Free for All: 08/02/13

What’s on your mind?

262 Responses to “Free for All: 08/02/13”

  1. Pronouncements of “phony” scandals and chuckling at his own snide comments like the recent one on the Keystone pipeline make Obama about as endearing as people who fart and laugh.

    Though MSNBC would applaud even that.

  2. imnotblue Says:

    I’m pretty sure that “phony” is just code for “racist.”

    I’m amazed that Chris Matthews didn’t get the message. “Tonight… Is it racist to ask questions about Benghazi? YES! Let’s play Hardball.”

  3. Uh, Doocy..Geraldo may be a bit bonkers, but he knows the difference between a clandestine operation intended to help people being slaughtered by a madman, and an ADMINISTRATION-ENDING SCANDAL OH EM GEE CALL ISSA!

    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/geraldo-revelations-about-cia-in-benghazi-not-as-extraordinary-as-its-being-made-out/

  4. Speaking of The Daily Show, the John Oliver Experiment has been..strange. The writers clearly have more to do with the way Stewart sounds that we realized, and Oliver has been performing that material as Jon Stewart, right down to the “hand to mouth, try not to laugh” mannerism. Which begs the question: Is “Jon Stewart” a character on The Daily Show anyone can play?

  5. Actually, they should use a Muppet.

  6. If people are 28 years old, and/or trying to support a family on fast-food wages, they might want to aim their energy at the guy who was supposed to fix the economy. You know, the same guy who’s still lying about the jobs that would be created by Keystone.

  7. imnotblue Says:

    The writers clearly have more to do with the way Stewart sounds that we realized…

    Who’s this “we” you speak of? I thought it was common knowledge that it was the Daily Show writers who made the show, Jon Stewart was just the actor reading the lines.

    As for the original story… I think everyone should get a slight raise. What’s the worst that could happen?! In fact, I’m sure the Daily Show writers, John Oliver, Jon Stewart, etc. would all be happy to take a pay cut, and give the lower level works a little bump in pay. I mean, they haven’t yet… and probably don’t plan to… but they would if, uh, someone asked them. Yeah! That’s what would happen.

  8. I’m not hearing much about “CIA on the ground” today. Nothing at all on CBS THIS MORNINGS opening segments. Must not be considered news.

  9. On NPR this morning it was reported the biggest segment seeing job losses was in office support personnel, administrative assistants and the like. Many were lost after the “recovery” started and they are not coming back. Flipping burgers now I suspect and not happy about it.

  10. Be for the days of office PCs, I had “a girl” who did my typing. She also got my coffee.

    🙂

  11. I never made typos in those days.

  12. “the biggest segment seeing job losses was in office support personnel, administrative”

    ^^ They’re called interns now. Why pay someone to get you coffee or do your typing when you can use a slave.

  13. imnotblue Says:

    Damn college students trying to get experience. Just awful.

  14. My company always paid its dozen interns well. Most were engineering students part of Akron University’s COOP program. They always boosted my faith in the future of America. Bright and hard workers.

  15. They liked to be assigned to me. At the end of my career, I was in charge of IT and did fun stuff.

  16. “The Obama economy” is a good argument against raising the minimum wage? Uh..no.

  17. I wasn’t ‘arguing’ that.

  18. “My company always paid its dozen interns well.”

    ^^That would be the exception; not the rule.

    In the TV and film industries; with which I’m more familiar, interns work as slaves for some time but eventually the best are hired on by the company for which they worked. I found on a number of occasions that someone I met as an intern one year was an assistant producer the next year.

    The main purpose of interning is to make and impress contacts who can then either hire you or recommend their friends hire you. In the entertainment industries at least; getting coffee is important.

  19. I would love to hear a conservative who rails against poor people spending “other peoples’ money” explain why it’s ok for her to spend donations on herself while taking big money from Fox News and speeches. Maybe she should pull herself up by her bootstraps and start paying her own way…

  20. Why, when I was a wee, small child, growing up in a log cabin, politicians had to actually hold an office in order to fleece The Public. The Public, as I recall, wasn’t too pleased about it, either. Nowadays, we line up with our cash and checks and hand it to them. #Progress

  21. Nowadays, we line up with our cash and checks and hand it to them.

    I’d take that gig. I can say “freedom and justice and also the military there” with the best of ’em. #Merica

  22. Did any of you read this article about Sarah Palin and her expenditures? Sounds like most of her contributors don’t have a problem with how she spends her $. This is just another hit job on Sarah Palin and fodder for those who hate her.

    Who really gives a crap? Does she make your daily life more miserable because she spends her $ like she does? I’d rather rail against the assho** who is our President right now and the nasty ilk in DC who are taking care of their precious own when it comes to Obamacare. And all of those “phony” scandals like Benghazi and the IRS and those assho** at the IRS who don’t want to be part of Obamacare either.

    And yes, I’ m talking to you, Laura!!!

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/08/02/sarah-palin-s-donors-don-t-care-where-money-s-going.html

  23. The fact that Sarah Palin’s followers are idiots is not a surprise to me.

  24. but they are good people

  25. A new national poll from Quinnipiac University shows that Fifty-one percent of Democrats support Washington providing federal assistance to Detrait. As expected, of Republicans only 18 percent support the idea. Independents are nearly of the same mind as Republicans on the issue: 28 percent support it.

    The poll also shows a significant racial divide on the issue. Whites overwhelmingly oppose a federal bailout (63 percent against vs. 26 percent in favor) while a solid majority of African-Americans support a bailout (57 percent favor vs. 36 percent against) as do a plurality of Hispanics (48 percent favor vs. 36 percent against).

    FREE STUFF… WHERE’S OUR FREE STUFF?!

  26. People who follow televangelists don’t care much about how they spend their money, either. The fact that people are blinded by their faith doesn’t make it less of a story. And anyone who can’t read and comprehend the myriad other comments I’ve made about Obama fits well into that category.

  27. How in the he** did televangelists make it into this conversation?

    The over riding philosophy that all this comes down to is that people are making their own decision about how to spend their own $. But, please join joe and start calling people idiots.

    But, since you are the queen of this website that no one is to question, challenge or whatever I ‘ll back the heck off and say, of course, you must be right, and I am wrong.

  28. First of all, leave Joe out of it. I’m perfectly capable of calling people ‘idiots’ all on my own, just like everyone else on this blog has, at one time or another. You really need to get over the idea that you’re persecuted, or that anyone around here has any particular power.

