed to liberal “victims” who went on for days about the “race-baiting” Rush Limbaugh?

  20. Gosh, maybe he just says things like that to yank people like you. But it’s a hideous crime when he does it.

  21. Rush is a major force in Republican politics, appealing to hate and racism with his disgusting rants. I’ll “go on” about it as long as he keeps it up.

    J$, y’all can talk about whatever you want, no matter HOW stupid it is. Go crazy, I need a nap before my shift starts. I’m ooooold.

  22. Then don’t complain when people nail it on your side. They appeal to a culture of racial victimization, and perpetuate the idea of “hate and racism” which your side uses as a political motivator.

  23. lonestar77 Says:

    “Rush is a major force in Republican politics, appealing to hate and racism with his disgusting rants.”

    When he goes on rants about Bill Clinton, John Kerry, Nancy Pelosi & Harry Reid, are those “racist” too? When he prasies people like Clarence Thomas, Condi Rice, Allen West, is that “racist” too?

    Rush doesn’t like liberals or liberal policies. And, he understands that all the left really has is the race card. He likes to rile people like you up because it shows just how freaking dumb you are.

    Everytime you or anyone on the left plays the race card, you may as well be carrying a neon sign that reads “I’ve got nothin’ else. I fail”.

    It’s racist! He’s racist! She’s racist! Dude, that’s all you have.

  24. Dude, you’re a f***ing idiot. I “have” plenty about plenty of things, including Rush being the kind of moron who makes fun of disabilities. He gets “the race card” for comparing Obama to “Mugabe in Zimbabwe taking white farms” last week. That’s dirtbag racism and you’re fine with it, which says more than I need to know about YOU.

  25. imnotblue Says:

    Folks, let’s not forget this is Joe’s World… he’s just letting us stay here. That’s why he can (hypocritically) complain, dictate to others what should be talked about based on what he wants to talk about, and can hurl insults and attacks but still pout and whine when he gets anything in return.

    Most people would be embarassed by that behavior. But not Joe… because this is HIS world.

    Now he’s going to go… come back… say he’s going again… come back two minutes later… and then leave again in a huff.

  26. I have seen so much petty criticism of the left on Mediaite by their supposed “liberal” bloggers. At first, I thought I was crazy and seeing things that weren’t there, but I just got sick of their attempt to appease the tea party types who post comments on there and complain about how liberal the site is. By the way, these same kind of people see the same bias at TVNewser, too. It never ends.

    As for Mediaite, if you want to criticize liberals, that’s fine, but don’t try and create a balance of criticism because of the fear of being labeled liberal. INB and J$ already did it here, which is so predictable. It will happen regardless, because you can never make the bias complaints of the far-right happy. They will find something and latch onto it no matter what.

  27. dictate to others what should be talked about based on what he wants to talk about

    Well, that’s rich. Clearly, we’re not living in INB’s world of imagining someone saying something that they never said. If he could kindly point everybody to the comment where Joe was “dictating” what we should talk about, it would make him look less paranoid.

    Because what I, and those of us who aren’t in the job of spinning the truth, read is Joe inquiring as to why we are talking about a completely different subject that had nothing to do with the initial subject at hand. He never said we HAVE to talk about anything.

  28. “NB and J$ already did it here…”

    Actually I was making the opposite argument to what PL claims! Reading comprehension is not one of Progger’s skills.

  29. lonestar77 Says:

    Everybody knows you don’t listen to Rush, Joe. All hear from Rush is what media matters or Rachel tells you. Johnathan Capehart today compared David Cameron to Hosni Mubarack. That’s dirtbag racism! Racist! Raceismsistsismsisms.

    Face it, anybody on the right who criticizes any minority on the left for anything is a “racist” in your mind because you’re incapable of thinking for yourself. Your tired claims of racism are not only old & boring, they are thoughtless, ignorant, bigoted and destructive.

    Grow up.

  30. Of course I don’t listen to Rush. Why would I listen to a mean, racist gasbag who thinks it’s funny to mock Michael J. Fox’s disability? I heard his Mugabe comment on Rachel’s show, and have yet to hear anybody either defend it, or condemn it. You just blithely pretend it didn’t happen because you share his other views, and don’t mind racist attacks against liberals. This isn’t hard to figure out, ya know.

  31. -Palin Article-

    Article was written by Tommy Christopher, nuff said.

    -Mediaite-

    Since when was Mediaite a liberal site? In my opinion it is one of the more balanced sites when it comes to its articles; the comments may be immature and extremely agonizing but pretty balanced nonetheless. Tommy is a lefty (pretty obvious) as well as Philip (he doesn’t post much and I don’t complain) but everyone else reports fairly fair (Frances pushes it once in a while but all in all is cool with me).

