Free for All: 12/27/13

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  1. Glenn Greenwald going after NSNBC continues today:
    http://www.mediaite.com/online/glenn-greenwald-takes-one-more-swipe-at-msnbc-and-its-the-most-brutal/
    :
    But Greenwald’s final cut into the network was the unkindest of all: “If you want to argue with someone who (unlike me) actually made absolutist claims about MSNBC’s blinding pro-Obama hackery, go find these two individuals,” Greenwald asserted. He cited two Democratic lions, Bill Clinton and Barack Obama, who both attacked MSNBC for allowing their editorial bent to dominate the network’s programing.

    “Boy, it really has become our version of Fox,” Clinton quipped in early 2012.

    Obama took a good-natured dig into the network at April’s White House Correspondents Association dinner. “David Axelrod now works for MSNBC, which is a nice change of pace since MSNBC used to work for David Axelrod,” the president joked.

  2. Glenn Greenwald is an activist with a martyr complex who uses the Tea Party playbook for how to dodge questions he doesn’t want to answer. Kristen Welker is an excellent journalist, and Greenwald wasted everybody’s time attacking the network she works for every time she dared cross him. It was embarrassing.

  3. Doesn’t mean he didn’t speak the truth.

  4. Embarrassing to MSNBC as Griffin has bristled at any comparison to FOX.

  5. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    Speaking of embarrassing, THIS IS CNN?
    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/anderson-cooper-discusses-his-mother-and-cunnilingus/

    Remember folks, gather the kiddies around the TV for Anderson and Kathy’s New Year’s special. Towards the bottom of the story in Larry’s link is a charming tale told by Kathy Griffin on the Letterman show. I won’t link it here as there is a naughty word in the address, but let me say that she sure is a friendly type.

  6. The NYT article listing some of Chris Christie’s petty shakedowns and paybacks doesn’t mean he was behind, or even knew about , the GWB shutdown but it does show it’s the kind of bully revenge politics he and his honchos are capable of when crossed. Not a pretty picture.

  7. savefarris Says:

    –Carryover from previous FFA —

    I’m with joe on the whole tablet thing.

    iPads are for iPhone users who need glasses.

  8. Buy an iPad. Larry predicts you will say “Boy, was I wrong!”

    #threeyeariPadOwner

  9. savefarris Says:

    it does show it’s the kind of bully revenge politics he and his honchos are capable of when crossed.

    That’s right: the LAST thing we want is for someone in the White House to use the “bully” pulpit for revenge…

    #irs
    #nsa
    #guywhomadetheYoutubevideo
    #joetheplumber
    #sarahpalinsemail
    #bencarsonaudited
    #justicesuinglousianavouchers
    #justicesuingtexasvoterid
    #callingoutsupremesduringSOTU
    #waronfox”news”
    #copsactedstupidly
    #hedlookliketrayvon

  10. How Did Fox News Become Fox News?

    Bill Hemmer will take a look at Fox News’ history for a special airing tonight at 10pmET. “Fox News: Our Story” features interviews with Brit Hume, Sean Hannity and Shepard Smith, who recalls he initially didn’t think the channel could succeed: “Not a chance, no way, no how. And what that shows is that I didn’t know the boss,” Smith says. “I can remember [Roger Ailes] telling me distinctly, we will win…
    http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/how-did-fox-news-become-fox-news_b208598

    Buy ya a bag of popcorn, Ice.

  11. Farris, you forgot the bullying of the Camber Of Commerce and Gallop.

  12. I’d only tune into that show if Roger Ailes is honest that compared to when they started FNC has become a conservative POV news and opinion channel.

    There’s nothing wrong with FNC being conservative news channel.
    They do a good job programming for that audience.
    Just stop pretending to be Fair and Balanced.

  13. As most of us expected was going to happen,

    ‘Duck Dynasty’ to resume filming with Phil Robertson, A&E announces.
    http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2013/12/27/duck-dynasty-to-resume-filming-with-phil-robertson-ae-announces/

  14. If Ailes came tonight with the following announcement:

    “Sorry folks, we are just not as balanced as a neutral observer would see it, but we present the conservative point of view in as fair a way as we can, given that point of view.”… Well… How far would FOX COMPLAINTS drop here, do you suppose?
    50%
    25%
    10%
    Not At All

    I have my guess.

  15. Now if CNN, ABC, NBC, PBS, NPR etc. came out and admitted their liberal POV bias instead of pretending they don’t have one… Well, I’d eat Ice’s hat… Presuming he has a hat.

  16. Rightwing media made a mockery of this Duck Dynasty controversy. They pretended it was all about the man’s faith and the Bible. Robertson’s most offensive comments were about African-Americans during the Jim Crow era, which had nothing to do with Christianity. They were just stupid.

  17. It was all a publicity stunt.

  18. publicity stunt. If so, might have worked. I’m going to watch to see what Robinson and his family are all about.

  19. Meanwhile…
    MEDIABISTRO reports:

    Changes could be coming to Meet the Press as NBC News head Deborah Turness, who is “fearless” in the eyes of the New York Post, looks to fix its flagging ratings. There are rumors that host David Gregory could be out and that super agent Ari Emanuel wants to install his clients Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski. The pair currently oversee MSNBC’s Morning Joe. Another theory has Turness poaching ABC News’ Good Morning America seer George Stephanopoulos, whose contract runs out in January. Meanwhile, the NBC rank and file are mad at their fearless leader because she’s cutting staff in the Washington D.C. bureau. Antoine Sanfuentes, who headed the outfit once upon a time, is gone along with MTP producer Adam Verdugo. “Instead of getting better, NBC News has been getting worse,” one executive tells the Post. “It’s a mess.”

  20. Stephanopoulos to NBC would be much better than Joe and Mika.

  21. Thank for the heads-up on the FOX show tonight, Larry.

  22. Leave it to Fox to do a “documentary” on how great they are.

  23. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    It was all a publicity stunt.

    Exactly. Otherwise they wouldn’t have run the marathon with the suspended Robertson.

  24. I have my DVR set, Carol.

  25. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    If Ailes came tonight with the following announcement:

    “Sorry folks, we are just not as balanced as a neutral observer would see it, but we present the conservative point of view in as fair a way as we can, given that point of view.”… Well… How far would FOX COMPLAINTS drop here, do you suppose?
    50%
    25%
    10%
    Not At All

    Not at all. In fact, they’d increase.

  26. I first became aware of talking-head analytical news programs with the year-end retrospectives of the early 1970’s. WASHINGTON WEEK just did a very good half hour take on 2013. it will be repeated over the weekend for viewers like you. Thank them.

  27. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    Guess who’s coming back?

    http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/weiner-new-york-politics-scandal/2013/12/27/id/544137

  28. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    The 2023 Year in Review: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/12/27/Trends-2023

  29. Fox, with a doc about how they became No. 1 against all odds. A scrappy little bunch..no one believed in them. BUT THEY FOUGHT ON!

  30. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    Fox, with a doc about how they became No. 1 against all odds. A scrappy little bunch..no one believed in them. BUT THEY FOUGHT ON!

    And, they did it without the help of an existing network with a large (and at the time) respected news division.

  31. Yeah, News Corp and Fox Broadcast were just a bunch of chumps.

  32. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    Yeah, News Corp and Fox Broadcast were just a bunch of chumps.

    Nobody said that, Joe. Simply that the long established CNN had grown lazy, and MSNBC, with the power of NBC and GE behind them, blew it. MSNBC had excellent news coverage, then threw it all away. Not everything comes down to politics, quality is what sells.

  33. Tabloidization and pandering is what sells. Rupert Murdoch learned that long before he started FNC.

  34. Four U.S. military personnel are being held by the Libyan government, a senior U.S. Defense Department official tells CNN.

  35. FOX has a lot of fun in what they do. The other two: boredom or nasty a good part of the day. That’s long term poison.

  36. Also, tell whitey he’s oppressed by the black man, and do it from a Leg Chair. People love that stuff.

  37. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    Also, tell whitey he’s oppressed by the black man, and do it from a Leg Chair. People love that stuff.

    I hate to break this to you, but not everything is about race, Joe.

  38. FNC is frequently about race, which they will conveniently ignore in their little Christmas Card to themselves tonight. That network is bad for politics, and bad for the country. Enjoy the show.

  39. I’m getting tired of Edward Snowden and his cult. Yes, he revealed some valuable information but he is a traitor who acts like he’s some sort of martyr when, in reality, he’s a coward who keeps bribing other countries in to letting him stay there. I hope other nations see right through his act and I can’t wait until he’s finally silenced.

    I like Glenn Greenwald but he’s just being pathetic now. Every time he’s asked a question he doesn’t like, he just attacks the reporter and accuses them of bias.

  40. Greenwald is not doing journalism on any level. He’s a full participant in helping a guy break his security clearance, and every time a decent reporter calls him out on it, he throws a fit. Kristen Welker didn’t do ONE THING to deserve that ridiculous display.

  41. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    That network is bad for politics, and bad for the country.

    My God! Put them all in concentration camps!

    Actually, “Lean Forward” and you will see the boiling cauldron of hate that is truly bad for politics and the country. A network that altered tapes to try to stir up racial hatred.

  42. Oh man, this thing is nauseating. Fox News telling you how fair and wonderful and powerful Fox News is. That’s good television, people!

  43. So much for this FNC Special being news.
    This FOX News Channel history show is an old show from 2010. 😛
    When they talk to the F&F Hosts it’s Steve, Gretchen and Brian.😛
    They updated the show intro for the show and host changes in 2013.

  44. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    Personally, I am watching FOX. RaboDirect Pro12 Rugby on Fox Soccer Plus. Connacht at Munster from Cork.

  45. Greenwald is not doing journalism on any level. He’s a full participant in helping a guy break his security clearance, and every time a decent reporter calls him out on it, he throws a fit. Kristen Welker didn’t do ONE THING to deserve that ridiculous display.

    It’s gotten tiresome. I’m just so tired of Edward Snowden. If he were the hero his cult seems to think he is, he’d face the music. He’s a coward who hates America and is trying to turn the world against is while hiding behind Glenn Greenwald figuratively and literally hiding in other counties.

  46. It appears the FNC show is from 2011.

  47. savefarris Says:

    Four U.S. military personnel are being held by the Libyan government

    There’s no way that can be true, ice. It was all a youtube video…

  48. savefarris Says:

    If he were the hero his cult seems to think he is, he’d face the music.

    Because if there’s one thing the Obama administration is known for, it’s transparency and fairness when dealing with those with whom they have an axe to grind…

  49. Is the G-y Left really “outraged” over Phil Robertson? Because it’s almost as if they didn’t get everything else they wanted, last year.

  50. The way some people are acting, you’d almost think that he’d instituted DOMA and denied favoring SSM until it suited him politically, instead of being an old man talking like an old man.

  51. After several major victories, these lobby groups need to fuel outrage and make a big deal over minor things otherwise these ‘activists’ may need to find real jobs.

  52. It’s all the same. G-y rights, gun control, abortion, all of it. If they don’t have an effective enemy, they make one up.

  53. Oh for God’s sake. Now the Duck People are going to promote “tolerance”? I liked ’em better when they were preaching the evils of bestiality and reminding us how happy them Negroes were back in the day. Just shut up and shoot something.

  54. Or they could just do their stupid TV show, and most of us can go back to ignoring it. I don’t want child-raising tips from the Kardashian’s, either.

  55. “Actually, “Lean Forward” and you will see the boiling cauldron of hate that is truly bad for politics and the country. A network that altered tapes to try to stir up racial hatred.”

    Good analysis, Nixon. The outfit is an angry, hateful place.

  56. GLAD might be happy their effort tanked. They got used to being treated as heroes, and the A&E bullying was earning them pushback. Liberals often seem to mess up their gains with contemptuous bullying. Labor unions Exhibit A.

  57. Because if there’s one thing the Obama administration is known for, it’s transparency and fairness when dealing with those with whom they have an axe to grind…

    Snowden’s going away for life, transparency or not. You can support a traitor all you want, I won’t. A guy who runs to Russia and tries to get asylum from other countries under the premise that he’ll essentially serve as some sort of intelligence agent for their government is NOT the good guy. And his little cult of anarchists aren’t the good guys either.

    I’m no supporter of this president’s policies or the NSA crap that’s been going on for years – but I’m not going to pretend Snowden’s a hero either. He’s not.

  58. He’s a villain who did us a favor. Life’s complicated.

  59. CBS reported the unemployment rate for blacks is at 12.5%

    Worse is what’s happened to working blacks under Obama’s “recovery”. Since 2008 the median black annual income has dropped for blacks from $37,000 to $33,000.

    Half earn more than $33,000 — half earn less.

    Yesterday Andy touted JOBS JOBS JOBS!
    Problem is they SUCK SUCK SUCK!

    But by all means, let’s stir the racial pot against trivial Duck people and hope nobody notices the real problems.

  60. Uh, it was Duck Fart that made the “racial comments”. Noticing and responding is not “stirring the racial pot”, and most people can pay attention to more than one issue at a time. If anything, the racial comments should have gotten more play than they did, in a rather silly dust-up.

  61. But by all means, let’s stir the racial pot against trivial Duck people and hope nobody notices the real problems.

    Or we could talk about everything. Really, it’s not hard.

  62. I was talking about liberals in general and MSNBC in particular. Everything doesn’t have to be about the two of you.

    That was pretty funny.

  63. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    Snowden didn’t have the access to all of the information on his own. Just like Bradley “Chelsea” Manning. Both had to have been fed their treasure troves of material from others with much higher clearances. Who is the question. And where to start looking. The Government has more disgruntled employees than Unpainted Arizona.

  64. Your right Nixon.

  65. “You’re”

    that is

  66. He’s a villain who did us a favor. Life’s complicated.

    And people think he should be let off the hook because he did us a favor. It’s like saying someone who kills five people should be let off the hook because one of those people was a bad person.

    It’s just another “Lesser of the two evils” story. In this case, the US Government is the lesser of the two evils. I won’t shed a tear when Snowden has his “tragic car accident”.