    If you want to give your hard-earned money to someone incapable of running anything besides her mouth, have at it. It’s a free country. It struck me that people might want to know what Sarah Palin is or isn’t doing with the money that they give. Perhaps The Faithful don’t.

  29. I’m not hearing much about “CIA on the ground” today. Nothing at all on CBS THIS MORNINGS opening segments. Must not be considered news.

    I was shocked FOX didn’t run with it wall-to-wall last night. Of course, it kind of defeats the “Obama let them die” narrative.

  30. But, please join joe and start calling people idiots.

    Sarah Palin’s supporters are idiots. There, that’s one more person joining Joe. Because, you know, the rest of the people on here NEVER call anyone names.

  31. Palin’s supporters are idiots, too. They think everyone should give her a pass for everything. Kind of like some of Obama’s idiot supporters who give him a pass on drone, GITMO, NSA and the economy.

  32. It’s almost cult-like, the way people worship Palin – all because they think she’s hot and I guess they think they’ll get in her pants somehow if they twist themselves in to pretzels to make excuses for her and toss up word salads to try to vindicate her from the persecution – because in their cult world, everybody’s out to get Sarah Palin and she’s the female version of Jesus.

    She’s an idiot and her supporters are morons.

  33. Sarah Palin is a cult of personality whose Thoughts On Things are about as worthwhile as Kim Kardashian’s. The difference being Kardashian’s fans actually get a useful product for their money.

    http://kardashianfragrance.com/home.php

  34. imnotblue Says:

    I agree with the “Cult of Palin,” but Andy’s notion that “they only do it because she’s hot” is undeniably sexist.

    Apparently that’s the only reason why someone would listen to an attractive woman… to “get in their pants.” Maybe he’s just tipping his hand, and telling us what he’s learned from the blue blogs about Obama… Liberals really like him, because they want to sleep with him.

    Hey… it worked for Clinton.

  35. Andy and Joe elevate the conversation.

    (to be honest, I didn’t read what they had to say. Their opinions on all things Palin are tired)

  36. No one has any special standing around here but Spud. He has the power of Damocles, and our presence is at his mercy.

  37. Palin is the Danica Patrick of politics: She’s pretty; gets lots of fan attention and financial interest; doesn’t do much but talk.

  38. Palin figured out, a long time ago, that there’s more money in playing conservative than being one. We might want to ask ourselves why so many of our compatriots think that’s enough.

  39. …but Andy’s notion that “they only do it because she’s hot” is undeniably sexist.

    Right. Now it’s sexist to say people like a pretty woman because she’s pretty. ‘Cause that never happens in politics, news or entertainment…

  40. Pretty men still have their place on cable news.

  41. Awaiting a transgender news anchor… or maybe not?

  42. Women don’t go see Ryan Gosling for the acting, either. News, politics and entertainment (which Palin deftly travels between at will) are visual mediums, and complaints that some involved may be more popular because they’re easy on the eyes is beyond silly.

  43. You at least have to be presentable. You can’t put lipstick on a pig.

  44. and now we take you to THE FARM REPORT with correspondent, The Elephant Man.

  45. Obama about as endearing as people who fart and laugh.

    I would compare him to someone who farts, and then says “Ummm, kiss me again.”

  46. Thing is, Palin has backed some winners. You don’t hear much about people like her when they’re doing something useful. I just seem to recall her talking about a third-party run against Todd Akin, which never panned-out. That might have been helpful. I’m more than happy for her to be a player who gets decent people out there, and maybe she will. That doesn’t mean I won’t question her.

  47. Pam, back down to no one. You did nothing wrong. Laura generally means well, but can be a bit abrasive at times. I put those times down to a bad day, or something. I think that everyone can tell when I am in one of my bad moods.

    That said, I wholeheartedly agree with you that Obama is an a**hole. And he makes a Siamese cat look modest.

  48. I said what I meant. Abrade all you want.

  49. Elmer Fudd has agun and abrade.

  50. I put those times down to a bad day, or something.

    You know dames, with their hormones and stuff…

  51. I have men problems.

  52. POLITICO reports:

    CNN host Jake Tapper will guest star in the Aug. 12 episode of “All My Children,” but don’t expect any classic soap opera drama like a secret twin brother or alien baby.

    “I wouldn’t if I were you,” Tapper said in an email.

  53. The ICN version of “Open Line Friday”…

  54. Is the caller there?

  55. This is Larry from Ohio and I have a dedication for Missy.

  56. I put those times down to a bad day, or something.

    You know dames, with their hormones and stuff…

    I wasn’t saying that, Joe. And men have bad days as well. So mabye you should keep your foul mouth to yourself.

  57. Or maybe you should reel it in, once in awhile. I took the comment the same way.

  58. imnotblue Says:

    No, Joe… it’s sexist to assume that an attractive woman is only followed by people who think she’s attractive. There is nothing to support that. And just because Palin may not say enough for you, me, or anyone else… to deny that her words, personality, and politics play into her support, is foolish.

    if all you needed was a good looking girl to get political supporters, we’d see a lot more of them in Congress.

  59. Blue, if we agree that Palin’s looks are part of her appeal, then we’re not arguing about anything.

  60. This would probably be a good time to remind everybody that Andy brought up the ‘looks’ angle, then Blue, then I. The originator of the Palin topic never mentioned this.

  61. Not cable-related unless you count reruns on MSNBC Weekend, but did you know Hansen hasn’t done one of those shows since 2007!?

    http://www.mediaite.com/online/to-catch-a-predator-host-chris-hansen-parting-ways-with-nbc/

  62. Or maybe you should reel it in, once in awhile. I took the comment the same way.

    Or, Laura, mabye you should’ve read the whole post, and not just have followed Joe’s lead.
    Right after my comment about mabye you having a bad day, I said this:

    I think that everyone can tell when I am in one of my bad moods.

    It was the next sentence. I’m sure that it was missed my accident.

    I may be crude at times, but I would never make a remark of the type you believe I did. I believe that Joe has exclusive board rights to that kind of insult.

  63. ^”by accident.”

  64. I don’t “follow anyone’s lead”. Clear enough?

    I’ve read every word, including your troll about Joe’s “foul mouth”. That, specifically, is what I responded to, and really couldn’t care about any sexist undertones.

