Free for All: 09/24/12

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66 Responses to “Free for All: 09/24/12”

  1. Romney is still going to win.

  2. Yeah, but the President who does offer solutions may not be in as bad a position as we think. If they’re bipartisan solutions (or have the cover of it).

    If, for example, Obama had agreed to Boehner’s deficit reduction plan, I think he’d be up 6-8 points, maybe more.

    Romney couldn’t use the debt/deficit argument against him. And I think the deal may have helped prevent a downgrading of the US credit and possibly – I’m reaching a bit here – helped economic growth.

    In any case, it would have helped him with moderates and independents and removed one arrow from the Republican quiver.

    So, sure, the next president is inheriting a lot of problems but one person’s problem is another person’s opportunity.

  3. Grandpa Dave, isn’t it amazing that when a Republican presides over bad times, the media claims it’s clearly due to Republican policies and the implementation thereof. But when a Democratic presides over bad times, we get articles about how the country is ungovornable and “no one could have possibly fixed it.”

    ———————————————————————

    erich’s right in the sense that if Obama had adopted more conservative policies, he’d be in much better position electorally.

    Exhibit A: Bill Clinton

    Clinton ended up adopting conservative policies because cared more about self-preservation than “the cause” and knew that in order to get re-elected (and to have a positive legacy), he had to adpot policies that would work. Knowing that no matter who originated the idea, as President he’d get credit.

    But Obama has no such qualms. He views getting as much of the liberal agenda passed as his legacy (whether it actually helps the country or [most likely] not). It explains why he pushed health care even as it led to epic midterm losses. And why he’s issuing executive orders left and right on immigration and welfare.

  4. First Elizabeth Warren wasn’t even a real Indian. Now, she’s not even a real lawyer? http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/09/24/Elizabeth-Warren-Admits-She-Is-Not-Licensed-to-Practice-Law-in-Massachusetts

  5. This is longish but it warrants mentioning.

    Walter Russell Mead:
    “If the president were a conservative Republican rather than a liberal Democrat, I have little doubt that much of the legacy press would be focused more on what is wrong with America. There would be more negative reporting about the economy, more criticism of policy failures and many more withering comparisons between promise and performance [me: This latter point is hard to refute].

    And this:
    “The catastrophic decline in African-American net worth during the last four years would, if we had a Republican president, be presented in the press as illustrating the racial indifference or even the racism of the administration.”

    I’d like to see Chris Matthews do a story on this. But I’m not going to put much hope behind it.

    And especially this:
    “The current state of the Middle East would be reported as illustrating the complete collapse of American foreign policy—if Bush were in the White House. The criticism of drone strikes and Guantanamo that is now mostly confined to the far left would be mainstream conventional wisdom, and the current unrest in the Middle East would be depicted as a response to American militarism. The in and out surge in Afghanistan would be mercilessly exposed as a strategic flop, reflecting the naive incompetence of an inexperienced president out of his depth.”

    A little simplistic but not far off, I think.

  6. Who else gets locked-out by WordPress?

  7. Ah. It just won’t let me post links. Fabulous.

  8. The last post I made that had links went into moderation. Spud had to approve it.

    Not sure if it’s WordPress or something with ICN.

  9. WordPress, I’m sure. I used to bug Spud about it, and sometimes he’d find the linked comments in spam. Lately it just glitches out occasionally. Oh vell.

  10. Yeah there’s nothing writing a longish post and then finding out you have to reset your password. At least now I’ve figured out how to do it without having to rewrite the whole thing again.

  11. What’s aggravating is that it won’t post, and if you try to re-post the same comment, it says that you already posted that. So now you have to change it slightly, and it STILL won’t allow you to post. I’m arguing with a freaking blog. Grrr…

  12. There’s a lot of speculation in the right-wing blogosphere today about Elizabeth Warren practicing law in Mass. without a licence. If true; and given the sources that’s a big if; it could prove as problematic to her as Todd Akin’s abortion comments were to him in Mo.

    The Warren campaign has yet to comment on the charges and there have been no stories on the subject in the MSM that I can locate; so the story is all right wing speculation up until the time of this post.

