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“Justice, in the sense of a deliberate, lawful judgment consistent with the facts, was never the driving passion of the Zimmerman-haters. They wanted a racial morality play. If Trayvon Martin had been shot by another black person, no one would have cared. Al Sharpton wouldn’t have made him a cause. Lawrence O’Donnell wouldn’t have batted an eyelash. No one outside his immediate family and friends would have ever known his name.
Trayvon Martin’s shooting was an ideologically useful tragedy, and so the vultures did their worst.”
Rich Lowry is intelligent, and manages to make his points without personal attacks and general stupidity. He also acknowledges that Zimmerman shouldn’t have gotten out of the car. So there’s that.
Prosecutor Richard Mantei argued that instructions for third-degree murder should be included on the premise that Zimmerman committed child abuse when he fatally shot 17-year-old Trayvon Martin because Martin was underage.
But defense attorney Don West called the proposed instruction “a trick,” and he accused the prosecutor of springing it on the defense at the last minute.
“Just when I didn’t think this case could get any more bizarre, the state is alleging child abuse?” West said. “This is outrageous. It’s outrageous the state would seek to do this at this time.”
Judge Debra Nelson says she will rule on the proposal later. The judge, however, agreed with the prosecution that jurors could consider manslaughter as a lesser charge.
West said he wanted the six jurors to only consider the second-degree murder charge or not guilty.
“The state has charged him with second degree murder. They should be required to prove it,” West said. “If they had wanted to charge him with manslaughter … they could do that.”
HELL, accuse Zimmerman of disturbing the peace, spitting blood on the sidewalk … anything to send the justice-for-Trayvon crowd to bed happy.
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Wednesday was Elisabeth Hasselbeck’s last day on The View. Later this year, she will join Fox News as the co-host of Fox & Friends, replacing Gretchen Carlson, who is departing for her own afternoon program. To open Wednesday morning’s program, Hasselbeck walked out arm in arm with host Barbara Walters.
“When the national controversy over Martin’s killing first erupted, I thought it was wrong that Zimmerman wasn’t charged. I still think it was foolhardy of Zimmerman to get out of his car and trail Martin and that if he had had the sense to leave the matter at his call to the police, a tragedy could have been avoided.”
Many people on both sides wanted a morality tale. Still do. A racial morality tale on the part of many liberals and a “innocent defender of his community” tale by many conservatives.
I don’t understand the Zimmerman defenders who have no problems at all with him getting out of the vehicle and following (as he admitted) Martin. That was dumb. Reckless. Stupid. Dangerous.
As I said while posing an alternative ending: if Zimmerman had been killed away by a real criminal armed with a gun, we’d all say: “Gee, that was awful but why did he get out of the truck? You’re supposed to wait for the police.”
Apparently yesterday and today CNN needs Wolf Blizter on 9am-11am anchoring trial coverage. It’s mostly Ashleigh Banfield on from 11am to 4pm though Brianna Keilar said she is anchoring 2pm-4pm subbing for Brooke.
CNN should cover other news during the court recess since HLN is already non stop Zimmerman Trial.
At least FNC is covering other news and MSNBC is covering other topics during the court recess.
“He only said the things that obsessive Zimmerman defenders agree with.”
That’s cute. But, I’m not an “obsessive Zimmerman defender”. I’m a defender of the law and the facts of the case. Which is why I repeatedly said I didn’t know what the heck happened prior to the start of the trial.
Next time I’ll post the entire 500 word essay so nothing is left out.
“I don’t understand the Zimmerman defenders who have no problems at all with him getting out of the vehicle and following (as he admitted) Martin. That was dumb. Reckless. Stupid. Dangerous.”
In hindsight, it may appear “dumb, reckless, stupid & dangerous”. But, getting out of your car, in your neighborhood, walking down the sidewalk to try and see where someone you deem suspicious is hardly any of those adjectives. But, when doing that leads to somebody coming up to you and punching you in the face, the armchair QB’s come out in full force. Going off of Zimmerman’s account, he was hardly looking for a confrontation.
Rich Lowry:
“I still think it was foolhardy of Zimmerman to get out of his car and trail Martin and that if he had had the sense to leave the matter at his call to the police, a tragedy could have been avoided.”
You guys need to run Lowry out of your little conclave. He’s clearly a heretic for holding such views.
There’s a difference between the right to do something and the right thing to do. Lowry understands this distinction it even if his fans don’t.
So now the state wants to throw in everything but the kitchen sink with which the jury can find GZ guilty. The state charged him with 2nd degree murder. It should be able to prove that and only that. If it can’t, then the state should never have charged him with 2nd degree murder in the first place.
I don’t understand the Zimmerman defenders who have no problems at all with him getting out of the vehicle and following (as he admitted) Martin. That was dumb. Reckless. Stupid. Dangerous.
And, if you go to the Clinton school of word parsing, instructed to by the 911 operator. (“Just let me know if he does anything, ok?”)
CNN: Judge rules against prosecution request that third-degree murder should be included on the premise that Zimmerman committed child abuse when he fatally shot 17-year-old Trayvon Martin because Martin was underage.
“^^But the jury is not in the room so I don’t see how they could be influenced by it.”
True. I meant attempting to get the judge to allow it as a lesser. If she allowed it, then the jury would have to judge whether Zimmerman is a “child abuser”.
Carol, the prosecution has to present alternate theories. Zimmerman has presented his theory, and Trayvon can’t. If they don’t offer up other ways this could have reasonably gone, then they’re essentially agreeing with Zim’s story.
He’s creating alternate theories by exposing Zimmerman’s lies. Smart move. Up until now, the only theory that’s been presented is that Zimmerman’s story is the absolute 100% truth.
The prosecution is not supposed to present “alternate theories.” They are supposed to stick to the facts and evidence at hand, not play “what if?” games.
Smart move? One sure to result in an overturned guilty verdict due to prosecutorial misconduct. Not exactly smart.
Oh please, Nixon. Defense has had plenty of time to present their version of events, while prosecution has been relatively lousy about theirs up to this point. It’s a circumstantial case; they have a right to present an alternate circumstance which contradicts the glaring holes in Zimmerman’s story.
According to what I’ve read on legal sites, the purpose of the prosecution’s closing argument is to sum up and comment on the evidence in the most favorable light for its side, showing how it proved what it had to prove to prevail in the case, not present alternate theories about what may have happened. The prosecution obviously doesn’t have much confidence in its own evidence.
The prosecution is defending someone who can’t tell his story. There are no witnesses to how the fight started. They’re dealing with the evidence they have, and there isn’t much. If they don’t present the idea that Zimmerman’s story doesn’t make sense, they have no business being in that court.
FNC stayed with the trial. Eric Bolling is subbing for Neil and taking to 3 legal guests about the trial.
I’m sure after this segment they take a break and go back to politics.
Nixon is right: We don’t send people to jail based on theories or hypotheticals or “what ifs”. We send them based on facts and evidence and the law.
The state has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the facts and evidence prove that Zimmerman broke the law. Not maybe broke the law. Not perhaps he did “A” or “B”. But did it.
Look, I don’t like the guy much at all. He’s clearly lying about a number of things. But the prosecution can’t offer up possibilities as to what happened. They have to show beyond a reasonable doubt WHAT happened.
If all they have to offer is a series of theories then they have no case.
They had the first week to offer their case and rebut what Zimmerman claimed happened. To argue they had no chance is simply not true.
I actually didn’t see much “alternate theory” presented, which is what Carol was commenting on. Most of what I saw was state throwing doubt on Zimmerman’s.
Btw, some have mentioned that Lisa Bloom “gave up” and started agreeing with MSNBC folks who think Zim is guilty. This is not correct. She has been all over the map from hour-to-hour about who is doing a better job, which seems an honest assessment. She’s been especially brutal towards prosecution this week.
Joe, just because YOU think something ought to be so, doesn’t make it so. They aren’t allowed to simply make stuff up to get a conviction. Which exactly is what presenting “alternative theories” is.
Guilfoyle on The Five is complaining about the terrorist’s “fan club” outside the courthouse, and wondering how people can do that. So, ., after the break, they’re going to interview some of them. Gosh, ya think maybe people come out in public to do stupid ass things because there’s a possibility that some idiotic reporter might put them on TV? Or is that just crazy talk?
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“Because of the way Florida law imposes longer sentences for crimes committed with a gun, manslaughter could end up carrying a penalty as heavy as the one for second-degree murder: life in prison.”
HA! Chuck Schumer says that Immigration Reform is nothing like the President’s healthcare bill, because it’s “just what the people want”. Yeah Sport, you got it.
Lisa Bloom’s not happy with the prosecution at all. She thinks they wasted too much time raising doubts, and not enough stating “this is what we think happened”. Everybody confused enough yet?
Laura, sometimes those writing the laws do odd things for odd reasons. Perhaps a deal loosening gun laws if making use of one in a crime deserve a special penalty?
Eric Bolling was in for Cavuto on “Your World”.
On the taped Cavuto on FBN Neil is hosting.
I guess Cavuto did want not cover the Zimmerman Trial today.
It makes me wonder why they did not just have Shep stay on to 5pm?
Greta thinks the defense has been doing very well until today because of the manslaughter charges being included by the judge. She thinks that the jury may want to throw something to the defense and to the prosecution by voting guilty on manslaughter. The jury has no idea what the penalty is for manslaughter and won’t be told before deliberations.
I know what I hear on Twitter, which is a constant barrage of “when are they gonna ditch that damn liberal”. There’s no way they’re dropping Cavuto for another hour of Shepard.
I think Greta’s right, Carol. In my opinion the jury will be inclined to feel – as I do – that Murder 2 is a bit much, but Zimmerman should do some time for his actions leading to the death of an unarmed 17-year-old.
Great, so the jury probably thinks manslaughter is a Laura-like max of 15 years which might end up being five with good behavior … or whatever they recall from Law and Order episodes. That’s justice?
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Have you even been watching her, Joe? She walked out of the courtroom during an objection. No judicial temperament at all. Off course, in the world of people like Joe, childish is a virtue, not a vice.
Funny how FNC who complained about other channels covering the Zimmerman Trial to much is also turning it into an event.
This is after they brought The Hack Howard Kurtz on Special Report to praise his new bosses for not overcovering it like those bad terrible other people are (yes, I predicted this would happen).
All I know is that in the last couple weeks, I’ve been forced to watch America Live, because that was the only way to even briefly avoid the trial. If he’s praising Fox for not also turning themselves into HLN, well okay then.
I do agree that overall FNC did give the trial less coverage but for the last 3 days between 9am and 3pm they did as much overage as the other cable news channels.
Meanwhile, in the news, it now looks like the remnants of Tropical Storm Chantal are going to move up the coast towards Virginia. Expecting over three inches of rain in Roanoke now. This could easily end up being a mega-disaster. That rain has nowhere to go.
Damn Android keyboard autocorrect. I didn’t catch the change. It should have said “I’ll get to Guttfeld calling me out and my blown call tonight when I have time to write”
CNN’s rising popularity is sad, actually. It shows that you can’t do news coverage anymore and that the only way to get ratings is to sensationalize the news and cover trials endlessly.
-Judge allows jury to consider lessor charges-
Apparently this is fairly routine practice in Florida criminal proceedings. Of course the prosecution wants that option open for the jury and of course the defence doesn’t. Constitutionally, this is one trial and the defendant has not yet been acquitted, so the state is not taking a second bite out of the same apple. Besides, it’s usually a good thing when a jury has options other than acquittal in order to overrule an overzealous prosecution. They’ll be given a list of sentencing ranges for each charge considered.
-Spud vs. The Little Guy With A Man’s Head-
Just say, “I didn’t realise that Greg Gutfeld possessed the raw strength necessary to carry his co-hosts all the way to success.” Maybe you’ll become a new feature on Red Eye‘s “Robot Theatre.” Hope you like lotion.
“Rendering a verdict with no idea of the punishment seems wrong to me. In the abstract I suppose it’s okay, but I’d want to know.”
^^ Not allowing for any judicial discretion in the punishment phase of a trial is a big mistake IMHO. Not all crimes or criminals are the same.
It’s the reason maximum/minimum sentencing has been such a huge disaster for everyone but the prison industry; whose lobbyists were the main reason they were implemented in the first place.
FNC did a quick FOX News Alert on the train derailment in France then back to trial coverage.
I don’t believe CNN or MSNBC have mentioned it.
CNBC and FBN are covering the fire on a Boeing 787 in London.
Mr. Guy told the jury to use their hearts. In other words, check your intelligence and reasoning at the front door.
Yeah, if they use their reasoning, they’ll realize the kid was trying to get some Skittles to his 12-year-old nephew in time for the All Star Game to start. Unfortunately he was being tracked by a sociopath with a gun. FACT. I’m surprised at you, Carol.
I guess I don’t see it that way, Joe. In any event, the prosecution should not tell a jury to use their hearts. That’s a prosecution that did not prove its case and has to appeal to emotion.