    Joe has his moments, but for the most part, he does just fine around here. I don’t know what your problem is with him, but it’s at variance with those of us who’ve known him for several years. Does he go off the beam? Yeah, no question. He also has an honest, if occasionally variable point of view. Therefor, labeling him as someone who “lies” or “calls names” is generally unnecessary and argumentative, not to mention tediously lazy. But that seems to be your game, and I don’t expect it to change,

  65. I don’t know what your problem is with him,

    Other than him being a vulgar abusive boor, I don’t have a problem with him at all. Well, other than him posting things, then denying a few minutes later that he did. Mabye you don’t see that as a character flaw. In most circles, it is.

    If I upset you so, complain to Spud. Mabye he’ll ban me, or mabye he will conclude that I didn’t cross and line, or even come close.

  66. ^”any”

  67. imnotblue Says:

    Joe…. saying her looks play a role, is pretty different than what Andy originally said.

    It plays a role, but everyone’s looks play a role (unless you’re exceptionally plain looking). but to say it’s the only reason, or that her fans want to “get in her pants,” is nonsense, and offensive.

  68. Again with the “banning”. The only one who seems “upset” is you, over offenses mostly imagined. In five years, I’ve had a handful of questionable comments scrubbed, including one of my own.
    Like I already said, it’s your game. Welcome to it.

  69. I hear ya, Blue. I was more commenting on your post than defending Andy’s. He’s a good bloke, but I don’t always agree with him. “In her pants” is not a phrase I would have presented to the discussion…

  70. Laura, I tried to defend you to Pam in an attempt to make peace between two posters that I respected, and got hell for it. And, you know what? I hate to admit it, but she was right.

  71. I would never make a remark of the type you believe I did

    I hate to admit it

    The real Nixon was a better liar.

  72. Outsider Says:

    Clearly [Keystone XL] is a project that will create jobs on both sides of the border and it is in our judgment an important project, not just for our economy and for job creation, but for the long-term energy security of North America -Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper
    We also are making the point that the president can approve the pipeline or, if he doesn’t, the oil is coming down from Canada on train -Canadian Ambassador to the US Gary Doer
    It would be nice if Obama could just say ‘yes’ or ‘no’ to the project instead of making everyone wait. The studies are done, reports have been out for almost 1/2 a year, readjustments have been made.
    http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/politics/archives/2013/08/20130802-161910.html

  73. The real Nixon would call you an (expletive deleted) for falsely calling him a liar. I will insult men when warranted, but I simply prefer not to insult or make crude remarks about women. I came from a better background than that.

  74. I’ll stop being silly for the moment and defend Nixon on this one. I took “having a bad day” not the way Joe or Laura did and not until Joe chimed in with his crack did it occur to me. Neither of the two. much likes Nixon and neither one would miss an opportunity to slap him.

    People who make moral judgements on others should be a bit more charitable if they are to be the self-appointed abritors of decency.

  75. Outsider Says:

    By the way, no one will be upset if Obama says no. What is upsetting is the unwillingness of Obama to make a decision. He had over a year to make one.

  76. He’ll vote “present”. Not allowed? Darn.

  77. Thanks, Larry. I always tried to give Laura the benefit of the doubt, even when she would snap at me. I was trying to make peace between her and Pam. But, Pam was right.

  78. Outsider, make sure whoever else Canada sells that oil to doesn’t make fuel out of it.

  79. — defend Nixon on this one —

    Big surprise. And missing the point, besides. Just don’t forget to sign that check!

  80. I heard Palin’s running for Senate. Me too!

  81. He also has an honest, if occasionally variable point of view.

    Wait…WHO YOU CALLIN’ VARIABLE!!?

  82. – defend Nixon on this one –

    Big surprise. And missing the point, besides.

    No, Laura, he hit the nail right on the head.

  83. More temporary jobs were added in July than total jobs. How is this possible? Well, permanent jobs followed the trend of moving toward temp jobs. ObamaCare got many small companies thinking and think they did: what was never considered in the past got boosted big time as an option because of ObamaCare rules. Obama policies have butchered the recovery and perhaps done harm that never will be fixed.

  84. I’m crushed at the disapproval. I’ll remember it the next time the two of you are labeling a homicide victim a “thug”.

  85. Just keep that halo polished.

  86. Outsider Says:

    The good news for you is that most of the oil isn’t going anywhere. Texas is the main destination for exporting and refining oil since we lack the capacity to refine a lot of it here and we’re landlocked with few efficient methods of transporting to our own ports, though the logistical and refinery problems will improve in a couple of years as noted in the link I provided. That’s not to say Keystone XL won’t be needed.

  87. Well, put more on trains. That’s safe.

  88. Just keep that halo polished.

    Ya know, you were doing just fine by staying out of it. It’s safe to say that you and I have both had our rough days around here, but there’s something else going on with this Nixon fellow which we shouldn’t be feeding. In this reporter’s opinion.

  89. Common decency requires a “halo”. Explains much.

  90. Joe, I don’t really see you as having a variable point of view. You’ve been known to change your mind which makes you worth arguing with, but I’ve found your point of view pretty consistent as it ranges over varied subjects and founded on life experiences. You would not be a very interesting progressive otherwise.

  91. but there’s something else going on with this Nixon fellow which we shouldn’t be feeding.

    Yeah, Joe, I tell the truth, which upsets some. And I figured you out long ago for what you are, a bully.

  92. I’ll let Laura have her last word.

  93. savefarris Says:

    “If you like your health care plan, you can keep it.”

    http://news.yahoo.com/aetna-pulls-maryland-health-exchange-171652391.html

    Obviously a clear result of racism…

  94. I’m crushed at the disapproval. I’ll remember it the next time the two of you are labeling a homicide victim a “thug”.

    I was just telling the truth, Laura. Truth isn’t always a pretty thing. And, to be perfectly honest, I don’t give a rat’s ass whether you are “crushed,” “elated,” or something inbetween.

  95. I’ll let Laura have her last word.

    It will only inflate her ego as “Blog Mom.”

  96. I’ve never liked Hansen since he did MMMBop.

  97. ^ This one has potential,

  98. Chris Hansen was nearly as creepy as some of the perverts, and that takes some doing.

  99. I like Salon Magazine, because they occasionally don’t print crazy-ass BS. This would not be such a case.
    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/342202.php

  100. I like blog babe’s pithy and thought-provoking retorts, even when they’re aimed to knock my thoughts down a peg or two. I’m entertained and there’s certainly no reason to get a nose bent out of shape over it.

