Free For All: 12/18/13

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305 Responses to “Free For All: 12/18/13”

  1. I bought 6 quick picks and didn’t match a single number. Winning ticket purchased in San Jose.

  2. And one in Georgia.

    Joe & Laura?

  3. National Tax on Stupidity.

  4. remember when a “shopping day” was different from any other day?

  5. National Tax on Stupidity.

    Is this a comment on something?

  6. I played 4 games and didn’t get a single number.

  7. And one in Georgia. Joe & Laura?

    I played 4 games and didn’t get a single number.

    I don’t even know how to play it, but Laura said she buy me socks for Christmas if she won.😉

  8. ^ LOL, Joe.

  9. I did not play as the odd are higher I become a liberal than winning more than I lose.

  10. National Tax on Stupidity.

    “Is this a comment on something?”

    might be as you don’t seem to understand it.

  11. might be as you don’t seem to understand it.

    I’m not interested in being called “stupid” on a blog. Find something to do besides personal attacks, troll.

  12. LOL –You started it troll-slayer. I thought my response appropriate.

  13. ^purists take note: Only comment thus far on cable news. I do expect Fox bashing to start soon, however.

  14. Comment on cable news. Just to dilute the endless..whatever that is.
    http://www.politisite.com/2013/12/17/fox-news-santa-is-white-racial-agitation/

  15. didn’t take long

    “usual panel of hacks”

  16. I thought my response appropriate.

    You were incorrect. Your first contribution to this Free For All was to call people stupid, which makes you a troll who appears to be here solely to agitate and berate. You’re wasting your time.

  17. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    I thought we had moved on from Santa being a whitey to Christie and Cuomo conspiring to make the George Washington Bridge into a fishing pier.

  18. That GWB story keeps getting odder. The guys who resigned have lawyers now.

  19. Think we are still lingering Nix.

  20. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    The guys who resigned have lawyers now.

    Perhaps they plan on suing. Nobody likes their name dragged thru the mud by the media.

  21. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    Think we are still lingering Nix.

    Yet nobody worries about the working conditions of the elves. Are they slaves? And does Massa Santa take advantage of the women folk?

  22. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    And, no, I have no idea what race the elves are, although rumor has it that they are Oompa Loompa

  23. The Obamacare advertising team has to be run by sleeper agents controlled by a radical anti-Obamacare group. Has to.

  24. Devil: “What can I offer for that soul of yours?”

    “Make me a great campaigner!”

    Devil: “But you won’t be good at anything else.”

    “I don’t care! just do it.”

  25. Record High in U.S. Say Big Government Greatest Threat
    Now 72% say it is greater threat than big business or big labor

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/166535/record-high-say-big-government-greatest-threat.aspx?utm_source=alert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=syndication&utm_content=morelink&utm_term=All

    Give liberals enough rope and they’ll hang themselves… and the country too.

  26. LS, I have the same theory about Obama’s Twitter. There’s some straight-up Tea Party fool running that joint.

  27. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    LS, I have the same theory about Obama’s Twitter. There’s some straight-up Tea Party fool running that joint.

    Nah. It’s just a typical Obama operation.

  28. I haven’t seen much of his twitter though my comment above was in relation to that weird dude in his onsie jammies drinking hot chocolate that went out across Obama’s twitter.

  29. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    that weird dude in his onsie jammies drinking hot chocolate that went out across Obama’s twitter.

    Dude? I thought that was Rachel Maddow. I gotta get new glasses.

  30. (as any fool could tell, but they do try to paper over it)

    Journalist consensus: Media lean left

    Top journalists from The New York Times, NBC News and CNN acknowledged Wednesday that, generally speaking, the national media have a liberal bias.

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2013/12/journalist-consensus-media-leans-left-179852.html

  31. Which is why FOX is an important counterbalance to the mainstream.

  32. “Tonight on ‘The Factor’
    A shocking O’Reilly Factor investigation reveals how Planned Parenthood is hurting America.”

    Who wants to bet this is going to be another hidden camera setup job by some conservative group?

  33. Amazing how easy they are to make.

  34. Which is why FOX is an important counterbalance to the mainstream.

    Too bad they practice lying BS “journalism”.

  35. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    “Tonight on ‘The Factor’
    A shocking O’Reilly Factor investigation reveals how Planned Parenthood is hurting America.”

    Who wants to bet this is going to be another hidden camera setup job by some conservative group?

    I’m sure that one of your favorite propaganda outlets will have Kermit Gosnell on to provide an opposing view

    And, yes, I know that he wasn’t with Planned Parenthood. But I wouldn’t be surprised if some of their “providers” hadn’t done the same thing.

  36. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    Which is why FOX is an important counterbalance to the mainstream.

    Too bad they practice lying BS “journalism”.

    At least they haven’t doctored 911 tapes to cause racial discord like “The Place for Politics.”

    Lean Forward, Comrades.

  37. There’s more “Happy Holidays” promos on FNC.
    WAR ON CHRISTMAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  38. Talk about repetitive. Before Thanksgiving FNC whined about the Obamcare ad campaign to have people talk about getting signed up heath insurance during the holidays and today they are whining about the same ad campaign.

    This being the top story on The Five and Greta’s show is comical.
    No real news to cover today?

  39. “No real news to cover today?”

    ^^ Real news is hard to cover well. You need talented people. repetitive attacks on Obama can be done by idiots and often are.

  40. Another devastating expose of Rachel Maddow’s ‘pure propaganda’…
    http://dailyhowler.blogspot.com/2013/12/previously-enormous-story-gets-bigger.html

  41. Now if one were to pull a stand alone Fox-hater statement at random:
    “Too bad they practice lying BS “journalism”.
    is a pretty good example of the genre wherever it’s found.

  42. Christie has more important things to worry about that good reporting can give him a black eye:
    http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2013/12/moodys_lowers_nj_debt_outlook_to_negative_citing_slow_recovery.html

  43. Now if one were to pull a stand alone Fox-hater statement at random

    You provided a stand-alone “Fox is swell” statement, and got the requisite blowback. Tough it out, Fox Victim.

  44. “and got the requisite blowback”

    Your mission here?

  45. My mission here is to talk about cable news, not start the day calling people stupid, then go on a ridiculous defense of a TV channel as if it’s a religion that needs to be protected from The Bad Hater People. You’re a troll – probably a planted one – who never has anything positive to contribute. All you do here is mess with people. It’s your bizarre idea of fun.

  46. That’s an attack I won’t accept. Just more of the same old drama.

  47. O’Reilly’s explosive investigation is that Planned Parenthood has $600 million left over from their 2012-2013 budget.
    It’s basically his same old complaining about wanting to know where Planned Parenthood gets its money and where it’s going to.
    This really nothing new here just O’Riley complaining qbout an organization he doesn’t like.

  48. Sure gets testy when Maddow gets called for being a political hack propagandist. But he doesn’t refute any points in the posts!

  49. I confess my tongue in cheek view of lottery players is hardly my own as I heard it multiple times on cable this morning and well:
    https://www.google.com/search?q=lottery+a+tax+on+stupidity&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari

    but the overreaction is ridiculous

  50. Any thoughts on the situation your fellow Californians are having to deal with?

    http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2013/12/18/with-the-clock-ticking-covered-california-mails-flawed-letters-to-114000-households/

    Just another glitch, I guess.

  51. White Santa getting push off the liberal outrage platform as Duck Dynasty guy gets the fascist treatment:

    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/we-should-ridicule-duck-dynasty-stars-views-on-homosexuality-but-suspend-him-come-on/

  52. I do not watch this show. I cannot stand the marketing of this show. The man has a right to believe what he believes, and they should take their “dynasty” to some other network. I’m sure they can find one.
    http://www.redstate.com/2013/12/18/ultimately-there-will-be-no-option-for-silence-or-the-sidelines-you-will-be-made-to-care/

  53. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    Sure gets testy when Maddow gets called for being a political hack propagandist. But he doesn’t refute any points in the posts!

    When you don’t have answers, you attack the one who brought the item up.

  54. When you don’t have answers, you attack the one who brought the item up.

    I did not respond in any way to the Maddow link. It would have been silly to as I didn’t read it. My comments to the troll were not related to Rachel Maddow at all.

  55. I do not watch this show. I cannot stand the marketing of this show. The man has a right to believe what he believes, and they should take their “dynasty” to some other network. I’m sure they can find one.