  67. I was talking about liberals in general and MSNBC in particular. Everything doesn’t have to be about the two of you.

    Congratulations, that made no sense. My point was clear: People can talk about jobs and the Duck guy saying weird stuff about “happy black people” in the Jim Crow era. Try to keep up.

  68. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    Duck Fart

    šiihšiipapeekitikwa. A good name for a son.

  69. Not many think he should be let off the hook. Certainly not me,

  70. I think I’ll just go to bed. Night all.

  71. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    You’re right Nixon.

    My niece just retired from NSA. Her exact words, “There is no way that little pissant had access to all of that information.”

  72. This seems to be the new, automatic response. Accuse people of “stirring the racial pot”, when you can’t rationally defend what’s been said or done. You could just admit that what the person said/did was wrong, but that would hurt too much, or sacrifice some ideological purity. Can’t have that.

  73. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    I won’t shed a tear when Snowden has his “tragic car accident”.

    Anybody else you want killed, Andy? Snowden isn’t an enemy combatant. I can see kidnapping him and bringing him back for trial. We have a thing called due process. I know that seems outmoded and quaint in a day where the President of the United States can order a citizen of his own country killed in a drone strike.

  74. Glenn Greenwald has chosen a side. He’s chosen the side of Bradley/Chelsea Manning, Julian Assange and Edward Snowden. Yet he wants to accuse MSNBC of choosing a side? It’s amusing.

  75. Greenwald is a pansy “they’re all bad” Progressive. He conveniently gives himself the excuse to attack anyone who challenges him because of his moral superiority over the left and the right. “You’re all corrupt, I don’t answer to you!” Just answer the damn question, Glenn.

  76. I understand protecting your sources. Greenwald’s replaced “protecting” with “worshipping”.

    He’s an idealist who, like the TEA Party on the right, thinks progressives have to be pure liberals on every single issue.

  77. I suspect he had his talking points prepared before he knew Welker was sitting in. She’s as pure a journalist as is humanly possible these days, and he looked insane yelling at her with that BS.

  78. It’s been a default talking point for him. Any time someone asks him a question he doesn’t want to answer, he just resorts to claiming they’re shills for Obama. It’s gotten old.

  79. Anybody else you want killed, Andy?

    Did I say I want him killed? No, I did not. I simply said that I won’t shed a tear when he has his “tragic car accident”. And I won’t.

  80. Oh, and Nix, your little wisecrack about drones would actually be effective if you were talking to someone who supports Obama’s drone policies. You’re not.

  81. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    Did I say I want him killed? No, I did not. I simply said that I won’t shed a tear when he has his “tragic car accident”. And I won’t.

    It was very clear what you meant by “tragic car accident.” Especially with the quotation marks. So, do you want them to Silkwood his brakes? Or, would you prefer something more obvious to send a message, like simply shooting him while he’s at the wheel?

  82. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    Oh, and Nix, your little wisecrack about drones would actually be effective if you were talking to someone who supports Obama’s drone policies. You’re not.

    You’re condoning Government-sanctioned murder, so for you not to support the drones seems a bit hypocritical.

  83. “Whining” for the spelling bee win.

  84. Censorship. Who is it protecting? What does it say about the censor?

  85. Cable loves to do these stories about how the cabbie returns $300,000 or whatever, and it’s supposed to be all touching and heartwarming. Bah. If I ran across money like that, there’s no way I’d keep it, and the least of it is being a “good person”.

    Number one, you don’t get away with something like that. Karmically, whatever, you just don’t. Any minor reading of fiction will tell you this. Whether it’s guilt or the reality of suddenly having money when you previously didn’t, you just don’t get away with it. Number two, there’s cameras everywhere. That reason right there is pretty much the end of the story, these days. Number three, there’s the very minor chance that you’re being punked, for lack of a better word. The same people who might have given you credit, will suddenly tear your head off, for doing the thing that they fully expected you to do.
    And this is what I don’t understand. The thing where we applaud people for doing the “right thing”, when that should be what’s expected. Or it’s just a time-filler, and not worth this much thought,

  86. Now you see me… Now you don’t.

  87. Apropos of nothing, this ex-New Yorker will be sorry to see Ray Kelly leave. The one bright spot in DeBlasio’s election is that he hired Bill Bratton to replace Kelly.

  88. There are worse things to showcase on the news than a story of a cabbie finding $300,000 in cash who turns it in. If it inspires some kid finding an old lady’s purse at a bus stop to get it back to her, that isn’t so bad a thing now is it?

  89. ^ Wasn’t that a TV commercial, Larry? About the teen who finds an old lady’s purse and returns it to her?

  90. Much to CBS’s sorrow Carol, they lose John Miller to Bratton. He’s a unique asset, and I’m sure they let him break his contract in the hope he will return. Not all revolving doors are bad as long as you are aware. CBS made sure you were.

  91. Who knows Carol. Might have been based on a true story🙂

  92. The kids in my extended family found a dog this week. Desperate attempts are being made to return it.

  93. Why didn’t GLAAD have anything to say about Alec Baldwin’s rant(s)?

  94. ^Because he is supposed to be one of “theirs” and you don’t criticize your own. Just those you hate.

    Hypocritical no doubt – but no big deal for lefties.

    I have noticed in my TV market there are no more Baldwin commercials for Capital One. Just Samuel L. Jackson. Was there any announcement that Baldwin’s contract was cancelled/not renewed?

  95. It’s apples and oranges.
    Alec Baldwin used g@y slurs at photographers.
    Phil Robertson condemned h0m0sexuals.

    An unrelated note, Katie Pavlich is subbing for Pirro tonight.

  96. Makes a pretty anti-g@y fruit salad, I’d say

  97. In a further unrelated note, the filming of the Peirs Morgan segment in the next JACKASS movie has been completed.

  98. Gabriel Sherman watched a Fox News doc about Fox News on Fox News so you didn’t have to:

    Gabriel Sherman ‏@gabrielsherman
    Bill Hemmer says Fox News has been number one for 12 years, “how did that happen? You’re about to find out.”
    #foxnewsourstory

    Gabriel Sherman ‏@gabrielsherman
    Megyn Kelly says in Fox News documentary on Fox News that she’s “fair and balanced and fiery”
    #foxnewsourstory

    Gabriel Sherman ‏@gabrielsherman
    Martha MacCallum says Roger Ailes constantly “encourages us to think outside the box.”
    #foxnewsourstory

    Gabriel Sherman ‏@gabrielsherman
    Megyn Kelly on Fox News correspondents: “I think they’re the best in the business.”
    #foxnewsourstory

    Gabriel Sherman ‏@gabrielsherman
    Megyn Kelly: “When certain people who shall go nameless have suggested there’s not journalists at Fox News I wanna look them and go really?”

    Gabriel Sherman ‏@gabrielsherman
    Brit Hume says hiring Chris Wallace “shuts down the idea that this is a bunch of conservative odd balls.”
    #foxnewsourstory

    Gabriel Sherman ‏@gabrielsherman
    Hemmer: “Coming up, Sean Hannity let’s freedom ring!”
    #foxnewsourstory

    Gabriel Sherman ‏@gabrielsherman
    Hemmer to Hannity: “What do you say to the critics who say we are far from being fair and balanced?”
    #foxnewsourstory

    Gabriel Sherman ‏@gabrielsherman
    Hemmer says Bill O’Reilly is “bolder and fresher than ever.”
    #foxnewsourstory

    Gabriel Sherman ‏@gabrielsherman
    So it looks like the Fox News documentary about Fox News on Fox News has b-roll of Roger Ailes but no interview with him.
    #foxnewsourstory

  99. Funny how “Fox News: Our Story” was actually an old special from 2011.
    Just about all the studios the anchors and hosts were interviewed in have changed since they taped those interviews.
    Jon and Jenna were in the news room for “Happening Now”.
    Megyn’s studio had the old fake control room in the background.
    Shep was in his old studio H.
    The F&F hosts were in the old studio and it was Gretchen instead of Elizabeth.

  100. ^ Which conveniently allowed Megyn to present herself as “fair and balanced and fiery” as if “white Santa” and “white Jesus” and “this guy I didn’t investigate says Obamacare killed his business” never happened. Nice.

  101. Ah, 2011, when MSNBC had its best year ahead of it, and people still found Obama likable, and Black Santa had the ObamaCare timebomb hidden deep in his bag of black presents.

  102. Contessa Brewer has returned from maternity leave to resume co-anchoring the WNBC weekend AM newscasts.

  103. Ah, Obama is Black Santa. That’s hilarious!

  104. still manages to ignore the racial comments.

    Of course. Zurawik wants to discuss his article with Howie tomorrow, and FNC has banned the racial part from the story. It’s all about those terrible g@y people hating religious freedom; never mind that whole “happy oppressed black people” kerfuffle.

  105. Well, he doesn’t seem pleased about PR being unsuspended, though not at all surprised, He also trashed the idea that it’s a “free speech” issue. Minor details.

  106. Let’s read the minutes of the official FNC BAN THE BLACK PEOPLE MEETING. I got ’em around here somewhere.

  107. I’m not criticizing what Zurawik actually wrote. It’s the part that he left out that irritates me. In the real world there were several bizarre statements in that stupid GQ interview which collectively made Phil Robertson sound like a goon. Rightwing media is lying about what the story was about.

  108. It’s a right wing conspiracy, uh huh.

  109. It seems as though the “g-y” comments were the biggest hook, because the activists specifically went after that. I didn’t hear Black activists getting especially upset about the other stuff, at least not on CNN. The whole story, for the most part, appeared to revolve around his comments about The G-y. I’m guessing that’s why Fox did, as well.

  110. My vote: More Pavlich, less Pirro.

  111. This “g-y” thing is so confusing. For the record, I support Guy Rights!

  112. FNC did make the emphasis on the g@y comments and pretty much avoided the pre civil rights comments.

    Just the other day Uma did a debate segment with two guests about Jessie Jackson getting involved and not once did she bring up the pre civil rights comments which is part of the reason Jackson got involved.

  113. CNN talked about the pre civil rights comments on the 19th.
    Dan Savage weighs in on the “Duck Dynasty” debate saying Phil Robertson’s racist words were worse than his anti-g@y ones.
    http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/showbiz/2013/12/20/ac-live-savage-duck-dynasty-racism-worse-than-anti-g@y.cnn.html

  114. Doesn’t sound like the conspiracy is working.

  115. — CNN link —

    ^ Page not found. AC usually has good people, though, so I can believe that they discussed it.

  116. From the GQ article:
    “I never, with my eyes, saw the mistreatment of any black person. Not once. Where we lived was all farmers. The blacks worked for the farmers. I hoed cotton with them. I’m with the blacks, because we’re white trash. We’re going across the field…. They’re singing and happy. I never heard one of them, one black person, say, ‘I tell you what: These doggone white people’—not a word!… Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues.”

    Are these the racial comments?

  117. You need to replace the @ with an a thanks to the word censoring.😛

  118. Are these the racial comments?

    They’re disrespectful comments intended to back up a narrative that “things were just fine before all those changes the government made”. Robertson has a right to his politics; he does not have a right to “know” how happy his African-American co-workers were under a Jim Crow America.

  119. You need to just extrapolate a little, Al. I’m sure someone will help.

  120. Ah. Gotcha.

    — racial comments —
    Shorthand, perhaps. Not actually “ugly”, in the way that the g-y comments were, but exhibiting a definite ignorance that might have resolved itself, over the years.

  121. He has a right to say the people he knew seemed to be happy. Could he have misjudged, well sure, but what jerks would cancel his show for it?

  122. Sorry, Al. I didn’t realize you were simply asking if those were the correct “racial comments” people have been talking about.

  123. I thought A&E framed the suspension in terms of a response to GLAAD that A&E was a champion of he LGBT community? Correct me if I’m wrong, but if so the reinstatement story has to deal with the reasons they gave for the suspension. Not other reasons ducks are disgusting things.

  124. His words can certainly be interpreted negatively and there’s plenty to be critical about. But to properly use the quote in context we need to use more of it than just the “they were happy” part. He said “They were Godly; they were happy…”

  125. Blacks would sing while working to lift their spirits, not because they were happy. This is common knowledge. Robertson’s just another phony Christian who thinks that poor people and people who are treated like second class citizens are the problem. His life was probably simpler before blacks fought for their rights and LGBTs fought for their rights.

    Personally, I hope the Republicans keep idolizing this guy and holding him up as a champion of conservative values. I’m sure the left would love to play clips of Conservative politicians talking about how Phil Robertson’s the Rosa Parks of our generation followed by clips of bigoted Phil Robertson statements.

  126. Andy reads his mind. Tomorrow I will read Andy’s. No, I’d just be guessing based on my own notions.

  127. Robertson’s “pre-entitlement, pre-welfare” statements are just typical far-right talking points about how blacks have become lazy ever since the government made changes or something like that. I heard that crap from Newt Gingrich in the election about how black kids are lazy because food stamps and they need to become janitors or something.

  128. Or something. Yep, that was it Andy..

  129. — pre-entitlement/welfare —

    I seriously doubt that his thoughts are as complex as all that. There is an argument to be made that “entitlements” have created a permanent underclass that cuts across all races, but I would be surprised if he could articulate that in any understandable way.

  130. It’s always good to hear the truth about the black experience from old white guys..

  131. After the start of the year this silly trivial piece of fluff I predict will be pushed out by something actually important: the 1,300,000 people whose unemployment insurance checks are cut off. What, if anything, to do about that is a topic rich with meaning and consequence. Will be a pleasure to bury ducks & Santa.

  132. There is an argument to be made that “entitlements” have created a permanent underclass that cuts across all races

    But this entitlement/welfare talk only comes up when white guys are talking about black guys. It’s race-baiting.

  133. “It’s always good to hear the truth about the black experience from old white guys.”

    Or any white guys.

  134. No, it’s portrayed as “race-baiting” by a Party that want’s to keep its voters in pocket. That sword swings both ways.