    -Limbaugh-

    Why must we bring up Limbaugh again? Can we please bury this topic and leave Limbaugh’s rantings to someone who gives a sh!t? Limbaugh is a conservative who says what he believes, let’s leave it there please.

  32. I brought up Limbaugh. Oops. Agree about Mediaite.

  33. I mess with Rush because the GOP lives in fear the mean old bastard, and it bothers me no end that a frickin talk radio host has such a grip on an entire political party. He’ll stoop to any level to keep his name in lights, and you guys go along with it. I don’t understand that.

  34. Yet I’m willing to drop the subject.

  35. Me, too..he’s BORING. How ’bout that Palin crashing the Straw Poll, eh? Whaddyathink, Country Star Hair and a big belt buckle, or President Hair and a blazer?

  36. Metaphor wise I’m not sure, you never know with this woman. Either she is dumb and has no idea how the game is played or is a genius who is playing the game differently for the first time. Either way I am tired of her dragging us guessing what she will do. I think if she puts in the work she can be great but it has yet to be seen.

    Literally, I have no opinion on her attire. I never did like her country star hair though, it looks weird IMO.

  37. savefarris Says:

    Why would I listen to a mean, racist gasbag who thinks it’s funny to mock Michael J. Fox’s disability?

    This again? Really? Are you sure you want to set the precedent that a critic cannot fact-check someone who suffers from a disability?

  38. Fact-check? He mimicked his muscular disease ’cause, ya know, it’s ok when it’s a liberal. You don’t know what you’re talking about.

  39. starbroker Says:

    Mediaite is actually claiming they aren’t a liberal site? Who among their writers is a moderate? Who a conservative? They might have one moderate on the staff but pretty much all the others are left wingers.

    Then when people complain they say they are just opinion folks. Problem is thats about all they have is opinion folks and nobody doing any straight reporting.

    Although, to Tommys credit, he was pretty fair in the Breitbart/ Weinergate.

  40. Why are you looking for “straight reporting” from Mediaite? They check out the media landscape, and express opinions about it. Who cares? I swear, the hysteria about “liberal bias” knows no end. Especially in their comment section.

  41. Here’s your “liberal bias” at Mediate. Scroll down to the comment from me (Joseph Bernard) to learn how they took Rush at his word without investigating what Matthews actually said.

    http://www.mediaite.com/online/rush-limbaugh-on-chris-matthews-and-al-sharpton-a-bunch-of-parasites/

  42. Come on star, let’s not get paranoid and label any organization that does not express the conservative viewpoint verbatim as a positive liberal bias.

  43. ^ I can’t believe I heard an actual conservative say that. I’m kinda freakin out.

  44. You’ve heard a couple say that.

  45. Bachmann is brilliant. She stuck to the “don’t raise the debt ceiling” mode during the negotiations, knowing damn well they were going to raise it, and her prediction that “nothing would happen” goes unanswered. Now she gets to open the debate with her solid stance on something that was vapor as though it means something. If she came up with that idea herself, she can fire Ed Rollins right now.

  46. ^Oh right there is some kind of debate on.

  47. You’ve heard a couple say that.

    Sorry, I have a “Laura bias”. It means “someone besides Laura..”

  48. Romney: “I’m not gonna eat Obama’s dog food.” Huh?

  49. If these 8 is the best the GOP has to offer Obama is gonna be really happy.

  50. “Dog food” is all over Twitter, reminding everyone that Romney took a vacation with his dog on top of the car, and said “who let the dogs out”, the two most embarrassing moments of his last campaign. Nice work, Mitt.

  51. HA! Pawlenty lied about questioning Bachmann’s ability to serve because of migraines, then she turned to him and tore him a new one. Badass.

  52. Bachmann just emasculated Pawlenty. He’s done.

  53. Sharia Law!

  54. @andylevy
    RT @daveanthony: Newt is not happy with the “gotcha” questions, which are also known as “questions.”

  55. Secure the border!

  56. Bachmann is trying to make Pawlenty the “other real candidate”, ignoring Romney. That’s a Rollins move.

  57. You know the GOP has a problem when Ron Paul is most rational person on stage.

  58. That happens at every debate, then the party forgets about him again.

  59. 90 minute debates, tolerable. 2 hours, not so much.

  60. Why do they ask presidential candidates abortion questions? A POTUS doesn’t have a vote on constitutional amendments.

  61. Romney started weird, but the meltdown of everybody else saved him in the end. Bachmann’s talking-point platitudes wore thin, especially after she weirdly showed up late from a break. Her energy faded, and her insistence that raising the debt ceiling would not have had a negative effect, and that S&P’s downgrade suported that view, was complete fantasy, stated as fact.

  62. ^Couldn’t have said it better myself.

  63. ^ Thank you, sir.