Looks like you’re right about that. Thing is, I remember reading a tidbit about the Casey Anthony jury asking for and receiving clarifications about it.
— “so the jury probably thinks manslaughter is a Laura-like max of 15 years which might end up being five with good behavior … or whatever they recall from Law and Order episodes. That’s justice?” —
Actually, I suppose it is. It’s the jury’s job to decide if and what the defendant is guilty of, not what the sentence should be. Lacking mandatories, that’s what judge’s do. As far as a gun carrying a greater sentence than, say, a knife, that also makes sense. It’s much easier to kill someone with a gun, accidentally or with malice, and the law takes that into account. It also goes to Joe’s point about how, lacking a gun, this ends much differently.
Yeah, if they use their reasoning, they’ll realize the kid was trying to get some Skittles to his 12-year-old nephew in time for the All Star Game to start. Unfortunately he was being tracked by a sociopath with a gun. FACT. I’m surprised at you, Carol.
No, Joe, it’s not a “FACT.” It’s another example of crap Joe comes up with.
If you carry a gun, you carry greater responsibility. You don’t just get your Concealed Carry, but then get five years for a “Whoops”. It shouldn’t, and hopefully doesn’t work that way.
Laura, this wasn’t a “Whoops.” Zimmerman was getting the crap beaten out of him. Took a lot of damage before shooting his assailant. Deadly force was used as a last resort. In fact, had the shot not been fatal, by law, Martin would’ve, at the very least, faced aggravated assault charges.
Since no one seems to get this, I’m not expressing an opinion on the case or an expected outcome. Never have. Not particularly following it. Repeat yourselves all day long, I don’t care.
I’m doubting that this really happened, but one can only hope.
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ROSEN WIN: “Federal prosecutors can no longer obtain search warrants for information obtained by journalists unless reporters are the subject of a criminal investigation, a Justice Department official said Friday.”
Stay in your truck and wait for the cops. If you think “the suspect” is to dangerous to follow without a gun, don’t follow him. Oh right, he was looking for a street name. Yeah.
Yes, they also have identifiable badges, and the training to back them up. If Zim had held his attitude in check, the cops would’ve eventually driven away wondering what the hell they were bothering some kid in the rain for.
You always hope the jury is observant and bright eyed. I was in Bardstown Kentucky once for a nephew’s attempted murder trial. During a recess, I went into a courthouse hallway to have a smoke. The jury was there having a bit of a pow-wow on whether they wanted to stay late or or continue on Saturday. One of them pointed at me and said, “that man hasn’t voted”. I told them I wasn’t on the jury, but was the defendant’s uncle.
There are already protestors gathering outside the courthouse in Florida. Someone on The Five asked Greta if she thinks the jurors can hear them and Greta said probably not.
Greta also said the atmosphere outside the courthouse is very “uncomfortable.”
Yes, another round of “the black people are gonna get violent” is just what this story needs. This supposition is how Trayvon got targeted in the first place. Fox News is ginning up racial fear, and should stfu.
I used to know people who, with a straight face, would compare the “human cells” of one to the other. They would also talk about Satan and Wiccan crap to upset the religious people. That fringe seems to have grown, perhaps because the press doesn’t exactly call them on it.
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Seriously, people crapped in 18 jars and tried to bring it into the Texas galleries during the abortion debate.
Yes, another round of “the black people are gonna get violent” is just what this story needs. This supposition is how Trayvon got targeted in the first place. Fox News is ginning up racial fear, and should stfu.
Joe, are you this big of a fool, or are simply trying to agitate?
How many segments has FNC run about “possible riots”? They want it to happen.
The KTVU thing actually happened:
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Sorry, moral high ground here..no shutting up. I don’t think it was “God’s plan” that an unarmed 17-year-old boy ended up dead facedown in the wet grass; I don’t think it’s ok that the shooter showed no concern for Trayvon’s well-being after he shot him; I don’t think it’s ok that Zimmerman has expressed no regrets since; and I don’t think conservative media should be jonesing for riots.
Perhaps Joe can tell ups how Progressive pooping protesters process the poop? Do they each have their own jar to poop in or a community poop pot to collect after a communal squat and a captan to fill the jars?
You are nowhere close to having the “moral high ground.” And the only people “jonesing for riots” are the crazies on the Left. Take Larry’s advice and STFU, or GFY. Doesn’t matter to me.
I don’t think it’s ok that Zimmerman has expressed no regrets since
And if he had? I’ll bet you a whole tornado full of sharks that would have been used against him at the trial. As long as Zimmerman remains in legal jeopardy, his attorney is (rightly) going to tell him to shut up and not express even a hint of contrition.
Wrong gain, Farris. “I had to shoot him, and I feel bad about it” is a reasonable reaction to having to use a gun in self-defense. Most cops will tell you that. George Zimmerman has consistently shown a shocking, sociopathic disconnect from the consequences of taking a life. There’s something bad wrong in that guy’s head.
Couldn’t rebut my argument, huh? No sane person forced to kill a 17-year-old boy in self-defense has “no regrets”, and thinks it’s “God’s plan”.
George Zimmerman may get off because of crap law and no witnesses, but that boy is dead because someone not mentally qualified to handle a gun had one.
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When you have lost the argument this is the kind of stuff crazies do!
My nephew was seventeen at the time he wrestled a sidearm away from of a Kentucky State Patrolman and was charged with his attempted murder. I thought of him as a boy, but the justice system chose to treat his impulse as that of an adult.
There were circumstances. He gave the gun back after getting the policeman to promise not to kill him, but they threw the book at him and was facing 30 years. Took a plea bargain for five and served three. They pretty much kept him out of the general population. I sent him cartons of cigarettes which he used as barter.
Yeah, some unidentified crazy guy with a gun tracking a kid through the neighborhood is exactly the same as a kid trying to disarm a police officer. That’s brilliant.
HLN is the most embarrassing with the giant all caps text “JURY DELIBERATION CLOCK” & “ZIMMERMAN VERDICT WATCH” at the bottom of the screen with a clock on the bottom right.
I liked the Hannity show. There were 4 guests and everyone in the audience was either a defense lawyer or prosecutor (plus Dr. Baden and Bo Dietl and a couple of media people). Yes, there was lots of talking over one another, but everyone got to speak his/her mind.
I didn’t have a chance to catch the KTVU thing earlier today so didn’t know what the hub-bub was about. Just now saw the video. “Captain Sum Ting Wong”… HAHAHAHAHA!
I can easily imagine the NTSB summer intern rolling his/her eyes after a reporter, who’s calling for confirmation, reads off the names. “Oh sure, I can confirm that!” –click– “What a moron!”
^ Everybody screws up really bad once in a while. My guess is that no one actually read the words aloud until the anchor did off the teleprompter. She comes off looking like she’d read anything that was on it. And the prankster wouldn’t have read those names straight out, either….something like, “The captain’s name is spelled w-o-n-g, first name is s-o-m-t-i-n-g…. “
While I’m not following the Zimmerman trial closely, it’s a great example that shows FNC is a breath of fresh air sometimes. The non-existent racism aspect is constantly being pushed by the non-US media outlets I follow or watch. There is a stark contrast in coverage between them. I likely would have believed Zimmerman killed Martin because he was black.
I discovered by accident a few years back the amount of important details that are omitted in the coverage of US political news/issue by these non-US outlets. Since a lot of US stories make it onto the international airwaves due to its superpower status and in my case, geography, I watch quite a bit of FNC and some CNN just to make sure I have the full story and not just the fragments that are part of whatever agenda they’re trying to push.
^ I opined on an earlier thread that I thought the news media of various countries all have great difficulty interpreting stories outside of their own perspective. It is not surprising that foreign coverage would presume there to be a thick racial aspect. America’s struggle with race runs so deep it’s even written into our constitution, so from the outside it’s hard not to think it’s always front and centre.
I agree with that, Al. I see that even between national and local coverage of the same story here and likely in America too.
In addition to that, I believe the coverage by US media plays a role. Foreign perspectives are likely shaped by the perspectives of social, political, news ‘elites’, ‘favourites’, and those who are ‘highly-respected’.
It also doesn’t seem like a lot of non-US orgs do a lot of ‘original’ work on US news and rely heavily on US networks through content sharing.
I can’t comment on anything other than Canadian media, BBC, AJE. From what I’ve seen, especially for Canadian media, is that they just take videos and packages from the Big Three, AP, CNN and cover a story based what is supplied. FNC is avoided. They rarely send reporters to the field, the reporters stay in DC and file packages from DC. If I can recall correctly, I sometimes find parallels in some of the packages. Very noticeable when the Canadian-produced package is aired only on one newscast (ex. 6pm) and a Big Three package only on another newscast (11pm) on the same Canadian channel.
By parallels, I mean the story progresses the same way and even have the same expert interviews! It seems like it’s pretty much taking the script from the Big Three, re-word it, and sometimes try to make it relevant to their audience.
^ I’ve noticed that watching CBC, too. My take on it has been that the Canadian journos doing the US coverage live in the same New York or DC “bubble” as do their American colleagues. While certainly a different country with a culture all its own, we still sort of have to admit that Canada is no more “foreign” to the US than are our individual states and provinces to each other.
Nancy Grace’s show tonight is a complete embarrassment to HLN. She interrupts the guests and tells them they are talking to much.
She can insult the guests all the time and if they respond back with an insult she tells her producer to cut their mic.
Are the ratings really worth her unprofessional behavior?
The NYT short take on show returning Sunday for season two:
“The Newsroom” is still righteous and romantic, but its second season has a story line about a libel suit that pulls viewers past the rocks and eddies of liberal piety.
RE NewsRoom: it looks like the season arc has something to do with Jeff Daniels calling the Tea Party ‘the American Taliban’ and suffering blowback because, of course, that type of thing is out of line.
… I guess they must have wrote all the scripts before the whole IRS thing came out and prove it was the Tea Party themselves, and not their outspoken critics, who were subject to extraordinary scrutiny. Oops!
He knows that there’s a pretty decent shot at Republicans taking back the Senate in ’14 and were they to change filibuster rules, he knows McConnell would ram it back down his throat in 18 months.
Which is why Republicans threatened but never did so when they were in charge to push a couple of Bush’s judges through to nomination. Will remove the minority influence forever and make the Senate pretty much like the House.
Nancy Grace’s show tonight is a complete embarrassment to HLN. She interrupts the guests and tells them they are talking to much.
She can insult the guests all the time and if they respond back with an insult she tells her producer to cut their mic.
Are the ratings really worth her unprofessional behavior?
She was <em.fired as a prosecutor for misconduct and gave up her law license at the request of the GA Supreme Court due to her amazing rate of convictions overturned due to prosecutorial misconduct. In other words, she was worse than most of those she railroaded.
MSNBC, CNN, and even FOX are all about THE trial. I’ve never seen anything like this before in my life (and I’m not young). As many legal scholars have stated, this case is exactly like many, many others in this country, so why all the coverage? There was even a case, also in Florida, where a black man, Trevor Dooley, shot and killed an unarmed white man, David James, during a struggle, in front of James’ 8-year-old daughter. Mr. Dooley claimed self-defense and was not arrested for several months. I don’t know if he was acquitted at his trial. I guess the media didn’t find the Dooley/James case interesting enough to mention. (I learned about this case from radio host David Webb on last night’s Hannity.)
“Yeah, if they use their reasoning, they’ll realize the kid was trying to get some Skittles to his 12-year-old nephew in time for the All Star Game to start. Unfortunately he was being tracked by a sociopath with a gun. FACT. I’m surprised at you, Carol.” – Joe
I guess it bothers me that you are surprised at me. I think you really mean disappointed in me. I was a juror on a criminal defense case many, many years ago. I honestly don’t remember if the defendant was charged with attempted murder or a lesser charge. All of us (12 jurors) believed that the defendant was guilty. That was using our common sense and our hearts. But our intellect and reasoning told us that the prosecution did a very poor job of proving its case beyond a reasonable doubt. We didn’t rush through deliberations. In the end we believed we had no choice but to acquit. We thought this man WAS guilty, but it wasn’t proven beyond a reasonable doubt. This could happen in GZ’s case.
Mr. Guy told the jury to use their hearts. In other words, check your intelligence and reasoning at the front door.
That sounds to me (I may be wrong) that you think “intelligence and reasoning” acquits Zimmerman, which I find insane. My reasoning tells me the pissed off guy stomping around the neighborhood with a gun confronted and killed a 17-year-old kid walking home from the store. Zimmerman’s story is ridiculous, and I’m surprised you buy it.
My reasoning is logical: Martin was walking. Zimmerman was the one who decided this was a problem. Zimmerman was the man with the gun who got pissed off, got out of his truck, found Martin, got into a fight, and killed him.
The Zimmerman supporters want you to believe the passive and aggressive switched sides halfway through the event, and the guy who started this whole mess was the victim. Not plausible. The pissed off dude who started it is the guilty party.