  135. This topic actually was going somewhere and Andy steered it into… Something.

  136. I’m going to bed early. No, I can tuck myself in. Goodnight.

  137. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    “It’s always good to hear the truth about the black experience from old white guys.”

    Or any white guys.

    Some whites seem to think that they are more qualified to comment on the experiences of non-whites, than the non-whites themselves.

  138. There must be some context of this beyond what’s in the GQ article that I’ve missed. That quote appears in the article under the heading “Phil On Growing Up in Pre-Civil-Rights-Era Louisiana” but the question he’s answering, if any, is not included. The gist of other parts of what he says goes to how bad he was and unhappy even with his relative successes in life.

    Since he was dirt poor and in the cotton fields with them, his own family would have qualified for the same welfare and entitlements. Could be, in the context of everything else he was speaking of throughout that interview, he was saying that their lot in life did not make them unhappy, nor did they need welfare and entitlements to become happy. They were Godly people and that’s a connection he didn’t fully realise until later in life.

  139. No, it’s portrayed as “race-baiting” by a Party that want’s to keep its voters in pocket. That sword swings both ways.

    It’s race baiting because this silly talk about “entitlements” and “welfare” only comes up when talking about black people not having jobs. When conservative politicians talk about white people not having jobs, it’s because of “the food stamp president”. Pick a standard.

  140. There has been plenty of discussion of Duck Guy’s comments from “non-whites”. Most of it involving exactly what I’ve been saying for 10 days: A white guy has no business determining how happy black people were in the ’50’s based on “they sounded happy and didn’t complain”. It was a ridiculous and unnecessary statement.

  141. If Robertson was commenting on how blacks in general felt during the 50s then I would agree his statement to be ridiculous and certainly unnecessary. However, from the words as written in the article, it is not at all clear that that was what he was talking about. I believe it’s clear that he speaks disparagingly about welfare and entitlements, but it reads to me that the primary subject of his words were “God” and being “born again.”

  142. “I never, with my eyes, saw the mistreatment of any black person. Not once. Where we lived was all farmers. The blacks worked for the farmers. I hoed cotton with them. I’m with the blacks, because we’re white trash. We’re going across the field…. They’re singing and happy. I never heard one of them, one black person, say, ‘I tell you what: These doggone white people’—not a word!… Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues.”

    Al, what I get out of it is that Robertson didn’t see or hear of any mistreatment, and that they were “happy; no one was singing the blues”. That is a “see no evil, hear no evil” argument that seems a little presumptuous and insulting. I have no idea why he even felt compelled to mention it. Phil Robertson has no business drawing these conclusions about people from 50 to 60 years ago.

  143. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    Since he was dirt poor and in the cotton fields with them, his own family would have qualified for the same welfare and entitlements. Could be, in the context of everything else he was speaking of throughout that interview, he was saying that their lot in life did not make them unhappy, nor did they need welfare and entitlements to become happy. They were Godly people and that’s a connection he didn’t fully realise until later in life.

    When he was young, most of the welfare and entitlements didn’t exist. And, quite often, people of various races saw themselves as kindred spirits sharing the same lot in life. He was talking about taking refuge in faith. Too many are trying to fit him for a sheet instead of putting things in context of life experience.

  144. Blacks would sing to lift their spirits, not because they’re happy. Anyone with half a brain knows this. For the love of all things holy, It’s how “the blues” soul music originated.

  145. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    Al, what I get out of it is that Robertson didn’t see or hear of any mistreatment, and that they were “happy; no one was singing the blues”. That is a “see no evil, hear no evil” argument that seems a little presumptuous and insulting. I have no idea why he even felt compelled to mention it.

    He was stating his recollections from the eyes of a young boy.

    Phil Robertson has no business drawing these conclusions about people from 50 to 60 years ago.

    Who are you to judge? Who are any of us to judge what another has in his heart?

  146. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    Blacks would sing to lift their spirits, not because they’re happy. Anyone with half a brain knows this. For the love of all things holy, It’s how “the blues” soul music originated.

    Yeah. I remember that from a documentary called “Blazing Saddles.”

  147. The bottom line is this: I grew up in poor black communities as I was a poor white kid. As a result I have a fair amount of firsthand experience with a culture which isn’t directly my own, but one thing I cannot do is tell you how they FELT while living in my neighborhood. I do not know what black folks said to each other about their lives in their homes. I do not know what their happy-to-unhappy index was. I was not them.

  148. How would you know that Andy? Actually, the history of American gospel music, and Negro Spiritual music in particular, tells us otherwise. Library shelves are filled with literature of the time describing a kind of happiness that most of us have never experienced. “We weren’t poor. We just didn’t have any money” comes from the Great Depression when people who we would consider to be dirt poor always managed to toss a nickel into the kettle for the needy.

  149. “We weren’t poor. We just didn’t have any money”

    Exactly. Note the word “we”. You want to know how people felt about their lives decades ago? Read their own words.

  150. You interpret Robertson’s words to be an opinion of blacks at the time. I read them to be an opinion of himself… those he personally worked with in the cotton fields had something lifting their spirits that he hadn’t yet understood. I don’t find fault with that part. I do, however, wonder if he fully realises that he’s now looking back and seeing things through the eyes of a multimillionaire.

  151. Al, I’ve heard from a lot of African-Americans who would have appreciated him spending more time on memories of his childhood, and less on their’s. What they heard was “your grandparents were fine with things the way they were”, and it’s insulting.

    There’s only so far you can go with “he meant well” before you have to recognize when a man has gone a little too far out on a limb that ain’t his to walk. Ole Phil went on quite a walk there.

  152. Joe: I am reading the exact quote that you referenced. There is no added context given in the article that I can find. Because I don’t know what parts the author omitted from his piece I have to be on the fence about what that quote really says. But, from what is written within the context of the entire article, he’s looking up to them with high praise. Unless “godly” is considered disparaging now.

    For all I know, many people commenting on it didn’t read the entire article. In fact, when I commented on it a few days ago in a past FfA debating with… lonestar, I believe, I had only skimmed the entire article and relied heavily on just that paragraph.

    You want to know how people felt about their lives decades ago? Read their own words.
    You can also how find out how people felt at various times in their lives by having a conversation and asking them. It is absolutely possible to know and understand how someone else feels. I have not once in my life, for example, experienced the anxieties and hopelessness of a deep depression in my own mind. But I can feel and describe it with such clarity that anyone who has ever been there will know how well I do understand them.

  153. This is not as complicated as you are presenting. Phil said that he heard no complaints from black people, and they were happy. Some people found this presumptuous and insulting. Personally I couldn’t care less; didn’t ask for him to have any consequences; and think A&E should have ignored the whole thing.

  154. I don’t think it’s complicated at all. And I still suspect the whole controversy was intentionally hatched so more Duck Dynasty products would sell off the shelves before the post-Christmas mark-downs. GQ magazine? I’m sure tens of its subscribers were hoping to see him featured.

  155. I don’t think anyone would’ve been smart enough to create this little spectacle for ratings. I heard somewhere (probably Reliable Sources) that the pressure to “do something” came from people within A&E; people who’d heard plenty that hit the editing room floor long before the interview. This story sounds plausible.

  156. During a family Christmas meal, among my daughter’s guests was a retired auto worker and his wife. Nice people. Union type, all that. Somebody else made a comment about Obamacare and this guy starts in on “That’s why I watch Fox News every night so I can find out just how bad I’m getting screwed. And if there’s nothing good on at least they have pretty girls to watch.”

    Being the trained observer of people that I am, it seemed a safe bet that he was mocking Fox News. WHOA – I could not have been more wrong. His wife sort of mocked him for watching it every night so I dumbly opened my mouth to say I had tried watching AJA. They both looked at me like I was a Communist. Former school teacher, turns out Bill O’Reilly is must-see tv for her. “Do you ever see that in England?” Ugh.

    Maybe I should introduce them to ICN.

  157. ^^ I agree, of course. But the timing of it and having an interview with GQ of all things when so much of what the guy says has been out there for years I have to wonder.

  158. MSNBC’s Dyson: ‘Phil Robertson and Duck Dynasty Part of Majority White Supremacist Culture’

    Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2013/12/28/msnbc-s-dyson-phil-robertson-and-duck-dynasty-part-majority-white-sup#ixzz2osgGwk8Y

    stir, stir, stir the racial pot. Keep it boiling so, just maybe blacks won’t notice Obama’s “recovery” has left them behind.

  159. “Maybe I should introduce them to ICN.”

    Wait’l they get a load of me.

  160. Don’t recall seeing this, close to a year ago. I guess you have to invent an Etch-a-Sketch to get a cool obit like this.
    http://www.nytimes.com/video/magazine/100000002613889/an-animated-tribute-to-andr-cassagnes.html

  161. “There are those who have said our ambition for this city is too bold … we are New Yorkers”
    Bill de Blasio

    After stinking up the national stage with bold “Hope an Change” false promises, liberalism sets up for a fall in NYC.

    Mr. Mayor, let’s see you do something.

  162. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    “Maybe I should introduce them to ICN.”

    Wait’ll they get a load of me.

    I don’t think that you’ll shock them, Larry. They already seem like nice people who have seen the loony left for what it is. You and them are starting out on common ground. The big question is – Are they ready for a brain damaged indian who makes Vice President Bite-Me look normal.

  163. Re: Dyson

    Between that and his “Christians are actually g_y”, it looks like he’s making a pretty hard play for the Bashir slot.

  164. Howard Dean on Fox News Sunday??? Don’t think I’ve ever seen Dr. Dean on FOX. When I was a receptionist for an investment bank, I met many Democratic politicians (why does everyone think investment bankers are Republican?). Never saw a Republican come through our doors, come to think of it. Anyway, Howard Dean was one of the ones I met. He was very nice, very friendly, and very polite. Barney Frank was just OK. Mary Landrieu, just my opinion, was not friendly at all and seemed to look down on me. Tom Lantos was very old-school polite. I liked him and was sorry to hear of his death not too long after I met him.

  165. Dean strikes me as being a bit of a fun devil. He can never be counted to stay on script. Did a good job as an intelligent head of the DNC but hacked off enough Obama people to be snubbed for inclusion in the Administration. Honest liberal.

  166. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    Re: Dyson

    Between that and his “Christians are actually g_y”, it looks like he’s making a pretty hard play for the Bashir slot.

    Mabye he’s just trying to fit in at that freak show.

  167. You think people are upset about their health insurance rates going up?

    Just wait until they find out that the price of light bulbs is increasing by %1400 on Wednesday.

  168. I have no warm feelings about de Blasio, an opportunist wedged into a crack allowing a liberal to take control of NYC for the first time in 20 years. Here’s a guy who padded his electability with a family reality show thrusting children into the limelight. That included a fragile daughter with no business being there.

  169. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    Mary Landrieu, just my opinion, was not friendly at all and seemed to look down on me.

    Mary treats everybody that way. She’s Moon’s self-entitled little girl.

  170. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    I have no warm feelings about de Blasio, an opportunist wedged into a crack allowing a liberal to take control of NYC for the first time in 20 years. Here’s a guy who padded his electability with a family reality show thrusting children into the limelight. That included a fragile daughter with no business being there.

    The putz was a big supporter of the Sandinistas, and him and his wife honeymooned in Cuba. You can only guess where this cockroach will lead New York.

    They’d have been better off with Carlos Danger.

  171. This is worrying.

    Le Dauphine Libere newspaper reported on its website that Schumacher’s condition had worsened and that his life was now endangered.

  172. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    He hit his head on a rock, that is never good.

  173. Darrell Issa doesn’t like facts.

    Andrew Kaczynski ‏@BuzzFeedAndrew
    Darrell Issa v. New York Times Round One http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/benghazi-new-york-times-issa-al-qaeda

  174. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    So, the Administration’s story has gone from, “It was the reaction to a video,” to “A planned terrorist attack,” and now back to the video.
    However, as a famous woman once said, “What, at this point, does it matter?”

  175. It’s a New York Times investigation. They did that weird thing where you actually go to the place and talk to people on the ground. What they found is much closer to initial reports than anything that has been simplified and trumped up since. Naturally.

  176. On the “Talks Like A Duck” segment of today’s MEDIABUZZ, both Kurtz and Z referenced “outrageous comments about black” from Papa-duck. Where do these two come off violating a clear FOX ban?

  177. But when Gregory said Rice’s initial assessment, that the attack was a spontaneous event, had been “bolstered” by Kirkpatrick’s reporting, he interrupted.

    “No, we’re not bolstering that original assessment,” Kirkpatrick said. “In fact, she made some clear misstatements there. This was not a street protest and it was not a copycat of what happened in Cairo. That was an unarmed street protest. This was a group of armed men, who, inspired by a video, deliberately attacked the compound. So what she’s doing there through her misstatement is actually setting up kind of a false dichotomy. Either it was a spontaneous street protest or it was an armed terrorist attack. Neither of those turns out to be exactly the case. It was an armed terrorist attack motivated in large part by the video.”

    And wait for the dust to settle on this guy’s story. NYT, you know they have their issues.

  178. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    It’s a New York Times investigation. They did that weird thing where you actually go to the place and talk to people on the ground. What they found is much closer to initial reports than anything that has been simplified and trumped up since. Naturally.

    Naturally. Is Jayson Blair back with them and making up stuff again? The New York Times has a history, and it isn’t one to envy. My suspicion is that they are trying to rehabilitate the reputation of Frau Clinton.

  179. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    On the “Talks Like A Duck” segment of today’s MEDIABUZZ, both Kurtz and Z referenced “outrageous comments about black” from Papa-duck. Where do these two come off violating a clear FOX ban?

    They may’ve meant Donald calling Mickey the N-word. I never did like that fowl-mouthed quackpot.

  180. Like I said, facts don’t matter. If the story doesn’t fit the rightwing myth, the story is wrong. Perfect.

  181. “perfect”
    Adding to my list of one word finishes. Will be included in my book.

  182. “Mary treats everybody that way. She’s Moon’s self-entitled little girl.”

    Thanks, Nixon. I won’t take her behavior personally anymore!

