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Inside Cable News 
October 6, 2012 at 10:03 am
Hot: Jack Welch. He did a heckuva job of pulling attention away from the debates, and towards the jobs number.
Not: Jack Welch. He did a heckuva job of making the right look like paranoid idiots, along with reminding the country that rich guys are in the tank for Romney, and willing to be complete douchebags about it.
October 6, 2012 at 10:23 am
Hot: Debate: Obama takes a standing eight count,
Hot: 7.8% unemployment number. Obama gets a ray of sunshine.
Not:: Liberals try to blame Jim Lehrer, the altitude, Romney lying, Romney cheating, and the shadow of George Bush.
October 6, 2012 at 10:37 am
Obama didn’t lose because Romney lied his arse off. He lost for not addressing it.
October 6, 2012 at 10:53 am
and frankly, he didn’t look all that bright.
October 6, 2012 at 10:56 am
Candidly.
October 6, 2012 at 12:03 pm
Not:: Liberals try to blame Jim Lehrer, the altitude, Romney lying, Romney cheating, and the shadow of George Bush.
And Al Gore is fatter than ever!
October 6, 2012 at 12:05 pm
Obama didn’t lose because Romney lied his arse off. He lost for not addressing it.
You mean like when he kept babbling about the alleged $5 trillion tax cut that Romney’s planning, which Romney kept refuting – and like the programmed ‘bot that Obama is w/o the teleprompter, he kept bringing it up as if it were fact?
October 6, 2012 at 1:07 pm
HOT: Jack Welch in trying to create a stir to hurt Obama takes the attention away from the debate and makes Obama look good.
NOT HOT: FOX manufactures a fake controversy, and lands unbelievable numbers from a manufactured fake controversy.
HOT: FNC beats broadcast networks for the debate.
NOT HOT: Conservatives bashing the “main stream media” when FNC IS the mainstream media.
NOT HOT: Pundits declare Romney the winner of the debates when, in reality, Romney conceded he would increase defense spending, cut (er, privatize) Medicare.
NOT HOT: Pundits say Romney was honest, direct and courageous with the American people when he still hasn’t explained how he will accomplish this magic of cutting taxes for the wealthy, cutting corporate taxes while increasing revenue.
HOT: The jobs report itself makes the debate and everything related to it null and void.
October 6, 2012 at 1:08 pm
HOT: The Orioles and Nationals both make Postseason for the first time this century. Nobody in the Beltway even cares about politics right now.
October 6, 2012 at 3:42 pm
Ugh… I hate Hate HATE the left-wing, “FOX is the MSM” argument. It’s so stupid!
I’ll explain, again, for those confused:
First, arguing against using that term, is equal to trying to win a debate by checking grammar.
Second, MAINSTREAM MEDIA refers to the TRADITIONAL sources of information. Broadcast channels, newspapers, and established magazines are the “traditional” sources, and what is referenced when someone says MSM. They have a long history, are wide-spread nationally, and claim to be unbiased (sans editorials).
Third, the cable channel FOX News is not part of the “traditional” or “mainstream” media. Neither is MSNBC, most websites, partisan radio, and alternative magazines.
Lastly, there are some debatable outlets, which straddle the line between old and new media… CNN for example, is established, but as a cable channel, may never really be considered part of the MSM.
Now, can we put this to bed?
October 6, 2012 at 5:39 pm
No. Jon Scott references the other cable news channels as part of the MSM every Saturday on News Watch. ALL the cable news and business channels are part of it.
October 6, 2012 at 5:57 pm
Second, MAINSTREAM MEDIA refers to the TRADITIONAL sources of information. Broadcast channels, newspapers, and established magazines are the “traditional” sources, and what is referenced when someone says MSM.
And if anyone in that group does refer to FNC, it’s with a sneer and and disdain. THEY don’t consider Fox part of “the club”, so why should we?
NOT HOT: LSU’s offense. Making me long for the days of Jordan Jefferson. Just abysmal… I haven’t seen a performance that listless since, well, Wednesday.