    Redstate conveniently leaves out the more..shall we say..descriptive parts of the interview. Duck Dynasty Guy has every right to his manner of speaking, and A&E has every right to not like it.

  56. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    Should’ve read it, Joe. Even if you don’t comment, you never know what you might or might not learn.

  57. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    I’ve never watched “Duck Dynasty.” Is it that hothead lunatic Daffy or that foul-mouthed pervert Donald, who refuses to wear pants?

  58. I’ve never watched Duck Dynasty, though the younger folks in my extended family say they like it. I just don’t like bullies, never did since seventh grade when I picked one up in a fireman’s carry and threw him down a hill. This overreaction to a comment reflects badly on the g@y cause.

  59. I never said that A&E didn’t have the “right” to do whatever. I said that they ought to take their “family” and find another network that isn’t afraid to piss off the Left. Surely there’s a few left.

  60. Uh, the man referenced bestiality, then threw in some ignorant crap about “the blacks never complained during Jim Crow”. “The Left” has every right to be a little irritated about those words, and “the Right” might have a quibble, too.

  61. Bye Bye White Santa. Hello new infatuation.

  62. Hey Lar, how about commenting on a subject, instead of making inane comments about other commenters? Just for different. If you don’t like the subject, then shut up.

  63. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    the man referenced bestiality

    Strange things happen out in the swamp.

  64. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    Can’t we all get along for Christmas.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77s9d6nWq0w

  65. I like Duck Dynasty. It’s funny and much more entertaining Survivor, American Idol, the rest of the reality TV crap and that god awful Modern Family show.

  66. Laura, that made no sense.

  67. “Can’t we all get along for Christmas.”

    You mean The Holidays?

  68. Phil didn’t say “the blacks never complained during Jim Crow”. He was talking about what he saw growing up in his small town in rural Louisiana.

  69. Disney owns 50% of A&E Channels which nclude:

    A&E
    Bio
    Crime & Investigation Network
    History
    H2
    History en Español
    Lifetime
    LMN
    Lifetime Real Women
    Military History

    A big chunk of now poison Duck Dynasty Territory.

    No way these guys want. n’s Andrew Sullivan leading a protest at DISNEYLAND against anti-g@y ducks.

  70. Doesn’t matter now what he did or didn’t say, Lnestar. Facts don’t matter now.

  71. Don Lemon did a good segment on it. They talked about Sarah Palin, who supports ‘Phil’, and thinks he shouldn’t be fired for exercising his “free speech”. Seems that her stance on “free speech” is flexible, of late.
    Ben Ferguson, dorky conservative, actually ripped the old guy pretty good for saying what he said, and the way he said it. He doesn’t expect corporations to want to be associated with that, and thinks the family is probably quite upset.. and that ‘Phil’ should be fired. So there ya go. As far as the racial stuff, I’ve heard that sort of thing, but generally amongst people passing their eighth decade.

  72. Well, he’s doomed if Palin stuck up for him.

  73. The family was there when he said it. Didn’t Ferguson actually read the article before talking about it on TV?

  74. Mob has control, Lonestar. Like gun control, the no nothing’s are making the calls for now.

  75. The best part of Lemon’s show (and Don doesn’t think he should be fired) was when Gay Liberal said that the show should be canceled. Because #Tolerance.

  76. The best part of Lemon’s show (and Don doesn’t think he should be fired) was when G@y Liberal said that the show should be canceled. Because #Tolerance.

  77. They were discussing the issue like adults. I believe that Ferguson was expressing a view that talking about people this way isn’t helpful to anyone, and certainly not to conservative Christians. But you go right ahead with your drivel about “mobs” and “no” nothings.

  78. LS, I paraphrased what the old coot said about blacks. His point was that he “never heard them complain” before the Civil Rights Movement. No fooling. Black people didn’t complain to white people about their lot in life in those days. ‘Cause pride and safety. It was a ridiculous comment.

  79. This is also true.
    Tim Wells ‏@RightWingNerd
    GLAAD flipped out over @DuckDynastyAE but not #AlecBaldwin because it’s not the comments they care about. It’s Phil’s faith and politics.

  80. Reason to banish duck people
    1. hate blacks
    2. hate gays
    3. talk about beasility

    seems like a no brainer.

    If I were a betting man, I’d bet they think Santa and Jesus are white.

  81. My in-laws are/were the nicest people you’ll ever meet, but they were utterly blind to the world around them in the fifties and sixties. This is no different, except for the guy being 20 years younger. And I’m sure that his family has heard him go on about this sort of thing in the past, but you don’t exactly bust on your elders now, do you?

  82. FOX is intolerant too. They should be shut down.

  83. I’ve enjoyed Duck Dynasty for a while, although this past year they’ve over-marketed themselves and the plots have become irritatingly over-scripted. A&E had to know when they put him out there for promotional interviews that someone was eventually going to ask this question and what Phil Robertson’s answer was going to be. It isn’t in his nature to (ahem) duck the question.

    A&E should have simply issued a statement that his views are his alone and left it at that. While they are certainly within their right to suspend Roberston, and doing so does not violate his free speech right, at some point we need to start insisting that in America such controversial opinions will be actively supported.

    As for the racial bs, the show’s lead character, Willie Robertson, has a multi-racial family.

  84. You’re completely missing his point, Joe. He said they all worked together in the fields an he never heard anyone complain about whitey and he never witnessed mistreatment. It’s what he knows because he lived it. Poor white folks and poor black folks in rural parts of the country at that time were more alike than different. At least from the stories I’ve read and heard first hand from family.

  85. “As for the racial bs, the show’s lead character, Willie Robertson, has a multi-racial family.”

    Yeah, well, Phil probably hates his Grandson because convenient narrative and racism and stuff.

  86. Um, my in-laws lived in Selma. They were of the general opinion that MLK was a troublemaker. “Firsthand accounts” have their drawbacks.

  87. To further his point that you missed, he was talking about a (simpler) time when he believes more people were God fearing which he equates with happiness. He said something to the affect that they were Godly & happy. He said no one was singing the blues. They were all just out there working hard. Another thing that he equates with happiness.

  88. …at some point we need to start insisting that in America such controversial opinions will be actively supported.

    Uh, no..that’s PC hooey. We can “actively support” Christians having a religious issue with h0m0sexuality, but that show is broadcast into homes containing actual h0m0sexuals. If you’re gonna trot out bestiality as a reference for these folks, you damn well better expect TV Boss to sit you down for a while. That word – plus the other highly graphic references to sexual activity – were not necessary.

  89. Not sure I get your point, Laura.

  90. “If you’re gonna trot out bestiality as a reference for these folks”

    Can’t wait for the adulterer crowd to cry about being lumped in with “bestiality”. Surely Bill Clinton will stage a protest tomorrow.

  91. “Not sure I get your point, Laura.”

    you too, huh?

  92. Can’t wait for the adulterer crowd to cry about being lumped in with “bestiality”. Surely Bill Clinton will stage a protest tomorrow.

    I don’t know what that means.

    Here’s the deal, and why Robertson got suspended: My daughter is g@y. You profess to be against that sort of thing, well that’s fine and who asked ya anyway. You start tossing around words like “bestiality” and I’m gonna kick your a**. See what I’m saying?

  93. he was talking about a (simpler) time

    For him it was a simpler time. So simple that he failed to see just how not simple it was for far too many around him.

    One of my pet peeves is the use of “intolerance” to be synonymous with expressing disapproval. If everyone approves of a certain lifestyle then there’s no need for anyone to be tolerant.

    That word – plus the other highly graphic references to sexual activity – were not necessary.

    Assuming that Mr. Robertson’s answers to the questions represent his honest opinion, if you are offended by his words that is your problem. There is no legal or ethical right to be free from being offended. If anything, your beef might be with GQ for choosing to include that part of the interview in their article.

  94. There is no legal or ethical right to be free from being offended. If anything, your beef might be with GQ for choosing to include that part of the interview in their article.

    I don’t have to be free from being offended, and Robertson isn’t free to be a creepy jerk in an interview without consequences. You say that stuff at a party..the host may toss you on your arse. That’s the parameters of free speech, and I’m fine with it. I’m not calling for anyone to be fired, and I have no issue if A&E decides to do it anyway. It’s their channel, their show, and they’ll do what’s best for both.