  183. watching RELIABLE SOURCES doing a media end of year retrospective. On section on cable news you hear all network ratings are soft, but not that FOX is still double the other two combined. On Megyn’s new show you get “by the way, she’s white” (Ha Ha) snark, but no mention of her success. Nor would you get any idea CNN was third place stuck again. The first panel of nobodies tried to be funny, but it was a Current TV caliber of boring. Hope second half better.

  184. Folkinflik after commercial on RELIABLE SOURCES — has grown a bead — looks like the villian on HOMELAND.

  185. CNN is reporting that Michael Shumacher is in a coma, had brain surgery.

  186. Now a grinning Brian Stelter interviewing Anderson Cooper and Kathy Griffin. too much … Too much.

  187. why does everyone think investment bankers are Republican?
    You’re absolutely right, Carol. Investment banker types have long been predominantly liberal because big government regulators provide their industry with nearly guaranteed profits along with almost guaranteed bailouts when they screw up. It’s not true capitalism by any stretch.

    I’ve met Dr. Steinberg, Howard Dean’s wife, and thought her to be a lovely person.

  188. NBC Lisa Meyers just did a horrifying report for Nightly News on how employees of a Jackson, Michigan auto dealership have been decimated under ObamaCare insurance changes. Just awful!

  189. Middle-class liberals have been woken up to the fact that liberalism costs real money, and in this case, THEY are paying for it.

  190. The most intense Week 17 in NFL history and y’all are watching the news???

  191. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    “Mary treats everybody that way. She’s Moon’s self-entitled little girl.”

    Thanks, Nixon. I won’t take her behavior personally anymore!

    It’s best not to take the childish behavior of these politicians personally. The arrogant ones are the type that see themselves as royalty.

  192. I can multitask, Andy. If you were a Pittsburgh fan, you’re crying in your beer.

  193. “You’re absolutely right, Carol. Investment banker types have long been predominantly liberal because big government regulators provide their industry with nearly guaranteed profits along with almost guaranteed bailouts when they screw up. It’s not true capitalism by any stretch.

    I’ve met Dr. Steinberg, Howard Dean’s wife, and thought her to be a lovely person.”

    Al, I wish the government had bailed out Lehman Brothers, where I worked, but no. We were made an example of by Hank Paulson, formerly of Goldman Sachs, who always hated Lehman.
    I’m not surprised Dr. Steinberg is a nice person. When her husband was running for president she was interviewed about why she didn’t take time off from her practice and travel with him. She was so genuine in her concern for her patients and didn’t want to leave them without their regular doctor for months. I admired her for that attitude.

  194. I can multitask, Andy. If you were a Pittsburgh fan, you’re crying in your beer.

    I’m a Jacksonville Jaguars fan. I don’t get mad anymore.

  195. So, there’s going to be a press conference at 5am EST regarding Michael Schumacher’s condition. I imagine Al Jazeera America will cover this since they simulcast the international “Newshour” broadcast at that time.

  196. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    Carol, Hank Paulson ought to be in an orange jumpsuit.

  197. Hadn’t watched AJA in a while. Turned on the newscast during the 4 p.m. eastern hour. I learned so much about world news. It is a shame we can’t get more of those stories on the other cable channels.

  198. “Carol, Hank Paulson ought to be in an orange jumpsuit.”

    Nixon, I agree. And Dick Fuld, too. Maybe they can share a cell.

  199. savefarris Says:

    Robin Roberts admits she’s in a same-gender relationship.

    Remember when Obama officially announced his flip-flop on g_y marriage? Yep, in an interview with Robin Roberts.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/transcript-robin-roberts-abc-news-interview-president-obama/story?id=16316043

  200. Uh, a flip-flop is when you keep changing positions and nobody knows what you stand for (see: Mitt Romney). POTUS changed his mind on SSM once. Like lots of people in the last 10 years.

  201. On Sunday’s Reliable Sources, Kathy Griffin actually asked new host Brian Stelter, “Have you ever spooned with Candy Crowley?…You might get a better time slot”.

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2013/12/29/kathy-griffin-asks-cnn-host-have-you-ever-spooned-candy-crowley#ixzz2ovdLzY7d

  202. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    Kathy’s a class act.

  203. Trivia question: who has hosted BOTH Fox News Sunday and Face The Nation?

  204. As if Newsbusters is really outraged that Kathy Griffin would say something outrageous. There’s no way she would ever do that on CNN.😛

  205. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    I believe that you mean Meet the Press. The answer would be Chris Wallace.

  206. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    As if Newsbusters is really outraged that Kathy Griffin would say something outrageous. There’s no way she would ever do that on CNN.

    Ice, who knows what she’ll do, after kissing Cooper in a naughty spot last year.

  207. Nope Nix, question was properly stated, but that’s a good one too.

  208. Hint – he hosted Face The Nation today.

  209. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    Hint – he hosted Face The Nation today.

    I didn’t see it, but according to this morning’s paper, it was supposed to be Major Garrett.

  210. for the win.
    Guest hosted both.

  211. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    for the win.
    Guest hosted both.

    I was originally thinking permanent host.

  212. Chris Wallace needs to learn to say Affordable Care Act or ACA. “Obamacare” is fine as a righty nickname which the left then tried to hijack, but a supposedly neutral journalist introducing a segment on a Sunday news show shouldn’t be using it like the law is actually called that.

  213. As Obama himself calls it ObamaCare that’s a bit desperate for a Fox bash. Like a cop not having filled his ticket quota.

  214. Here’s David Gregory. Notice the words on the screen.

  215. Oh drat that www thingy.

  216. Uh, yeah, I don’t like it when Morning Joe does it, either. I was commenting on the guy I actually saw do it today. I hated “Star Wars”, too. It was Strategic Defense Initiative, or SDI.

  217. Interesting to hear Kirsten Powers, Judy Miller and Lauren Ashburn’s comments on “Twitter culture”. I remember when Kirsten used to have fewer followers, and she would interact a bit more. Now she says it’s just “toxic”, and all of them said they don’t read the tweets that they get.

  218. ^ I don’t blame them. The things said to well-known women – especially political-leaning ones – on Twitter are just brutal. Kirsten blocked me just for disagreeing with her. My sense is she does that as a preventative measure at the first sign of criticism. It bummed me out, but I understand it.

  219. There are reports of a second operation on Michael Schumacher. A doctor on Twitter said this is not good news.

  220. The second surgery report was false. The 5am est press conference was fairly inconclusive beyond that. He’s “in a critical condition, and fighting for his life.” So we wait.

  221. I actually heard these words on Morning Joe, and from a conservative I respect, Matt K. Lewis. He said acknowledging that the Benghazi attack was partially fueled by the Mohammed video means “America is at fault”. That is the dumbest damn thing I’ve ever heard. If the crazed Muslim lunatics were pissed off about a video, then that’s what happened. It’s still their fault for being crazed Muslim lunatics! I can’t even believe I heard a grown man talk like that.

  222. “Interesting to hear Kirsten Powers, Judy Miller and Lauren Ashburn’s comments on “Twitter culture”.”

    What I found “interesting” about that segment of Media Buzz was that although it was supposedly about ‘twitter culture’ they still found time to bring up both the Baldwin and Bashir (twice) comments and yet seem to forget all about Megyn Kelly’s “black Santa” remarks; which were much more relevant to the conversation.🙂

    The show has pretty much devolved into a remake of Fox News Watch hosted by a guy that looks embarrassed at what he’s doing.

    Meanwhile Reliable Sources has become one of my favorite shows. Howie at his best was no where as good as Stelter and his team.

  223. ^ Minus 2 — misuse of a🙂

  224. AFFORDABLE CARE ACT might has well as called it the LIAR’s CARE ACT as “affordable” is a joke now. Democrats better off calling it OBAMACARE.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-i-like-the-name-obamacare/2012/09/02/869180aa-f543-11e1-86a5-1f5431d87dfd_video.html

  225. Showing a basic problem with the the liberal brain: screws up the optic nerve to see things not there, but what they want to be there:

    “hosted by a guy that looks embarrassed at what he’s doing.”

  226. Blocking unpleasant sounding people is a Twitter prerogative.

  227. I don’t know that I’d say Buzz is a remake of Fox News Watch, because it’s moderately watchable. It’s a lightweight, immediately forgettable show which, unfortunately, aligns it with much of what Fox does. Stelter manages to hit everyone, including his own network and John King, on their misreporting of the Boston Bombing. He does a serious show about media criticism, and does what he did when he wrote for the NYT. Howie does…something else.

  228. Yeah, that kathy Griffin stuff had serious written all over it. Perfect.

  229. liberal solution to drug the child to make it pliable gets a second look:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/30/health/adhd-experts-re-evaluate-studys-zeal-for-drugs.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20131230

    When a boy ain’t a boy but a zombie…

  230. It IS interesting, upon reflection, that during an end-of-year wrapup, Howard couldn’t find one thing for which to criticize Fox. Is it possible for ANY news network to go an entire year without a major muck-up? Doubtful.
    Stelter wants his network to be better, while Howard panders to those who imagine Fox to be perfect.

  231. Reliable Sources did the End of Year recap show, MEDIABUZZ did not. Pay attention.

  232. @mattdrudge:
    Note how none of the yearender ‘lists’ rank IRS scandal as a top story. Reporters and editors are scared ****less…

  233. “Reporters and editors are scared ****less…”

    ^^Or it was a fake story that wasn’t ‘news story’ outside of right wing blogs and FNC.

  234. “It IS interesting, upon reflection, that during an end-of-year wrapup, Howard couldn’t find one thing for which to criticize Fox.”

    ^^I noticed that too Laura. The first two segments were basically Obama/Obamacare bashing under the fig leaf of media criticism.

    That’s why I think it’s a lot like FNW. Everybody works for Fox News or sounds like that’s their goal for being there. And that fake David Zurawik laugh just makes my skin crawl.

  235. Zurawik went after A&E pretty hard, and in more depth than he did in his column. He’s a bit of an odd character, no question. The Politico advertisement went on forever, as his interviews generally do.

  236. Nor did he criticize FOX in the middle of it.

  237. ^^Or it was a fake story that wasn’t ‘news story’ outside of right wing blogs and FNC.

    ^^^Or reporters don’t want to get the Sheryl Atkinson/James Rosen treatment…

    If other outlets thought it was a fake story, they’d pound FNC for it they way they do for Benghazi/Birthers/WaronChristmas instead of ignoring it entirely lest the general public be reminded of the Admin’s sins.

  238. You know those crash reports Microsoft was automatically sending from your computer to help the user community and would remain anonymous?

    Yep, the NSA was intercepting them.

  239. RIP, Andy Granatelli.

  240. Zurawik’s laugh is like the angels singing compared to the “humorous” banter between Kurtz and Ashburn. Or any Kurtz “ad lib”, really.

  241. Politifact 2013: “If you like your insurance…” is Lie of the Year.

    Politifact 2012: CrossroadsGPS claiming “If you like your insurance…” is a lie is a giant lie.

    http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2012/may/21/crossroads-gps/crossroads-says-obama-broke-his-promise-health-car/

    Politifact has some ‘splanin to do.

  242. Harris-Perry isn’t a comedian is she? Not sure what she is. Did they have any good Palin retarded baby jokes?

  243. “If other outlets thought it was a fake story, they’d pound FNC for it they way they do for Benghazi/Birthers/WaronChristmas”

    ^^They did “pound FNC” for doing the fake IRS story. Mostly they just laughed at FNC over how stupid the whole made up IRS story was.

  244. Anyone but me think Pope Francis looks like Ed Wynn?

  245. “Zurawik’s laugh is like the angels singing compared to the “humorous” banter between Kurtz and Ashburn.”

    ^^LOL! Gotta agree Laura. The stilted banter/flirting between those two is just creepy.

  246. Yeah, fair to a fault Fritz, Obama laughed too:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/13/obama-irs-scandal_n_3266577.html

    And USA Today thought it a knee slapper:
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2013/09/29/irs-tea-party-column/2892135/

    And did you hear the one “The IRS story was so ‘fake’ that Lois Lerner plead the 5th rather than testify”

    HAHAHA Hahahaha!

  247. And the banter between glowing-mouth Brian and Griffin was anything but creepy – maybe cringeworthy, but not creepy.

  248. Media Buzz has some ways to go to be the gladhanding trainwreck Fox News Watch was, but it gets a little closer with each appearance by that show’s panelists.

    Yesterday was Judith Miller’s turn to forget what show she’s on now. The first words out of her mouth were “mainstream media finally something something blah blah blah” (hint, Judy: you’re part of the MSM, and it’s not your job to talk about the rest of it as if speaking from the ivory tower of The Great Fox News), then she used the “people are mean on Twitter” segment to mention the lack of civility of – wait for it – everyone not pre-approved by FNC, with a nice shoutout to Alec Baldwin and Martin Bashir. No, I have no idea what Baldwin and Bashir have to do with people getting mad at Steve Martin and Justine Sacco.

  249. The Cycle is doing some year in review show and it’s probably the worst thing I’ve ever watched on cable news.

  250. The Cycle

    It’s. Bad.

  251. It’s. Bad.

    I can’t stop watching. It’s a trainwreck.

  252. R. I. P. Andy Granatelli
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/30/sports/autoracing/andy-granatelli-dies-at-90-revved-businesses-and-cars.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20131230

    Even I heard of him.

    It’s been a really really dark year for motorsports. Lots of great racers and prominent motorsports figures have died this year on and off the track (Granatelli, Leffler to name a few) not to mention the injuries Michael Schumacher received this past weekend and Tony Stewart, Denny Hamlin and Dario Franchitti received in accidents this year. Then there was that thing at Daytona.

  253. Q. Is society more coarse and angry these day because of Twitter… No, you see it on all media from people like Baldwin and Bashir.

  254. As a conservative media outlet FOX is anything but mainstream. An odd trickle in the raging currents of a liberal flow.