  101. ^ Blog mum, I mean. My apologies. Oh, what do I care? Bite me.

  102. Bite me.

    Al, is this a commercial for this place? http://bitemesubs.com/

  103. Blog babe

    That works for me. 😉

  104. Damn, this is popcorn-worthy.

  105. We were having all the fun while you were at some boring race. Loser!

  106. Let’s all have a group hug… hey Fritz, get in here.

    or not.

  107. “Let’s all have a group hug… hey Fritz, get in here.

    or not.”

    ^^ I said my piece on you and Nixon weeks ago and I haven’t changed my mind.

  108. Cuddly as always.

    (I forgot what he said, but don’t anyone remind me)

  109. We were having all the fun while you were at some boring race. Loser!

    Boring? Watching the best of the best in Late Model racing roughing each other up for the win isn’t even in the same universe as boring. 🙂

  110. Robby Soave ‏@robbysoave
    Do not, under any circumstances, for any reason at all, even if you think are innocent, even if you ARE innocent,… http://fb.me/2dfMbf3q3

  111. (I forgot what he said, but don’t anyone remind me)

    I forgot, as well. But I think it had something to do with “Mrow.”

  112. “Robby Soave ‏@robbysoave
    Do not, under any circumstances, for any reason at all, even if you think are innocent, even if you ARE innocent,… http://fb.me/2dfMbf3q3

    Good advice. And, never, ever, smart off at them. I’ve never been arrested, but if I were, I’d call my lawyer and clam up, whether I was guilty or not.

  113. even if you ARE innocent

    I got “gangland slaying” wrong. I fell for “shooting”.

  114. Years ago, there was a commercial for a lawyer on LA TV, He was sitting at a bank of police scanners, with his back to the viewer. He then turned around and said, “Do you realize that you may be entitled to compensation, even if the accident was your fault.”

  115. Opening of Fox News Watch: “NBC and CNN plan movies about Hillary Clinton. No surprise there!” And they’re going to do a segment on a newspaper editorial attacking Fox News.

    The show hasn’t even started yet and Jon Scott has already expressed bias towards two networks, and set up a defense of his own against an opinion page. I’m sure it gets better…

  116. Oops, they admitted they have no idea if the doc released by CNN Films to theatres will actually suck. Scott looks pissed.

  117. ^ Sorry. Hillary doc.

  118. Richard Grenell says we should “remind the left that they believed the account was hacked” story when Breitbart first broke Weiner’s sexting a couple years ago. So apparently “media bias” is if a couple liberal opinion types don’t trust Bretbart.com. Brilliant.

  119. Howie isn’t doing Fox News Watch yet?

  120. I remember a good number of people in the media the bought the “hacked account” story, especially after he announced that he hired a private detective to find out who did it. It was a reasonable assumption. Who would think that the politician sending the photos would actually be arrogant enough, or stupid enough>/em> to bring in someone outside to look into it. But he was.

  121. Mabye he has some sort of non-compete deal keeping from hosting a show for a fixed period.

  122. Outsider Says:

    I don’t think Howard Kurtz is moving to NYC so I’m assuming they want the show broadcast from DC. And because of that, I assume they need to hire new producers or move some or all of them to DC if possible. I’ve read on various sites that in the broadcast industry, people also need to rehearse and work on matters related to on-air appearance before a start date is announced. Does anyone know if it will be live, remain 1/2 an hour, getting a new time slot? It’s possible they might be considering these ideas too.

  123. Outsider Says:

    And that’s probably why there’s a delay.

  124. “And they’re going to do a segment on a newspaper editorial attacking Fox News.” – Joe

    The New Haven Register compared FNC to the KKK. Why wouldn’t Fox News Watch do a segment on something like that?

  125. It can’t come soon enough. I expect the typical “our network is great” hackery that seems to afflict everyone who works there, but the new show can’t be as bad as this one.

  126. Don’t blame them. Lot to be proud of.

  127. Carol, that’s not an example of news bias..it’s an editorial opinion. You can’t bias an opinion. Bill O’Reilly – on his opinion show – went after the editorial. FNW is supposedly a watchdog show about bias in straight-news reporting. Although clearly it is not.

  128. The equivalent would be if MSNBC had a News Watch, with Thomas Roberts making snide comments about conservative media, and a panel of liberals talking about how swell their bosses are. Conservatives would be apoplectic if they tried to sell it as “searching for media bias”.

    Howie’s show will probably have a broader “commentary on news media” mandate which should help. FNW continues to brand itself a “bias” show, which it rarely sticks with.

  129. Howie was supposed to start on July 1st. They may be delaying his debut to put some distance between it and the Green/Aslan fiasco. It would be pretty embarrassing if he didn’t cover the biggest media story of the week his show debuted. With Scott still doing the show they can ignore it and no one will care.

  130. “Did Fox News show anti-Muslim bias!?” Mm, no. That’s not gonna happen.

  131. Outsider Says:

    Would be even more amazing if they had an ombudsman/corrections segment. It seems like no one apologizes for mistakes on TV news like they do in newspapers. I guess that’s expecting too much out of the TV industry.

  132. imnotblue Says:

    Come on, Joe… be serious.

    If a newspaper makes a criticism, even on its editorial pages, that is both offensive and based on a lie, and then refuses to correct the record… that’s absolutely worthy of discussion on a program about media bias.

    You guys, in your effort to hate FNC, always overplay your hand, say something goofy, and ignore plain common sense. I gotta wonder… if FNC was as bad as you guys like to claim, you’d think you’d use more truth and logic to prove that argument.

  133. Nope, you’re wrong, Blue. A show ostensibly a neutral platform for searching out bias in straight news is not the place for the network to defend itself against an opinion. O’Reilly was correct to do it his show, the highest rated one on the channel.

    But FNC couldn’t care less about the mission statement of Fox News Watch. It’s whatever they want it to be at any given moment, which in most cases is a place to b!tch about everybody else while they talk about how wonderful they are.

  134. Would be even more amazing if they had an ombudsman/corrections segment.

    That would be a good place for defending themselves, too. “This is where we blew it, and this is where someone attacked us unfairly.” That takes the defense out of the “news bias” part of the show.