Yes you are, Joe. Constantly, with the maturity of someone in their early teens. Look at other people’s opinions once in a while. You might actually learn something.
And for the rest of the board members – I apologize for letting myself get drawn into these p*ssing contests with Joe. You’d think that I would’ve learned by now how futile it is.
“Other people’s opinions” are wrong. The right has sided with the shooter for political reasons, at direct odds with the evidence at hand. You’ve convicted a dead kid of getting himself murdered. Because he’s black. It’s obscene, and every one of you who support this ridiculous theory should be ashamed of yourselves.
That pig O’Mara actually showed the jury a photo of a shirtless Trayvon Martin looking tough to prove what a “scary black guy” he was. That’s one of the most disgusting displays I’ve ever seen. You wanna give me some BS about this case not being about race? Zimmerman’s attorney specifically made it so yesterday. That made me physically ill. It’s not Trayvon’s fault he’s dead.
The way I see it. Seventeen year old cultivating a tough guy reputation isn’t in the best of moods after getting tossed of of school for fighting. Gets high on pot and picks up some candy on the way to one of his homes to satisfy an induced craving. Calls girlfriend to lets her know some creep is gawking at him and is pissed. As he is the much bigger of the two, figures he can take the cracker, doubles back and sucker-punches Zimmerman who is getting his location bearings. Takes Zimm to the ground and beats on him MMA style. Bleeding Zimm screams in terror for his life, removes his gun, and shoots his attacker.
Joe you really are ridiculous. That picture was presented so the jurors could compare what Trayvon’s body looked like before he died versus the autopsy photo where of course his body was drained of most bodily fluids.
If you have ever seen a body after an autopsy you know the body does not look like it did when the person was living.
I haven’t weighed in on much of what you’re posting here but this comment really shows how pathetic your comments truly are. You ought to be ashamed of yourself. Is your life really going to be any different based on the verdict here?
IMO our country will be fu**ed no matter what the verdict will be.
Outside lawyers with no connection to the case said the jury’s question could be an indication that it has taken second-degree murder off the table.
“It does sound like at this point, they’re considering between manslaughter and not guilty,” said Blaine McChesney, an Orlando defense attorney and former prosecutor with no connection to the case.
I thought Martin has MJ in his blood? If not, explains why not mellow.
Joe has his idea of what happend and has great sympathy for Trayvon. I have my idea, and little sympathy other than sorry he’s dead.
Random rant Video clips on the internet in 1999 had better image quality than SPEED’s standard definition feed. I don’t understand how NBCSN, MSNBC and ESPN can all have quality standard definition feeds but FOX Sports anything is completely unwatchable in SD.
Joe, I appreciate your point of view. Many people I know share it. But I have a different point of view. I find GZ’s story believable. Am I sure it’s true? No. But I have enough reasonable doubt about the state’s case that I wouldn’t be surprised if the jury also has the same reasonable doubt. But I wouldn’t bet on anything a jury may decide. I was 100% sure OJ would be convicted.
If I start a fight with a person over a parking place, i.e., something us brilliant men are known to do, and the other person is beating me senseless, I have the right to use force to stop him. Even deadly force.
If I kill him to prevent my death/grave injury it’s justifiable or excusable homicide.
As I understand it. We’re all experts on whatever topic is garnering the most attention.
“A killing that is excusable or was committed by the use of justifiable deadly force is lawful. If you find Trayvon Martin was killed by George Zimmerman, you will then consider the circumstances surrounding the killing in deciding if the killing was Murder in the Second Degree or was Manslaughter, or whether the killing was excusable or resulted from justifiable use of deadly force.”
In other words EVEN IF Zimmerman started the fight, his use of deadly force could be justified or excusable if he believed he was going to suffer grave or deadly injuries.
If the jury has dismissed the second degree charge, this is what they’ll consider. Was the force either in self defense or was it justifiable or excusable.
Carol, I think GZ’s story is absurd, but I respect your right to disagree.
Eric, this is where my certainty on a moral level conflicts with the possible legal outs Zimmerman has here. I don’t agree that you should be able to shoot a person in a fist-fight you started. I also don’t think you should be able to wander the neighborhood with a gun on you. As I’ve said many times, my feelings about this case on a right/wrong moral level may conflict with the laws in that state.
Regardless, GZ’s self-defense story is laughable. I don’t believe his gun was concealed, then found by Trayvon; I don’t believe Trayvon was beating him senseless while GZ screamed for help; I don’t believe the only way out was to magically get to that gun and shoot the boy. That’s Trayvon Martin on the tape screaming for mercy, and George Zimmerman didn’t give him any. He’s nuts, and he belongs in jail.
“To prove the crime of Manslaughter, the State must prove the following two elements beyond a reasonable doubt:
1. Trayvon Martin is dead.
2. George Zimmerman intentionally committed an act or acts that caused the death of Trayvon Martin.
George Zimmerman cannot be guilty of manslaughter by committing a merely negligent act or if the killing was either justifiable or excusable homicide.”
Negligence isn’t sufficient. If the homicide was justifiable or excusable then Zimmerman is not guilty of manslaughter.
“Eric, this is where my certainty on a moral level conflicts with the possible legal outs Zimmerman has here. I don’t agree that you should be able to shoot a person in a fist-fight you started. ”
Well, from the instructions to the jury it appears in Florida that who starts the fight doesn’t matter. If the person believes he is going to suffer grave or deadly injury, he can use deadly force to stop that from happening. It’s a justifiable or excusable homicide.
EVEN IF he started the fight.
I believe the requirement – or one of them – is that the instigator has to be retreating or not continuing the fight.
This is why the cries of “Help me” are so important. If the jury believes they were Zimmerman’s and he appeared to be defenseless or in grave danger, then the use of deadly force is justified.
My guess is that the jury will be struggling over this. They’ve dismissed second degree rather quickly and are now considering whether Zimmerman’s use of deadly force was justified. Not the self defense argument.
This is why the cries of “Help me” are so important. If the jury believes they were Zimmerman’s and he appeared to be defenseless or in grave danger, then the use of deadly force is justified.
And if this is where we’re at, Zimmerman probably skates. What I hear on the tape is someone begging for mercy, and that sound is stopped by a bullet: A “crime of passion” “I’ve had it with you” act like you find in many domestic violence cases. The jury is going to have a hard time sorting that at.
“Pam, you’re oblivious to reality and common sense, as usual.”
Now I am pissed off, joe dear. I saw that showing of the picture live because I was in a waiting room while my husband was having an MRI to see if the cancer he had has made a re-ocurrance.
Please tell me where I am divorced from common sense and reality. Have you ever had to identify a body in a morgue? Do you know what a body looks like after an autopsy and before the funeral home does what it all does to prepare for a funeral?
Please explain, oh insightful one, where I am wrong and you are right!
Guess if you are with the NAACP you don’t dare have a contrary opinion. Please resign now – you’re just too young to understand the whole racial thing that is going on!
Joe’s moral certitude means nothing to the law, and nothing to me either other than he gets an opinion. He can strut and huff and puff all he wants if it makes him feel good. His choice of stories to believe are also no better than mine, no matter how often he repeats himself. I get an opinion too.
Pam, I explained what I thought O’Mara was trying to do with that stunt, but under the circumstances of what you’re dealing with at home, I shall disengage. I hope your husband is ok.
joe: you don’t need to disengage just know that the context you may have been presented with for that picture was not the truth as to why the picture was presented.
As far as my husband, we are keeping our fingers crossed for positive news next week.
Pam, I hope that it turns out that your husband’s cancer hasn’t returned. As for Joe, ignore him. He craves the attention of people wanting to argue with him.
Sanctions AFTER the trial? Where did she go to law school? The University of Phoenix?
A Jeb Bush appointee, she went to school at University of South Florida and South Texas College of Law. South Texas is one of the top ranked legal schools in the country. #TheMoreYouKnow
Jeb Bush appointed a lot of real prizes. That family has a real knack for things like that.
Andy, that still doesn’t explain that boneheaded ruling. What possible remedy would correct the state not turning evidence over to the defense in a timely manner as required by law after the trial is over?
I think we’re going to find that they were in agreement almost right away, then worked back from there to try to talk themselves into changing their minds.
After George Zimmerman was found not guilty of all charges on Saturday evening, New York Giants wide receiver Victor Cruz sent a threatening tweet that has since been deleted from his account.
He tweeted, “Thoroughly confused. Zimmerman doesn’t last a year before the hood catches up to him.”
^ And it has the bonus effect of really pissing off conservatives, who have no memory of this magical time when we were okay with abortion, amnesty, g marriage, and tax hikes.
Inside Cable News 
July 11, 2013 at 7:10 am
How is the recovery going, Spud?
July 11, 2013 at 7:43 am
USA TODAY
Manslaughter added to Zimmerman charges.
July 11, 2013 at 7:47 am
The prosecution also sought Child Abuse charges. Because skittles.
July 11, 2013 at 7:53 am
From Rich Lowry:
“Justice, in the sense of a deliberate, lawful judgment consistent with the facts, was never the driving passion of the Zimmerman-haters. They wanted a racial morality play. If Trayvon Martin had been shot by another black person, no one would have cared. Al Sharpton wouldn’t have made him a cause. Lawrence O’Donnell wouldn’t have batted an eyelash. No one outside his immediate family and friends would have ever known his name.
Trayvon Martin’s shooting was an ideologically useful tragedy, and so the vultures did their worst.”
Nail meets head.
July 11, 2013 at 8:37 am
Rich Lowry is not relevant.
July 11, 2013 at 8:43 am
Rich Lowry is intelligent, and manages to make his points without personal attacks and general stupidity. He also acknowledges that Zimmerman shouldn’t have gotten out of the car. So there’s that.
July 11, 2013 at 8:44 am
AP
Prosecutor Richard Mantei argued that instructions for third-degree murder should be included on the premise that Zimmerman committed child abuse when he fatally shot 17-year-old Trayvon Martin because Martin was underage.
But defense attorney Don West called the proposed instruction “a trick,” and he accused the prosecutor of springing it on the defense at the last minute.
“Just when I didn’t think this case could get any more bizarre, the state is alleging child abuse?” West said. “This is outrageous. It’s outrageous the state would seek to do this at this time.”
Judge Debra Nelson says she will rule on the proposal later. The judge, however, agreed with the prosecution that jurors could consider manslaughter as a lesser charge.
West said he wanted the six jurors to only consider the second-degree murder charge or not guilty.
“The state has charged him with second degree murder. They should be required to prove it,” West said. “If they had wanted to charge him with manslaughter … they could do that.”
HELL, accuse Zimmerman of disturbing the peace, spitting blood on the sidewalk … anything to send the justice-for-Trayvon crowd to bed happy.
July 11, 2013 at 8:47 am
GregGutfeld @greggutfeld
2 years ago @insidecablenews said, re #thefive: “FNC is apparently out of new ideas and unsure of a future course of action regarding 5pm.”
Retweeted by johnny dollar
July 11, 2013 at 8:52 am
“Rich Lowry is intelligent, and manages to make his points without personal attacks and general stupidity.”
Squirrel
July 11, 2013 at 9:02 am
(TVNewser)
Wednesday was Elisabeth Hasselbeck’s last day on The View. Later this year, she will join Fox News as the co-host of Fox & Friends, replacing Gretchen Carlson, who is departing for her own afternoon program. To open Wednesday morning’s program, Hasselbeck walked out arm in arm with host Barbara Walters.
July 11, 2013 at 9:07 am
Lonestar, Lowry also said this:
“When the national controversy over Martin’s killing first erupted, I thought it was wrong that Zimmerman wasn’t charged. I still think it was foolhardy of Zimmerman to get out of his car and trail Martin and that if he had had the sense to leave the matter at his call to the police, a tragedy could have been avoided.”
Many people on both sides wanted a morality tale. Still do. A racial morality tale on the part of many liberals and a “innocent defender of his community” tale by many conservatives.
But fables are just that: fables.
July 11, 2013 at 9:10 am
Don’t be silly, Erich. He only said the things that obsessive Zimmerman defenders agree with.
July 11, 2013 at 9:17 am
I don’t understand the Zimmerman defenders who have no problems at all with him getting out of the vehicle and following (as he admitted) Martin. That was dumb. Reckless. Stupid. Dangerous.
As I said while posing an alternative ending: if Zimmerman had been killed away by a real criminal armed with a gun, we’d all say: “Gee, that was awful but why did he get out of the truck? You’re supposed to wait for the police.”
July 11, 2013 at 9:18 am
Apparently yesterday and today CNN needs Wolf Blizter on 9am-11am anchoring trial coverage. It’s mostly Ashleigh Banfield on from 11am to 4pm though Brianna Keilar said she is anchoring 2pm-4pm subbing for Brooke.
CNN should cover other news during the court recess since HLN is already non stop Zimmerman Trial.