  255. When does Megyn return?

  256. No, society isn’t angrier because of Twitter. Twitter just exposes how hateful, vile and angry people can be. If anything, biased media outlets like Fox News and MSNBC needs to look at themselves for the endless divisive rhetoric that seeks only to make people angry.

  257. “The Cycle is doing some year in review show”

    ^^Year in review shows are really hard to do well. There’s always a temptation to try something different and usually these experiments fail spectacularly. I find the good ones have some context as to why the event occurred and what’s happened since the event occurred.

    The best I’ve seen so far was Chuck Todd’s on Daily Rundown the other day. Not just an endless list of events with the same video clips everyone else is using. And the discussion panel was sharp and funny. Always a good combination.

  258. Give an opinion. Some won’t like it. Some will be angry. Never fails.

  259. — Twitter —

    That was why I found that segment interesting. Kirsten said that she thinks people have always been this way, but now they have an outlet. I agree. I also think that all of us are capable of a snap-reaction, and piling on without thinking, depending upon the subject.

  260. The anonymity is a factor. Using your full, real name an oddity for most other than public figures.

  261. John Roberts in for Bret on Special Report.

  262. Democrat Adam Schiff in the intelligence Committee agrees with the Republican chairman Rogers that the NYT Benghazi report is deficient and that A l Qaeda was involved.

  263. http://www.wdbj7.com/news/local/virginia-tech-chosen-by-faa-to-test-drones/-/20128466/23694810/-/34dv46z/-/index.html

    I hope the towns and counties around Blacksburg start issuing drone hunting licenses. I want it to be legal to “react” when I see one flying over my property.

  264. Not content for Harris-Perry to grab the MSNBC Bashir-Poomouth Award, “Big Words” Dyson jumps in http://www.mediaite.com/tv/dyson-dismisses-phil-robertsons-biracial-grandson-abner-louimas-sodomizer-had-mixed-race-kin-too/

  265. “@eScarry: Romney mocked by MSNBC in 2012 for tax returns showing his charity donations. Mocked in 2013 for having black adopted grandson.”

  266. “@feldmaniac: Chris Matthews is literally doing an hour-long special on how much Republicans suck.”

  267. Don Lemon doing the Melissa Harris-Perry bit. Dean Obediah was in on the segment on MS, so that’s also interesting.

  268. This is about as on fire as I’ve ever seen Ana Navarro.

  269. That was a good segment. Navarro wins, but everybody make good points.

  270. That dude on Twitter is apparently mystified that partisan opinion television does hours on how much the other side sucks. #Hannity

  271. Exactly. Where was the outrage when Hannity referred to as a “cheapskate weasel”?
    youtube.com/watch?v=Rbhna4sVpjk

  272. I find it telling that the very first instinct was to laugh over the presence of a mixed-race child in that picture. I can’t help but think that a reverse situation would invite all sorts of judgments of the people involved.

  273. Greg Pollowitz ‏@GPollowitz
    If Rush Limbaugh had sung “which one of these is not like the other” about an Obama pic with his white grandparents, @msnbc would say _____?

  274. But see, Ice, it’s completely different when Sean or Megyn or Billo spend hours upon countless hours running clips of stuff Dems say which bugs them. ‘Cause they’re RIGHT.

  275. For the record – because “they all made good points” will be misconstrued even though I said “Navarro wins” – MHP and her panel were idiots to introduce that pic and laugh about it. Whatever point they thought it might make was lost in the face of a cute little kid being used as a prop to pick on Republicans.

  276. Okay, so what Marc Lamont Hill was saying is that “we” will decide if using a family member in a picture is “exploitative” or not. In other words, if I don’t like you, it’s “exploitative”. Yeah, that sounds fair. How about just refraining from making racial references about ANYone, let alone an innocent infant? How about that?

  277. Harris-Perry is “Brilliant and amazing”. Nope, Marc Hill isn’t about to drop his buttered bread where he won’t be able to find it again.

  278. Ooh, I missed this gem last weekend. “Everything we knew”, Harris? The basic outline of everything we knew was available shortly after the attack. A bunch of crazy Muslims in a crazy country – some pissed off about a crazy-person’s video – stormed a poorly secured CIA Annex and killed people. What you knew from “Fox News reporting” was propaganda BS. Dear.

    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/fox-anchor-ny-times-benghazi-report-goes-against-much-of-fox-news-own-reporting/

  279. I don’t know who this is (I didn’t watch the MHP segment), but here ya go.

    Pia Glenn ‏@PiaGlenn
    I can say all day what I “meant”, but my intentions do not negate the very real pain I have caused. I sincerely apologize.

    Pia Glenn ‏@PiaGlenn
    In a spontaneous reaction to a photo,my disdain for Mitt Romney’s political platform led me to inadvertently insult adoptive families.

  280. The one who sang “One of these is not like the other”?

  281. Hill lied about getting the girl to quiet herself when he wanted to talk promising her a chance after… then interrupted and talked over her when, after twisting Lemon’s arm, got her final turn.

    I don’t care if it’s CNN, MSNBC, or FNC, I can’t stand the idea of “winning” by shouting to get the last would or talking over the other person because you are afraid they might be listened to.

    HATE THAT.

  282. CNN, FNC and MSNBC are all running old shows at 9pm.
    The exceptions are America Tonight on AJA and The Independents on FBN is live.

  283. maybe some day AJA will have old shows to run

  284. Katie Pavlich subbing for Hannity. She subbed for Pirro last Saturday.

  285. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    maybe some day AJA will have old shows to run

    Mabye they’ll follow the MSNBC lead, but instead of prison documentaries, they’ll have beheadings.

  286. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    Hill lied about getting the girl to quiet herself when he wanted to talk promising her a chance after… then interrupted and talked over her when, after twisting Lemon’s arm, got her final turn.

    I don’t care if it’s CNN, MSNBC, or FNC, I can’t stand the idea of “winning” by shouting to get the last would or talking over the other person because you are afraid they might be listened to.

    HATE THAT.

    Marc Lamont Sanford does that constantly. Also, if you notice, when he’s losing an argument, he simply talks faster. Had Fred not gone to join Elizabeth, he’d give the big dummy one upside his lips.

  287. Don Lemon seems to take more crap than anyone on cable news from the extremists on both sides of the political spectrum.

  288. Joe patronizes a black female journalist: “What you knew from “Fox News reporting” was propaganda BS. Dear.”

    However he bases his ‘opinion’ on a video clip that omits the previous segment that set up the discussion: http://video.foxnews.com/v/2987736468001/growing-outrage-over-ny-times-benghazi-report/?playlist_id=2114913880001

    There’s nothing like relying on Tommy Christopher to give you the whole story…minus, of course, the entire first half!

  289. It’s nice we’re having weather.

  290. savefarris Says:

    In his latest column, Dana Millbank complains “the media” is too focused on Duck Dynasty and other trivial fluff instead of the important issues facing the day.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/as-media-focus-on-duck-call-dramas-a-real-crisis-unfolds-for-those-losing-jobless-benefits/2013/12/30/94dc5710-71a8-11e3-8b3f-b1666705ca3b_story.html

    It’s a good thing there’s not a link to Dana’s archive, where we can see in his last 10 columns, he’s written about…

    * Obama’s selfie
    * Michelle’s decorating tips
    * John Boehner’s tan
    * a super-secret hush-hush meeting of the Koch cabal … where the media was invited

    And let’s not forget the story Dana Millbank thinks is the most important story in the history of the United States: a hunting accident.

  291. MHP apologized fully for Romney incident. We’ll see if she gets a suspension or not. That won’t end it for some, but most will move on.

    Whether Hill apologies or not is up to him. MSNBC has no control over what he does. He’s not an employee. If he doesn’t say he’s sorry all they can do is not allow him on air again and that’s probably what will happen.

  292. So has everyone on MSNBC now apologized for something except Sharpton?

    “@JeromeEHudson: Only serial offenders need hashtags for apologies. #MHPapology”

  293. savefarris Says:

    Anyone else enjoying the irony that, of all the possible MSNBC personnel that could have been guilty of the Romney grandkid flap, it was MHP that took the bait.

    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/msnbc-we-have-break-through-idea-kids-belong-their-parents

  294. Megyn still needs to apologize to Santa.

  295. Good on Melissa for apologizing. That she is part of a white Mormon family is a very interesting bit of information. This suggests an “inside” familiarity with the photo which makes what to me seemed a very bizarre moment somewhat less so.

    Marc Lamont Hill discussed the incident on CNN. He had nothing to do with the segment on MSNBC, and owes no one an apology.

  296. MSNBC never publicly addressed Bashir’s remarks. Pretty telling as to why they have never ending apology issues. As Olbermann chimed in:
    http://www.mediaite.com/online/keith-olbermann-tweets-any-adults-in-charge-at-msnbc/

  297. Gabriel Sherman on rightwing media using the “just say stuff” form of journalism:

    Gabriel Sherman ‏@gabrielsherman 2h
    Conservatives are asserting NYT ran Benghazi piece to cover for Hillary, why don’t conservative reporters actually report out that claim?

    Gabriel Sherman ‏@gabrielsherman 2h
    Amazed at how much energy conservatives put into media criticism but how little energy they expend actually doing journalism abt the media

    Gabriel Sherman ‏@gabrielsherman 1h
    Why doesn’t Fox News have sources inside media organizations and cover them like a real beat? Then they’d have actual facts to report

    Gabriel Sherman ‏@gabrielsherman 1h
    Charles Krauthammer asserts NYT covered for Hillary. Based on what? How many phone calls to sources did he make? Did he have documents?

  298. I really need to catch up. What did Marc Lamont Hill do or say that requires an apology?

  299. Joe, I thought I read MHP’s apology incorrectly, but I guess not. She is part of a large white Mormon family?

  300. Nothing as far as I’m concerned! other than for being stupid.

  301. OK, I just read some of MHP’s biography online. Her white mother was a Mormon and her father was black. In fact, her father became the first dean of African-American Affairs at the University of Virginia.

  302. That’s correct, Carol. I’ve heard her mention it before, but had forgotten about it. I suspect everyone on the show that morning knew this, and understood the inside joke she was going for. It was still a bad idea, but makes a little more sense now, in my opinion.

  303. Mom was in a white cult. Explains much.

  304. Troll, from Wikipedia:

    In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a forum, chat room, or blog), either accidentally or with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

  305. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    Troll, as defined in the Nixopedia:

    A name to others called on internet forums by those who have ran out of ways to defend their own viewpoints. The name is also used to provoke others, usually by the emotionally overwrought.

  306. It’s an accurate description, Nixon. There are people on the internet whose sole purpose is to get other people riled up and pissed off, and their methods are well-documented. They have no interest in normal discussion or debate. They are here for the sport of agitation, and it’s poisonous.

  307. Yeah, sorta like referencing an anchor’s race and gender, when the originating comment (Joe’s) had nothing to do with that. From this, we are to assume that the original commenter has some sort of racial/gender-based animus, because we’re all stupid, and will totally believe that. In reality, only one of us is.

  308. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    Yeah, sorta like referencing an anchor’s race and gender, when the originating comment (Joe’s) had nothing to do with that. From this, we are to assume that the original commenter has some sort of racial/gender-based animus, because we’re all stupid, and will totally believe that. In reality, only one of us is.

    I’ve noticed a number here with problems with race. And a condescending view towards other races is just as offensive as outright insults.

  309. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    ^
    And no, Laura, I wasn’t accusing you as being one of them.

  310. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    ^
    “Of” instead of “as.”

  311. Nixon, this has nothing to do with you. I’m being harassed and baited every time I poke my head up on this forum, and I’m trying to put an end to it so we can all go back to talking about cable news like regular folk. You don’t need to be involved.

  312. “It was still a bad idea, but makes a little more sense now, in my opinion.”

    Yes, Joe, it was still a bad idea. I thought the comedians made the more nasty comments. I don’t care for MHP, but I believe her apology is sincere.

  313. Nixon, your Lily Langtry is anchoring America’s News Headquarters on FOX now.

  314. Meanwhile, MSNBC still leans to the poisonous of tactics making, “but Megyn says she’s a straight news person and dang, she gives opinions” look like praising by faint damns.

    As Grim once said, “look for a troll, you will find one,””

  315. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    Joe, we have all gotten it at one time or another. However, the name calling is foolish. And calling others “troll” is asinine.

    My comments to Laura on race were due to the comments that I have seen here in the past. People are people, no matter what color. Unfortunately, some have this condescending view of non-whites as childish creatures that need their special brand of “protection.”

  316. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    Nixon, your Lily Langtry is anchoring America’s News Headquarters on FOX now.

    I am one happy redskin.

  317. I don’t care for MHP, but I believe her apology is sincere.

    I’m glad she did the straight-up apology. I was worried she would throw in a “what I was trying to say” qualifier, but thankfully she skipped it. People screw up, people apologize. I’m good with this.

  318. And calling others “troll” is asinine.

    No, it is not. It is a common malady on internet forums, and the term is commonly used to fight it. Everyone has a right to free speech, but there are consequences to certain forms of it. If you continually chase someone around a comment section with harassing and provoking comments, you are a troll who should expect to be called out for your actions. I’m being harassed, and I’m tired of it. It’s not right.

  319. Yeah, back to only responding to people with coherent thoughts.

    MHP did alright, but Obediah was the expected @sshole. He won’t “apologize” to “wingnuts”, but if the “wingnuts” hadn’t raised hell, they would have been left to themselves in their ideological cesspool. Because that’s totally healthy.

  320. ‘Obeidallah’. Until further notice.

  321. Hard for MSNBC to beat up enemies.
    when friends abhor their bumbling.

  322. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    I’m being harassed, and I’m tired of it. It’s not right.

    The same was happening to me, and I got mad and left. Sometimes, it is best to ignore things.

  323. Troll and brain damaged. Heckuva blog we got here.

  324. Desmond has a barrow in the marketplace.
    MSNBC has jokers that are banned.
    Chuck Todd just tries to save his face.
    The rest should really all be canned.

    Obleidallah Oblidee Obladah Bra,
    Funny how that place goes on.