  95. The “point” is that your family, like mine, probably had little direct knowledge of what it was to be a ‘negro’ in those times. According to mine, everything was great because of the way THEY treated people. And the Civil Rights crowd was a bunch of outside agitators with loose morals who messed up traffic.
    “Point” is, family is occasionally full of it.

  96. Bullied into it. That’s the deal.

  97. I doubt Robertson growing up in the sticks detached from the outside world knew much more about “life experiences” then what he experienced with those around him. He saw what he saw. And just because someone somewhere else experienced something different, doesn’t make what he saw not true.

  98. “For him it was a simpler time. So simple that he failed to see just how not simple it was for far too many around him.”

    But how does anyone know it wasn’t “simple” for too many around him? Who are these people who weren’t around then to say he is wrong about what he experienced?

  99. But how does anyone know it wasn’t “simple”

    HELLO? No offence, lonestar, but please engage brain.

  100. FWIW, I also have a daughter who is g@y and am quite confident that this single dad raised her well. Her take on the matter is, “If the words of an otherwise sweet old man are enough to throw you into a tizzy, then your problems in life go way beyond anything he was talking about.”

  101. “HELLO? No offence, lonestar, but please engage brain.”

    Not all places are the same. A rural community in the 50’s where everyone was poor and where most people were solely focused on making it day to day is lot different than an urban environment where race issues may have been the predominant theme.

    If you weren’t there, you can’t tell him what he said is incorrect based on horror stories you read in a text book.

  102. I’m not “in a tizzy”. I could hardly care less about this, but it’s on the menu tonight and I’m voicing The Opinions (as opposed to that one guy who’s bleating something incoherent about bullies). The bottom line is A&E thinks it’s offensive and not something they’re happy having their little backwoods family show associated with, and they made their move.

  103. If you weren’t there, you can’t tell him what he said is incorrect based on horror stories you read in a text book.

    An old white guy is in no position to speak for pre-Civil Right’s Era black people, and probably should stay out of it. You want to know what they thought back then? Ask an old black person. Come on, man!

  104. “Being in a tizzy” would not be about you, silly man.

    If you weren’t there, you can’t tell him what he said is incorrect

    Sure I can. You made the “simpler time” assertion. He speaks of that now with the wisdom of a 67y-o man who did very well for himself in college and is no dummy to what life was really like.

    I have no problem with using one hand to defend his opinion of faith and encouraging him to speak of it while simultaneously smacking him with the other for choosing to be oblivious to what others had to go through during that time. I’ve read the same Book and that’s in there, too.

  105. “You want to know what they thought back then? Ask an old black person.”

    Fine. Find one that Robertson worked with. What some other old black person from some other part of the world says is irrelevant.

    People who come from similar situations tend to see things similarly. I don’t think a dirt poor white person who lived in a house with no electricity or plumbing and who almost never ventured into town was abundantly more excited about life because they had their own special water fountains and bathrooms in a town somewhere they never visited.

    You think someone who grew up picking cotton on someone else’s land only to return home to a house with no electricity or running water was infinitely more happy than someone else in the same situation because their skin color was white? Those kind of people had their faith and their family. That’s it. No matter what color they were. The evolving world taking place elsewhere was likely meaningless.

  106. “while simultaneously smacking him with the other for choosing to be oblivious to what others had to go through during that time.”

    I don’t think you have any understanding of what it means to live the way he did growing up.

  107. I don’t think you have any understanding of what it means to live the way he did growing up.

    I don’t think you understand how silly it is for a white person to claim he knows what blacks in his neighborhood 50 years ago were saying in their homes.

  108. I don’t question the perception of a young boy growing up dirt poor. I do challenge his choice to continue looking at that time in his life from those same young eyes when he’s more than half a century older and wiser.

    how silly it is for a white person to claim

    I don’t have to be a woman in order to hold a valid opinion of what it’s like to be beaten by a creep husband. I don’t have to be a g@y boy to know what it feels like to be sneered at by the ‘in’ crowd at school. I don’t have to be a Vietnamese child to know the sense of horror that comes with napalm burning through my flesh. I don’t have to be a sick old man to feel the humiliation of crapping myself in a hospital waiting room in front of my children. I don’t have to be black in order to have a sense of what it felt like 50 years ago in the kind of neighbourhood I might be somewhat familiar with.

  109. I don’t have to be black in order to have a sense of what it felt like 50 years ago in the kind of neighbourhood I might be somewhat familiar with.

    I’m sorry, Al, but you have to have been black 50 years ago to know if black people complained to each other about this country’s treatment of them. This is simply not something a white person would have heard, and it’s the premise of Robertson’s statement. He said he never heard it. Of course not..that would have been almost unthinkable at the time.

  110. There are things you just don’t say, even if you think it might be true. Phil Robertson’s remarks about black people falls in that scope. You’re not in Monroe, Louisiana anymore, Mr. Robertson.

  111. Is there something unique about blacks that makes them so different from all other human kind that the our natural and highly-developed mental abilities just can’t perceive what they’ve experienced? That’s ludicrous.

    If Mr. Robertson had made that statement fifty years ago then his lack of understanding would be understandable especially if, as you say, that’s not something he would have heard. But he said it in this day when he’s had plenty of years to learn what he once didn’t know, and he has the… God-given ability to feel what others may have felt. If he does not know It is not because he isn’t black; he doesn’t know because he has chosen not to.

  112. No, you are wrong. He said he didn’t hear it, and parlayed that “knowledge” into “it didn’t happen”. He didn’t hear it then, and doesn’t know now. Period.

  113. So I have been called a plant today, a troll, incoherent, and told to shut up.

    Good news is the bullies are more civil.

  114. We were being kind, and it was yesterday. Troll.

  115. Move over Santa!
    From FNC’s coverage of Phil Robertson,
    their opinion is that it’s not fair Phil Robertson got suspended for speaking his religious beliefs while other celebrities who made anti g@y comments got a pass.

    Jenna Lee in a debate segment was complaining about the author of the GQ Article saying “He approached it like an anthropologist seeing these strange bearded men from Louisiana who have FOX News on and sell duck calls, who have a cache of deadly weapons, who is suprised the reporting in this piece that they don’t sell rifles. Shocked that they don’t sell rifles.”
    She was putting out her opinion as a question, did the author want to mock a southern Christian.
    That was funny because she’s supposed to be the moderator of the debate and not give her opinion.

  116. savefarris Says:

    So to sum it all up…

    Duck guy is getting suspended for having the same opinion on g_ys as Barack Obama did in 2011.

  117. Sure, Farris. Obama totes said h0m0sexuality is a sin and leads to bestiality. That happened.

  118. People are going to spin the Phil Robertson incident to fit their political agenda. Some on the g@y rights side are going to say he was intolerant and should not have made the comment.

    Some on the conservative side are going to put this into the “war on Christians” and not being able to speak about their faith.

    The bottom line is when you are the star of a popular reality show keep your personal opinions to yourself.
    It’s not as if the GQ writer tricked him into making those comments.

    Meanwhile cable news covers this over other real news.

  119. It’s the dumbest controversy in the history of controversies. People have a right to opinions; other people have a right to complain; the boss has a right to suspend you. That’s it.

  120. The bottom line is when you are the star of a popular reality show keep your personal opinions to yourself.

    Unless, of course, you’re promoting the liberal brand. (g_y rights, amnesty, anti-war, drug legalization, Trayvon, p__p in Sarah Palin’s mouth, etc.) In which case, here’s a microphone to better spread “your” message!

  121. Phil didn’t say it was a sin that leads to bestiality either. But that’s what always happens in these situations. People ignore the actual words or purpose behind them to scream an ism.

  122. Good luck explaining to g@y people and Phil’s boss that putting “h0m0sexuality” and “bestiality” in the same sentence wasn’t equating the two. The dude decided to blurt that idiocy out, and he’s paying the price for it. Stuff happens.

  123. don’t be surprised to Christian groups boycotting and picketing Disney:
    http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/istandwithphilcom-launches-petition-reinstate-papa-phil

  124. Wherein we have the spectacle of people who demanded Martin Bashir be fired now petitioning a boycott because people are demanding Phil Roberson be fired.

    This is one of the reasons I hopped off the “fire people” train: You invariably end up cornered by your own self-righteousness.

  125. “New FOX News Poll…”
    How many days of programming segments is FNC going to do based this FOX News poll?