  135. I gotta wonder… if FNC was as bad as you guys like to claim, you’d think you’d use more truth and logic to prove that argument.

    Blue, truth and logic when dealing with Joe? He doesn’t have to use that stuff. Everybody else might have to, but not good ol’ Joe.

  136. Journal Editorial Report is the only serious opinion program on Fox. No snark, no whining about ‘bias’ or perceived attacks against the mother-ship. I don’t know how they get away with it. I think it may have slipped Ailes’ mind.

  137. Laura, I think that it’s an attempt to show that the WSJ (Owned by News Corp) is unbiased in its reporting. That’s their stock in trade, so to speak. And, the show is good advertising for the paper.

  138. icemannyr Says:

    Now Pirro is using props on her awful opening rant.
    Any show FNC puts on that bashes Obama no matter how bad it is gets ratings?
    Pirro gets more wacky in her opening rant every week.

  139. Ice, ANY criticism of Obama, you consider bashing. All they do is tell the truth about the maladjusted oedipal.

  140. I don’t entirely agree that a news watchdog programme should only critique hard news because I can think of some logical exceptions to that. I’m not going to defend Fox News Watch because it’s terrible. Bring back Eric Burns et. al. or something like that and maybe I’ll watch.

  141. THAT’S who Pirro reminds me of. Andrew Breitbart used to do this thing where he would rear back with eyes wide when he was full of the outrage (which reminded me of Victor Buono). Judge Jeanine does that, then says “REAAALLY?”

  142. I loved him in Whatever Happened to Baby Jane.

  143. ^ Enjoyed that “Don’t Talk To Police” thing. Educational and I can use it next time my ex shows up to talk.

  144. I liked when the cop asked the attendees if they exceeded the speed limit on the way over, and nobody answered because the first guy told them not to talk to the police. 😉

  145. icemannyr Says:

    There are people who give fair criticism of the Obama Administration then you have people like Pirro who turned a show about legal news into Obama bashing and NRA cheerleading.
    She does more inappropriate smiling and laughing then any other host on FOX News.

  146. Remember when Keith Olbermann was a sports guy, then suddenly he was doing a liberal I’M SO MAD show where he yelled about Bush every night and us lefties loved it ’cause Bush sucked? Jeanine Pirro is the right’s KO. Enjoy your fun..one day you’ll sit up and notice you have no idea how it got to this, or why you pay the remotest attention to her.

  147. She’s a clown with a Jack Napier smile. Who would watch her is beyond me.

  148. I remember when I didn’t know who Keith Olbermann was. Those were the days…

  149. lonestar77 Says:

    I remember when I liked Olbermann. I was a teen-ager and all I knew about him was that he co-hosted the only show I cared about on the only station I cared about. Now, I barely remember that guy. He morphed into an unstable angry clown admired by Osama Bin Laden. Awesome job, Keith!

    And, if Pirro is FNC’s version of Olbermann, Tommy Christopher is is Olbermann reincarnated at Mediaite.

  150. My example only works in terms of someone starting as one thing on TV, then morphing into a screeching partisan with no discernible right to do so. Like a judge with a legal show, and a sportscaster.

  151. lonestar77 Says:

    I don’t watch the judge with the legal show so I wouldn’t know if she morphed into a Power Ranger. I do know that Olby morphed into a screeching nut case and Christopher has likely always been one.

  152. I cut Olby some slack due to his head injury.

  153. I miss Olbermann. One thing I can honestly say is I doubt he’d be giving President Obama a free pass. I remember Olbermann was VERY critical of Obama after Deepwater Horizon when Obama went almost an entire month without publicly acknowledging the disaster.

    And anyone who hasn’t been blocked by Olbermann on Twitter knows he’s been very critical of Obama.

    Part of me thinks that’s mostly why he’s gone. There isn’t a chance in hell Olbermann would go on his show and defend this Administration’s foreign policy and National Security record after years of criticizing Bush for the same stuff.

  154. I miss the old KO, before Countdown lost its center of humor and became a predictable angerfest. I remember saying during its last couple years on MSNBC that you could write the whole show in your head based on the list of stories in the first minute. I don’t think the man is capable of holding down a job in television: He clocks in on Day One, then the ‘countdown’ to meltdown begins.

  155. WSJ’s JOURNAL EDITORIAL REPORT has a history that predates FNC. It used to be on CNBC and maybe PBS… my memory is clouded and its not important enough to google.

  156. Has there been any talk anywhere that the reason for all of the intel “chatter” for possible attacks on our embassies/consulates has to do with the fact that today is Obama’s birthday?

    Kind of like “Al Qaeda is on the run” slap in the face kind of thing?

    Pam’s Sunday morning conspiracy thinking!

  157. Is today the Hawaiian birthday or the Kenyan one?

  158. @AlexPappas: Reporters often complain about GOP “obstruction.” Will they blame Obama of same thing if GOP controls House and Senate in 2015?

  159. The McConnell/Bevin/Grimes fight in Ky. is going to be fun to watch; and Grimes looks like she can hold her own against Mitch. yesterday she used this one liner to tag him at an event they all attended in KY.

    “If doctors told McConnell he had a kidney stone he’d refuse to pass it.”

    Ouch! 🙂

  160. Hail to the Chief? Zimbabwean President Robert Mugabe was officially declared president again on Saturday with 61 percent of the vote from Wednesday’s election.

    ACORN has been quite successful after its escape to Africa.

  161. lonestar77 Says:

    “I remember saying during its last couple years on MSNBC that you could write the whole show in your head based on the list of stories in the first minute. ”

    Or from reading the Daily Kos & Media Matters. Mr. Rip & Read was lazy. I can call him lazy right, cuz he’s a whitey?

  162. Has there been any talk anywhere that the reason for all of the intel “chatter” for possible attacks on our embassies/consulates has to do with the fact that today is Obama’s birthday?

    Kind of like “Al Qaeda is on the run” slap in the face kind of thing?

    Pam’s Sunday morning conspiracy thinking!

    I thought that he celebrated his birthday in late December, a week before New Year’s Day.

    Who knows where Obama and his toadies come up with stuff? It’s probably a ruse to shut down the Benghazi hearings, or any other talk of what he calls “phony scandals” that is swirling around the National Disgrace.

  163. Is today the Hawaiian birthday or the Kenyan one?

    I believe the Indonesian one, but don’t quote me on it.