October 6, 2012 at 6:54 pm
It makes no sense that cable news would be considered “main stream” unless from the perspective of someone getting their news by watching Gas Station Pump TV.
October 6, 2012 at 7:12 pm
It makes sense because a great deal of news is generated from those channels. Most people have cable, and most people with any interest in news at all will flip to those channels because they’re always on. Anybody who thinks the network 22-minute newscasts are driving narratives is dreaming.
October 6, 2012 at 7:23 pm
Hot: Griffin sending Shep Smith smoke signals.
Hot: MSNBC getting ratings
Hot: FNC’s debate airing beats cable and broadcast news in both total & demo.
Not: MSNBC’s Chris Matthews had a piddle down his leg watching the debate.
Not: Current’s Al Gore says “controversial” the same way his says “lock box”, both in sound and substance.
October 6, 2012 at 7:26 pm
I have no problem with Chris Matthews’ debate coverage. Obama choked, and Chris said so.
October 6, 2012 at 7:28 pm
^^ That makes sense only when covering your ears so not to understand what people mean when they say MSM…
Ted Koppel does a good job of personifying main stream media when he whines about all that is bad with cable news.
October 6, 2012 at 7:30 pm
I gotta agree with blue FNC is definitely not MSM. They are closer to a media arm of the Republican Party. 😉
October 6, 2012 at 7:39 pm
Such impressive wit.
October 6, 2012 at 8:46 pm
I have no problem with Chris Matthews’ debate coverage/
You probably shouldn’t be calling for Obama to bring out “the knives” when you’ve spent over 2 years lambasting Sarah Palin and every other Tea Partier over a “lack of civility”.
October 6, 2012 at 11:42 pm
I think my feelings about Chris Matthews are pretty clear. The man is clinically insane and needs to see a psychiatrist. But he was right.
October 7, 2012 at 6:34 am
Hi everyone. Just wanted to check in.
And “meow” from Missy.
October 7, 2012 at 8:38 am
Joe, by that definition… who ISN’T part of the MSM?!
October 7, 2012 at 11:39 am
– isn’t MSM –
HuffPo, Mediaite, blogs, Twitter, dumbass rightwing radio.
– “meow” –
That’s cute. Hi Missy and her cat! 😉
October 7, 2012 at 12:12 pm
Okay… so let’s consider your point, Joe (which sums up to partisan radio, and websites aren’t part of the MSM):
It makes sense because a great deal of news is generated from those channels. Most people have cable, and most people with any interest in news at all will flip to those channels because they’re always on.
Is news generated from websites or radio?
Yes, a lot of news and TV contributors, come from websites… and some even sponsor debates. And the left can’t stop talking about Limbaugh, so he’s apparently generating news.
Do most people have it?
Yes, most people have internet access, and radio is available to anyone with a receiver.
Will people with interest pay attention to them?
Clearly. The web is almost a primary source these days, and again people pay attention to Limbaugh and the like.
Is it always on?
Internet is, and radio can be (although with different programs).
Okay… so according to your standard, yes they are part of the, MSM.
Try again.
October 7, 2012 at 12:31 pm
I’d love to try again but, my computer is melting from the boredom of this ridiculous conversation. Have a lovely day.
October 7, 2012 at 1:28 pm
Blue: Fox News gets more eyeballs than the NY Times and the Washington Post. More than 10 million people watched the debate on Fox News. That was more than watched it on NBC and CBS and was only beaten by ABC.
It breaks big stories and draws huge audiences on breaking stories.
Presidents appear on the network as well as the leading political figures in the country.
Lots of people watch it and major figures appear on it.
Yes, it’s now part of the mainstream media.
October 7, 2012 at 4:26 pm
A late add.
HOT: The Obama Campaign confirms that Andrea Mitchell is an official Administration spokesperson.
October 7, 2012 at 8:03 pm
Why would boredom melt a computer?
In a contest of wit between Andy and Fritz, I’d give it a draw.
Meow.
October 7, 2012 at 8:05 pm
Congrats to Hugo. The people have spoken, The bastards.