    To start a news hour with a FOX News Alert based on a poll is just silly. Polls are opinions they are not news and should not be the first segment of a newscast.

  126. Joe, Laura, and Larry…go hsve an egg nog or feed a reindeer or something. Tis the season of cheer and you all are getting on each others nerves again. There is more to life than this blog and more to live for than internet pissing matches.

  127. God bless us, everyone.

  128. The last airing of AC360 Later was December 5.
    TVN asked about the status of the show and CNN declined to comment.
    Having AC360 from 8pm on again at 10pm can’t be a good lead in for the 11pm shows.

  129. Polls are opinions they are not news and should not be the first segment of a newscast.

    Ice, when you’re right, you’re right. There’s no excuse for such behavior.

  130. Yes, let’s just pretend that we’re all equally guilty and move on. I’m up for that.

  131. I’ll agree it’s not just FNC. All the news channel being obsessed with poll results is annoying.

  132. Fox News Alert: All polls released between now and Sep. 2014 are meaningless. Here’s video of kittens.

  133. Just tried calling A & E to express my opinion on the Duck Dynasty thing and all you get is a message that “This is the A & E Network, our hours are … ” and then a disconnect!

    Guess they were getting too many phone calls and don’t want to hear from anyone pro or con.

    1-212-210-1400.

    Poor A & E – :’-(

  134. Poor A&E. Now even more people will watch to find out what all the fuss is about. Pity.

  135. I read something on Mediaite that I can actually agree with. Not often that happens.

    http://www.mediaite.com/online/fire-phil-robertson-but-defraud-amazon-the-dubious-ethics-of-the-left/

  136. I am not surprised. This is exactly the kind of students we have around here telling us what is good for us all the time.

    http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2013/12/19/revealed-pajama-boy-is-an-ofa-employee-who-attended-uw-madison/

  137. Poor A&E. They’re gonna lose 10 million viewers when the contract is up and the Robertson clan moves their show over to CMT or RFD-TV or any other network that wants 10 million guaranteed viewers and will give them complete control over the show.

  138. First Maddow, and now O’Donnell’s smears of Chris Christie exposed as hack partisan propaganda:

    http://dailyhowler.blogspot.com/2013/12/chris-christie-said-he-invented-internet.html

    What’s with these people, are they that afraid of Christie? Don’t they know the g@ys are roasting duck?

  139. I can see it, the Al Duckzera Network!

    in HD.

  140. Disney is the dog wagging the A&E tail. The morality of a young girl living with seven midgets has always been suspect.

  141. Balcony collapse at Apollo Theatre in London. Everyone, except Fox “News”, is live.

  142. I started out ticked about the Duck Up, and the immediate reaction to it. Now I realize that A&E did the best possible thing, especially as compared with MSNBC. They addressed the problem, got it out of the way, and will most likely move on from it, cast intact. MS just couldn’t be seen publicly berating Mr Bashir, so they wound up pushing him. Perhaps his relative benefit to them had something to do with it. Ya think?

  143. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    Disney is the dog wagging the A&E tail. The morality of a young girl living with seven midgets has always been suspect.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdafEf3-T3I

  144. “They addressed the problem, got it out of the way”

    No they didn’t. It’s just starting.

  145. savefarris Says:

    So … is A&E going to be consistent in their suspension policy?

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/12/19/gXy-ae-stars-not-suspended-for-expressing-preference-for-man-ass

    (replace X with you-know-what)

  146. I don’t care how you spell it, we don’t need that kind of language here. Posting the Breitbart headline is out of line.

  147. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    So … is A&E going to be consistent in their suspension policy?

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/12/19/gXy-ae-stars-not-suspended-for-expressing-preference-for-man-ass

    (replace X with you-know-what)

    Are you kidding? Only certain approved groups are allowed to express their opinions. According to the Left, tolerance means “believe what I say to believe or else.”

  148. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    Lean Forward.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4zYlOU7Fpk

  149. Conservative Andrea Tantaros is in the group that believes the comments were offensive.

    Frankly the comment about blacks being happier before civil rights was just as offensive.

  150. Frankly the comment about blacks being happier before civil rights was just as offensive.

    I think that’s actiually the one that pushed A&E to make a move. That Phil guy went out of his way to express his thoughts on h0m0sexuality, welfare and black folks in particularly offensive ways. Duck Dynasty is a mainstream family-oriented show with a huge presence at Walmart and such: We’re not talking about some yahoo on a rightwing blog or radio show.

  151. ^ I thought that, too. For better or worse, a retro view of The G-y is more acceptable than nostalgizing Jim Crow.

  152. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    Remember, Comrades, clear all comments with your local Party Commissar.

  153. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    I thought that, too. For better or worse, a retro view of The G-y is more acceptable than nostalgizing Jim Crow.

    Mabye he had Jim Crow and Old Crow mixed up.

  154. Remember, Comrades, clear all comments with your local Party Commissar.

    It would help if the people moralizing about sex weren’t quite so creepy with their language about it. Kinda defeats the purpose, dontcha think?

  155. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    Remember, Comrades, clear all comments with your local Party Commissar.

    It would help if the people moralizing about sex weren’t quite so creepy with their language about it. Kinda defeats the purpose, dontcha think?

    What in God’s name are you talking about? Where in the hell did I moralize about sex? Go fight with Laura and Larry. Don’t drag me into your little drama.

  156. What in God’s name are you talking about? Where in the hell did I moralize about sex?

    Phil Robertson and Breitbart is what I’m talking about. We got signals crossed at some point there.

  157. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    Phil Robertson and Breitbart is what I’m talking about. We got signals crossed at some point there.

    The only comments that I made about either were snide. I sure as hell wasn’t moralizing. I simply do not care about the sex lives of others. It’s none of my business.

  158. I’ll have another eggnog. Make it a double.

  159. Nixon, I thought you were commenting about my commenting. Forget it, it twas confusion.

    My point is, was, and will be that folks in the media practicing sexual moralizing would be better suited to not be gross about it in the process. “Bestiality” and “preference for man a**” are creepy ways to tell people you don’t agree with how they live their lives.

  160. Now he’s nostalgizing about Jim Crow? That’s why I love these stories.

    It’s like the exercise we did in my 10th grade speech class. We formed a line, the teacher told a quick story to the first person who in turn relayed it to the next and so forth. By the end, the story was a complete wreck compared to the original.

    That’s how we end up with Phil Robertson talking about folks he hoed cotton with to “nostalgizing about Jim Crow”.

    Racist! As the GLAAD spokesman said on CNN today.

    It’s prolly just me but I completely the missed the part where he said “Segregated bathrooms make me happy, happy, happy!”.

  161. Shorter version of the Robertson story:

    “Devout Christian believes what the Bible says”.

    If only we could find a nice re-education camp to send that 67 year-old self-described “bible thumper” to. Problem solved.

  162. Here’s the full quote I’m referring to,
    “I never, with my eyes, saw the mistreatment of any black person. Not once. Where we lived was all farmers. The blacks worked for the farmers. I hoed cotton with them. I’m with the blacks, because we’re white trash. We’re going across the field…. They’re singing and happy. I never heard one of them, one black person, say, ‘I tell you what: These doggone white people’—not a word!… Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues.”
    http://www.gq.com/entertainment/television/201401/duck-dynasty-phil-robertson#ixzz2nyAaATup

  163. I couldn’t possibly give any fewer cares about duck man. Never been so bored with social media in my life.

  164. Just not the fun of FOX-bashing is it?

  165. Wonder if tonight will be the night Megyn apologizes, even a fake one?

    Seems so long ago.

  166. Goldie Taylor said they sang spirituals in the fields to keep their spirits up. Some old white guy translating this as “they were happy” is just ridiculous. Anybody can be happy at some point in a particular day, even if their circumstances suck, but generalizing to “this is a happy person, everything is fine” makes no sense at all. Phil Robertson does not know what he’s talking about.

  167. Is there a race on TV somewhere? This sucks.

  168. So now Dem hack Goldie Taylor knows they were singing spirituals in the field? She wasn’t there any more than Robertson was!

  169. Yes, singing spirituals in the fields is historical fact, which Robertson can tell you firsthand. Neither Goldie nor Phil can attest to how “happy” those people were when they were singing them. Robertson is an idiot.

  170. Yeah, what would Goldie Taylor know about Black History? No, we should listen to Phil Robertson and my in-laws, because that wouldn’t be totally fcking stupid.