  164. lonestar77 Says:

    Example 1 billion & 7 of the idiocy that occurs when your life revolves around hating FNC and conservatives as well as searching day & night for a way to call someone a racist.

    http://www.mediaite.com/online/flossing-fox-news-todd-starnes-rips-president-obama-for-golfing-on-his-birthday-weekend/

    Of course, the nutjob author leaves out the fact that Reggie Love stated that he’s so close to the POTUS that POTUS flosses in front of him. Gawd this guys is a first class d-bag.

  165. Gawd this guys is a first class d-bag.

    ^^ Are you talking about Starns or Christopher?

  166. A matching set, I would guess.

  167. Gawd this guys is a first class d-bag.

    ^^ Are you talking about Starns or Christopher?

    Or Obama or Love.

  168. Now now, people..we know what happens when you start using the d-word against politicians and media folks on ICN. WHAT’S WITH ALL THE NAME-CALLING?

  169. imnotblue Says:

    So Joe… a show that (and I don’t know why you think it’s supposed to be unbiased… they have a panel of biased people, it’s an opinion show) discusses issues in the media, shouldn’t talk about another media outlet’s opinion page?

    Nonsense.

    If a newspaper signs off on an opinion/editorial, it’s fair game to be discussed. We’ve seen media reviews of editorial and opinion folks for-ever! But more importantly, how YOU define News Watch clearly isn’t how THEY define it. Perhaps you should adjust your definition, and you’ll understand why they talked about that story.

    (PS- Even if you want to stick with your wrong definition, you have to recognize the paper’s failure to correct the information -because this isn’t a story about someone’s opinions, it’s about their incorrect “facts”- falls under the “criticize unbiased media sources” notion. The paper, not just the editorial section, has/had an obligation to tell the truth, regardless of the addition opinion.)

  170. FNW asks their viewers to send in examples of media bias. Call me crazy (go ahead), but I took that to mean the show was about media bias. Using it to defend against some d-bag editorial so the panel can bleat about how wonderful Fox is seems kinda self-serving and silly to me, but YRMV.

  171. Y’all realize Fox News Watch is stupid and fun to complain about, right? If you see me commenting on it, think “Saturday..not much else to talk about”. I’ve been known to toss another log on the fire just to watch the flames. 😉

  172. erich500 Says:

    Fox News Watch = Everybody is biased except Fox News

    Joe News Watch = Nobody is biased except Fox News.

    They cancel each other out (sorta’).

    There’s another log for the bonfire.

  173. Why would that be a cable news story? You got a kid shooting at people at 3am, and the cops dropped him when he wouldn’t disarm. Sounds like proper policework to me.

  174. lonestar77 Says:

    Don’t know much about starnes but from what I’ve seen nothing to indicate anything on the level of TC. But, I guess bipartisan

  175. I had previously gotten a rather poor impression of Starnes, and made the mistake of mostly taking Christopher’s word for it. My bad. Since TX has, just recently, lodged similar charges against Dana Perino, I should have known better. Starnes is still kind of a jerk, but Christopher is a promiscuously race-baiting SOB.

  176. erich500 Says:

    The good doc, Ayman al-Zawahiri, is threatening attacks against us in retaliation for, let’s see, he now says drone attacks and Gitmo.

    It used to be, if I recall, for occupying Islamic lands? Or was it for supporting Israel? Or the Inquisition? Inventing fire? The wheel?

    The list is endless. It’s always s’umpthing.

  177. They hate us because we’re beautiful. Kelly Lebrock was ahead of her time.

  178. erich500 Says:

    al-Zawahiri is the bad doc, Al is the good one.

    Got my docs crossed up.

    I was hoping that wouldn’t happen until I was 70 or so.

  179. I guess if you grade him on that kind of curve, Al’s okay.

  180. imnotblue Says:

    So do you agree with what you’re saying, or are you so lonely, that you’re just trolling ICN, Joe?

    New Watch was well within their right to talk about a newspaper who attacked FNC as being KKK-like, based on false facts, and then refused to actually correct the record. The newspaper in question isn’t from some podunk town in the middle of nowhere.

    Frankly, the story should be reported on by a media-discussion program regardless of what network is/was airing it. It’s a story about a lie-filled offensive editorial, and a newspaper refusing to be honest.

  181. Blue, I have no doubt that Joe is sincere in his irrational dislike of all things FOX. That doesn’t mean that he’s right, just consistent.

  182. Actually, Ayman al-Zawahir is simply trying to impress Jodie Foster or Jodi Arias or mabye Joe DiMaggio.

  183. Yes, by all means let’s go down the creepy “are you lonely, Joe” road, instead of accepting that not everything we discuss here is of EARTHSHATTERING MAJOR IMPORTANCE. Like Fox News Watch.

  184. The end of civilizations will come, not from a war of nations, but a war of religions. The existence of nuclear weapons and willingness to use them will eventually guarantee this. With any luck, I will have drank my last bourbon, spent my last dime, breathed my last breath, and stuck the government with the task of burying me by then.

  185. One wonders how much Rev. Al is still paying for his earlier escapades.
    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/pay_up_time_for_brawley_8q8M98zvpApS46BonCokvI

  186. From the article:

    “Sharpton, now a national figure, has never apologized for his role in the hoax.”

    This fraud of a man who calls himself a preacher has not and won’t ever pay a cent, let alone apologize.

  187. WJ Report used to be on PBS after Inside Washington on Fridays, as I recall. Back in the olden times.

  188. Hard to believe Tawana never got married, right?

  189. Joe, was the McLaughlin group on right after the WSJ Report, or was there a show in between?

  190. My favorite Friday night PBS show was Wall Street Week with Luis Rukheiser

  191. Oops, there it is. I was thinking of Wall Street Week.

  192. I was thinking of the WSJ Report, also. Louis Rukeyser always reminded me of George Washington.

  193. And the other show was/is Washington Week In Review. I think.

  194. I don’t care what you think of The Newsroom – Allison Pill deserves an Emmy for her performance in tonight’s episode.

  195. Politico’s Patrick Gavin hosted RELIABLE SOURCES today. Did a segment on how realistic (or not) THE NEWSROOM is. More interesting was a field piece on newsrooms of well known blogs like HuffPo and Daily Caller.