  13. ^ “given the sources that’s a big if”

    Are you saying a Cornell University Law Professor is a questionable source?

    http://legalinsurrection.com/2012/09/elizabeth-warrens-law-license-problem/

  14. The Warren campaign has yet to comment on the charges

    Incorrect.

    She confirms she is not currently licensed to practice in Massachusetts or New Jersey. The guy at LegalInsurrection pretty clearly shows that she NEVER was licensed in MA, so the question is what her status in NJ was when she claimed to be representing Travelers Insurance (and why she claimed her teaching office at Harvard was also her official law office and whether Harvard allows such a thing for those who aren’t licensed in MA and don’t fall under the standard exceptions.)

    I’m sure if there’s some wiggle room and/or a technicality to hang her headdress on, MSNBC will find it!!!

  15. Points off for italics

  16. MSM lies about crowd size in Milwaukee, WI! Should that surprise anyone? 5000 vs. 18,000? really?

    http://battlegroundwatch.com/2012/09/23/how-big-was-obamas-crowd-in-wisconsin/

  17. “Now, back when our great-grandparents were riding that Underground Railroad,”

    Guess who made that well informed comment during a speech?

    http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/high-school-band-celebrates-russian-revolution.html

    Do we need to start changing how we teach history in the country?

  18. “Are you saying a Cornell University Law Professor is a questionable source?”

    Yes , if he posts it on a right wing blog.

    Have patience Pam. There’ll be plenty of time to gloat and be outraged if/when these speculations are confirmed as true.

  19. The Friday numbers are in for last week and the Prime time demo numbers are really interesting. LOD beat Greta all four nights and Maddow won three of the five nights over Hannity.

    FNC still won the week but only a nose; 98,000 viewers out of a total of just under 5 million. I assume they have Billo to thank for saving their butts.

    Why this is happening is still unknown but I will be watching this weeks numbers closely to see if this week is a one or the start of a trend.

    I haven’t seen any discussion on media websites yet but I may just have missed it.

  20. any speculation as to why the MSM hasn’t bothered to investigate before now (if they even are now)? Were her last name ‘Palin’ or ‘the Plumber’, wouldn’t we know every single mind-numbing detail about this already?

    If you believe in investigative journalism … vote Republican. It’s the only way the media will hold our elected officials accountable.

  21. @ fritz

    I’m assuming those numbers are for the demo.

    If so, can you tell me why I should care about the demo? I’m not an advertiser, I’m not trying to sell a product or build a brand… why should 18 to whatevers, mean more to me than the total audience?

  22. Warren is a very smart person. I want Brown to win, but I’m not going to get my hopes up that she would do something as dumb as practice law unlicensed. Makes no sense.

  23. The DEMO fuels the money. And money makes the world go round. It’s a big deal.

  24. Politico’s Dylan Byers reports:

    Willie Geist, NBC contributor and co-host of MSNBC’s Morning Joe, has landed a co-host spot on NBC’s “Today” show.

    Brian Stelter has the scoop:

    The promotion is expected to be announced by NBC this week, according to people who described it on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized by the network to comment.

    Along with the 9 a.m. co-hosting gig, Mr. Geist will be a backup for Matt Lauer, the longtime host of the 7 to 9 a.m. hours of “Today,” a profit center for NBC.

    GOOD FOR WILLIE!

  25. “I’m assuming those numbers are for the demo.”

    They are the prime time demo numbers only (25-54) but I believe that this is the number most advertising rates are based on. It’s only one week (although MSNBC won the Democratic convention coverage and Maddow beat Hannity on Sept.10) but if it continues this week and beyond it would be a very big cable news story. My understanding is MSNBC has never beaten FNC for the week or in any major ratings category before – ever.

  26. TVNewser now has a story out on the ratings numbers I commented on a few hours ago. Better late than never.

  27. They are the prime time demo numbers only (25-54)

    They’re Live+SD, not Live only. If you care about the demo and the demo only (presumably because you want to reach them via commercial), then don’t you care if all those 25-54 year olds are watching you via DVR and skipping said commercials?