  64. If I had to guess, I’d say he was talking to Al. Anything else is unthinkable. Although, that break was weird. Will Sean ask?

  65. Santorum playing the experienced compromiser, explaining how politics works to the far-right Bachmann, was amusing. When did Rick Santorum become the moderate in the GOP?

  66. That was funny laura 🙂 but it was meant for joe. When he has moments of serene clarity he knocks it out of the park.

  67. — serene clarity ==

    It’s the drugs. Sometimes they wear-off.

  68. Are you two done..?

  69. Let me medicate the idiot.

  70. — dog food —

    I missed the beginning, due to a chauffeuring emergency. I believe it’s an advertising reference that I heard used during the healthcare-debate. The deal is, it doesn’t matter how you sell the product if the dogs won’t eat the food. I think Romney did what I sometimes do, that is to assume since I know what I’m talking about, then everyone else does. Anyone who isn’t immersed in this stuff wouldn’t get that reference, and even some who are.

  71. Bachmann’s transformation tonight was rather startling..those migraines are going to become an issue if she fades in more debates. She came out both barrels, then sank like a stone after that break. You could almost visibly see her shrinking as the night wore on. The Michele Bachmann who started the debate was gone.

  72. – dog food –

    Nope, I didn’t know.

  73. – MelissaTweets
    RT @HeyTammyBruce: Somewhere there is a woman, having left her igloo for a trip to Iowa, who is smiling tonight. –

    She’s on Hannity tomorrow! Ames Saturday! I don’t see how she walks away now. That debate was total chaos. If you’re Sarah Palin, and you’re being told Mitt Romney is still the frontrunner..

  74. At this stage of the game, if you’re you’re rooting for a Bachman, Perry, or even Pawlenty, you want Romney to be the frontrunner.

  75. Perry vs. Bachmann will be interesting. They’ll be splitting the same vote, and they know it. Perry will have more energy, which will either clobber her, or clobber him when it backfires. Bring it on!

  76. Perry has executive experience – a huge plus for Repub voters – and he has an impressive economic record in his state. What he needs in order to catch on for the long haul is to defeat Bachmann without making her look bad. Short of hauling off and punching his pretty face, doesn’t matter how he handles Romney.

  77. imnotblue Says:

    ProgLib Says:
    August 11, 2011 at 1:56 pm

    If he could kindly point everybody to the comment where Joe was “dictating” what we should talk about, it would make him look less paranoid.

    Why the hell are you talking about this? The topic was whether we thought the Palin article was unfair – a question the author himself brought up IN THE ARTICLE – and we all agreed it was. Now we’re gonna have a succession of righties rambling on about how “biased Mediaite is”, like anybody gives a crap.

    Certainly looks like he was saying our topic wasn’t worthy of discussion, thusly trying to dictate the conversation, and what is acceptable and what isn’t.

    Because what I, and those of us who aren’t in the job of spinning the truth,

    Weren’t you the same poster who admitted recently that you would defend Keith Olbermann’s insane ranting simply because he was a lefty on MSNBC, and not because you really agreed with him? Didn’t you say that you knew you had to do that, because he was “one of your guys” and attacking him would only give comfort to your political opposites?

    Yes, you were. So perhaps when you say that you’re “aren’t in the job of spinning the truth,” you should remember you already confessed to doing just that.

    jackyboy Says:
    August 11, 2011 at 3:03 pm

    I respectfully disagree. If you read the opinions published and check out their editorialists, you realize the deck is stacked to the left. Additionally(and you can take this as my opinion), the majority of the time their articles tend to be biased in tone… Republicans receive a lot of snark, while Democrats get more down the middle or praising reports, with little contradiction. And once you realize that their straight reporters ALSO double as opinion reporters, it becomes a little tougher to separate the news from opinion.

    starbroker Says:
    August 11, 2011 at 5:27 pm

    Although, to Tommys credit, he was pretty fair in the Breitbart/ Weinergate.

    Of their reporters, I respect Tommy the most. His opinions are often off the wall, and he has been on this quid pro quo kick of recent where he talks about Thom Hartman, and in return Hartman puts him on his television show… but at least he makes it clear where he’s coming from. Unlike so many of the others there, he doesn’t pretend that he’s unbiased. Like always, it’s not the crime (if bias was a crime), it’s the cover-up (the denial of bias).

    joeremi Says:
    August 11, 2011 at 5:41 pm

    Why are you looking for “straight reporting” from Mediaite? They check out the media landscape, and express opinions about it.