  171. Just because Goldie Taylor is black assumes she is an expert in black history? That’s almost racist.

    Me, I know about Irish history as soon as I Google it.

  172. There’s the answer to my question about who’s going to do a segment complaining about liberals getting a pass for their comments,
    “Thursday on ‘Hannity’
    Sarah Palin reacts to the latest controversy surrounding the suspension of ‘Duck Dynasty’ patriarch Phil Robertson from A&E
    Plus, our panel debates the media double standard that exists when left-wingers make controversial comments.”

  173. Robinson is an idiot and stupid. Pretty much settles that.

  174. Yes, by all means let’s hear from Sarah Palin about how terrible it is that people get in trouble for saying terrible things. This should be fascinating.

  175. What’s on LOD, ICE?

  176. Betcha Goldie Taylor thinks George Washington Carver was a Revolutionary War whittler.

  177. Lawrence O’Donnell ‏@Lawrence 16m
    What’s the stupidest thing Duck Dynasty guy said? Hint: it’s not what he got fired for. Answer @TheLastWord at 10pm

    The Last Word ‏@TheLastWord 55m
    @Eugene_Robinson, @DavidCornDC, Frank Schaefer and his son, Tim Schaefer, @TheReidReport and @finneyk will join the #lastword tonight!

  178. Is Duck on everyone’s plate, ICE?

  179. I have the TV off.

  180. Bet you won’t get this swell piece of workers-paradise news on MSNBC:

    HAVANA (Reuters) — For the first time since the 1959 revolution, Cubans will have the right to buy new and used vehicles from the state without government permission, official media announced on Thursday, another step toward greater economic freedom on the communist-led island.

    Under a reform introduced two years ago, Cubans can buy and sell used cars from each other, but must request authorization from the government to purchase a new vehicle or second-hand one, usually a relatively modern rental car, from State retailers.

    The Communist Party newspaper, Granma, said the Council of Ministers approved new regulations on Wednesday that “eliminate existing mechanisms of approval for the purchase of motor vehicles from the state.”

    Read more: http://www.autonews.com/article/20131219/GLOBAL/131219838/#ixzz2nyP9LDWh
    Follow us: @Automotive_News on Twitter | AutoNews on Facebook

  181. There’s an interesting take. Chris Hayes says suspending Robertson was pointless: Those are his views; A&E had a reasonable idea of what he might say in an interview; deal with it or don’t run a show like this. Works for me.

  182. So, Phil was happy to be hoeing in the fields and happy to be living in a run down house with no electricity and no toilet with like 5 siblings because he looked in the mirror and saw white? But every black person on the planet was mad all the time because they weren’t living it up like Phil? This logic gets better and better. Cuz goodie Taylor says so! Every white person lived the good life. Every black person was angry. And, if you disagree you’re an idiot and a racist! And Phil doesn’t know what he experienced cuz younger liberals say so.

  183. Megyn is talking about Phil Robertson. She’s only focusing on the g@y comments and ignoring the comments on the pre civil rights era.

    Jake Tapper and Chris Hayes did discuss them saying they might be worse than the comments on g@ys.

  184. I’ve heard that same take on OTHER channels All Day Long. TV people are getting short on something to say.

  185. Apparently, under Armour isn’t going to cut ties with DD. They better hunker down! Ain’t no hell like the wrath of the outrageously outraged, outraged.

  186. Can we at least agree to stop with the stupid bashir comparisons? One guy is a news anchor. The other is a reality TV star who duck hunts.

  187. I was personally comparing how the networks handled their respective situations. Now it looks as though the family might take a walk, and I’d still love to see them walk it somewhere else. See, I can separate a discussion of what the man said from wanting him to lose his job. I don’t, and I never did.

  188. Sure, if we can stop pretending that Phil Robertson knew how all the black people felt about their lives because they never complained to him 50 years ago. It’s literally impossible to draw a conclusion of “happiness” from his experience, so stop pretending he could. He can say everybody got along out there, and they had some good times together. That’s it.

  189. Bobby Jindal is on Megyn’s show to as he said support his friend Phil Robertson.
    He’s making the false comparison of Miley Cyrus and Phil Robertson.
    Once again she is only focusing on the g@y comments and not the pre civil war comments.
    Now he’s talking about the extreme left being anti religion.
    Please stop talking!

  190. I bet Palin and Jindal were howling over what happened to the Dixie Chicks.

  191. Free speech is for the good Godly people. The rest should shut up.

  192. If Robinson’s black offenses were any more convoluted we’d all have to rent a white liberal to explain them to us. (there are a few places you can get hem free)

  193. All this needs now is for Zimmerman to paint a duck and put it on eBay.

  194. Did any FNC shows talk about Phil Robertson’s pre civil rights comments or are they trying to make the narrative that it’s only about someone being punished for speaking about their religious beliefs?

    Megyn never talked about the pre civil rights comments.

  195. Megyn never talked about the pre civil rights comments.

    Me-thinks Megyn decided getting White Santa kicked out of the news was a gift..

  196. Hannity is devoting all except one segment Robertson.
    TONIGHT’S RUNDOWN
    A Block DUCK DYNASTY CONTROVERSY
    B Block DUCKS & DOUBLE STANDARDS
    C Block DUCKS & DOUBLE STANDARDS
    D Block FAITH & FREE SPEECH
    E Block DUCK POLITICS
    F Block BUILDING HOMES FOR HEROES

    So far Hannity’s show is the same as Megyn’s it’s all about the comments on g@ys and nothing else.

  197. None of us want to contemplate Megyn’s take on Phil Robertson’s youthful reflections.

  198. Sarah Palin’s saying Conservatives don’t go around demanding liberals be fired? What kind of revisionist crap is that?

    That woman is an idiot.

    She also talked about how people use “the L word” on Showtime. Um, Sarah, using language you don’t like on Showtime is not the same as insulting a large block of Americans.

  199. “Can we at least agree to stop with the stupid bashir comparisons? One guy is a news anchor. The other is a reality TV star who duck hunts.”

    Hannity can’t his next two segments are comparing things said by liberals including Obama and Biden to what Phil Roberson said.

  200. Hannity just said Conservatives do not target advertisers. Hope he remembers that the next time he has Brent Bozell on.

  201. So blog commentary tonight establishes Robinson is an idiot and Palin is an idiot. That sure separates the place from Mediaite comments.

  202. Duck Doodoo seems more like Paula Deen than anything else. A totally unnecessary exchange (a lawsuit that should have been settled but was later lost, in her case) leads to offensive comments and revelations of past behavior. Neither “revelation” was any great surprise, if we’re honest, but the people involved feel the need to disavow. In Paula’s case, it’s clear enough that Food Network was looking for a reason to get rid of her, and this was their best opportunity. Hard to imagine that being the case for A&E, but who knows?

  203. It’s Robertson. If you’re going to complain about people calling media figures “idiot”, you might want to get his name right.

  204. The first Hannity guest panel segment trying to compare what Robertson said to that of liberal politicians was comical.

    There’s classy Hannity calling Joe Biden dumb while he complains about what liberals say.

  205. Is this really the state of America? Arguing over what some ‘reality’ TV star said. It’s almost like watching ET but political.

  206. Only one cable person made VARIETY’s 2013 MOST INFLUENTIAL PEOPLE list:
    http://variety.com/gallery/varietys-most-influential-people-of-2013/#!15/megyn-kelly-fox-news/

    hints: it’s a straight news person

  207. There’s classy Hannity calling Joe Biden dumb while he complains about what liberals say.

    But he didn’t call Biden an idiot so it’s all good.

  208. CNN and MSNBC have covered both the g@y and pre civil rights comments.

    Unless I missed a segment earlier, FNC has it all about someone being punished for speaking about their religious beliefs.

    FNC has to do something about Hannity and his pen OCD.
    How is no one else annoyed by his contestant loudly clicking and flipping his pen when he is talking?

  209. Is this really the state of America? Arguing over what some ‘reality’ TV star said. It’s almost like watching ET but political.

    Like it or not (I don’t), that show is EVERYWHERE in this country. It gets huge ratings for cable; they’re stars on the rightwing media circuit; show up at sporting events; and their faces and crap are plastered all over Walmart. They are a ubiquitous presence in our lives right now, so Pops going on a g@y/black tirade is news. Whaddyagonnado?