  325. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    Troll and brain damaged. Heckuva blog we got here.

    Why thank you, Laura. Any more insults you want to throw my way?

  326. Larry – LOL!

  327. Sorry Nixon. Bless ya man.

  328. This place is a waste of time. Welcome to it.

  329. Gosh, that went well. I’m gonna go back to bed and try this day again later. Is 2013 over yet?

  330. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    Sorry Nixon. Bless ya man.

    Thanks. Some apparently see it as a good source of insults.

  331. well, I think we’re waiting for Marc Lamont Hill to show up.

    Marc, what say you?

  332. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    Undaunted in its roll of White House propagandist, MSMBC gamely marches on:
    http://www.mediaite.com/online/white-house-insults-nations-intelligence-by-pretending-obamacare-enrollment-goal-never-existed/

    The money quote: “The White House will continue to claim that the ACA is a success right up until the moment it becomes insolvent. Even then, Wonkblog will likely reveal that solvency was never the White House’s goal.”

  333. ICE, nearly 24 hours of MSNBC prison stuff coming up plus the “best” of Morning Joe. Take a break, watch the parade and some football, buddy.

  334. FRITZ, don’t mean to bum you out, but This past Sunday, CNN’s Reliable Sources hit a new low in both total viewers (262,ooo) and the 25-54 demo (54,000) in the 11AM/ET timeslot. Since its debut three weeks ago, Reliable Sources is down 44% in total viewers and 57% in the 25-54 demo. Additionally, Sunday’s telecast of Reliable Sources ranked #49 in cable news, behind MSNBC’s Weekend Mysteries and sister network HLN’s Weekend Express.

    http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2013/12/31/reliable-sources-with-brian-stelter-delivers-falls-to-new-low-in-third-week/225907/

  335. Calling someone a troll is one thing, which most can move on from. But, calling someone “brain damaged” in reference to a commenter previously revealing a personal medical issue is really insulting.

    Laura, that was disgusting and you owe Nixon an apology. Try the MHP style of apology. Straight forward and to the point.

  336. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    Calling someone a troll is one thing, which most can move on from. But, calling someone “brain damaged” in reference to a commenter previously revealing a personal medical issue is really insulting.

    Laura, that was disgusting and you owe Nixon an apology. Try the MHP style of apology. Straight forward and to the point.

    Thanks for standing up for me, Pam. But don’t get your hopes up on an apology. That wasn’t something said by accident, her comment afterwards, “This place is a waste of time. Welcome to it.” was showing her lack of regret. Says more about her than me.

  337. Most of us are just having fun around here these days, Pam. A couple seem to think they are bosses and overreact. If you say something you have to take ownership of it and not strike back if challenged. That’s what children do, but human we are, and a wise person said yesterday, “I also think that all of us are capable of a snap-reaction, and piling on without thinking, depending upon the subject.”

  338. Ok, that’s it…I’ve tried to nudge and it hasn’t worked. Now I’m going to start handing out suspensions.

    Larry and Laura, this is your last warning. Larry keeps pushing the envelope despite repeated calls for him to rein it in. Laura bitches about the toxicity here and then barks about how she can say what she wants when she wants. You both are the prime instigators here. Joe has been more restrained, comparatively, so he gets a pass for now.

  339. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    Totally off subject, but were any of you in the LA area in the 70’s when the Tournament of Roses Parade was on a number of different stations? We always watched KTLA 5 with Bob Eubanks and Stephanie Edwards.

  340. savefarris Says:

    Who does a guy gotta insult and berate in order to get labeled an instigator?!? You bunch of *$%^ing #(*$^heads!! ALL OF YOU!!!!!!!

    PS: Mediaite outraged that FNC is committing journalism: http://www.mediaite.com/tv/fox-reporter-ambushes-sebelius-on-the-street-hours-before-obamacare-plans-go-live/

  341. I have neither called someone a name, nor raised my voice in angry, nor told someone what they can do or not do. I have had people voice admiration for comments. I have bought up more cable news related items than anyone. I have a FOX POV and that grates some people. Maybe an uninhibited never-ending FOX-BASHING comments trail is to a Spud liking. I know some who have their fears.

    Yes, ending posts with

    PERIOD.
    Try to keep up.
    Nice.
    Hilarious.
    Perfect..
    Nice
    Perfect.
    Uh Huh.

    Isn’t trying to troll a reaction with a slap. Yeah, Uh Huh.

  342. savefarris Says:

    Nix, it wasn’t just LA. Rose parade is/was carried by almost everyone under the sun: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose_Parade#Television_and_website

    Me: we grew up in Dallas so we always stuck with the Cotton Bowl parade on CBS and then turned to whatever the first bowl game of the day was.

  343. Nationally this year the Parade is on ABC, NBC, Univision, HGTV, Hallmark Channel, FamNet and RFDTV
    I believe one of those cable networks simulcasts the local coverage.

    HGTV is promoting commercial free coverage.

  344. savefarris Says:

    City Planner #1: Hey, we need to get in on this New Year’s Eve action. What’s the dumbest, most ridiculous thing we can “drop”?

    City Planner #2: I know!!! http://www.redstickrevelry.com/

    City Planner #1: Brilliant! It’ll be just as famous as Times Square in no time and definitely won’t be looked back on and laughed at 5 years from now!

  345. ‘Duck Dynasty’ Stars to Appear on Fox News New Year’s Special
    Willie and Korie Robertson of A&E’s “Duck Dynasty” will be interviewed on Fox News’ New Year’s Eve special tonight. The interview, live from Steamboat Springs, will be the pair’s first television appearance since A&E reinstated “Duck Dynasty” co-star Phil Robertson after his controversial comments about g@y people and African-Americans. The interview will take place during Fox News’ “All American New Years’ Eve,” which begins at 9pmET tonight. Hosts Bill Hemmer and Elisabeth…
    http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/duck-dynasty-stars-to-appear-on-fox-news-new-years-special_b208849

  346. Red Eye is having a New Year’s Eve special, too. After Hemmer and Hasselbeck.

  347. I have neither called someone a name, nor raised my voice in angry, nor told someone what they can do or not do.

    So no matter what, you’re going to keep going. Is that it? Yesterday I posted about a Harris Faulkner segment, and you trolled with “Joe patronizing a black female”. Today I posted about MHP, and you trolled with “white cult”. Neither of those comments have anything to do with what I posted, and were specifically designed to get my attention; piss me off; and draw me into a flame war. It’s harassment; it was reported; and you’ve been warned. Again.

    I’m going to go back to ignoring you, and hopefully you can go back to something resembling reasonable commentary on a cable news blog. Happy New Year.

  348. Yes, and I ignored the useless old fart until Joe started back with his “troll” definition. Again, you want to play “neutral”, and act as though I’m equally at fault. I’m not. You can shove your “apology”, and do whatever the hell you want. When I said I was gone, I meant it. You can enjoy your den of idiots, plus Joe and Al.

  349. Caught between easily offended, and agressively ofensisive.

    Ice, I love ya pal.

  350. Yes, it’s always the fault of the person reacting when they’re pushed, right? Wrong. You seem to take ‘ignored’ as carte blanche to keep attacking. It’s harassment, and it needs to stop.

  351. So, since this is indeed a cable news blog, what’s a better story than the beleaguered MSNBC Melissa Harris-Perry finally defended by someone without three names, and HE’S FROM FOX!
    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/alan-colmes-defends-melissa-harris-perry-panel-was-mocking-gop-not-romney%e2%80%99s-black-grandson/

  352. I have no personal issues with anyone here. Just here to talk cable news.
    Happy New Year to all.

    John Robers subbing on Special Report just spilled his cup of water on Charles Krauthammer.😛

  353. I had to laugh on the winners and losers of 2013 segment Kurtz picked the media as the losers calling out CBS for the 60min Benghazi report, CNN for incorrectly reporting arrests in the Boston Bombing and MSNBC for their various host comments.
    FNC did not incorrectly report arrests in the Boston case to? It was just CNN?
    Of course no one at FNC did anything wrong this year. Ho! Ho! Ho!

  354. Happy new year Ice! May your stamina be with you!

  355. Apparently Kurtz missed those 20 from the Buzzfeed article..

  356. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    Nix, it wasn’t just LA. Rose parade is/was carried by almost everyone under the sun: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose_Parade#Television_and_website

    Me: we grew up in Dallas so we always stuck with the Cotton Bowl parade on CBS and then turned to whatever the first bowl game of the day was.

    I was talking about the pre-cable days in LA. Besides NBC, I believe most, if not all, of the independents carried it.

  357. Yep. 13 channels, and 9 of them were the Rose Parade with different hosts. Plus I Love Lucy and whatever Channel 52 was running on UHF.

  358. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    meehtikoošia niihka (Happy New Year to all).

  359. savefarris Says:

    whatever Channel 52 was running on UHF

    WHEEL! OF! FISH!!!

  360. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    WHEEL! OF! FISH!!!

    OH MY COD!

  361. whatever Channel 52 was running on UHF

    I remember a show called Head Shop with Elliot Mintz (later known as a friend/publicist for John Lennon). It had something to do with music, but this was long before MTV so I’m not sure what they actually showed. Maybe concert clips or local bands. Or both.

  362. You can find anything on the internet. Lots of commenters mention Kimba and Speed Racer, which we used to watch every day, and the last one is a guy whose band played on HEADSHOP. Amazing.

    http://www.octhen.com/2008/01/old-orange-county-television-station.htm

  363. Who remembers the Uncle Floyd Show?
    Floyd’s brothers were members of members of the Max Weinberg 7.

  364. It’s amazing how all the people who were defending Phil Robertson like it was a heroic cause and claiming it was all about “free speech” are the same people who want MSNBC to fire Melissa Harris-Perry.

  365. Why does FNC need to talk about A&E and the suspension?
    Can we keep politics out of New Years Eve please?

  366. Wow this interview is awful. Move on FNC!

  367. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    I refuse to take anyone seriously who appeared on-air wearing tampons as ear rings.

  368. It’s not New Years Eve without John Zarrella in Key West reporting on a drag queen in a giant red shoe. This is CNN!😛

  369. Can we keep politics out of New Years Eve please?

    No. It’s how FNC operates. EVERYTHING is a persecution of Conservatives and Conservatives need to know and be angry about it all the time.

  370. Even the segment with Sarah Palin had to get political as she indirectly said people need to stop relying on government assistance.
    The whole segment seemed awkward and out of place.

    In other NYE news Kathy handcuffed her self to Anderson and says she does not have the key.😛

  371. savefarris Says:

    RE: Robertson/Perry.

    A&E hired Robertson as an entertainer. MSNBC hired MHP as news analyst. I’m surprised you can’t see that people hired for different jobs would be held to different standards.

    And I don’t see that many people calling for MHP’s ouster, just pointing out how awful she is at her job.

  372. Farris /
    Nail /
    HEAD

    And what a political big nothing to be pretending to be upset about:
    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/willie-and-korie-robertson-talk-ae-controversy-for-first-time-with-fox-news/

  373. you know Media Matters actually pays people to find ways to complain about FOX?
    But not for that.

  374. savefarris Says:

    she indirectly said people need to stop relying on government assistance.

    THE HORROR!

    I haven’t heard anything so depraved since Woody Harrelson r*ped a nun.

  375. And the promotion from FNC for the segment that turned out to be a big nothing was comical.

    I give credit to Willie Robertson and Korie Robertson for avoiding the questions from Hemmer about the suspension.

  376. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    FOX IS OUT OF CONTROL!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JN99jshaQbY

  377. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    you know Media Matters actually pays people to find ways to complain about FOX?

    In this crap economy, you take whatever job you can get.

  378. Being here on the good old Spud blog is actually better than any New Years Eve party I ever went to. I actually was at one where people fell asleep in their chairs before eleven. I got roped into some awful ones.

  379. This whole controversy was about a suspension that was not even a real suspension.

  380. Well, it was until it wasn’t.

  381. If only Ryan Seacrest would explode at Midnight.

  382. Has Phil Keating been celebrating already?

  383. BANG BANG BANG !!!

    Should auld acquaintance be forgot,
    And never brought to mind?
    Should auld acquaintance be forgot,
    And auld lang syne!

    Chorus.-For auld lang syne, my dear,
    For auld lang syne.
    We’ll take a cup o’ kindness yet,
    For auld lang syne.

    HAPPY 2014 !!!

  384. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    Enjoy!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPnhaGWBnys

  385. “It’s a stupid rule, but at least it’s enforced poorly”.

    http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-november-8-2010/msnbc-suspends-keith-olbermann

  386. While everybody was worrying about Kathy Griffin, Fox dropped an F bomb. That’s funny!

  387. CNN is doing a send off to John Zarrella showing a montage of his 30 years at the network.

  388. Drunk chicks in South Beach! Sure, let’s put ’em on live television!

    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/watch-party-girl-says-were-gonna-fck-sht-up-live-on-fox-news/

  389. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    She was just being honest. Honesty is good. Or she was sh*tfaced. Which is not good.

  390. I don’t go out on Amateur Night so I watched the New Year’s special on ABC. Ended up flipping over to NBC once Miley Cyrus popped up. That chick is so bat****, I wish we could leave her in 2013.

  391. Nope. That bat**** kid is very talented, very media-savvy, and will be around a long time.

  392. Talented? Yeah, um, no. She hasn’t even been nominated for a Grammy. That fact alone should stand out – especially when you consider her popularity.

  393. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    In a number of years down the road Senator Miley Cyrus will be a serious presidential contender. But will lose the nomination to New York Governor Lindsay Lohan.

    And, with that bit of tongue-in-cheek mind-expansion, I bid you good night and a Happy New Year to all.

  394. In a number of years down the road Senator Miley Cyrus will be a serious presidential contender. But will lose the nomination to New York Governor Lindsay Lohan.

    That’ll be when I move to Finland or something. :-p

  395. The first Heavy Metal Grammy went to Jethro Tull, so I don’t look to them to tell me about music. Miley Cyrus is a little bonkers, but she makes good pop records. She’s just begun to show what she can do.