At least FNC is covering other news and MSNBC is covering other topics during the court recess.
July 11, 2013 at 9:20 am
^Another Fox apologist.
July 11, 2013 at 9:29 am
CNN figured out there is other news and is doing a segment now.
Once the closing arguments start I’m sure every news channel is going to show them.
July 11, 2013 at 9:57 am
“He only said the things that obsessive Zimmerman defenders agree with.”
That’s cute. But, I’m not an “obsessive Zimmerman defender”. I’m a defender of the law and the facts of the case. Which is why I repeatedly said I didn’t know what the heck happened prior to the start of the trial.
Next time I’ll post the entire 500 word essay so nothing is left out.
“I don’t understand the Zimmerman defenders who have no problems at all with him getting out of the vehicle and following (as he admitted) Martin. That was dumb. Reckless. Stupid. Dangerous.”
In hindsight, it may appear “dumb, reckless, stupid & dangerous”. But, getting out of your car, in your neighborhood, walking down the sidewalk to try and see where someone you deem suspicious is hardly any of those adjectives. But, when doing that leads to somebody coming up to you and punching you in the face, the armchair QB’s come out in full force. Going off of Zimmerman’s account, he was hardly looking for a confrontation.
July 11, 2013 at 10:29 am
and no reason to send him to jail for 30 years just to satisfy outrage.
July 11, 2013 at 10:41 am
Rich Lowry:
“I still think it was foolhardy of Zimmerman to get out of his car and trail Martin and that if he had had the sense to leave the matter at his call to the police, a tragedy could have been avoided.”
You guys need to run Lowry out of your little conclave. He’s clearly a heretic for holding such views.
There’s a difference between the right to do something and the right thing to do. Lowry understands this distinction it even if his fans don’t.
July 11, 2013 at 10:44 am
Any response from ICN to Gutfeld’s tweet? Today is The Five’s 200th show.
July 11, 2013 at 10:47 am
So now the state wants to throw in everything but the kitchen sink with which the jury can find GZ guilty. The state charged him with 2nd degree murder. It should be able to prove that and only that. If it can’t, then the state should never have charged him with 2nd degree murder in the first place.
July 11, 2013 at 10:47 am
Spud did tell them to “break a leg”. “back at ya” says they.
July 11, 2013 at 10:50 am
I don’t understand the Zimmerman defenders who have no problems at all with him getting out of the vehicle and following (as he admitted) Martin. That was dumb. Reckless. Stupid. Dangerous.
And, if you go to the Clinton school of word parsing, instructed to by the 911 operator. (“Just let me know if he does anything, ok?”)
July 11, 2013 at 10:50 am
CNN: Judge rules against prosecution request that third-degree murder should be included on the premise that Zimmerman committed child abuse when he fatally shot 17-year-old Trayvon Martin because Martin was underage.
July 11, 2013 at 10:51 am
Larry, what about the manslaughter charges?
July 11, 2013 at 10:55 am
She ruled that in over defense objection as I understand it.
July 11, 2013 at 10:57 am
“There’s a difference between the right to do something and the right thing to do. Lowry understands this distinction it even if his fans don’t.”
Or, maybe he’s just wrong on that part of it.
July 11, 2013 at 11:06 am
Interesting take on the case by Juan Williams:
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/07/11/white-hispanics-crackers-teenage-mammies-no-winners-in-martin-zimmerman-case/#ixzz2YkqNCKvV
July 11, 2013 at 11:09 am
That child abuse charge by the state was outrageous. What a joke.
They say prosecutors can indict a ham sandwich but this is indicting a chicken salad sandwich. Minus the salad.
Er, there’s something witty in there; figure it out yourselves.
July 11, 2013 at 11:25 am
“That child abuse charge by the state was outrageous. What a joke.”
I think Attorney West is correct that it’s a trick by the prosecution. A trick to get the jury to look at Martin as a child.
July 11, 2013 at 11:26 am
Does the prosecution have the judge on their payroll? Sure seems like it.
July 11, 2013 at 11:30 am
I have a solution. Zimmerman pleads to firing a gun within the city limits. Fined $50 and required to take firearms safety courses.
And the judge removed from the bench and disbarred for being a schmuck on wheels.
July 11, 2013 at 11:30 am
^^But the jury is not in the room so I don’t see how they could be influenced by it.
I’m sure the state will refer to Martin as a “child” during closing statements. If they haven’t already.
July 11, 2013 at 11:38 am
The state came awfully close to implying that GZ should have testified – and no objection by the defense!
July 11, 2013 at 11:46 am
“^^But the jury is not in the room so I don’t see how they could be influenced by it.”
True. I meant attempting to get the judge to allow it as a lesser. If she allowed it, then the jury would have to judge whether Zimmerman is a “child abuser”.
July 11, 2013 at 11:59 am
Is FNC going to show the entire closing statement of the prosecution or stop trial coverage at 4pm if it goes past 4pm?
If the plan is to have no coverage after 4pm it makes me wonder
why they don’t just do regular newscasts with updates on the trial.
July 11, 2013 at 12:14 pm
Because Shep wants to watch the trial.
July 11, 2013 at 12:28 pm
The prosecution is not doing well, IMO. He’s presenting alternate theories. Is he crazy? That just creates more reasonable doubt.
July 11, 2013 at 12:38 pm
Next up, insurance fire! http://www.nationaljournal.com/politics/what-s-behind-msnbc-s-ratings-decline-20130711
July 11, 2013 at 12:42 pm
Carol, the prosecution has to present alternate theories. Zimmerman has presented his theory, and Trayvon can’t. If they don’t offer up other ways this could have reasonably gone, then they’re essentially agreeing with Zim’s story.
July 11, 2013 at 12:44 pm
He’s creating alternate theories by exposing Zimmerman’s lies. Smart move. Up until now, the only theory that’s been presented is that Zimmerman’s story is the absolute 100% truth.
July 11, 2013 at 12:53 pm
The prosecution is not supposed to present “alternate theories.” They are supposed to stick to the facts and evidence at hand, not play “what if?” games.
Smart move? One sure to result in an overturned guilty verdict due to prosecutorial misconduct. Not exactly smart.
July 11, 2013 at 1:07 pm
Oh please, Nixon. Defense has had plenty of time to present their version of events, while prosecution has been relatively lousy about theirs up to this point. It’s a circumstantial case; they have a right to present an alternate circumstance which contradicts the glaring holes in Zimmerman’s story.
July 11, 2013 at 1:11 pm
According to what I’ve read on legal sites, the purpose of the prosecution’s closing argument is to sum up and comment on the evidence in the most favorable light for its side, showing how it proved what it had to prove to prevail in the case, not present alternate theories about what may have happened. The prosecution obviously doesn’t have much confidence in its own evidence.
July 11, 2013 at 1:19 pm
The prosecution is defending someone who can’t tell his story. There are no witnesses to how the fight started. They’re dealing with the evidence they have, and there isn’t much. If they don’t present the idea that Zimmerman’s story doesn’t make sense, they have no business being in that court.
July 11, 2013 at 1:23 pm
FNC stayed with the trial. Eric Bolling is subbing for Neil and taking to 3 legal guests about the trial.
I’m sure after this segment they take a break and go back to politics.
July 11, 2013 at 1:28 pm
Nixon is right: We don’t send people to jail based on theories or hypotheticals or “what ifs”. We send them based on facts and evidence and the law.
The state has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the facts and evidence prove that Zimmerman broke the law. Not maybe broke the law. Not perhaps he did “A” or “B”. But did it.
Look, I don’t like the guy much at all. He’s clearly lying about a number of things. But the prosecution can’t offer up possibilities as to what happened. They have to show beyond a reasonable doubt WHAT happened.
If all they have to offer is a series of theories then they have no case.
They had the first week to offer their case and rebut what Zimmerman claimed happened. To argue they had no chance is simply not true.
July 11, 2013 at 1:34 pm
I actually didn’t see much “alternate theory” presented, which is what Carol was commenting on. Most of what I saw was state throwing doubt on Zimmerman’s.
Btw, some have mentioned that Lisa Bloom “gave up” and started agreeing with MSNBC folks who think Zim is guilty. This is not correct. She has been all over the map from hour-to-hour about who is doing a better job, which seems an honest assessment. She’s been especially brutal towards prosecution this week.
July 11, 2013 at 1:35 pm
Bolling came back after the break with the 3 legal analysts again, showing more video of the prosecution’s closing argument.
July 11, 2013 at 1:35 pm
FNC is doing a second segment on the trial.
July 11, 2013 at 1:36 pm
Joe, just because YOU think something ought to be so, doesn’t make it so. They aren’t allowed to simply make stuff up to get a conviction. Which exactly is what presenting “alternative theories” is.
July 11, 2013 at 1:38 pm
Lis Wiehl was impressed with the prosecution’s closing argument; Michelle Sileo and Elura Nanos weren’t.
July 11, 2013 at 1:45 pm
Bolling is back to business.
July 11, 2013 at 1:51 pm
Is there anything going on in the news besides the Zimmerman trial? Good grief.
July 11, 2013 at 1:56 pm
FNC went back to the trial talking to Greta for the last segment of Your World.
July 11, 2013 at 2:11 pm
“Is there anything going on in the news besides the Zimmerman trial? Good grief.” – Andy
Nothing more important than this trial, according to the media.
July 11, 2013 at 2:19 pm
Guilfoyle on The Five is complaining about the terrorist’s “fan club” outside the courthouse, and wondering how people can do that. So, ., after the break, they’re going to interview some of them. Gosh, ya think maybe people come out in public to do stupid ass things because there’s a possibility that some idiotic reporter might put them on TV? Or is that just crazy talk?
July 11, 2013 at 2:31 pm
That segment on the fans of the terrorists was a waste of time.
Those idiots should not be getting any coverage by any media.
It did remind me of the segment Jimmy Kimmel does where he sends the comedian Jake Byrd dressed as a fan to trials.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=we8CzsOpNzY
July 11, 2013 at 2:31 pm
I’ll get to Guttfeld calling me out and my blown call the night she I have time to write.
July 11, 2013 at 2:32 pm
No… there are some who think bomber boy is cute.
July 11, 2013 at 2:35 pm
“I’ll get to Guttfeld calling me out and my blown call the night she I have time to write.”
taking hat off… scratching head
July 11, 2013 at 2:36 pm
There are some people who believe in leprechauns too.
Let’s not interview them, though.
Sure, leprechauns don’t blow people up but otherwise my analogy is superb.
July 11, 2013 at 2:36 pm
It’s the painkillers I guess.
July 11, 2013 at 2:41 pm
Next up, insurance fire!
Luckily, the right man for the job is on staff.
July 11, 2013 at 2:44 pm
Larry,
apparently spud caught some twitter fire for predicting that “The 5” was not long for the world two years ago.
Bully for them.
July 11, 2013 at 2:47 pm
So is Obama a white black man or a black white man or a dark Caucasian or a European African?
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/07/11/CNN-white-hispanic
July 11, 2013 at 2:51 pm
Spud clearly underestimated the reaction of the average Fox viewer when presented with a Leg Chair.
July 11, 2013 at 2:55 pm
what you looking at, boy?
July 11, 2013 at 2:56 pm
Leprechaun believers have already had their 15 minutes… where the gold at?
m.youtube.com/index?&desktop_uri=%2F
July 11, 2013 at 2:57 pm
Any wagers on whether O’Reilly does a “Why does the left support the Boston bombers” story?
He likes to do half-baked stories like this. Find a group of yahoos and run crazy with them.
July 11, 2013 at 2:59 pm
— painkillers —
Yeah, that stuff kills nothing so much as your editing abilities.
July 11, 2013 at 3:00 pm
All I know is that tiger woods is cablinasian
July 11, 2013 at 3:00 pm
MYWAY
“Because of the way Florida law imposes longer sentences for crimes committed with a gun, manslaughter could end up carrying a penalty as heavy as the one for second-degree murder: life in prison.”
July 11, 2013 at 3:04 pm
Waiting for someone in the media to call President Obama a “white African-American.”
July 11, 2013 at 3:05 pm
Life in prison for manslaughter? Larry, I thought the maximum for manslaughter in this case is 30 years.
July 11, 2013 at 3:06 pm
I thought manslaughter was 15 years, but that was awhile ago.
July 11, 2013 at 3:09 pm
HA! Chuck Schumer says that Immigration Reform is nothing like the President’s healthcare bill, because it’s “just what the people want”. Yeah Sport, you got it.
July 11, 2013 at 3:09 pm
Just quoting from this:
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20130711/DA7FHIEG2.html
July 11, 2013 at 3:12 pm
All those looking for an excuse one time or another, let us bow our heads:
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20130711/DA7FHBJO0.html
July 11, 2013 at 3:14 pm
Ah, with a gun. That would esplain it.
July 11, 2013 at 3:15 pm
Twister with a gun. There’s an idea!