  210. And it takes the focus off of Megyn’s demand for a White Santa, so everyone wins!

    The one good thing is that the insurance companies are being richly screwed for buying into this mess to begin with. Unfortunately, the people who are really screwed are the employees who’ll have to work overtime, right at the holidays.
    The individual mandate no longer applies to people whose plans were canceled
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/12/19/the-obama-administration-just-delayed-the-individual-mandate-for-people-whose-plans-have-been-canceled/

  211. My view of the Phil Robertson controversy.

    Robertson has every right to say what he did as long as it’s not libelous. It’s the USA after all.

    A+E had every right to suspend or fire Robertson for what he said. They are his employers and can disciple him for a breach of their rules. (See Alec Baldwin)

    Liberals can b*tch about what Robertson said too their hearts content. They have the same rights as Mr. Robertson.

    Conservatives like Sarah Palin, Hannity and Bobby Jindal can also b*tch about liberals b*tching about Robertson. (See above) The only caveat is that Mr. Jindal should not expect much support from the AA or LGBT communities in the future.

    This is a totally made up controversy like the Santa is black controversy of last week and dozens more before that.

    The happiest person today is Megyn Kelly as she gets a free pass on her stupid comments while the media hyperventilates over Phil Robertson.

  212. I forgot. The second happiest people about the Robertson comments are the Obama administration as FNC and the right wing media are going crazy over a fake story and not talking about Obamacare.

  213. The happiest person today is Megyn Kelly

    Yes, and it will be interesting to see if she ever does something that stupid again. ‘Cause that was WEIRD.

  214. Hardly stupid. If you didn’t like Megyn before you still don’t. If you did like her, you like her more. Her sticking it to a bunch of silly liberals who want a black Santa and a black Jesus and who knows what else, good stuff. Not a dent on her, and that’s the fact Jack. Period.

  215. Before all this happened there was shenanigans going on with
    A & E and the show. Why put in fake bleeps? Why ask them when they pray to take out “in Jesus’ name’?

    Also, A & E knew what they were getting since Phil has been a “preacher” in his church using this same kind of language for a long time. So, now they are reacting to something they thought they could keep under wraps by editing – but – since this was a written interview A & E couldn’t control it.

    Phil was not the one trying to cover anything up, it was A & E. They just wanted to make $, lots of $, until they found out they couldn’t control old Phil and his language.

  216. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    Yes, singing spirituals in the fields is historical fact, which Robertson can tell you firsthand. Neither Goldie nor Phil can attest to how “happy” those people were when they were singing them. Robertson is an idiot.

    I saw a documentary named “Blazing Saddles” that explained the work song deal.

  217. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    What an effed up world we live in.

    http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/12/19/some-parents-upset-after-l-i-school-removes-religious-references-from-silent-night/

    It’s the tolerance of the Left, Pam. They only tolerate what they believe in.

  218. The Robertson Family Offical Statement

    We want to thank all of you for your prayers and support. The family has spent much time in prayer since learning of A&E’s decision. We want you to know that first and foremost we are a family rooted in our faith in God and our belief that the Bible is His word. While some of Phil’s unfiltered comments to the reporter were coarse, his beliefs are grounded in the teachings of the Bible. Phil is a Godly man who follows what the Bible says are the greatest commandments: “Love the Lord your God with all your heart” and “Love your neighbor as yourself.” Phil would never incite or encourage hate.We are disappointed that Phil has been placed on hiatus for expressing his faith, which is his constitutionally protected right.We have had a successful working relationship with A&E but, as a family, we cannot imagine the show going forward without our patriarch at the helm. We are in discussions with A&E to see what that means for the future of Duck Dynasty. Again, thank you for your continued support of our family.

    CMT and RFD are jumping up and down in total glee right now.

  219. Megyn will never lose out by playing down to her audience, as we see. She’ll also never be a respected news-person, outside her fevered bubble. Not much of a sacrifice, unfortunately.

  220. We are disappointed that Phil has been placed on hiatus for expressing his faith, which is his constitutionally protected right.

    What a bunch of sanctimonious crap. He wasn’t placed on hiatus for his faith. He was placed on hiatus for being gross about it, plus some weird BS about black people. And his constitutional right to free speech does not guarantee him a job.

  221. “Sarah Palin’s saying Conservatives don’t go around demanding liberals be fired? What kind of revisionist crap is that?”

    Not crap. I’m sure there are some examples but it’s not the norm. Conservatives don’t stage boycotts to get people fired the way the left does. It’s an almost weekly occurrence for lefty groups. Conservatives typically do the opposite of protest; they support those they feel are being taken down by the liberal outrage machine. Just off the top of my head, Hannity came to Maher’s defense over his comments shortly after 9/11. Laura Ingraham didn’t call for Ed Schultz to be fired. And, Palin didn’t call for Bashir to be fired.

  222. “He was placed on hiatus for being gross about it, plus some weird BS about blahbady blah blah.”

    You’ve obviously never watched the show. It’s the way he talks about everything.

  223. Lawrence talked about the pre civil war comments,
    “Duck Dynasty dad rewrites American history”
    http://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/watch/duck-dynasty-dad-rewrites-american-history-97150531644

  224. Terry Bradshaw talks about Phil Robertson on the Tonight Show. What a crazy world we live in.

  225. Sorry!

  226. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    Some people here have no ducking idea what they are talking about. Just an observation.

  227. You missed the point, LS. Robertson was gross, and that’s what finally got him in trouble with the network. The family is claiming he was punished for being a Christian, which is bull. He got hit for crude language about h0m0sexuals, and making strange claims about pre-Civil Rights Era blacks. It doesn’t matter what – if any – faith was involved.

  228. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    Good clip, Pam. Thanks.

  229. hints: it’s a straight news person

    So… it’s not Anderson Cooper?

    I think A&E’s action against Robertson for expressing his views is wrong for the same reason I didn’t think Baldwin should have been canned. And Bashir, too, although his misstep did occur while performing his regular job and I have to admit that’s a little different.

    What I don’t know, of course, is what was written into any of their contracts. For all I know A&E may have explicitly forbid Robertson from making such public remarks and, if so, that’s a different matter. Of course these employers have the right to do as they please but that doesn’t mean that they should. It is possible (arguably better) to staunchly support a person’s ability to express controversial opinions while simultaneously arguing against or even ridiculing the content of those views.

  230. That’s pre civil rights not war. Lawrence believes those were worse than the comments that got Phil Robertson taken off the reality show.

  231. “There aren’t red states there aren’t blue states, there are just the United States”
    Wrong again, Heath Care man.

    As you can see by the issues of infatuation, redder and bluer than ever… getting close to grey and blue.

  232. -Obamacare-

    Fritz thinks Duck Master knocked the insurance mess off the radar. As of today, anyway, I still can’t watch, listen to, or read a news report on any venue, local or national, without something bad about ACA’s problems being among the stories. And it’s still a main source for material among the late night comedians.

  233. If you like your duck guy, you can keep your duck guy.

  234. “Their belief in free speech doesn’t extend to the holidays where the word Christmas is mandatory.”

    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/stewart-torches-fox-news-defense-of-phil-robertsons-right-to-say-ignorant-sht/

  235. ACA is a real and enduring story. Duck Boy is tabloid outrage silliness. Megyn’s happy..Obama is not.

  236. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    Fritz thinks Duck Master knocked the insurance mess off the radar. As of today, anyway, I still can’t watch, listen to, or read a news report on any venue, local or national, without something bad about ACA’s problems being among the stories. And it’s still a main source for material among the late night comedians.

    It’s the wishful thinking of the Left that people will be distracted by this ducking idiocy. Wait until the employer mandate kicks in and the massive layoffs start.

  237. -Megyn Kelly-

    She’s not getting a ‘pass’. That Santa thing cost her considerable journalistic credibility which she compounded by blowing her one chance to make it better. It’s because of that second mistake that this will haunt her for years to come.

    To quote Ms. Kelly from her recent Tonight Show appearance, “They forget that we have the magical thing called video tape!”

  238. As I agree with Joe, in the spirit of the season, I now go to bed.

  239. Al, I’m amazed that she whiffed that so badly. I don’t believe Megyn was “being lighthearted” – she did a whole segment on “why does everything have to change”, and seemed quite pissed about it – but if she had claimed “tried to be funny, didn’t work, came out wrong, I’m sorry”, most people would have let it go. Instead she went with “you can’t take a joke..we’re being attacked”. LAME!