    Just asking.

  28. If you dreamed of an electric car that’s not a volt,
    dream on buddy ’cause you’re a dolt:
    http://www.wnd.com/2012/09/toyota-drops-big-sales-plan-for-electric-car/?cat_orig=money

  29. I think you guys missed the part where I said, “Why should I care about the demo?”

    This is a debate I’ve had before over the value of the demo to non-advertisers. Yes, its the numbers networks use when figuring out ad rates, with the theory that younger people can become “brand loyal,” while older people may have already made those decisions. Whether or not that makes sense, is up for debate… but not the point at the moment.

    My question is, since I’m not an advertiser or buying ad space, why should I care about the demo? Heck, why should I care about ratings at all?!

    If we’re going to talk about ratings as some sort of metric for how well the network is doing, we need to take into account household awareness, ad costs, and total reach of the network. It becomes purely a financial discussion, with far too many other factors contributing to it.

    Perhaps I’m taking this all too seriously… or maybe I’m just getting bored of the endless and meaningless discussion about ratings. But I just can’t figure out why I should care.

  30. If you assume the network you like will reinvest a portion of the money it earns to make it a better network then you want them to get the ratings to make that money.

  31. If you took the hundred grand dad left you and invested in Facebook on IPO day, don’t fret too bad: You still have fifty-five thou left.

  32. You can debate demo vs total audience or Live vs Live+SD till the cows come home; it’s not the point.The fact that FNC Primetime shows lost the week to lowly MSNBC in any category at all is the story. That’s not suppose to happen at the almighty Fox News Channel.

    TVNewser says it happened in 2008 but I don’t recall the details or reasons why it happened Perhaps Spud or someone here; with a better memory than me; what happened in 2008, why this change is occurring now and if it will continue.

    The one thing you can be very sure of blue is that over at FNC – they care.

  33. “Are you saying a Cornell University Law Professor is a questionable source?”

    “Yes , if he posts it on a right wing blog.”

    So, anything that is posted on a left wing blog is also a questionable source following your logic. So, in other words I never have to believe a word you have to say since that is where you get most of your information.

    Got it!

  34. You should care about the demo if you think FNC is the toppermost of the poppermost. You would be wrong. FNC has the same problem NASCAR does: Their audience is aging, and not being replaced. FNC has a good product at the moment, but nothing lined up for the future. Greg Gutfeld and Andrea Tantaros will not be able to replace The Factor and Hannity.

  35. ” So, in other words I never have to believe a word you have to say since that is where you get most of your information.”

    ^^ Gee Pam; I never thought you did believe anything I said anyway. 😉

  36. Pam should at least be skeptical. Fritz keeps lying that FNC lost the primetime demo last wk. Not true. FNC WON. Only 1 show, Maddow, won the demo 4 the wk.

  37. TVNewser says it happened in 2008 but I don’t recall the details or reasons why it happened Perhaps Spud or someone here; with a better memory than me; what happened in 2008, why this change is occurring now and if it will continue.

    Yes, it did happen in 2008, leading up to the November 4th elections. Olbermann was starting to beat O’Reilly, as was Maddow, in the demo ratings. At one point, it got so bad for O’Reilly that he began conspiring that the Nielsen Ratings Company was behind the change in numbers and rigging them. Olbermann did a funny monologue about it, too.

    Interestingly enough, it’s happening a lot sooner this go around than it did last time. I remember following it very closely.

    As for why the numbers are getting stronger for MSNBC: I think it’s because of the nearing elections, again, and the Democratic base getting so upbeat about their candidate facing off against a fumbling failure like Romney, who has more gaffes than he does houses, cars, and dressage horses, combined.

    By the way, I’m sure Blue remembers when this happened, as well, because I recall seeing him in the TVNewser chatroom, and making a similar “the demo numbers aren’t important” argument.

  38. Romney is still going to win.

    Not with answers like that “emergency room” crap on 60 Minutes last night. Aside from being a heartless comment on health care for people who can’t afford decent coverage, it’s also in complete contradiction to previous statements he’s made on the subject AND his own policies in Mass. What’s worse than a jerk? A lying jerk.