  196. When Washington Week in Review first came on in 1972 it was hosted by Paul Duke. He came back as a guest host after a power play by Gwen Ifill forced out the current host and raised a stink. When that settled down, Gwen took over and remains so today. The show dropped “in review” about that time. It was the first talkng-pundant show that I recall watching. Initially all newspaper men.

  197. Larry, It was on before that, but I don’t know if it was national on PBS or not. I used to watch it on WETA 26 out of Washington when I was in high school.

  198. Outsider Says:

    JER was on PBS for only 15 months. Good ole Wikipedia.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journal_Editorial_Report
    I think Stossel is a great opinion program in addition to JER and good thing it’s now a regular on FNC. I don’t agree with his extreme libertarian views but it is informative. I don’t watch Huckabee often, but from what I’ve seen, it’s not too bad. I’d say it beats Hannity but that’s not really setting the bar high.

  199. Huckabee is patterned after Christian variety shows like you find on religious channels, which, of course, Pastor Huckabee would be familiar with. It has an “old timey” feel that works for a weekend night, in my opinion.

  200. I don’t care what you think of The Newsroom – Allison Pill deserves an Emmy for her performance in tonight’s episode.

    Yes. That was a searing performance.

  201. “So let’s get this straight. After four and a half years in office with the unemployment rate at 7.4 percent and the economy continuing to stagnate, the president’s master plan is to raise the minimum wage and provide community college job training? Holy hell Obama.”

    DAILY CALLER

  202. imnotblue Says:

    @Joe
    Nothing here is ever “Earth-shattering.” It’ politics and cable news. You can’t take that stuff too seriously.

    But that doesn’t mean that trolling (which you admitted to doing) is a good idea.

  203. I think Fox is mocking us. Number one, Donald Trump. Enough said. Number two, no one knows what ‘cracker’ means. Everyone knows what the other means. The two cases are arguable separately, but it’s typical laziness to try and combine them into Conservative Complaint Salad.
    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/trump-on-fox-if-charlie-rangel-can-say-cracker-then-paula-deen-should-be-able-to-say-the-n-word/

  204. icemannyr Says:

    F&F also had a stupid segment saying Democrats have a war on women because they won’t publicly bash the San Diego Mayor and Anthony Wiener that was laughable.
    FOX & Friends is a comedy show. If you want real news go to CBS The Morning.

  205. Mr. Freeze and I agree on something except I do, and he doesn’t.

    Watch Norah and Charlie and the ex FBI guy. Good stuff.

  206. The co-appearance of Tucker and Trump shows you how far each of them have fallen, especially Carlson. I can’t imagine him not laughing at Trump, five or ten years ago.

  207. CBS THIS MORNING’s signature NEWS IN 90 SECONDS is a treat. You might even see Shep or Billo show up.

  208. Trump is fun. Get over it.

  209. Are his investigators still in Hawaii? I hear that they’re finding amazing things.

  210. He hired the guys from HAWAIIAN EYE not realizing they are 80 years old now.

  211. “stupid segment saying Dems have a war on women because they won’t publicly bash the San Diego Mayor and Anthony Wiener that was laughable.”

    http://t.co/gIZQyYVmSD

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/25/mitt-romney-richard-mourdock_n_2016236.html

    I guess it’s not ‘stupid’ when it was done to Romney

  212. imnotblue Says:

    How do I apply for a job with Trump’s investigative team? I could waste money in Hawaii with the best of them.

  213. I agree with them, in concept, about hitting Dems for a War on Women. That whole thing was a joke, when applied to Republicans, and I’m all for a little payback. I also didn’t see the segment on F&F, so who knows what kind of a stupid mash they made of it.

  214. The point, Blue, is that anyone continuing to rant about “Fox haters” a day after I post about the highly stupid Fox News Watch needs to get a grip. I think most people here got that.

  215. RNC chair Reince Priebus is trying to blackmail CNN and NBC into not doing Hillary biopics by treating to not allow the networks to cosponsor RNC 2016 POTUS debates if they don’t drop their plans for Hillary movies.

    Source: TPM

    I assume this is just an easy way to prod Repubs for donations as if he was serious it would be a beyond laughable threat; considering that Hillary doc the far right put out a few years back.

  216. treating >threating Sorry

  217. Fritz, “blackmail” is such an ugly word.

  218. Remember, people..if you hate Ted Nugent, you hate freedom, America and the First Amendment. I thought this dude would be in jail or dead by now..

    http://www.mediaite.com/online/trayvon-got-justice-ted-nugent-goes-bonkers-on-numb-nuts-critics-who-hate-freedom/

  219. I assume this is just an easy way to prod Repubs for donations as if he was serious it would be a beyond laughable threat; considering that Hillary doc the far right put out a few years back.

    He said a few months back that he didn’t want NBC News airing the debates because he didn’t want MSNBC hosts to analyze the debates and make their candidates look bad.

    CNN concerned with losing White House access by covering. Bengahzi:

    It’s pretty common knowledge this administration has bullied the press which has been largely favorable to him.

  220. I don’t see what the administration is worried about. They already looked ridiculous with the Susan Rice fiasco, and the latest “revelations” (that we knew about months ago) paint them as trying to help the rebels against Assad in Syria.

    It seems to me the more “the truth about Benghazi” comes out, the less “scandal” is there. Maybe they should quit being such secretive a-holes and let CNN do their jobs.

  221. Good idea SparkMaster as CNN isn’t done with the IRS Scandal either:

    FIRST ON CNN: FEC REPUBLICAN TELLS CNN OF NEW IRS LINKS… The vice chairman of the Federal Elections Commission told CNN on Monday he has seen numerous undisclosed e-mails between FEC staffers and the Internal Revenue Service that raise new questions about potential collusion between the two federal agencies in the alleged targeting of conservative political groups.

    – Dana Bash and Alan Silverleib

  222. “Number two, no one knows what ‘cracker’ means.”