July 11, 2013 at 3:22 pm
RT @mdouglass72:
Nancy Grace: AAAAHHHHH!!!!!
Guest: I was trying to expl
Nancy Grace: AAAAAAAHHH!!
Guest: bu
Nancy Grace: AAAAAAAHHHHH!
July 11, 2013 at 3:27 pm
Somehow, it never occurred to me that manslaughter with a gun would carry a higher sentence than with a knife. You’re just as dead.
July 11, 2013 at 3:28 pm
Lisa Bloom’s not happy with the prosecution at all. She thinks they wasted too much time raising doubts, and not enough stating “this is what we think happened”. Everybody confused enough yet?
July 11, 2013 at 3:28 pm
^Yeah, especially if the gun is legally owned/registered.
Illegal gun? Okay. Legal? I don’t get it.
July 11, 2013 at 3:32 pm
Laura, sometimes those writing the laws do odd things for odd reasons. Perhaps a deal loosening gun laws if making use of one in a crime deserve a special penalty?
July 11, 2013 at 3:43 pm
THESE punks always get away:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/11/us-solyndra-probe-charges-idUSBRE96A12H20130711
July 11, 2013 at 4:15 pm
“Our Nixon” Thursday, August 1st at 9pm on CNN.
http://www.creativeplanetnetwork.com/dv/feature/airs-cnn-august-our-nixon/63162
July 11, 2013 at 4:22 pm
If they have any film of the Nixon people inside a federal prison MSNBC will be glad to show it. Gratis.
Thanks for the setup.
July 11, 2013 at 5:11 pm
Eric Bolling was in for Cavuto on “Your World”.
On the taped Cavuto on FBN Neil is hosting.
I guess Cavuto did want not cover the Zimmerman Trial today.
It makes me wonder why they did not just have Shep stay on to 5pm?
July 11, 2013 at 5:17 pm
^ ‘Cause FNC is lucky to get away with ONE hour of Shep. Their viewers hate him.
July 11, 2013 at 5:57 pm
Shep has been one of FNC’s top 5 shows constantly for years.
Shep’s on for TWO hours a day. But nobody expects Joe to know what the hell he’s talking about anyhow.
We who love FNC love Shep because he’s part of the variety that makes FNC great, unlike that one-note craphole MSNBC.
July 11, 2013 at 6:06 pm
Greta thinks the defense has been doing very well until today because of the manslaughter charges being included by the judge. She thinks that the jury may want to throw something to the defense and to the prosecution by voting guilty on manslaughter. The jury has no idea what the penalty is for manslaughter and won’t be told before deliberations.
July 11, 2013 at 6:06 pm
I know what I hear on Twitter, which is a constant barrage of “when are they gonna ditch that damn liberal”. There’s no way they’re dropping Cavuto for another hour of Shepard.
July 11, 2013 at 6:09 pm
I think Greta’s right, Carol. In my opinion the jury will be inclined to feel – as I do – that Murder 2 is a bit much, but Zimmerman should do some time for his actions leading to the death of an unarmed 17-year-old.
July 11, 2013 at 6:09 pm
In Q2 Shep had #5 program on FNC, which means he had the #5 program on all cable news…
What you hear on twitter is the echo between your ears.
July 11, 2013 at 6:13 pm
Great, so the jury probably thinks manslaughter is a Laura-like max of 15 years which might end up being five with good behavior … or whatever they recall from Law and Order episodes. That’s justice?
July 11, 2013 at 6:22 pm
If you think the judge will interpret a lesser charge from the jury as a call for a massive prison sentence, you ain’t thinkin’ witcha head.
July 11, 2013 at 6:23 pm
Hannity is doing a Zimmerman Trial live audience panel verdict watch show at 9pm Friday.
July 11, 2013 at 6:25 pm
“Our Nixon.” Before clicking on the link, I thought that someone finally figured out who I am.
July 11, 2013 at 6:27 pm
That should be worth avoiding.
July 11, 2013 at 6:28 pm
If you think the judge will interpret a lesser charge from the jury as a call for a massive prison sentence, you ain’t thinkin’ witcha head.
The judge will do what she’s told. She’s been in the bag for the State from the beginning.
July 11, 2013 at 6:29 pm
Yes yes, “in the bag” victim persecution always reigns supreme. It’s foolproof.
July 11, 2013 at 6:32 pm
Things are so poisoned, the verdict will leave the camps as polarized as they were before the trial.
July 11, 2013 at 6:38 pm
^
Have you even been watching her, Joe? She walked out of the courtroom during an objection. No judicial temperament at all. Off course, in the world of people like Joe, childish is a virtue, not a vice.
July 11, 2013 at 6:39 pm
^ Make that – “Of course, in the world of people like Joe, childish is a virtue, not a vice.”
July 11, 2013 at 6:44 pm
The judge and DA are professionals, and know all the games. Try not to panic.
July 11, 2013 at 6:47 pm
Many crooks are professionals. However, you seem like the one most likely to panic or pop an artery.
July 11, 2013 at 6:51 pm
Oh yeah? Well you seem like a big doodyhead!
July 11, 2013 at 6:57 pm
SyFy channel: The Place for Crap Cinema.
Sharknado is awesomely awful.
July 11, 2013 at 7:02 pm
Funny how FNC who complained about other channels covering the Zimmerman Trial to much is also turning it into an event.
July 11, 2013 at 7:03 pm
Bad “B” Scifi never dies. Just moves to different places.
July 11, 2013 at 7:09 pm
“Funny how FNC who complained about other channels covering the Zimmerman Trial to much is also turning it into an event.”
Funny “Ha Ha” or funny “mysterious”?
July 11, 2013 at 7:11 pm
http://video.insider.foxnews.com/v/video-embed.html?video_id=2540615515001
July 11, 2013 at 7:11 pm
Let me know when “Amazon Women on the Moon” is on.
July 11, 2013 at 7:12 pm
Funny how FNC who complained about other channels covering the Zimmerman Trial to much is also turning it into an event.
This is after they brought The Hack Howard Kurtz on Special Report to praise his new bosses for not overcovering it like those bad terrible other people are (yes, I predicted this would happen).
July 11, 2013 at 7:17 pm
JOEZACK THE MAGNIFICENT!
July 11, 2013 at 7:18 pm
I’ve yet to watch one live minute of Zimmerman trial coverage, and feel no ill effects.
July 11, 2013 at 7:22 pm
OTHER JOEZACK PREDICTIONS
Well, there’s Michelle Bachman getting the GOP presidential nomination that we found in a mayonnaise jar buried under Funk & Wagnel’s front porch.
July 11, 2013 at 7:24 pm
All I know is that in the last couple weeks, I’ve been forced to watch America Live, because that was the only way to even briefly avoid the trial. If he’s praising Fox for not also turning themselves into HLN, well okay then.
July 11, 2013 at 7:27 pm
Andy,
is Sharknado as magnifi-awful as advertised?
It seems like the first ever movie designed specifically to break Twitter.
July 11, 2013 at 7:31 pm
Candygraham!
July 11, 2013 at 7:33 pm
I do agree that overall FNC did give the trial less coverage but for the last 3 days between 9am and 3pm they did as much overage as the other cable news channels.
July 11, 2013 at 7:36 pm
“We can’t just wait here and wait for sharks to rain down on us again.” #Sharknado
July 11, 2013 at 7:49 pm
Apparently a small IED device can destroy an EF5 tornado. #Sharknado
July 11, 2013 at 8:00 pm
I don’t know that the difference in coverage was enough for Fox to brag about. It’s too bad that Kurtz had to come out of the gate with that.
July 11, 2013 at 8:01 pm
@gwenifill: It’s Biblical! It’s Jonah! But with sharks.
July 11, 2013 at 8:05 pm
I predict an Oscar! #Sharknado
July 11, 2013 at 8:06 pm
Glad that’s over. Was horrified when the SharkNado attacked the old folks home.
July 11, 2013 at 8:08 pm
We’re gonna need a bigger shark.
July 11, 2013 at 8:08 pm
Meanwhile, in the news, it now looks like the remnants of Tropical Storm Chantal are going to move up the coast towards Virginia. Expecting over three inches of rain in Roanoke now. This could easily end up being a mega-disaster. That rain has nowhere to go.
July 11, 2013 at 8:09 pm
Everyone you ever heard of in cable news from Chuck Todd to Jake Tapper was watching that awesome flick.
July 11, 2013 at 8:10 pm
Sharknados unite us all!
July 11, 2013 at 8:17 pm
Hopefully we don’t get any Sharknados from Tropical Storm Chantal.
July 11, 2013 at 8:27 pm
taking hat off… scratching head
Damn Android keyboard autocorrect. I didn’t catch the change. It should have said “I’ll get to Guttfeld calling me out and my blown call tonight when I have time to write”
July 11, 2013 at 8:40 pm
Just skimmed thru but pretty interesting.
http://mobile.nationaljournal.com/politics/what-s-behind-msnbc-s-ratings-decline-20130711
July 11, 2013 at 8:43 pm
^^ I liked the Android version better.
July 11, 2013 at 8:50 pm
I posted that earlier, Lonestar, suggesting an insurance fire was next. Farris suggested that they have the right man (Ed Schultz) for the job.
July 11, 2013 at 9:23 pm
CNN’s rising popularity is sad, actually. It shows that you can’t do news coverage anymore and that the only way to get ratings is to sensationalize the news and cover trials endlessly.
July 11, 2013 at 9:56 pm
-Judge allows jury to consider lessor charges-
Apparently this is fairly routine practice in Florida criminal proceedings. Of course the prosecution wants that option open for the jury and of course the defence doesn’t. Constitutionally, this is one trial and the defendant has not yet been acquitted, so the state is not taking a second bite out of the same apple. Besides, it’s usually a good thing when a jury has options other than acquittal in order to overrule an overzealous prosecution. They’ll be given a list of sentencing ranges for each charge considered.
-Spud vs. The Little Guy With A Man’s Head-
Just say, “I didn’t realise that Greg Gutfeld possessed the raw strength necessary to carry his co-hosts all the way to success.” Maybe you’ll become a new feature on Red Eye‘s “Robot Theatre.” Hope you like lotion.
July 11, 2013 at 10:55 pm
“Farris suggested that they have the right man (Ed Schultz) for the job.”
LOL.
July 11, 2013 at 10:57 pm
“Of course the prosecution wants that option open for the jury and of course the defence doesn’t.”
I believe that it’s usually the defense that wants these options…not the prosecution.
“They’ll be given a list of sentencing ranges for each charge considered. ”
No. They won’t.
July 12, 2013 at 6:11 am
Rendering a verdict with no idea of the punishment seems wrong to me. In the abstract I suppose it’s okay, but I’d want to know.
July 12, 2013 at 9:21 am
First trial I’ve ever heard where the prosecution has not facts to provide. They solely are playing to emotion. What a farce.
July 12, 2013 at 9:34 am
“Rendering a verdict with no idea of the punishment seems wrong to me. In the abstract I suppose it’s okay, but I’d want to know.”
^^ Not allowing for any judicial discretion in the punishment phase of a trial is a big mistake IMHO. Not all crimes or criminals are the same.
It’s the reason maximum/minimum sentencing has been such a huge disaster for everyone but the prison industry; whose lobbyists were the main reason they were implemented in the first place.
July 12, 2013 at 9:48 am
“First trial I’ve ever heard where the prosecution has not facts to provide. They solely are playing to emotion. What a farce.” – Lonestar
Mr. Guy told the jury to use their hearts. In other words, check your intelligence and reasoning at the front door.
July 12, 2013 at 10:06 am
FNC did a quick FOX News Alert on the train derailment in France then back to trial coverage.
I don’t believe CNN or MSNBC have mentioned it.
CNBC and FBN are covering the fire on a Boeing 787 in London.
July 12, 2013 at 10:32 am
Mr. Guy told the jury to use their hearts. In other words, check your intelligence and reasoning at the front door.
Yeah, if they use their reasoning, they’ll realize the kid was trying to get some Skittles to his 12-year-old nephew in time for the All Star Game to start. Unfortunately he was being tracked by a sociopath with a gun. FACT. I’m surprised at you, Carol.
July 12, 2013 at 10:37 am
I guess I don’t see it that way, Joe. In any event, the prosecution should not tell a jury to use their hearts. That’s a prosecution that did not prove its case and has to appeal to emotion.
July 12, 2013 at 10:57 am
An example of the ‘fake facts’ from Hayes and the MSNBC gang…
http://dailyhowler.blogspot.com/2013/07/can-we-talk-kitty-genvose-died-for.html
July 12, 2013 at 11:31 am
LS: No, they won’t.
Looks like you’re right about that. Thing is, I remember reading a tidbit about the Casey Anthony jury asking for and receiving clarifications about it.
July 12, 2013 at 11:32 am
CNN’s Sonny Hostin is almost as bad as Chris Hayes. CNN should just introduce her as representing the prosecution.