  39. “By the way, I’m sure Blue remembers when this happened, as well, because I recall seeing him in the TVNewser chatroom, and making a similar “the demo numbers aren’t important” argument.”

    ^^Ouch! 🙂

    Thanks for the info Kevin.

  40. Every poll I’ve seen this past week shows that this race is, right now – if you include the margin of error – a dead heat. To be sure, it looks like the President has an easier way to get to 270 and Romney has less margin of error; but it’s still fluid.

    So, I think supporters for each candidate need to chill out a bit.

    This is going down to the wire.

  41. Rachel Maddow did a segment tonight about Mitt Romney having invested in the Chinese state oil company CNOOC up until 2011. it’s one that’s heavily invested in Iran. He sold them last year.

    I’m sure it’s not a game changer or anything like that. It’s just another of the endless negative stories the Romney campaign has to deal with over the next two days. Two more days they will be again off their current message about the evils of China.

    BTW: This is the same CNOOC that just made a $15 billion offer to buy the Canadian oil company Nexen and that the Conservative government there will most likely not allow to happen as they consider CNOOC a security risk.

  42. In other news about how clueless Mitt Romney is about the world outside his homes, he doesn’t understand why you can’t open the windows on a jet. Seriously.

  43. I heard Roseanne Barr was going to be on Hannity & Hannity tonight so I tuned-in to check that out. As much as I HATE! to admit it, Sean Hannity actually gave her a fair shake. He didn’t hide who he is – he’s not a hard news guy, after all – but she was given a short time to make her case.

    I’m not a Roseanne fan and I know she can be quite crude at times. Still, anyone being given a chance deserves to get it without snark. I didn’t think Hannity had it it him.

    -Romney investments-

    Two words: Blind trust.

  44. And on the plane business:

    I believe that they have been unable to design screens that will stay on the windows at the speed jets fly, and most passengers would complain about bugs.

  45. -Blind trust.-

    Blind trusts have rules, like “don’t invest my money with Chinese companies that do business with Iran.” How do I know this? Mitt Romney told me.

  46. If Romney loses, can the Dick Morris float finally be deflated and removed from the Fox News Parade? Morris keeps saying Romney would win, if the election were right now. Rush says it would be a landslide. I think Rush has lost his mind, and Morris sells a lot of crap to a select group of people. He’s a notably egregious embarrassment to the network. I’ll assume that they’re capable of such.

  47. I would hope that at least some of our elected rich people and their appointees have taken advantage of opportunities to invest in overseas markets and have gained experience in how things are working elsewhere. In this new “world economy” we can’t expect good decisions be made on our behalf with experience gained only from decade-old textbooks.

  48. Two words: Blind trust.”

    ” The blind trust is an age old ruse. Which is to say you can always tell a blind trust what it can and cannot do – Mitt Romney -1994 video

  49. “I would hope that at least some of our elected rich people and their appointees have taken advantage of opportunities to invest in overseas markets”

    ^^Well Mitt certainly has. 🙂

  50. Our embassies were under assault, the black flag of al-Qaeda was raised over some of them, our ambassdor was killed along with three others, Syria is in flames, Afghanistan a mess, Iran marches on towards developing nuclear weapons and the President says these are “bumps in the road.”

    Then he appears on “The View” and doesn’t meet with world leaders at the UN.

    But nowhere is this described as a gaffe.

    Hey, but Romney said something about windows and an airplane.

    Christ, this is lunacy.

  51. Erich your a pretty fair guy so you know that in context Obama was talking about his general middle east policies over the last four years and not a specific event especially the death of the four Americans in Libya. It’s highly offensive to equate those two things and you know it. That’s why the only MSM the comment got was to call Romney on being an offensive jerk. Yet another case where he overplayed his hand.

  52. Yes, because the right is totally into the UN and Obama being polite to world leaders. LOOK AT THE COMMIE MUSLIM APPEASING THE TERRORISTS. It happens every time. These meetings are all show, and usually more to the benefit of the world leaders than POTUS. If I were Obama’s sheduler, I would make exactly this decision: “You’re not going, you’re not shaking hands, you’re not bowing to anyone whose country uses that custom. Go talk to some women.”