October 7, 2012 at 8:07 pm
Note. You can say that, but not, “Yabba dabba doo, have a g@y ol’ time.”
October 7, 2012 at 8:11 pm
“Yabba dabba doo” sounds like the name of a city in Afghanistan.
October 7, 2012 at 8:20 pm
And why can’t you say gay? It’ snot a bad word.
October 7, 2012 at 8:21 pm
Mainstream does not equal popular… that’s not the same thing.
To most people, “mainstream” equals “traditional.”
And if all that counts is eyeballs, then The Daily Show, and Colbert, are too… as well as ESPN and Nickelodeon.
The left hears “mainstream,” and thinks”popular,” while the right hears, “traditional.” It’s all foolish semantics.
October 8, 2012 at 6:46 am
“Mainstream does not equal popular… that’s not the same thing.”
I agree. Which is why I included the part about Presidents and major figures appearing on it.
FNC covers major events, they cover breaking news, other news outlets cites stories they cover and break, politicians monitor what it reports, it influences news coverage….
It’s part of the mainstream now.
October 8, 2012 at 6:59 am
Basically there is FNC leaning conservative, MSNBC in left field, and everyone else having a subtle bias toward liberal. Labeling that is a waste of effort.
October 8, 2012 at 7:05 am
So erich… does that mean Jon Stewart and Colbert are part of the, MSM? What about late night talk shows like Leno and Letterman?
October 8, 2012 at 9:58 am
Well, all 4 are part of the vast left-wing conspiracy. Okay, not Jay.
October 8, 2012 at 10:07 am
“So erich… does that mean Jon Stewart and Colbert are part of the, MSM? ”
Blue, do Presidents appear on those shows to do serious interviews? Does the NY Times or other, what you call, “mainstream” news organizations cite news that those shows produce? Do Stewart and Colbert seriously report on major news events?
They don’t do news. They do comedy about the news.
Fox News produces/reports on news and news events. It is a news organization (that does too much opinion but that’s another story). Presidents and politicians appear on them to be interviewed. People get their news from it. Other news organizations – the Times, the Post, ABC/CBS/NBC, monitor what they produce.
Fox News is a major player in the news business. It is now part of the mainstream of the American news media.
At this point I’m repeating myself so I’ll move on.
October 8, 2012 at 5:56 pm
The debate over which outlets should be considered “mainstream” doesn’t matter much unless your goal is to ignore the larger point made by those who regularly use the “MSM” term.
“MSM” is much simpler than calling them “older, more established news outlets that once held a lock on the dissemination of important information.”
October 8, 2012 at 6:42 pm
Your problem is that most of the people who use the term include the other cable news channels in their criticism. The ridiculous conceit as that they exclude their own network. Which is how you get Jon Scott talking about the mainstream media as if he’s magically not in it.
October 8, 2012 at 7:04 pm
I’ll have to pay more attention to John Scott and see for myself if he really does that. I thought he’d say things like ‘MSNBC and the MSM.”
October 9, 2012 at 8:42 am
@ erich
do Presidents appear on those shows to do serious interviews?
They sure do with Stewart.
Does the NY Times or other, what you call, “mainstream” news organizations cite news that those shows produce?
Absolutely.
Do Stewart and Colbert seriously report on major news events?
I suppose you’d have to define “seriously.” Do they report on them? Yes. Do they ad sarcasm and swearing? Yes. They’re essentially editorial cartoons… present a serious situation, but humorously.
But now it seems like we’re defining what makes a “news” organization, versus what makes a news organization “mainstream media.”
I agree, we’re talking in circles… which is why I started this debate, by saying how much I hate this debate. IMO, MSM are the traditional outlets, that have a longevity and history that dates back to my parent’s generation. New things like cable news, and websites will never be MSM. We can argue whether the semantics should be “traditional” media, instead of “mainstream,” but where does that get us?
I think the folks on the left need to realize what the folks on the right mean, when they say MSM… instead of arguing over whether it’s the correct term or not. That’s just playing the politics of distraction, rather than having a serious discussion.