    Because they’re supposed to express opinions under the “editorial” section, not in their reporting section. Simply because their a blog, you cannot argue that they’re allowed to mix the two, and claim to be un-biased reporting “most” of the time. They should be clear that their site is a left-of-center media site, and be done with it. They’re essentially HuffPo, but only concentrating on Media and politics. They’re left, but not far-left… straight-ish news, with opinion mixed in. The only difference is HuffPo made that clear from day one.

    joeremi Says:
    August 11, 2011 at 5:47 pm

    Here’s your “liberal bias” at Mediate. Scroll down to the comment from me…

    Not talking about the comment section. Only the actual Mediate writers.

    __________

    And for those who haven’t had enough of the Mediaite discussion, I have another amazing point (so says I) to discuss about it. But I think I’ll wait until the morn to post it in the new Free For All thread.

    You’re welcome!

  78. ^Dang, that’s dedication.

  79. ^ ^ Yeah, that’s what Charlie Brown’s mom said, too.

    When it gets right down to it, with these debates and horse-race scorings and straw poll…. come this November we’ll still have another whole freakin’ year to wait before the actual election and something serious getting done.

  80. Dedicated or medicated, to continue a theme.

  81. All that “dedication” and he STILL missed my point about the article that unfairly tagged Matthews because the author obviously didn’t see the segment.

    Betcha he missed a Republican debate to type up that opus..

  82. imnotblue Says:

    Dedicated, medicated, separated, constipated… it all comes down to being kinda bored, and avoiding the work I’m really supposed to be doing.

    And the idea of Joe sitting somewhere angrily beating his fists on his computer table, makes me giggle.

  83. imnotblue Says:

    Nah… missed the debates because I don’t care, and was recovering after company softball.

  84. …and avoiding the work I’m really supposed to be doing.

    That practically is my job.

    …angrily beating his fists on his computer table…

    I told you, I’m more of a “shaking fists at the sky”, Howard Beale type. I want you to go to your windows…

  85. imnotblue Says:

    It’s my imagination, Joe.

  86. – the debates –

    Check the re-air on FNC now. Frequently hilarious, especially when the crowd scared Bret.

  87. imnotblue Says:

    No thanks. I hate wasting my time with all the pre-election stuff like this. I don’t vote in the primaries, and have no desire to get all invested in a candidate, only to not have that candidate be the actual candidate.

    Wake me when it’s “go” time.

  88. Highlights of debate:

    – Mitt Romney is worried about samey/same marriages being unfairly treated across state lines… so wants that solved federally by only allowing plugs to hook-up with outlets.

    – Ron Paul wants the federal gummit to shut up about samey/same marriages.

    – Rick Santorum must’ve had a bad experience in a three-some and is afraid allowing samey/sames would be a slippery slope toward having a whole mess of plugs dangerously hooked into outlet strips.

    – Newt didn’t say “frankly” once, but there may be a panel of his ex-wives “on the next Fox News Sunday.”

  89. Like Bachmann’s bulbs, I think Santorum wants to ban three-prong-plugs. It’s just not right.

  90. Y’all are dancing close to that edge with “Santorum” and “plugs”, aren’t cha?

  91. Newt Gingrich’s profile is a funny paper cartoonist’s dream.

    I haven’t noticed Bachmann’s bulbs.

    Easy to be edgy when dancing with a 60 amp breaker in a 20 amp circuit.

  92. Dancing? Sounds like fun.

    Newt’s cartoon is about as distinct as Alfred Hitchcock, but not nearly as entertaining.

  93. I figured Newt’s answer to samey/sames would’ve been that he’s in favour – they should be allowed to be miserable, too.

  94. Why shouldn’t gay politicians get to be dogged by pissed-off ‘wives’? Only seems fair.

  95. Why shouldn’t g@y pols get to be dogged by pissed-off ‘wives’? Only seems fair.

  96. “Wait..you want to get married? You’ve never been married, have you..?”

  97. You know if Newt made it into the White House that Bill Clinton would be spending a whole lot of time listening in on the chatter from his Secret Service agent’s ear piece. Serial offender and all… or cereal offender if we were talking Fruit Loops, I suppose..

  98. He can write “Fruit Loops” but I get moderated for “g@y”. Sigh.

  99. “Fruit Loops” is bad?

  100. Is this a “make it to a meaningless 100” contest? Wait..I WON!

  101. Wait..I lost.

  102. Al’s Loops made 100. Appropriate, when you think about it.

  103. Actually I was making the opposite argument to what PL claims!

    Well, in my defense, it’s hard to tell the difference between you and INB. Both of you repeat similar talking points that it’s nearly interchangeable. If INB posted under your name, I’m sure nobody would be able to tell a difference.

    Reading comprehension is not one of Progger’s skills.

    Don’t throw stones in a glass house, Johnny… you wouldn’t want me to take you back in history and show your own lack of comprehension.

  104. “Both of you repeat similar talking points…”

    Given that I was DISagreeing with him, you sort of proved my reading comprehension point for me. Thanks.

  105. space for lease…

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