  396. Her music is terrible. Her voice is awful. She’s whacko. She’s not attractive and probably has an eating disorder. Her appeal in 2013 was the shock factor. She may have “won” 2013 which isn’t saying much since 2013 was the worst year ever for music. She won’t be around in five years.

  397. Good job, Fox. They ran the F bomb again.

  398. icemannyr Says:

    Between Griff at a bar in NYC and Phil in FL you knew something was going to happen.

  399. The whole Fox New Year’s thing (of the 45 minutes I saw) was pretty lame. Hemmer and Hasselback would talk a bit, then go to various correspondents screaming at very drunk pretty-people who screamed back. Good times!

  400. savefarris Says:

    Is the music industry itself going to be around in 5 years? I’m not entirely confident.

  401. but New Years Eve shows will. As long as Kathy Griffin remains on the planet, FOX’s will be the best.

  402. Always liked the Miley Cyrus song THE CLIMB, five years have thrust her into an industry you have to act up to stand out with record labels no longer running the show.

  403. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    Within 18 months, Comrade Mayor de Blasio will have New York City in such bad shape that they will envy Detroit.

  404. Or New York will be pretty much the way it is now.

  405. He can not raise taxes without going through Albany and Cuomo. Hopefully the police commish Braxton will not let things go to far.

  406. icemannyr Says:

    Bloomberg already made it impossible to drive a car in NYC with the addition of streets turned into pedestrian malls. CitiBike racks taking away driving lanes and parking spaces and the re configuring of streets for a bike lanes.

    Whatever changes Zucker has planned for CNN I guess it’s does not include a reduction of live news hours for dayside on holidays.

    While FNC and MSNBC are on tape since 1pm CNN is doing their regular newscasts today.
    Martin Savidge is on today 2pm-4pm.

  407. Bloomberg already made it impossible to drive a car in NYC with the addition of streets turned into pedestrian malls. CitiBike racks taking away driving lanes and parking spaces and the re configuring of streets for a bike lanes.

    Exactly. I’ve been hearing conservatives complain about how liberal Bloomberg is for years. Now they’re all over the twitters about how this new guy is The End Of The City, as if he’s somehow going to be an huge change from the last guy. I’m skeptical.

  408. Kathy Griffin must be getting older. The Griffin/AC show was quite tame, and pretty funny. I actually enjoyed it this year.

  409. I just saw Michael Schumacher’s ski route on CNN. It’s a field of rocks with some snow between them. I know he’s a killed skier, but that looked terrifying.

  410. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    Exactly. I’ve been hearing conservatives complain about how liberal Bloomberg is for years. Now they’re all over the twitters about how this new guy is The End Of The City, as if he’s somehow going to be an huge change from the last guy. I’m skeptical.

    Bloomberg was a petty control freak. We can only hope that de Blasio will have people around him that understand the actual day-to-day workings of the City, and not ideological loons that will want to engage in social engineering like Bloomberg. Otherwise, he may find himself with more boroughs than Staten Island threatening to secede.

  411. Is the music industry itself going to be around in 5 years? I’m not entirely confident.

    Most of the performances I saw during last night’s NYE crap was songs that were at least five years old. 2013 was a terrible year for music. Especially country music. Every country song by a man was about trucks and “hey girl” and partying, drinking the good stuff and taking “girl” to the river. Every country song by a girl was about how they’re a country girl that likes to drink and get dirty.

    As far as rock music, our local rock station won’t play modern rock with very few exceptions and they’ll tell you it’s because modern rock music sucks.

  412. Always liked the Miley Cyrus song THE CLIMB, five years have thrust her into an industry you have to act up to stand out with record labels no longer running the show.

    That’s the only good Miley Cyrus song there is.

  413. de Blasio worked in the Dinkins administration, so he’s not a complete babe in the woods, but that might be worse than nothing given the mess it turned into. Labor contract negotiations might shatter his good will.

  414. moderat liberals will be patient with de Blasio. Far Left, not so much.

  415. Seriously now, if anyone thought liberals could not possibly screw up schools more, just look at California:

    Transgender Rights: We will all sleep a little better at night knowing that students in grades K-12 who identify as transgender will be able to use the school bathrooms of their choosing as long as it is “consistent with their gender identity,” even if it is different than their gender at birth. Students will also be able to select whether they want to be on the boys team or the girls team based on their “gender identity.”
    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/12/31/California-New-Laws-for-2014-Effect-Transgender-Rights-to-DUI

    Well this should be a breeze to police and administer.

  416. Sometimes Tommy Christopher is just a national treasure. Here he is saying CNN Concocts Pressure to Fire MSNBC’s Melissa Harris-Perry Over Romney Grandson Segment:
    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnn-concocts-pressure-to-fire-msnbcs-melissa-harris-perry-over-romney-grandson-segment/

    Plot to rid CNN of the competition.

  417. Tommy’s right..CNN has repeatedly played this story with their own editorializing based on vapor. Yesterday Don Lemon teased “An MSNBC host is forced to apologize, but was it enough?” I pointed out to him on Twitter that “forced” is not something he knows: She apologized, and there is no evidence of how she reached that decision. The tease was repeated a half-hour later as “An MSNBC host apologized”.

  418. icemannyr Says:

    This is interesting as it’s usually FNC that is the big complainer about MSNBC hosts and it appears CNN did much more coverage of the MHP segment.

  419. It’s been strange, Ice. I’ve been watching CNN while MSNBC is on Lockup Vacation, and they’ve been hammering this as an “ongoing controversy” which just isn’t there. MHP made a bad decision – partially based on an ‘inside’ familiarity with the subject the average viewer was unaware of – and apologized. End of story.

  420. I thought the most brutal CNN Harris-Perry segment was the one I saw with Martin Savidge and Joe Concha of MEDIAITE. They really slammed her and her panel with no one around to say otherwise. I don’t think it’s a plot to get her off the air. More an opportunity to emphasize that’s the kind of nasty stuff CNN does not do.

  421. I just loved the panelist “apologies”. “Sorry to the Romneys and baby but not to right-wing wing-nuts that are offended”. LOL. No, we couldn’t have anyone thing that.

  422. sad part is some day a no longer a baby will see the video on YouTube.

  423. In a series of comedic segments this never should have appeared.

  424. icemannyr Says:

    FNC was on tape 1pm-6pm. Special Report is live with John Roberts hosting then FNC goes back to for taped year in review shows.

  425. That was one panelist who qualified his apology, not “panelists”.

    Concha started to go all in with Lemon, too, then talked himself out of it after he got his main premise wrong. He launched on MHP for apologizing via Twitter with “140 characters”. Then Marc Lamont Hill informed him that Melissa sent a series of tweets which would add up to the normal length of a statement in a non-Twitter world. After it became apparent he hadn’t actually read her Twitter page – oops – he bailed out and said it’s a New Year, let’s all move on.

  426. I like Roberts on SPECIAL REPORT. I like Dana Bash on SITUATION REPORT.

  427. Lemon always seems to a fair guy.

  428. On The Record is Greta and three panelists agreeing that the president is super sucky. Fascinating.

  429. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    Transgender Rights: We will all sleep a little better at night knowing that students in grades K-12 who identify as transgender will be able to use the school bathrooms of their choosing as long as it is “consistent with their gender identity,” even if it is different than their gender at birth. Students will also be able to select whether they want to be on the boys team or the girls team based on their “gender identity.”
    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/12/31/California-New-Laws-for-2014-Effect-Transgender-Rights-to-DUI

    Well this should be a breeze to police and administer.

    I wonder how many boys will scam the school system so that they can use the girls bathroom? Or, when they get older, shower with the girls after Phys. Ed.?

  430. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    the president is super sucky

    That doesn’t even scratch the surface with that stronzo.

  431. Or play on the girls volleyball team because the school has no boy’s team.

  432. Ice: “FNC was on tape 1pm-6pm. “ False 3PM America’s News HQ Hosted by Arthel Neville, Gregg Jarrett

    It’s a new year ICEMAN — bad start.

  433. Girls can wrestle on the boys team in Ohio though it is pretty rare. There are none on any of the top teams. I have witnessed a few mixed sex matches. The wrestlers I know just dread it as a public spectacle: “Where do I grab her?”, I know some that have forfeited matches out of fear of hurting a girl and living with those consequences. It’s not as some might imagine a lesbian thing. The oldest boy in my household is a fine wrestler who finished eighth last year in Ohio. He wrestled a girl when a freshman. A very pretty girl, she gave him her phone number after the match. He got teased when he pinned her.

  434. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    He wrestled a girl when a freshman. A very pretty girl, she gave him her phone number after the match. He got teased when he pinned her.

    Life can be good, Larry. You never know where you might meet your intended.

  435. I know he’s a killed skier, but that looked terrifying.

    Not yet. Had to read that sentence thrice to figure out it was a fumbled-finger typo, and suddenly it was kind of funny. (Yes, I know about his tragic situation. It’s plenty ok to have a non-nasty laugh.)

  436. icemannyr Says:

    “False 3PM America’s News HQ Hosted by Arthel Neville, Gregg Jarrett” Sorry I missed an hour.

    Speaking of false, Megyn just lied and said “Live from the world headquarters of FOX News .”.
    There is no live bug on screen and a guest just said tomorrow is January 1.😛

  437. I had to read it thrice to find the typo. I kept seeing what I meant to type.

  438. icemannyr Says:

    FNC just ran a promo about the MHP show Romney comments.
    I missed what show the promo was for and if they said NBC News Host.
    I’m guessing most of the FNC prime time shows are going to talk about it Thursday when they are all back live and or new.

  439. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    Speaking of false, Megyn just lied and said “Live from the world headquarters of FOX News .”.

    It was live when recorded, so it wasn’t a lie when she said it.

  440. I assumed that’s why ice added the smiley. Silly me.

  441. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    You never know, Al. Ice (and others on all sides of the spectrum) adds smileys at random. I wish that I knew how.

  442. Megyn had a rather odd moment on the New Year’s special. She phoned in to Hemmer and Hasselbeck, which started with a stock photo of her in the lower third, then they switched to a selfie from the club she was at.

    For some reason there was a scantily clad young lady on a raised platform behind Megyn’s head. I never figured out if it was a belly dancer or go-go dancer or what, but they were someplace with girls dancing. Then – naturally, because Ms. Kelly seems obsessed with this topic – she made some convoluted comment about “not looking like that after three kids”..or something. It wasn’t entirely clear through her fake-self-deprecating laughter.

    Twas another interesting addition to FNC’s theme for the night, which seemed to be Fox News New Year’s Eve: Hot Chicks Dancing.

  443. Smiley : plus – plus ) gets you this🙂

    Wink smiley ; plus – plus ) gets you this😉

  444. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    :+-+

  445. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    :plus – plus

  446. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    : plus – plus

  447. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    : + – +

  448. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    Hell, Laura’s right. I’m brain damaged. I give up.


  449. Nix: type
    : – )
    but take out the spaces

  450. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    : plus – plus )

  451. back in the day when I ran an IT department operations group with mainframe keypunch card input, cards were punched and then re-punched a second time to verify… never by the same person. Reason is what Joe said: hard to recognize your own errors.

  452. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    : – )

  453. Oh, sorry..don’t use the pluses. I put those in there to explain.

  454. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    🙂

  455. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    Thanks, Al.

  456. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    I wonder what this’ll do… 😎

  457. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    :-p

  458. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    That one didn’t work. But thanks everybody. I’m like a kid with a new toy.

  459. icemannyr Says:

    “Then – naturally, because Ms. Kelly seems obsessed with this topic – she made some convoluted comment about “not looking like that after three kids”..or something. It wasn’t entirely clear through her fake-self-deprecating laughter.”

    That’s not the first time either. During a segment on America Live they played a clip from back when she was pregnant and Megyn mentioned being fat in the old clip.
    Even pregnant Megyn had never been heavy.

  460. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    8-0

  461. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    😯

  462. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    YAY!

  463. That’s not the first time either.

    She did it with the fitness girl who posted a pic with her kids. She did it on Media Buzz..something about “spanx” and “makeup” and “I don’t look like this!” Megyn Kelly is obsessed with making reference to her looks when nobody’s talking about it. It’s…odd.

  464. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    http://codex.wordpress.org/Using_Smilies

    Thanks, Ice. That opens up a whole new world. :lol

  465. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    Oops, forgot the last “:”😳

  466. icemannyr Says:

    “For some reason there was a scantily clad young lady on a raised platform behind Megyn’s head. I never figured out if it was a belly dancer or go-go dancer or what, but they were someplace with girls dancing.”
    http://i.imgbox.com/aclaEs8K.jpg😛

  467. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    Megyn Kelly is obsessed with making reference to her looks when nobody’s talking about it. It’s…odd.

    There are women like that. There is nothing wrong with her looks. Under that arrogant exterior, she must be very insecure.

  468. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    Under that arrogant exterior, she must be very insecure.

    Or needs her ego stroked by those telling her that she’s wrong and very be-yute-full.

  469. Wow. That looks even odder out of context. “Here I am with my friends and family, but don’t worry about them..here’s me and a belly dancer.” Ookayy.

  470. While you guys were getting yourselves worked up over Fox and MSNBC, I was watching Rush. Excellent movie.

  471. He’s a bit right-wing for you I’d think?

  472. I’m not sure I’d call it “worked up”; I just find this silly stuff interesting. But RUSH is a great film.

  473. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    Wow. That looks even odder out of context. “Here I am with my friends and family, but don’t worry about them..here’s me and a belly dancer.” Ookayy.

    I sure didn’t look like Chuck E. Cheese, so I guess that the kids didn’t come along.😆

  474. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    ^ “It”, dammit.

  475. Snow’s a’coming, Andy.

  476. wonder what the demographic is for the MSNBC prison shows.
    New Jersey politicians?

  477. icemannyr Says:

    The Weather Channel changed their schedule of taped programming 2pm to 4am for live shows 5pm to 11pm.

  478. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    wonder what the demographic is for the MSNBC prison shows.
    New Jersey politicians?