July 12, 2013 at 12:51 pm
Lisa Bloom and Craig Melvin anchoring trial coverage 9pm-11pm on MSNBC.
July 12, 2013 at 12:53 pm
— “so the jury probably thinks manslaughter is a Laura-like max of 15 years which might end up being five with good behavior … or whatever they recall from Law and Order episodes. That’s justice?” —
Actually, I suppose it is. It’s the jury’s job to decide if and what the defendant is guilty of, not what the sentence should be. Lacking mandatories, that’s what judge’s do. As far as a gun carrying a greater sentence than, say, a knife, that also makes sense. It’s much easier to kill someone with a gun, accidentally or with malice, and the law takes that into account. It also goes to Joe’s point about how, lacking a gun, this ends much differently.
July 12, 2013 at 12:57 pm
Yeah, if they use their reasoning, they’ll realize the kid was trying to get some Skittles to his 12-year-old nephew in time for the All Star Game to start. Unfortunately he was being tracked by a sociopath with a gun. FACT. I’m surprised at you, Carol.
No, Joe, it’s not a “FACT.” It’s another example of crap Joe comes up with.
July 12, 2013 at 1:00 pm
“It also goes to Joe’s point about how, lacking a gun, this ends much differently.”
With Trayvon Martin in jail and Zimmerman either recovering from injuries or dead.
July 12, 2013 at 1:01 pm
^ Whatever. I’m talking about the law, not whatever hypotheticals are flying around.
July 12, 2013 at 1:11 pm
If you carry a gun, you carry greater responsibility. You don’t just get your Concealed Carry, but then get five years for a “Whoops”. It shouldn’t, and hopefully doesn’t work that way.
July 12, 2013 at 1:26 pm
Laura, this wasn’t a “Whoops.” Zimmerman was getting the crap beaten out of him. Took a lot of damage before shooting his assailant. Deadly force was used as a last resort. In fact, had the shot not been fatal, by law, Martin would’ve, at the very least, faced aggravated assault charges.
July 12, 2013 at 1:33 pm
Since no one seems to get this, I’m not expressing an opinion on the case or an expected outcome. Never have. Not particularly following it. Repeat yourselves all day long, I don’t care.
July 12, 2013 at 1:45 pm
I’m pretty sure that came out bitchier than usual. Whoops..
July 12, 2013 at 1:46 pm
I understand, Laura. I was simply pointing out of the benefit of some of the others, that had Martin lived, he’d be in a lot of trouble.
July 12, 2013 at 1:59 pm
You’re not a bitch, Laura. Don’t worry about it.
July 12, 2013 at 2:10 pm
I’m doubting that this really happened, but one can only hope.
July 12, 2013 at 2:11 pm
Ooh, moderation fail…
July 12, 2013 at 2:16 pm
Pretty sure the dude didn’t have to spell it out. Funny stuff, though.
July 12, 2013 at 2:21 pm
I think that KTVU confused what the pilots said when things were going wrong with their names. And that’s their story, and they’re sticking to it.
July 12, 2013 at 2:25 pm
“It also goes to Joe’s point about how, lacking a gun, this ends much differently.”
musical interlude…
“I’m talking about the law, not whatever hypotheticals as flying around”
musical interlude…
Former begs the question “how”.
Latter says, answer it at your own risk.
July 12, 2013 at 2:27 pm
If you carry a gun, you carry greater responsibility.
The chickie is abso-freakin’-lutely right, and there’s no way to not know this when you get your carry permit.
July 12, 2013 at 2:32 pm
Like my partner was told in his CC class: “draw your gun on someone, have the expectation you will be arrested”.
July 12, 2013 at 2:34 pm
^ So, you’re able to understand that, but somehow cannot grasp what I said. Sorry, but those two don’t mesh.
July 12, 2013 at 2:44 pm
ROSEN WIN: “Federal prosecutors can no longer obtain search warrants for information obtained by journalists unless reporters are the subject of a criminal investigation, a Justice Department official said Friday.”
July 12, 2013 at 2:47 pm
Don’t pull a gun unless you have a damn good reason and intend to use it.
July 12, 2013 at 2:56 pm
Stay in your truck and wait for the cops. If you think “the suspect” is to dangerous to follow without a gun, don’t follow him. Oh right, he was looking for a street name. Yeah.
July 12, 2013 at 2:57 pm
‘too’
July 12, 2013 at 3:07 pm
et tu
July 12, 2013 at 3:13 pm
Stay home and hide under your bed, Joe. Those cops have guns too and you might get so scared that you crap yourself.
July 12, 2013 at 3:16 pm
Yes, they also have identifiable badges, and the training to back them up. If Zim had held his attitude in check, the cops would’ve eventually driven away wondering what the hell they were bothering some kid in the rain for.
July 12, 2013 at 3:17 pm
You always hope the jury is observant and bright eyed. I was in Bardstown Kentucky once for a nephew’s attempted murder trial. During a recess, I went into a courthouse hallway to have a smoke. The jury was there having a bit of a pow-wow on whether they wanted to stay late or or continue on Saturday. One of them pointed at me and said, “that man hasn’t voted”. I told them I wasn’t on the jury, but was the defendant’s uncle.
July 12, 2013 at 3:26 pm
There are already protestors gathering outside the courthouse in Florida. Someone on The Five asked Greta if she thinks the jurors can hear them and Greta said probably not.
July 12, 2013 at 3:27 pm
Gotta love those pro-choice protesters! Jars of feces – really?
http://m.ketknbc.com/w/main/story/95609804/
July 12, 2013 at 3:39 pm
Greta also said the atmosphere outside the courthouse is very “uncomfortable.”
July 12, 2013 at 3:42 pm
Greta also said the atmosphere outside the courthouse is very “uncomfortable.”
Yes, another round of “the black people are gonna get violent” is just what this story needs. This supposition is how Trayvon got targeted in the first place. Fox News is ginning up racial fear, and should stfu.
July 12, 2013 at 3:44 pm
I used to know people who, with a straight face, would compare the “human cells” of one to the other. They would also talk about Satan and Wiccan crap to upset the religious people. That fringe seems to have grown, perhaps because the press doesn’t exactly call them on it.
Andrew Kaczynski @BuzzFeedAndrew 36m
Seriously, people crapped in 18 jars and tried to bring it into the Texas galleries during the abortion debate.
July 12, 2013 at 3:47 pm
Yes, another round of “the black people are gonna get violent” is just what this story needs. This supposition is how Trayvon got targeted in the first place. Fox News is ginning up racial fear, and should stfu.
Joe, are you this big of a fool, or are simply trying to agitate?
July 12, 2013 at 3:53 pm
How many segments has FNC run about “possible riots”? They want it to happen.
The KTVU thing actually happened:
Matthew Keys @MatthewKeysLive
KTVU has pulled their apology on fake Asiana pilot names from their website. But you can read it here! – pic.twitter.com/8TFKfnc2ur
July 12, 2013 at 3:59 pm
How many segments has FNC run about “possible riots”? They want it to happen.
Every damn station, national and local, has mentioned it. When Al Sharpton’s involved in something, there’s always a chance of trouble.
July 12, 2013 at 4:02 pm
Just Joe being Joe. Belligerent and anti-Fox at the drop of a dime. He should take his own advice and STFU.
July 12, 2013 at 4:10 pm
Conn Carroll @conncarroll
if your side of the argument has resorted to throwing poop, you’ve lost the argument #wendydavis http://blog.chron.com/texaspolitics/2013/07/controversy-erupts-over-confiscated-feces-tampons-at-capitol/ …
July 12, 2013 at 4:12 pm
Sorry, moral high ground here..no shutting up. I don’t think it was “God’s plan” that an unarmed 17-year-old boy ended up dead facedown in the wet grass; I don’t think it’s ok that the shooter showed no concern for Trayvon’s well-being after he shot him; I don’t think it’s ok that Zimmerman has expressed no regrets since; and I don’t think conservative media should be jonesing for riots.
It’s better to be right than popular. I’m right.
July 12, 2013 at 4:17 pm
Perhaps Joe can tell ups how Progressive pooping protesters process the poop? Do they each have their own jar to poop in or a community poop pot to collect after a communal squat and a captan to fill the jars?
July 12, 2013 at 4:24 pm
Like the OWS crowd, the Texas protesters don’t look so cute as they show the crap on their pink shows.
July 12, 2013 at 4:26 pm
“Sorry, moral high ground here..no shutting up”
You are nowhere close to having the “moral high ground.” And the only people “jonesing for riots” are the crazies on the Left. Take Larry’s advice and STFU, or GFY. Doesn’t matter to me.
July 12, 2013 at 4:29 pm
I don’t think it’s ok that Zimmerman has expressed no regrets since
And if he had? I’ll bet you a whole tornado full of sharks that would have been used against him at the trial. As long as Zimmerman remains in legal jeopardy, his attorney is (rightly) going to tell him to shut up and not express even a hint of contrition.
July 12, 2013 at 4:30 pm
Hmm, let me think about that. Ok, I’m ready. No.
July 12, 2013 at 4:31 pm
I’m so old, I remember when journalists investigated those in power rather than holding strategy sessions in order to coordinate messages.
http://dailycaller.com/2013/07/12/white-house-holds-obamacare-background-briefing-with-liberal-reporters/
July 12, 2013 at 4:34 pm
Wrong gain, Farris. “I had to shoot him, and I feel bad about it” is a reasonable reaction to having to use a gun in self-defense. Most cops will tell you that. George Zimmerman has consistently shown a shocking, sociopathic disconnect from the consequences of taking a life. There’s something bad wrong in that guy’s head.
July 12, 2013 at 4:38 pm
There’s something bad wrong in that guy’s head.
People in glass houses, Joe.
July 12, 2013 at 4:42 pm
And where exactly did you get your degree in criminal psychiatry, joe?
July 12, 2013 at 4:48 pm
I think Alisyn Camerota is doing a great job hosting America Live. Is she going to get one of the hours of AL in the fall?
July 12, 2013 at 5:01 pm
Couldn’t rebut my argument, huh? No sane person forced to kill a 17-year-old boy in self-defense has “no regrets”, and thinks it’s “God’s plan”.
George Zimmerman may get off because of crap law and no witnesses, but that boy is dead because someone not mentally qualified to handle a gun had one.
July 12, 2013 at 5:05 pm
Couldn’t rebut my argument, huh?
Your argument has been rebutted over and over. You are simply too damn dumb to understand that.
July 12, 2013 at 5:35 pm
Steven Ertelt @StevenErtelt
UPDATE: Per CNN #tampongate is over. Sick abortion activist attempted to bring in USED tampon to throw http://bit.ly/12mcAII #stand4life
4:34 PM – 12 Jul 2013
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When you have lost the argument this is the kind of stuff crazies do!
July 12, 2013 at 5:45 pm
My nephew was seventeen at the time he wrestled a sidearm away from of a Kentucky State Patrolman and was charged with his attempted murder. I thought of him as a boy, but the justice system chose to treat his impulse as that of an adult.
July 12, 2013 at 5:49 pm
CBS NEWS frets tonight about Florida violence possible from Zimmerman verdict.
July 12, 2013 at 5:55 pm
CBS NEWS frets tonight about Florida violence possible from Zimmerman verdict.
Joe sez CBS is controlled by FOX and the evil Roger Ailes.
July 12, 2013 at 5:56 pm
How did things work out for your nephew, Larry?
July 12, 2013 at 6:00 pm
Not only the the KTVU thing happen, but apparently NTSB confirmed the accuracy of the names.
http://www.ntsb.gov/news/2013/130712.html
July 12, 2013 at 6:06 pm
^Wow, I thought for sure that was going to be a prank story.
As the journalism saying goes, if your Mom says she loves you get another source.
Especially if your Mom is Ella Vader.
Yeah, it’s Friday.
July 12, 2013 at 6:06 pm
There were circumstances. He gave the gun back after getting the policeman to promise not to kill him, but they threw the book at him and was facing 30 years. Took a plea bargain for five and served three. They pretty much kept him out of the general population. I sent him cartons of cigarettes which he used as barter.
July 12, 2013 at 6:15 pm
Yeah, some unidentified crazy guy with a gun tracking a kid through the neighborhood is exactly the same as a kid trying to disarm a police officer. That’s brilliant.
July 12, 2013 at 6:21 pm
Never said that it was, but you’re still brilliant as usual.
July 12, 2013 at 6:24 pm
Nixon thinks I’m dumb, but he’s stupid so it’s all good.
July 12, 2013 at 6:27 pm
Nope, you’re brilliant. He is just so wrong.
July 12, 2013 at 6:31 pm
That’s too bad for your nephew, Larry. At least he has survived the ordeal.
As for Joe – Larry did no such thing, you ignorant fool. Learn to read.
July 12, 2013 at 6:37 pm
Nixon thinks I’m dumb, but he’s stupid so it’s all good.
Actually, Joe, you are that wonderful combination of arrogance and ignorance that makes the Left so fun to deal with.