  240. O’Reilly can parry and laugh off the shots from Jon Stewart, because he knows who he is. He’s not pretending to be a “straight news anchor”. Once you pass over into delusion, you’re done.

  241. Huh..I hadn’t noticed this before. Megyn threw FNC under the bus Friday night. Twice she mentioned Fox News as “a target”, when on Wednesday she introduced the Santa story as “I had to laugh when I saw..” That segment played as though this was Megyn’s personal beef, and to my knowledge no other Fox show broached the subject.

    She said something really weird and stupid, then pretended the whole network was involved. Nice.

  242. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    Once you pass over into delusion, you’re done.

    Seems to have worked for Barack Hussein Obama.

  243. O’Reilly gave her his required blessing, Monday night, complete with “Fox is a target”. At the end of the show, he says something like “She owes me, big time!”. He knew good and damn well that it was BS, but had to be the ‘team player’ with his Talking Points. Like I said, she tried to play his game, but without the talent to back it up.

  244. Megyn completely refused to take responsibility for her comments. She did what Sarah Palin would do and tried to pretend like she was a victim while claiming it was a lighthearted joke. It was a stupid, amateur move by someone who’s supposedly one of the smartest people on television.

  245. Megyn’s comments might have been intended as a lighthearted quip. I don’t know. I’m not a mind reader. If they were intended asa joke, she was horrible on the delivery because she looked and sounded dead serious. She looked and sounded insistent that Santa and Jesus were white.

  246. She looked and sounded angry, which is what made it so personal and weird. It was a total meltdown about “losing white things”, with a bizarre dash of “my Jesus is white, too” to seal the argument. It’s like we got a glimpse into “unfiltered Megyn”, and it twarnt pretty.

  247. American news in review:
    CNN: Phil Robertson was suspended for homophobic remarks. We discuss.
    FNC: A&E declared war on Christianity by suspending Phil Robertson.
    MSNBC: Phil Robertson is a racist and a homophobe.
    Al Jazeera: President Obama ordered U.S. military personnel to South Sudan as increased violence has killed hundreds in the newly formed republic.

  248. Al Jazeera had some interesting reports on the crisis in South Sudan. Interesting, I haven’t seen a single mention of this on MSNBC or CNN.

  249. The Red Eye panel sort of mocked Megyn Kelly the other night. Not by name, of course, but by ‘White Santa” reference.

    As for not taking responsibility for her mistake, there’s a fine line between being healthily confident of one’s self or just being smug. She crossed it.

  250. I’ll bet even Gretchen “War On Christmas” Carlson was like “Damn, girl.”

  251. I know that the recent violence in South Sudan has been reported by both CNN and FNC, the latter I saw as a report on my local Fox-affiliated broadcast television news. CNN I heard on the radio… maybe XM/Sirius

  252. More tribes in Africa slaughtering each other.

    Now where in the hell is my warm milk?

  253. — Megyn taking responsibility —

    The “smug” shot out of the screen. Here is a person who knows good and well that Fox’s audience will lap up everything she says, and consider any and all critics as usurpers. That’s not how a “news” person acts. That’s someone who’s talking to a fan club or a congregation.

  254. O’Reilly and others on Fox right about leftists wanting to promote immorality you know. I will say that much – in Fox’s defense. I had a very heated argument with a progressive blogger earlier. The blogger was pissed that I really didn’t care about duck man and had a neutral position.

    I told her that I like that Duck Dynasty promotes the importance of family, values and ethics. This went on for a while… crap about I should boycott the show because duck man made these remarks. I stated that it’s better than the unfunny Modern Family crap and the “reality TV shows” that promote sex, drugs and violence.

    I’m completely neutral when it comes to g@y marriage and related “equality” issues. Always have been. I don’t support it myself but it’s not my business nor is it the government’s business.

    Some, and I’d honestly venture to bet most, on the left really does want to promote h0m0sexuality and really does think sex, drugs and violence is more ethical than a show about a religious, backwoods family. Social liberals really do promote a morality-free society.

  255. For a few weeks now I’ve been pondering and commenting about how the advances in technology over the past decade has been forcing cable news away from its hard-news origins and toward… something else. Hard news or current event discussion programmes presented from a neutral perspective just can’t draw the eyeballs they once could now that there’s so many other ways for us to get this stuff. And I think this may partly explain what’s not adding up with Megyn Kelly’s new show.

    She’s many times proven her ability to be a dispassionate presenter of facts while still remaining pleasantly casual in front of the camera, and this is how she wanted to do her hard news discussion show. But the programming pressure is heavy for opinionated conflict.. people won’t watch unless there’s something there for them to bitch at, laugh about, or fight over. Bret Baeir sort of pulls it off as does Anderson Cooper. Megyn Kelly thought she could and that’s what she advertised her show to be. She’s now late to learn that she can’t or isn’t being allowed to. Her ratings are dictating which way her prime time programme has to slide.

  256. Some, and I’d honestly venture to bet most, on the left really does want to promote h0m0sexuality and really does think sex, drugs and violence is more ethical than a show about a religious, backwoods family. Social liberals really do promote a morality-free society.

    That’s a rather obscene amount of generalization. As a liberal, I have no intention of sitting still for this crap.

  257. Megyn Kelly thought she could and that’s what she advertised her show to be. She’s now late to learn that she can’t or isn’t being allowed to. Her ratings are dictating which way her prime time programme has to slide.

    I don’t agree she’s “late” and “learning”. Her Dayside show was quite similar to The Kelly File, and the current Primetime format kicked in right away. She may be good at “straight news anchor” on Election Nights, but she’s quite comfortable with the partisan, combative role she employs on her new show.

    She knew what she was going to do, and thought she could get away with lying about it. She’s that smug.

  258. I’m quite a bit younger than you are Joe. I don’t care one way or the other. But it’s undeniable that Hollywood is largely liberal and it’s undeniable that they promote sex, drugs, violence and h0m0sexuality. Phil Robertson’s remarks were dumb – but we’re supposed to get upset about that and boycott that Duck Dynasty show – a show that’s actually very popular with young children? Great, let’s turn Miley Cyrus and The Secret Life of an American Teenager on and tell girls that this is who they should look up to. Let’s turn WWE and Lizard Lick Towing on and tell boys that this is who they should idolize.

    It’s obscene. It’d be the equivalent of condemning Full House back in the 90s because someone said something and telling kids they should watch South Park and idolize Britney Spears instead.

    O’Reilly is right. We, on the left, do get upset when something religious is on television and they condemn h0m0sexuality on or off-air but we sure don’t take any issue with Jersey Shore.

  259. Interesting thinking by Andy. Much more so than the Megyn rehash of the same old stuff.

    Andy: Important stuff

    Megyn: aging fluff

  260. You’re all over the place, Andy, and I’m not going to try to keep up with your sweeping generalizations. Beginning with “we called for a boycott”. Most liberals are doing no such thing. It’s a stupid reality show. We already don’t watch it.

  261. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    Some, and I’d honestly venture to bet most, on the left really does want to promote h0m0sexuality and really does think sex, drugs and violence is more ethical than a show about a religious, backwoods family. Social liberals really do promote a morality-free society.

    That’s a rather obscene amount of generalization. As a liberal, I have no intention of sitting still for this crap.

    Then, instead of sitting still, run around in a circle. But I have to agree with him on this point. There is a significant number on the Left that believes that tolerance is a one way street. They demand that you respect, and in many cases, even accept their view as correct. But they absolutely refuse to grant anyone who disagrees any modicum of respect. It is their view, or else. In other words, liberal fascism.

  262. The selective outrage is bull, Joe. The left wing blogs, which I follow, want Phil Robertson’s head on a platter and are applauding A&E and would be quite happy with the show going away. The very same people defended Miley Cyrus’ little stunt and condemned the “$lut-shaming” – and that was a standard narrative from everything from popular left-wing Facebook pages to The Huffington Post and even The Washington Post.

  263. I even had to be “reminded” by someone that Miley Cyrus was on “our side” politically. That’s great. She can think whatever she wants. And she can do whatever she wants in her own home. But keep this stuff away from the children.

  264. Don’t effing lecture me about liberalism. You’re drawing sweeping conclusions, and they’re bollocks.

  265. When 12 year olds are singing songs from Lady Gaga or Kesha, there’s a problem.

  266. When people start making definitive “they’re all like this or that” proclamations, there’s a problem. How does “you’re all racist” sit with you? I didn’t think so. This kind of “debate” is meaningless. Goodnight.