    I would guess Illinois politicians. Illinois, the state where the Governor makes the license plates.

  479. icemannyr Says:

    Following up on my post from earlier,
    the promo for the FNC show covering the Romney Story Thursday is Hannity.
    They incorrectly say “NBC News attacks Mitt Romney over race? We get to the bottom of the shocking story on Hannity tomorrow.”
    Uh no FNC announcer voice guy, it was not NBC News. It was a show on MSNBC.

  480. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    MSNBC is the Pawtucket Red Sox to NBC’s Boston Red Sox.

  481. NBC
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  482. Snow’s a’coming, Andy.

    Not for me. It’ll be 33° and a cold rain and then the second the front passes, it’ll drop to 11°. Been the same story all winter.

  483. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    We have blowing snow and 18°. Time for me to call it a night.

    I again want to thank everybody for the help with the smileys.

  484. Ok, kids. A lot went down and a lot of it wasn’t pleasant and most of it I won’t try to rehash or represent. But here’s the deal. My friend Laura is banned or suspended – I don’t know what the terms are – so little ole me is here to express this:

    She made a comment yesterday to Nixon that anyone around at that moment is aware of, and she feels it was out of line, and she apologizes.

    And with that, I bid you all adieu. I wore out my welcome and my nerves around here a long time ago, and it’s time for me to mosey on down the line. Peace be with you.

  485. savefarris Says:

    Still up on the WH website: http://www.whitehouse.gov/realitycheck/3

  486. savefarris Says:

    Always remember folks: it’s Fox News abusing the “fair and balanced” slogan, not the MSM.

    WaPo: “Organizing for Action, the non-profit and non-partisan advocacy group…”

  487. Please reconsider, Joe.

  488. and yesterday went so nicely.

  489. Movies:

    Rush was great! Useless information i want to share: As high schoolers we always used to go Road America in Elkhart Lake, WI to watch Indy car racing. We always sat on corner 5 which was a very tight corner and got to see good spin outs! Mario Andretti won a number of times and at age 16 I got his autograph – this was back when you could get truly close to the pit area – not much security in the olden days.

    American Hustle: not great (me, husband and adult male child – all agree on not great)

    Waiting on Lone Survivor – hope it is as good as the book.

  490. the governmental of Italy thanks U.S. taxpayers for their contribution that was the auto bailout:
    http://money.cnn.com/2014/01/01/news/companies/fiat-chrysler/

  491. MOVIES: Hunger Games 2, like EMPIRE STRIKES BACK, the second might just be the best of the series.

  492. Our soldiers rode on to Rome
    Riding in their Jeeps
    Who would know then, Italy would own them
    And they would be theirs for keeps.

  493. savefarris Says:

    2nd movies that were better because it’s the story the director originally wanted to do anyway (but had to get the origin story out of the way first)

    Dark Knight
    X2

    2nd movies that were better because a new director/production team came in and wasn’t afraid to keep what worked and junk what didn’t:

    Wrath of Khan
    Aliens
    Silence of the Lambs
    2010 (Yeah, I said it!!!)

    2nd movies that were better because they had a massive jump in budget thanks to success of original and/or technological innovation:

    Terminator 2
    Road Warrior
    Toy Story 2

  494. savefarris Says:

    More (stupid submit button!!!)

    Director Original Intent:

    Superman 2
    Two Towers/Return of the King
    Godfather 2

    New Team:
    Rambo
    Mission: Impossible 2

    Budget:
    Desperado
    Naked Gun 2 1/2

  495. icemannyr Says:

    “77 WABC Radio is sad to announce the passing of legendary conservative talk host Bob Grant.”

  496. Good stuff, Farris!

    Below appears my favorite twitter hashtag thus far this year! but will Spud use it?

    Larry Kelly
    my highlight of 2013:
    @betsyscribeindc offering up @eScarry to mow my lawn. – 02 Jan
    More Tweets

    .
    Betsy Rothstein @betsyscribeindc

    .@Larry_Kelly Pretty sure I could still convince @eScarry to mow your lawn if the need arises. #happynewyearlarrykelly – 02 Jan

    .
    Eddie Scarry @eScarry

    .@betsyscribeindc @Larry_Kelly For a small percentage of Betsy’s Mary Kay sales.

  497. okay, liberal commenters, enough relaxation:

    Powerful Primetime!

    Thursday, starting at 9p ET: ObamaCare 2014! Will the new year bring new problems? One insurance insider shares insight!

  498. icemannyr Says:

    Arthel Neville in the tease for a future segment said, “The [Obama] Administration wants to hear peoples feel good stories about Obamacare while ignoring the millions of whose stories are not so happy. So what could be the political consequences.”

    First off her statement is an opinion and not fact.
    Who from the Obama Administration said they are not going to talk to people who are having problems with Obamacare?

    Arthel is providing no proof of her statement “ignoring the millions of whose stories are not so happy” this in the segment talking about it with Chris Wallace.

    Why would the Obama Administration not want to solicit and promote the good Obamacare stores when you have channels like FOX News Channel bashing Obamacare every day?

  499. hardly just FOX with the “bashing”

    All the network news shows, even NBC is not-laying off the OBAMACARE problems. It’s a bit like the guilt after the Iraq war buildup where cheerleading had overshadowed reporting. CBS NEWS this morning on the 2.1 million signups touted by the administration dwarfed by cancellations of previously insured, plus the shock people will have at higher co-pays and deductibles once they need their new insurance. Example CBS gave: have a 2014 new baby born without complications? Insurance pays a bit over 2 grand. YOU PAY 5 grand.

  500. If ObamaCare is dismantled, it will not be Republicans that do it. Senate Democrats will. The more “bashing” the better as the quicker that happens the better for the strength of the country, the middle class.

  501. Complaining about an administration only wanting to give the good news is as fair a complaining as ever was and will ever be.

  502. Chris Cillizza was in for Chuck Todd this morning on Daily Rundown. Harris Faulkner subbing for Shep at 3:00

  503. icemannyr Says:

    Lea Gabrielle is doing FOX Report news updates during Shepard Smith Reporting.

    The Weather Channel is live all day covering the snow storm.

  504. Thomas Roberts to host ‘Way Too Early’?

    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2014/01/02/exclusive-msnbc-to-name-thomas-roberts-host-of-way-too-early/#ixzz2pHBfT5Po

    Seems like a crappy career move as the Willie Geist invented format a worn out bore.

  505. savefarris Says:

    Tonight on Piers Morgan: a blackout on this story.

    http://reason.com/blog/2013/12/23/concealed-carry-fewer-murders-says-new-s

  506. http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/2013-ratings-cnn-tops-msnbc-in-total-day-but-hits-20-year-low-in-primetime_b208939

    If the Cleveland Browns first season head coach had been as successful as Zucker at CNN, he would have been fired.

    … He was, and he was.

  507. So what is happening to Brian Schatctman (sp?) who is now doing Way Too Early?

    I pretty much can’t stand Thomas Roberts but I am guessing he will become a regular on MJ with this gig, right?

  508. TVNEWSER gives the good FNC news:

    The Top Cable News Shows in 2013 Were…

    Fox News had the top 14 programs in total viewers and the top nine programs in the key A25-54 demographic in 2013. As usual, “The O’Reilly Factor” was the number one program in cable news in both total and demo viewers, averaging 2,771,000 total viewers and 438,000 demo viewers. Megyn Kelly’s “The Kelly File” was second in both total viewers and demo viewers, averaging 2,293,000 and 381,000, respectively.

  509. DYLAN BYERS POLITICO daily email:

    If you thought the saga over Melissa Harris-Perry’s joke segment around Mitt Romney’s adopted black grandson was over, you forgot about Fox News. In a promo for Sean Hannity’s Thursday night show, the network says they’ll get to the bottom of the “shocking story” of “NBC News attacking Mitt Romney over race.” The promo comes on the heels of a CNN segment tying Harris-Perry’s remarks to those of Martin Bashir and Alec Baldwin, both of whom are no longer with MSNBC.

    But what do they want?
    A) MHP to resign
    B) MHP to apologize on air
    C) Phil Griffin to apologize for his network’s excesses
    D) God to destroy MSNBC while turning Ed Schultz into a pillar of salt.
    E) Not much. Just having fun.

  510. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    The snow wasn’t too bad yet, so I went down to the big city with my niece and my daughter’s future sister-in-law (two different women, for those of you with low opinions of me). At Half Price Books, there was a little girl of about 4, who was getting in everyone’s road. When I said, “Excuse me,” in an attempt to get past, the little brat told me to go f*** myself. The future of America, folks. Or she was channeling her inner Dick Cheney.

  511. Farris, The Empire Strikes Back and The Dark Knight were definitely the best movies of their respective trilogies. I actually liked X-Men more than X2 though. That movie blew away expectations on every level. It’s a shame the third movie in that series was genuinely awful.

  512. As I predicted, Nix, all rain here. There’s another system coming in over the weekend but it looks like it will be 33° when it comes through and then bitter bitter bitter cold behind it.

  513. icemannyr Says:

    The MHP Twitter apology was lame.
    She should say something at the start of her next show.

    The only thing I disagree with is people saying this is part of the culture at MSNBC. It was their opinion show hosts not news anchors saying things that people objected to.

    Do we base our opinion of FNC just from now nasty Hannity is to liberals? No.

  514. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    As I predicted, Nix, all rain here. There’s another system coming in over the weekend but it looks like it will be 33° when it comes through and then bitter bitter bitter cold behind it.

    All it needs is to be a couple of degrees colder for the real fun to start. And watch the bridges and overpasses for black ice.

  515. The only thing I disagree with is people saying this is part of the culture at MSNBC. It was their opinion show hosts not news anchors saying things that people objected to.

    Do we base our opinion of FNC just from now nasty Hannity is to liberals? No.

    Liberals do, but no, the rest of the mainstream does not. Fox was hit pretty hard over Megyn’s stupidity – but all parties also “agree” that Megyn’s a news anchor not an opinion host.

  516. The collection of outrageous mean and nasty incidents at MSNBC is an aggregate with no equivalent at FNC whether looking at opinion hosts or news anchors. The apologies and firing for violating the norms of civil discourse is MSNBC’s track record for years now and theirs only. CNN has said as much.

  517. Movies, TV, people in general… Vulgarity has become the norm. Sad, isn’t it Nixon?

  518. savefarris Says:

    Vulgarity has become the norm.

    Pat Buchannan was right!

  519. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    Movies, TV, people in general… Vulgarity has become the norm. Sad, isn’t it Nixon?

    And we wonder where the next generation of prisoners is coming from.

  520. icemannyr Says:

    “Movies, TV, people in general… Vulgarity has become the norm.”
    Those Direct TV ads are awful.

  521. icemannyr Says:

    According to O’Reilly MHP is an “MSNBC commentator”. Wrong she is an MSNBC host. At least he said MSNBC.😛

  522. icemannyr Says:

    Wait he changed it. Now MHP is “An NBC News Person.”😛

  523. We get it farris, you think every conservative to ever have an opinion is right about everything that’s ever happened.

    And Larry, of course CNN thinks MSNBC sucks and FNC is great. CNN’s at war with MSNBC and it’s easier for them to tell viewers how FNC is great because they avoid getting beat up by the bully when they do that.

  524. having trouble warping my arms around that one, Andy.

  525. Ice, that’s the problem with MHP: she just can’t get labeled right.

  526. savefarris Says:

    Not even close to what I said Andy, but I do think it’s fair, given the “false promise” standard the media now uses, to examine a politicians/pundits track record when it comes to predictive powers.

  527. icemannyr Says:

    Bill de Blasio is only in his second day in office and Megyn calls him “The most liberal Mayor.”.
    Nice of a straight news anchor to give her opinion and instead of reporting facts.

  528. Ice: a guy who supported the Sandanistas is pretty effing liberal, way more liberal them Giuliani and Bloomberg. So, how far back to we have to go to compare him to?

    He honeymooned in Cuba and has never said anything about his “misguided youth” . Now he says New Yorkers do not pay enough in taxes. I know how high taxes are in NYC. Both my adult children live there. Besides the federal and state taxes (which are really high) there is also NYC tax if you happen to work in Manhattan. And he wants to raise them because of income inequality?

    Do some research on the guy before you speak. Even the NY Times basically says he is a “leftist” in an article from 9/22/13.

  529. icemannyr Says:

    I agree with you on Bill de Blasio. It would just be nice if Megyn would have said the facts what you did instead of saying “The most liberal Mayor.”.

  530. New drinking game. Everyone has to down a shot when “Megyn” and “straight news anchor” are included in the same comment.

  531. I agree with Andy about the X-Men series. Never bought into the enthusiasm for no. 2.

  532. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    Ice: a guy who supported the Sandanistas is pretty effing liberal, way more liberal them Giuliani and Bloomberg. So, how far back to we have to go to compare him to?

    He honeymooned in Cuba and has never said anything about his “misguided youth” . Now he says New Yorkers do not pay enough in taxes. I know how high taxes are in NYC. Both my adult children live there. Besides the federal and state taxes (which are really high) there is also NYC tax if you happen to work in Manhattan. And he wants to raise them because of income inequality?

    Do some research on the guy before you speak. Even the NY Times basically says he is a “leftist” in an article from 9/22/13.

    I think that de Blasio went zooming past “liberal” long ago. I don’t think that NYC has ever had a mayor this far out in left field.

  533. The BCS games have been incredible. Michigan State, Central Florida and now Oklahoma have all flipped the script. Love it when underdog teams win… especially when they win by as many points as they’re supposed to lose by.

  534. We agree again, Andy. As a BIG TEN fan, I’ve had too many Rose Bowl disappointments to not savor the Michigan State victory.

  535. icemannyr Says:

    CNNi is on CNN. Natalie Allen anchoring.
    Reliable Sources Host Brian Stelter was reporting on the snow storm from Long Island, NY.
    Did Howard Kurtz ever report for CNN while he was host of Reliable Sources?

  536. If so, I don’t remember it.

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