July 12, 2013 at 6:40 pm
Hannity’s audience show is a joke with everyone talking over eachother and yelling.
July 12, 2013 at 6:46 pm
Hannity’s audience show is a joke with everyone talking over each other and yelling.</em.
Anybody yelling, "Jerry! Jerry! Jerry!" and women lifting their tops?
July 12, 2013 at 6:52 pm
ICE watches so we don’t have to.
July 12, 2013 at 6:52 pm
Not yet but there are a bunch of female lawyers in dresses and skirts.
Piers Morgan has an audience to except they are not legal experts as the Hannity panel is.
July 12, 2013 at 6:56 pm
HLN is the most embarrassing with the giant all caps text “JURY DELIBERATION CLOCK” & “ZIMMERMAN VERDICT WATCH” at the bottom of the screen with a clock on the bottom right.
July 12, 2013 at 6:56 pm
I looking for a oncore performance of SharkNado.
July 12, 2013 at 6:58 pm
Not yet but there are a bunch of female lawyers in dresses and skirts.
It’s Friday, so Hannity might get a big surprise.
July 12, 2013 at 7:03 pm
There’s a clock? They know you can’t count down to an unspecified date/time, right?
July 12, 2013 at 7:31 pm
I kept waiting for Checkers, but Nixon wasn’t President, then.
http://www.politico.com/gallery/2013/05/quiz-pair-the-pet-with-the-president/001045-014767.html
July 12, 2013 at 7:48 pm
Nixon’s dogs were the last shown. Checkers had already “walked on ahead.”
July 12, 2013 at 7:55 pm
To clarify the HLN clock is counting up the deliberation hours.
July 12, 2013 at 8:14 pm
I liked the Hannity show. There were 4 guests and everyone in the audience was either a defense lawyer or prosecutor (plus Dr. Baden and Bo Dietl and a couple of media people). Yes, there was lots of talking over one another, but everyone got to speak his/her mind.
July 12, 2013 at 8:28 pm
This seems to be gettin’ kinda hectic, at least on the outside.
Texas Senate Livestream 83(2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Q8Hr0O20LY&feature=youtu.be
July 12, 2013 at 8:46 pm
I didn’t have a chance to catch the KTVU thing earlier today so didn’t know what the hub-bub was about. Just now saw the video. “Captain Sum Ting Wong”… HAHAHAHAHA!
I can easily imagine the NTSB summer intern rolling his/her eyes after a reporter, who’s calling for confirmation, reads off the names. “Oh sure, I can confirm that!” –click– “What a moron!”
July 12, 2013 at 9:01 pm
^ That story is bewildering. KTVU is a very serious operation which regularly puts cable news to shame. I’m amazed that stunt got by them.
July 12, 2013 at 9:20 pm
^ Everybody screws up really bad once in a while. My guess is that no one actually read the words aloud until the anchor did off the teleprompter. She comes off looking like she’d read anything that was on it. And the prankster wouldn’t have read those names straight out, either….something like, “The captain’s name is spelled w-o-n-g, first name is s-o-m-t-i-n-g…. “
July 12, 2013 at 9:47 pm
While I’m not following the Zimmerman trial closely, it’s a great example that shows FNC is a breath of fresh air sometimes. The non-existent racism aspect is constantly being pushed by the non-US media outlets I follow or watch. There is a stark contrast in coverage between them. I likely would have believed Zimmerman killed Martin because he was black.
I discovered by accident a few years back the amount of important details that are omitted in the coverage of US political news/issue by these non-US outlets. Since a lot of US stories make it onto the international airwaves due to its superpower status and in my case, geography, I watch quite a bit of FNC and some CNN just to make sure I have the full story and not just the fragments that are part of whatever agenda they’re trying to push.
July 12, 2013 at 10:09 pm
^ I opined on an earlier thread that I thought the news media of various countries all have great difficulty interpreting stories outside of their own perspective. It is not surprising that foreign coverage would presume there to be a thick racial aspect. America’s struggle with race runs so deep it’s even written into our constitution, so from the outside it’s hard not to think it’s always front and centre.
July 12, 2013 at 10:53 pm
I agree with that, Al. I see that even between national and local coverage of the same story here and likely in America too.
In addition to that, I believe the coverage by US media plays a role. Foreign perspectives are likely shaped by the perspectives of social, political, news ‘elites’, ‘favourites’, and those who are ‘highly-respected’.
It also doesn’t seem like a lot of non-US orgs do a lot of ‘original’ work on US news and rely heavily on US networks through content sharing.
I can’t comment on anything other than Canadian media, BBC, AJE. From what I’ve seen, especially for Canadian media, is that they just take videos and packages from the Big Three, AP, CNN and cover a story based what is supplied. FNC is avoided. They rarely send reporters to the field, the reporters stay in DC and file packages from DC. If I can recall correctly, I sometimes find parallels in some of the packages. Very noticeable when the Canadian-produced package is aired only on one newscast (ex. 6pm) and a Big Three package only on another newscast (11pm) on the same Canadian channel.
July 12, 2013 at 11:04 pm
By parallels, I mean the story progresses the same way and even have the same expert interviews! It seems like it’s pretty much taking the script from the Big Three, re-word it, and sometimes try to make it relevant to their audience.
July 13, 2013 at 12:48 am
^ I’ve noticed that watching CBC, too. My take on it has been that the Canadian journos doing the US coverage live in the same New York or DC “bubble” as do their American colleagues. While certainly a different country with a culture all its own, we still sort of have to admit that Canada is no more “foreign” to the US than are our individual states and provinces to each other.
No offence, eh?
July 13, 2013 at 1:20 am
Nancy Grace’s show tonight is a complete embarrassment to HLN. She interrupts the guests and tells them they are talking to much.
She can insult the guests all the time and if they respond back with an insult she tells her producer to cut their mic.
Are the ratings really worth her unprofessional behavior?
July 13, 2013 at 2:07 am
I wish I still had Canadian news on my cable. We had it years ago before all the other US cable channels showed up to compete with CNN.
July 13, 2013 at 5:55 am
The NYT short take on show returning Sunday for season two:
“The Newsroom” is still righteous and romantic, but its second season has a story line about a libel suit that pulls viewers past the rocks and eddies of liberal piety.
July 13, 2013 at 9:16 am
RE NewsRoom: it looks like the season arc has something to do with Jeff Daniels calling the Tea Party ‘the American Taliban’ and suffering blowback because, of course, that type of thing is out of line.
… I guess they must have wrote all the scripts before the whole IRS thing came out and prove it was the Tea Party themselves, and not their outspoken critics, who were subject to extraordinary scrutiny. Oops!
July 13, 2013 at 9:18 am
By the way, THIS is why Harry Reid doesn’t want to get rid of the filibuster: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/07/brian-schweitzer-senate-2014-94111.html?hp=f1
He knows that there’s a pretty decent shot at Republicans taking back the Senate in ’14 and were they to change filibuster rules, he knows McConnell would ram it back down his throat in 18 months.
July 13, 2013 at 9:55 am
Which is why Republicans threatened but never did so when they were in charge to push a couple of Bush’s judges through to nomination. Will remove the minority influence forever and make the Senate pretty much like the House.
July 13, 2013 at 10:06 am
Nancy Grace’s show tonight is a complete embarrassment to HLN. She interrupts the guests and tells them they are talking to much.
She can insult the guests all the time and if they respond back with an insult she tells her producer to cut their mic.
Are the ratings really worth her unprofessional behavior?
Ice, everything about that harpy is based on fiction: http://observer.com/25th-anniversary/did-nancy-grace-tv-crimebuster-muddy-her-myth/
She was <em.fired as a prosecutor for misconduct and gave up her law license at the request of the GA Supreme Court due to her amazing rate of convictions overturned due to prosecutorial misconduct. In other words, she was worse than most of those she railroaded.
July 13, 2013 at 10:21 am
MSNBC, CNN, and even FOX are all about THE trial. I’ve never seen anything like this before in my life (and I’m not young). As many legal scholars have stated, this case is exactly like many, many others in this country, so why all the coverage? There was even a case, also in Florida, where a black man, Trevor Dooley, shot and killed an unarmed white man, David James, during a struggle, in front of James’ 8-year-old daughter. Mr. Dooley claimed self-defense and was not arrested for several months. I don’t know if he was acquitted at his trial. I guess the media didn’t find the Dooley/James case interesting enough to mention. (I learned about this case from radio host David Webb on last night’s Hannity.)
July 13, 2013 at 1:19 pm
“Yeah, if they use their reasoning, they’ll realize the kid was trying to get some Skittles to his 12-year-old nephew in time for the All Star Game to start. Unfortunately he was being tracked by a sociopath with a gun. FACT. I’m surprised at you, Carol.” – Joe
I guess it bothers me that you are surprised at me. I think you really mean disappointed in me. I was a juror on a criminal defense case many, many years ago. I honestly don’t remember if the defendant was charged with attempted murder or a lesser charge. All of us (12 jurors) believed that the defendant was guilty. That was using our common sense and our hearts. But our intellect and reasoning told us that the prosecution did a very poor job of proving its case beyond a reasonable doubt. We didn’t rush through deliberations. In the end we believed we had no choice but to acquit. We thought this man WAS guilty, but it wasn’t proven beyond a reasonable doubt. This could happen in GZ’s case.
July 13, 2013 at 1:40 pm
Carol, you said..
Mr. Guy told the jury to use their hearts. In other words, check your intelligence and reasoning at the front door.
That sounds to me (I may be wrong) that you think “intelligence and reasoning” acquits Zimmerman, which I find insane. My reasoning tells me the pissed off guy stomping around the neighborhood with a gun confronted and killed a 17-year-old kid walking home from the store. Zimmerman’s story is ridiculous, and I’m surprised you buy it.
July 13, 2013 at 1:42 pm
Carol, Joe sees everything through the prism of politics. Nothing else matters to him.
I have served on one civilian criminal jury and a military court-martial board. Neither defendant was found guilty.
July 13, 2013 at 1:48 pm
So, Joe, do you want Zimmerman hanged or burned at the stake? Obviously evidence means nothing to you. “My reasoning.” Your reasoning is nonexistent.
July 13, 2013 at 1:55 pm
Another misunderstood “child.’ He was 15 when he committed his crimes: http://www.wlfi.com/dpp/news/crime/hammond-teen-gets-50-years-for-3-rapes
I’m sure that Joe will come up with some creative defense.
July 13, 2013 at 1:57 pm
My reasoning is logical: Martin was walking. Zimmerman was the one who decided this was a problem. Zimmerman was the man with the gun who got pissed off, got out of his truck, found Martin, got into a fight, and killed him.
The Zimmerman supporters want you to believe the passive and aggressive switched sides halfway through the event, and the guy who started this whole mess was the victim. Not plausible. The pissed off dude who started it is the guilty party.
July 13, 2013 at 1:58 pm
Btw, Nixon, Carol and I are having a civil discussion, just as we have done for years. Butt out.
July 13, 2013 at 2:03 pm
Btw, Nixon, Carol and I are having a civil discussion, just as we have done for years. Butt out.
I will comment on any post that I damn well please. Just because you like to bully people, don’t expect everyone to humor you.
And, I seriously doubt that you are even capable of a logical thought.
July 13, 2013 at 2:05 pm
If Carol told me to “butt out,” I would. But not because of some internet bully.
July 13, 2013 at 2:08 pm
Whiner.
July 13, 2013 at 2:15 pm
“Whiner.”
Yes you are, Joe. Constantly, with the maturity of someone in their early teens. Look at other people’s opinions once in a while. You might actually learn something.
July 13, 2013 at 2:27 pm
And for the rest of the board members – I apologize for letting myself get drawn into these p*ssing contests with Joe. You’d think that I would’ve learned by now how futile it is.
July 13, 2013 at 2:28 pm
Doodyhead.
July 13, 2013 at 2:30 pm
Check this out: http://www.chathamdailynews.ca/2013/07/13/bug-bombs-cause-partial-collapse-of-new-york-city-building
Twenty one bug bombs? What did she have? Roaches the size of the one in the Edgar suit in the original “Men in Black?”
July 13, 2013 at 2:32 pm
“Other people’s opinions” are wrong. The right has sided with the shooter for political reasons, at direct odds with the evidence at hand. You’ve convicted a dead kid of getting himself murdered. Because he’s black. It’s obscene, and every one of you who support this ridiculous theory should be ashamed of yourselves.
July 13, 2013 at 2:38 pm
That pig O’Mara actually showed the jury a photo of a shirtless Trayvon Martin looking tough to prove what a “scary black guy” he was. That’s one of the most disgusting displays I’ve ever seen. You wanna give me some BS about this case not being about race? Zimmerman’s attorney specifically made it so yesterday. That made me physically ill. It’s not Trayvon’s fault he’s dead.