  267. When 12 year olds are singing songs from Lady Gaga or Kesha, there’s a problem.

    12? Crap, I’ve seen eight year olds singing that Katy Perry song about “sex on the beach”, “freak in my Jeep” and “we’ll melt your popcicle”.

  268. I do believe Andy did generalize a bit much but when many left-wing writers (especially the younger ones) are condoning the actions of Miley and the other crap from the entertainment industry, it does give that perception.

  269. -8 yr olds-
    The industry has pushed and promoted that material so much it seems like most kids can’t avoid it. For example, at a skating rink I went to, they were blaring those songs and there were kids there too. Completely inappropriate.

  270. not that you see generalization around here much.

    Ha!

  271. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    not that you see generalization around here much.

    Ha!

    All the ducking time.

  272. I do believe Andy did generalize a bit much but when many left-wing writers (especially the younger ones) are condoning the actions of Miley and the other crap from the entertainment industry, it does give that perception.

    For crying out loud they were condemning people who didn’t condone Miley’s actions. And Katy Perry is an idol on the left – even paraded out there in skin tight outfits campaigning for Obama.

    We’re supposed to be offended by what Phil Robertson said in GQ Magazine which nobody reads but we’re supposed to be perfectly kosher with what Miley Cyrus did, on live TV, in the VMAs, which children watch? And we’re supposed to be kosher with Katy Perry marketing a song about “sex on the beach” to kids with a Candyland fantasy music video? I don’t think so.

  273. So tell me again. Megyn says she does straight news, but really mixes in commentary, and that’s just awful. On the other hand, liberals want to replace religion and family values with drugs, welfare, and sodomy, but that’s a bit too much of a generalization?

    Gee, hard to pick a winner.

  274. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    Speaking of Sodomy, last week was the tenth anniversary of his capture. Wait – that was Saddamy. Never mind.

  275. Quit trolling me. “Knock it off” doesn’t mean “keep going after Joe, and he won’t respond”. I’ll respond all damn night if you keep coming at me. Megyn is capable of straight news, but only does it once a year. Her show is rightwing propaganda hackery. Ask again, I’ll explain it again. All night long.

  276. Since we’re so concerned about repetition, I’ll tell you how well my Megyn Kelly column did. Don’t know the numbers, but it was in the top five the first day, competing against an SNL video, It got three RTS from Ron Fournier, one from Matt Lewis (including a comment about how Megyn’s stunt was not unlike Rush and Sandra Fluke). Eric Deggans, Rob George and Noah Rothman had positive things to say. James Rosen favorited the tweet, with no comment. Not sure what to think about that, but it’s amusing.
    So, media people liked it. Bite me.

  277. Some, and I’d honestly venture to bet most, on the left…

    Andy’s “sweeping” generalisations are completely understandable. I think slightly misplaced, but he isn’t nuts.

    There’s a subgroup in our society who do actively push seemingly for all things that disrupt what we generally consider to be beneficial core values. It is further true that these people all count themselves among the liberals. Now, mixed right in with these radical and destructive goals are so many things that, while perhaps controversial, are actually good things. It is these things that many (perhaps most) liberals find to be worth striving toward and why they so often find themselves stuck in alignment with the twerking troublemakers.

    That isn’t the crazy part. Also true is that many (perhaps most) conservatives believe some of these things are worth striving toward, too. Provided you don’t conflate the religious conservatives subgroup with political conservatives, this can include issues of h0m0sexuality, and it certainly includes matters of race. Some of the finer details and the means of getting there will be wildly different, of course, and this is the “fighting call” that brings the liberal team together. Different topics and to a lesser extent, but the exact same thing goes on with the right.

    Because sensationalism and conflict are the driving force of both television ratings and partisan politics, we almost never get around to having the thoughtful kinds of grown-up conversations necessary to do it right.

  278. SNL did well for having to compete with you.

  279. SNL did well for having to compete with you.

    #wellplayed

  280. Regarding the A&E v. Phil Robertson hub-bub, TMZ was clearly on the side of Team Robertson last night. Cable news channels might want to take note of how well that diverse and mostly young group used logic to argue in support of someone with an opinion that absolutely none of them agree with.

    Refreshing.

  281. That opinion picked up a lot of steam in Liberal World tonight, Al. It’s like everyone snapped out of it and realized it’s some old guy on a silly reality show, saying the kind of stuff he was hired to say. A&E probably signed up for this thing thinking the family would be made fun of, and is now dealing with the fact that a large segment of the country identifies with them. Be careful what you ask for…

    I still think his comments were offensive, and I still don’t care if that stupid channel fires him or gives him a raise.

  282. Damn, Al laid it out perfectly.

  283. “Promoting h0m0sexuality”, eh? Jeez, even mainstream religious conservatives have generally chucked that garbage and modified their message to at least appear more respectful while maintaining their beliefs.

    Take Miley Cyrus and Katy Perry. Do their antics promote being straight? Viewing sexual orientation and identity as something to be promoted (or censored I suppose), as though kids are persuaded to become gay if they watch the wrong movie or TV show is stone age stuff.

    Neutrality on civil rights doesn’t exist. If you don’t believe the government has any business establishing restrictions on one class or another, you’re ‘pro-equality’. If you decide to sit out that fight re: public policy, you’re effectively endorsing the status quo. Private views are entirely different.

  284. Liberals are extremely stupid if they think they’re going to try to force every public figure to take a position on h0m0sexuality and then condemn anyone who doesn’t condone the behavior in itself.

    Just because the majority of Americans have evolved on marriage equality, mainly because it is an issue of personal liberty, doesn’t mean the majority of Americans condone the behavior itself and we’re going to start losing the advantage we have on social issues if we keep it up.

  285. The majority of Americans are still Christians, as much as many on the left want to change that. Younger people are just troublemakers who were raised to believe that being “edgy” and “different” is “hip” and “cool”. In the end, it’s going to be the kids like me who minded their own business who end up being the “leaders” of the generation. Most of these kids, the “twerking troublemakers” as Al put it so awesomely, they’re not going to amount to anything.

    Part of the reason why there’s a labor market depression for millennials is because a lot of people my age aren’t employable. They want to look like something that was conceived by a man and a parrot. They think profanity is a primary language. They’re so “casual” that they think showing up late to work is no big deal. They can’t do anything for less than 10 minutes without an earbud blaring music. And they just don’t have any values because, hey, we’re “different” and that’s “hip”. They’ll never grow up – because they never learned that they had to between the fact that many kids don’t have a parent figure in their lives (single moms who have to work two jobs to make end’s meet) and Jersey Shore proved that adulthood is just an endless party.

  286. Regarding the A&E v. Phil Robertson hub-bub, TMZ was clearly on the side of Team Robertson last night. Cable news channels might want to take note of how well that diverse and mostly young group used logic to argue in support of someone with an opinion that absolutely none of them agree with.

    I’m not so sure that most young people disagree with Robertson’s opinion. I’m sure that a lot do and that the number of young people who disagree with Robertson’s statement is much higher than older generations, but I’d still venture to say that the majority of younger Americans still think negatively of h0m0sexual behavior.

  287. Andy, you’re so blinded by your personal hangups and objections here that your cultural and political analysis is suspect, to say the least. The resounding majority of those under 40 don’t spend time viewing the ‘behavior’ of their gay friends and family members as something they must or must not condone. They simply accept them for who they are. As quickly as the issue has advanced, that vague generational dividing line gets bumped up with each passing year. In ten years your statements above would look laughable.

    The only major demographic for which this is not demonstrably true is white evangelical Christians. Though you obviously don’t want it to be true, that is a population in decline.

  288. Different topic: Morning Joe had on Bishop Wuerl of the Washington DC diocese this morning. As a welcome and intro to his segment the producers decided to play a David Letterman clip about atheists and them doing a Rockettes type show after the holidays.

    Even Mika said “awkward” after the clip was played. This is a prime example of liberals behind the scenes at MSNBC who really hate religion.

  289. Not trolling anybody, my comments are in wonderment of Andy. The recognition of just the possibility that liberalism really might mean more than only the death of decent health care… add in the corruption of your children, and the destruction of your favorite TV show, well AHMEN!

    I get to say that, I think.

  290. I’m throwing away my bag of “@”s.

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