    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/megyn-kelly-battles-with-democratic-guest-in-attempt-to-get-answer-on-obama%e2%80%99s-shunning-world-leaders/

  53. Some politicians have proven themselves to be gifted campaigners. Some politicians have proven themselves to be able and effective leaders. More often than not, our choices do not include a candidate with both qualities.

  54. Obama could meet with Netanyahu and smooth out relations with Israel and keep his critics quiet. I know our Prime Minister will meet with Netanyahu on Friday. Clearly some people can see who in the Mideast is on the side of the free world.
    Btw, the US moving away from Israel to appease some in the Arab world isn’t working.
    -CNOOC-
    Nice to see some Americans are aware of this during campaign season, especially those who are concerned about China’s growing influence. China has been going around the world to secure resources for themselves. I think economist Dambisa Moyo wrote a book on this and how America will lose out.

  55. This is not the first time there has been a kerfuffle over President Obama avoiding the Israeli PM. Perhaps he is not interested in being perceived as wanting to “smooth out relations with Israel.” He also once said “pre-1967 borders” if I am remembering correctly.

  56. Perhaps he’s not ingterested in having the Israeli PM be a total dick to him in public, thereby launching another round of rightwing hysteria over what an evil Jew-hater POTUS is.

  57. Black people hate Jews.

    not sure why

  58. “Erich your a pretty fair guy so you know that in context Obama was talking about his general middle east policies over the last four years and not a specific event especially the death of the four Americans in Libya. It’s highly offensive to equate those two things and you know it.”

    In this Sept. 12 image taken from video and provided by CBS, ’60 Minutes’ correspondent Steve Kroft speaks with President Obama, at the White House in Washington. The interview aired on ’60 Minutes’ Sunday night, Sept. 23.

    CBS/AP
    http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder/Decoder-Wire/2012/0924/Obama-and-Romney-on-60-Minutes-What-were-the-defining-moments-video

    The interview with Obama happened on Sept. 12. So, the question about what was happening in the middle east WAS made in regards to specific events. You just don’t like his answer, so spin, spin, spin baby.

  59. When you see a Fritz lead up with something like
    “Erich, you’re a pretty fair guy”, prepare for whatever trails it by getting out your shovel.

  60. @ fritz

    Yes, over at FNC, they care. But that doesn’t mean I should.

    It is interesting when there is a big ratings shift, but I’d leave it at “interesting.” I’m still not sure what its value is to me. And after saying that, I can’t even begin to imagine why the demo, of all the available numbers, would mean anything at all, to me.

    @ Joe

    If I was a programming person at FNC, I’d be concerned. At the moment, I’m not… so I don’t.

    But I’d put my faith in the fact that they’ve done this well this far, and as time goes on, they’ll find something. Remember “The Five,” which nobody thought would work or get ratings… and how it became a hit. If I’m betting, smart money stays with FOX.

    @ Kevin

    I don’t remember it, because… well, I don’t.

    But I do know that I’ve been making the demo argument for years. And I’ll say it again, if you’re an advertiser, the demo is important. If you’re not… then who cares?

    However, if your implication is that this is some sort of false defense for FNC, then you’re very wrong. Whether FNC wins or loses, or if we’re talking about a network/program other than cable news… I can’t see why I should care about the demo. And as of yet, nobody has been able to tell me.

  61. Bebe Netanyahu judges the American president by the content of his character, not the colour of his middle finger.

  62. Obama’s base could not be stupider if you ran a contest to find stupid:
    http://realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/09/24/howard_stern_interviews_obama_supporters_2012.html

    … and voter suppression is a bad thing?

  63. “Bebe Netanyahu judges the American president by the content of his character, not the colour of his middle finger.”

    “Bebe Netanyahu is an Israeli Dick Cheney.”

  64. I knew if I waited long enough Fritz and I could agree on something. Maybe I could talk him into going hunting with Dick and I.

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