July 13, 2013 at 4:08 pm
The way I see it. Seventeen year old cultivating a tough guy reputation isn’t in the best of moods after getting tossed of of school for fighting. Gets high on pot and picks up some candy on the way to one of his homes to satisfy an induced craving. Calls girlfriend to lets her know some creep is gawking at him and is pissed. As he is the much bigger of the two, figures he can take the cracker, doubles back and sucker-punches Zimmerman who is getting his location bearings. Takes Zimm to the ground and beats on him MMA style. Bleeding Zimm screams in terror for his life, removes his gun, and shoots his attacker.
Zimmerman NOT GUILTY.
July 13, 2013 at 4:10 pm
Joe you really are ridiculous. That picture was presented so the jurors could compare what Trayvon’s body looked like before he died versus the autopsy photo where of course his body was drained of most bodily fluids.
If you have ever seen a body after an autopsy you know the body does not look like it did when the person was living.
I haven’t weighed in on much of what you’re posting here but this comment really shows how pathetic your comments truly are. You ought to be ashamed of yourself. Is your life really going to be any different based on the verdict here?
IMO our country will be fu**ed no matter what the verdict will be.
July 13, 2013 at 4:16 pm
^Strong letter to follow.
July 13, 2013 at 4:21 pm
Jurors ask for a clarification on manslaughter.
Outside lawyers with no connection to the case said the jury’s question could be an indication that it has taken second-degree murder off the table.
“It does sound like at this point, they’re considering between manslaughter and not guilty,” said Blaine McChesney, an Orlando defense attorney and former prosecutor with no connection to the case.
July 13, 2013 at 4:27 pm
Tempers flare:
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-zimmerman-trial-protesters-20130713,0,3154829.story
July 13, 2013 at 4:32 pm
Pam, you’re oblivious to reality and common sense, as usual.
Larry, there’s no evidence that the kid was high that night, and the Skittles were for his nephew.
George Zimmerman was the aggressor pounding around the neighborhood with a gun, and when it was over that boy was dead. It’s shameful.
July 13, 2013 at 4:38 pm
I thought Martin has MJ in his blood? If not, explains why not mellow.
Joe has his idea of what happend and has great sympathy for Trayvon. I have my idea, and little sympathy other than sorry he’s dead.
July 13, 2013 at 4:38 pm
Random rant Video clips on the internet in 1999 had better image quality than SPEED’s standard definition feed. I don’t understand how NBCSN, MSNBC and ESPN can all have quality standard definition feeds but FOX Sports anything is completely unwatchable in SD.
July 13, 2013 at 4:44 pm
That’s easy, Andy. It’s Fox, who do everything on the cheap for maximum profit with little regard to quality. See? 😉
July 13, 2013 at 4:47 pm
Joe, I appreciate your point of view. Many people I know share it. But I have a different point of view. I find GZ’s story believable. Am I sure it’s true? No. But I have enough reasonable doubt about the state’s case that I wouldn’t be surprised if the jury also has the same reasonable doubt. But I wouldn’t bet on anything a jury may decide. I was 100% sure OJ would be convicted.
July 13, 2013 at 4:48 pm
^glove didn’t fit
July 13, 2013 at 4:51 pm
If I start a fight with a person over a parking place, i.e., something us brilliant men are known to do, and the other person is beating me senseless, I have the right to use force to stop him. Even deadly force.
If I kill him to prevent my death/grave injury it’s justifiable or excusable homicide.
As I understand it. We’re all experts on whatever topic is garnering the most attention.
It’s the internet.
And I am 6’4′.
So don’t take my parking spot.
July 13, 2013 at 4:56 pm
^Thus the instructions to the jury:
“A killing that is excusable or was committed by the use of justifiable deadly force is lawful. If you find Trayvon Martin was killed by George Zimmerman, you will then consider the circumstances surrounding the killing in deciding if the killing was Murder in the Second Degree or was Manslaughter, or whether the killing was excusable or resulted from justifiable use of deadly force.”
In other words EVEN IF Zimmerman started the fight, his use of deadly force could be justified or excusable if he believed he was going to suffer grave or deadly injuries.
If the jury has dismissed the second degree charge, this is what they’ll consider. Was the force either in self defense or was it justifiable or excusable.
July 13, 2013 at 5:02 pm
Carol, I think GZ’s story is absurd, but I respect your right to disagree.
Eric, this is where my certainty on a moral level conflicts with the possible legal outs Zimmerman has here. I don’t agree that you should be able to shoot a person in a fist-fight you started. I also don’t think you should be able to wander the neighborhood with a gun on you. As I’ve said many times, my feelings about this case on a right/wrong moral level may conflict with the laws in that state.
Regardless, GZ’s self-defense story is laughable. I don’t believe his gun was concealed, then found by Trayvon; I don’t believe Trayvon was beating him senseless while GZ screamed for help; I don’t believe the only way out was to magically get to that gun and shoot the boy. That’s Trayvon Martin on the tape screaming for mercy, and George Zimmerman didn’t give him any. He’s nuts, and he belongs in jail.
July 13, 2013 at 5:04 pm
Last one (my Iceman impersonation):
Manslaughter charge (from the judge to the jury):
“To prove the crime of Manslaughter, the State must prove the following two elements beyond a reasonable doubt:
1. Trayvon Martin is dead.
2. George Zimmerman intentionally committed an act or acts that caused the death of Trayvon Martin.
George Zimmerman cannot be guilty of manslaughter by committing a merely negligent act or if the killing was either justifiable or excusable homicide.”
Negligence isn’t sufficient. If the homicide was justifiable or excusable then Zimmerman is not guilty of manslaughter.
July 13, 2013 at 5:11 pm
“Eric, this is where my certainty on a moral level conflicts with the possible legal outs Zimmerman has here. I don’t agree that you should be able to shoot a person in a fist-fight you started. ”
Well, from the instructions to the jury it appears in Florida that who starts the fight doesn’t matter. If the person believes he is going to suffer grave or deadly injury, he can use deadly force to stop that from happening. It’s a justifiable or excusable homicide.
EVEN IF he started the fight.
I believe the requirement – or one of them – is that the instigator has to be retreating or not continuing the fight.
This is why the cries of “Help me” are so important. If the jury believes they were Zimmerman’s and he appeared to be defenseless or in grave danger, then the use of deadly force is justified.
My guess is that the jury will be struggling over this. They’ve dismissed second degree rather quickly and are now considering whether Zimmerman’s use of deadly force was justified. Not the self defense argument.
July 13, 2013 at 5:25 pm
This is why the cries of “Help me” are so important. If the jury believes they were Zimmerman’s and he appeared to be defenseless or in grave danger, then the use of deadly force is justified.
And if this is where we’re at, Zimmerman probably skates. What I hear on the tape is someone begging for mercy, and that sound is stopped by a bullet: A “crime of passion” “I’ve had it with you” act like you find in many domestic violence cases. The jury is going to have a hard time sorting that at.
July 13, 2013 at 5:26 pm
“Pam, you’re oblivious to reality and common sense, as usual.”
Now I am pissed off, joe dear. I saw that showing of the picture live because I was in a waiting room while my husband was having an MRI to see if the cancer he had has made a re-ocurrance.
Please tell me where I am divorced from common sense and reality. Have you ever had to identify a body in a morgue? Do you know what a body looks like after an autopsy and before the funeral home does what it all does to prepare for a funeral?
Please explain, oh insightful one, where I am wrong and you are right!
Yours truly,
Pam
July 13, 2013 at 5:35 pm
Guess if you are with the NAACP you don’t dare have a contrary opinion. Please resign now – you’re just too young to understand the whole racial thing that is going on!
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/07/virginia-naacp-chief-dared-to-question-trayvons-innocence-liberal-rage-prompted/
July 13, 2013 at 5:37 pm
Nothing to see here – right? IT Director fired over evidence in the Trayvon Martin case.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/13/justice/zimmerman-it-firing
July 13, 2013 at 5:45 pm
Joe’s moral certitude means nothing to the law, and nothing to me either other than he gets an opinion. He can strut and huff and puff all he wants if it makes him feel good. His choice of stories to believe are also no better than mine, no matter how often he repeats himself. I get an opinion too.
July 13, 2013 at 5:46 pm
Pam, I explained what I thought O’Mara was trying to do with that stunt, but under the circumstances of what you’re dealing with at home, I shall disengage. I hope your husband is ok.
July 13, 2013 at 6:19 pm
joe: you don’t need to disengage just know that the context you may have been presented with for that picture was not the truth as to why the picture was presented.
As far as my husband, we are keeping our fingers crossed for positive news next week.
July 13, 2013 at 6:19 pm
MSNBC anchor: “What happens if George Zimmerman is convicted?”
Um, he goes to prison.
July 13, 2013 at 6:20 pm
You can tell Chris Jansing does NOT want to be there right now.
July 13, 2013 at 6:24 pm
Pam, I hope that it turns out that your husband’s cancer hasn’t returned. As for Joe, ignore him. He craves the attention of people wanting to argue with him.
July 13, 2013 at 6:27 pm
“Judge Debra Nelson said before the trial that the possibility of sanctions — requested by the defense — would be addressed after the verdict.”
Sanctions AFTER the trial? Where did she go to law school? The University of Phoenix?
July 13, 2013 at 6:44 pm
As far as my husband, we are keeping our fingers crossed for positive news next week.
Please keep us posted, if you don’t mind. I’ll keep you both in my prayers.
July 13, 2013 at 6:46 pm
Sanctions AFTER the trial? Where did she go to law school? The University of Phoenix?
A Jeb Bush appointee, she went to school at University of South Florida and South Texas College of Law. South Texas is one of the top ranked legal schools in the country. #TheMoreYouKnow
July 13, 2013 at 6:50 pm
We have a verdict.
July 13, 2013 at 6:51 pm
A verdict is in, according to FOX.
July 13, 2013 at 6:54 pm
quicker than I would have guessed
July 13, 2013 at 6:54 pm
Jeb Bush appointed a lot of real prizes. That family has a real knack for things like that.
Andy, that still doesn’t explain that boneheaded ruling. What possible remedy would correct the state not turning evidence over to the defense in a timely manner as required by law after the trial is over?
July 13, 2013 at 6:57 pm
I think we’re going to find that they were in agreement almost right away, then worked back from there to try to talk themselves into changing their minds.
July 13, 2013 at 7:00 pm
NOT GUILTY
July 13, 2013 at 7:00 pm
Justice! Call the paramedics for Joe.
July 13, 2013 at 7:04 pm
MSNBC — Rev. Al on Verdict: “This is an atrocity, one of the worst… blah, blah, blah”.
July 13, 2013 at 7:06 pm
“Reverend” Al should’ve faced charges over Tawana Brawley and Freddy’s Fashion Mart. The fact that MSNBC hired him says a lot about them.
July 13, 2013 at 7:08 pm
MSNBC: “this sends a message to black America that its okay to shoot and kill one of your children”.
July 13, 2013 at 7:12 pm
MSNBC: “this sends a message to black America that its okay to shoot and kill one of your children”.
Yeah, if said child is trying to beat the living crap out of you.
July 13, 2013 at 7:13 pm
Was interesting listening to Greta’s thoughts on the verdict. Then they put on Hannity… -click-
July 13, 2013 at 7:17 pm
Me too.
July 13, 2013 at 7:19 pm
Al, Hannity is one of many on my “Do Not Watch” list.
July 13, 2013 at 8:19 pm
After George Zimmerman was found not guilty of all charges on Saturday evening, New York Giants wide receiver Victor Cruz sent a threatening tweet that has since been deleted from his account.
He tweeted, “Thoroughly confused. Zimmerman doesn’t last a year before the hood catches up to him.”
July 13, 2013 at 9:23 pm
Mabye if Hernandez, ex of the Patriots, gets bail, he can do it. What’s one more murder? Charged with one, and expected to be charged on two others.
July 14, 2013 at 10:27 am
No, it’s not just about the bad female characters. It’s the thing where “mainstream media” just isn’t liberal enough. Explains much.
http://www.tnr.com/article/books-and-arts/magazine/104225/jake-tapper-the-snoozeroom-sorkin?page=0,0#
July 14, 2013 at 10:47 am
This is interesting. To me, anyway.
Hold the MSG
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2013/07/msg_and_gluten_intolerance_is_the_nocebo_effect_to_blame.html?utm_source=tw&utm_medium=sm&utm_campaign=button_toolbar
July 14, 2013 at 11:00 am
Jake Tapper in the New Republic on Sorkin using:
“the oldest trick in the book for a Hollywood liberal: by having McAvoy be a “sane Republican” who looks at his party with sadness and anger.”
and favorites of MSNBC liberals.
July 14, 2013 at 11:03 am
^ And it has the bonus effect of really pissing off conservatives, who have no memory of this magical time when we were okay with abortion, amnesty, g marriage, and tax hikes.
July 14, 2013 at 8:39 pm
Watched the Sorkin show. Will watch next week too.