    At one time, the term was so benign, baseball teams were named “Crackers.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlanta_Crackers

    “Origin of the team’s name

    According to Tim Darnell, who wrote The Crackers: Early Days of Atlanta Baseball, the origins of the team name is unknown.
    Darnell cites several possibilities as to why this name was chosen:
    A term that means a poor, white southerner.
    Someone who is quick and efficient at a task.
    In reference to plowboys who cracked the whip over animals.
    A shortened version of “Atlanta Firecrackers”, the earlier 1892 minor league team.
    However, this list does not represent the most likely origins of the name. The term “cracker” is derived from the Gaelic “craic”, meaning entertaining conversation or boasting. It was used in the 18th century to denote Irish and Scottish colonists of the Deep South backcountry. The Earl of Dartmouth had this to say in a 1766 correspondence: “I should explain to your Lordship what is meant by Crackers; a name they have got from being great boasters; they are a lawless set of rascalls on the frontiers of Virginia, Maryland, the Carolinas, and Georgia, who often change their places of abode.”
    During the period of Reconstruction following the American Civil War, there was also a political party of the same name. Organized in Augusta, Georgia, this party’s platform was one of “opposition to Catholics and segregation of blacks.”
    While now sometimes used as a derogatory term for a white southerner that promotes racism, it is also used as a term of pride by white southerners to indicate one that is descended from those original settlers of the area. It is much more likely that the Atlanta Crackers derived their name from the more positive usage, indicating they were proud to be Georgians.”

    There were even the Atlanta Black Crackers:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlanta_Black_Crackers

  223. ^ This is why CNN is a news operation and FNC is not. FNC screams bloody murder about the administration at the drop of a hat, but makes very little headway as far as actually investigating what they’re screaming about. The ratings are in TEH OUTRAGE on the opinion shows, so that’s where all the energy goes. Meanwhile, CNN may finally find a conspiracy behind the IRS activity.

  224. “blackmail” is such an ugly word.”

    ^^Maybe, but that’s what he’s doing. If Priebus wants to not have GOP debates on CNN and MSNBC then let him do that and live with the fall out.

    Trying to block a network from broadcasting a show because it might show their opponent in an unfavorable light by threats is either blackmail or extortion and he deserves to be called out on it.

  225. unfavorable>favorable Sorry

  226. This is why CNN is a news operation and FNC is not. FNC screams bloody murder about the administration at the drop of a hat, but makes very little headway as far as actually investigating what they’re screaming about.

    FOX actually does investigate. You just don’t like the results.

  227. Neither blackmail or extortion, Fritz. Just a gutsy protest at the unfairness of the debate carriers. YOU GO, hybrid sounding guy!

  228. Bulletin!
    We have Al Qaeda on the run… AND IT’S CHASING US!

  229. Does anyone remember when Shark Week was about the science of sharks and Discovery Channel was educational? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

  230. That was before the disturbing phenomenon of SharkNados.

  231. imnotblue Says:

    My Kingdom for one SharkWeek program that doesn’t have a narrator using scary narrator voice.

  232. savefarris Says:

    A point I’ve seen kicked around other places: If CNN and/or MSNBC calls off the miniserieses, does that somehow remove the inherent bias in those organizations? If they acquiesce to your demands, then you’re still agreeing to appear on a network(s) that is now admittedly hopelessly biased against you. So what was the point?

    Like always, Republicans are taking a potentially winning message and screwing up tactically.

  233. Unfairness of debate carriers? Hmm, better not have any debates on FNC. This hour-long “documentary” was broadcast on FNC October 5, 2008, one month before the election.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwKq0vJWhmc

  234. Gawd, desperate Joe is losing it! The ‘documentary’ he cites was an episode of Hannity! MSNBC broadcasts hours just as biased every day of the year.

    Joe is having a very bad day.

  235. Hannity’s America to be exact, not the standard Hannity interview show. It’s an hour-long film “exposing a candidate’s dark secrets” a month before the election. Attempts by the right to pretend only “those other bad people” do films about presidential candidates is silly.

  236. Apples and oranges.

  237. Listen to Pretend President’s speech of a couple month’s ago on the “end of the war on terror”. Then just watch the news today of the embassy closings and command links between the Al Qaeda branches, and ask yourself, is this guy just plain stupid?

  238. Uh, no. All networks do films about presidential candidates. Keeping it to 60 minutes and having Sean Hannity narrate it does not change that it’s a film. In this case, it was a month before the election. The Hillary films Reince is throwing a fit over are going to be released years before. It’s a dumb thing to whine about unless FNC intends to stop doing docs about candidates.

  239. icemannyr Says:

    “CNN concerned with losing White House access by covering. Bengahzi”
    That’s interesting because I noticed a promo today for this,
    The CNN documentary “The truth about Benghazi: An OutFront special investigation” airing Tuesday 10p ET.

  240. Yeah buddy, closing embassies and getting people the hell outta there is NOT a proper security precaution when a terrorist attack is imminent. Maybe YOU should grab some guards and hang out there for a few days..

    http://www.mediaite.com/online/gop-rep-gohmert-hammers-obama-over-embassy-closures-makes-us-look-like-a-bunch-of-cowards/

  241. ^^ that’s the point fool.

  242. Msnbc did a documentary profiling Governor Romney before the election that was very favorable. I don’t see Reince Priebus complaining about that.

    They’re so scared of Hillary it’s not even funny.

  243. They’re so scared of Hillary it’s not even funny.

    Assuming that she actually runs, how are they going to polish that turd that was her term of Secretary of State? Can you name just one accomplishment?

  244. Tar baby.

    I wonder how many here who don’t understand the term will think that it’s racist?

  245. Assuming that she actually runs, how are they going to polish that turd that was her term of Secretary of State? Can you name just one accomplishment?

    You’re confusing me with a Hillary supporter. I don’t even think she’ll win the Democratic Primary. Meanwhile, Republicans are scared as crap about her running.

  246. I wasn’t saying that you supported her, I was saying that, if she runs, she has a ton of baggage from her term at State. The “can you name” was generic. We are talking three years to go before the elections, and I don’t think that she will be healthy enough to run.

  247. That’s the whole point of this. It’s not even known if she’ll run yet. So far, the only person that’s planning a run that we know of is Governor O’Malley from Maryland. It was an incredibly stupid thing for Reince Priebus to do. For all we know, the documentaries might slam her handling of Benghazi.

  248. For all we know, the documentaries might slam her handling of Benghazi.

    It’s a pretty safe bet that they won’t.

Leave a Reply

Please log in using one of these methods to post your comment:

WordPress.com Logo

You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Log Out /  Change )

Google photo

You are commenting using your Google account. Log Out /  Change )

Twitter picture

You are commenting using your Twitter account. Log Out /  Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out /  Change )

Connecting to %s

%d bloggers like this: