Free for All: 02/03/14

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131 Responses to “Free for All: 02/03/14”

  1. icemannyr Says:

    “Monday on ‘The Kelly File’
    Controversial documentary ‘Anita’ gives a new twist to the explosive Clarence Thomas sexual harassment hearings. Why is the case being re-visited now? Former clerk for Justice Thomas Laura Ingraham has reaction”

    Why is it controversial? Because Megyn and her fellow conservatives don’t like it?

    I would not have known about the documentary except for Megyn giving it free promotion.

  2. icemannyr Says:

    Is Ari Melber an Opinion talk show co-host or a news anchor?
    Just thought it was odd he was subbing for Jansing on MSNBC at 10am.

  3. “Is Ari Melber an Opinion talk show co-host or a news anchor?”

    ^^Ari Melber is a policy wonk in the Sam Stein, Steve Kornacki, Ezra Klein mold who’s been subbing for a number of MSNBC hosts of late. He may be headed for a solo (weekend?) show in the future much like Karen Finney did.

    I’ve always found him to be a knowledgeable host but a little to stiff for my taste. But he’s already under contract and is the kind of wonky/nerdy host Phil Griffin seems to like.

  4. Interesting that Bill Kristol is joining ABC in what looks like a straight up one for one trade for former ABC’er George Will. I’ll be interested in seeing who wins the trade.

  5. @tommyxtopher: When @JoeNBC has looser grip on reality than Fox News, it’s time to change the channel. Truly embarrassing: http://t.co/OL9mbAR2AX

  6. Conservatives are upset over a Superbowl Coke ad where America the Beautiful is sung in a number of different languages.

    LOL!

    It will be really interesting to hear the reaction of the Republican leadership and candidates to the outrage that Tea Party types like Allen West, think this commercial represents. This has the potential to be very divisive for Republicans. Reince Priebus must be overjoyed.🙂

  7. I watched the whole segment when it was on and there was a real manipulation of what the “story” really was. Thomas Roberts went off at one point and Joe and Mika were shown to be looking at each other like “shut this guy up” and Joe finally had to jump in and say “Thomas – what you are saying is pure speculation”. All involved spent time talking past each other over, over what does “evidence exists” mean.

    The question trying to be discussed was: 1) did Christie know there were bridge lanes shut down? 2) when did he know it? 3) did Christie order the lanes shut down? and 4)if “evidence exists” why didn’t Wildstein and his lawyer release that information?
    (my additon – especially since all documents were subpoenaed by the NJ Legislature & the man in charge of that investigation was on MTP yesterday and said that it would be “premature” to definitively say that Christie “ordered” the lanes to be shut.)

    The woman from the NYT and Thomas Roberts were taking that stance because the words “evidence exists” were used in the Wildstein letter it MUST mean that Christie knew about the lane closures AND MOST IMPORTANT THAT HE KNEW WHY THEY WERE CLOSED. Joe, Mika and Nicole were trying to say that Christie probably KNEW the lanes were closed but that there is still no evidence that he knew WHY they were closed.

    Nicole Wallace made the comment on that talking with the NYT was like they were Venus and Republicans were Mars – just talking past each other.

  8. we do a lot of talking past each other here, until a u-turn leads to road rage🙂

  9. “Conservatives are upset over a Superbowl Coke ad where America the Beautiful is sung in a number of different languages.”

    I want to know how YOU always KNOW it is only conservatives that are upset by this? Because 1 conservative, Allen West, made a comment on twitter and some others followed? Are ALL of Allen West’s followers on twitter, conservative? We all know that democrats will follow conservatives and vice versa just to make sure that negative stuff gets released quickly to their own politically bent people.

    How do you know others that commented, NOT in response to Allen West, but all by their little old selves, were not democrats/liberals?

    Because only conservatives hate immigrants and liberals love them? Such generalizations make your argument weak!

  10. “This has the potential to be very divisive for Republicans.”

    Yeah, it’s going to be a huge issue. It’ll be all the rage. For a day. On the lefty sites. And lefty TV channels.

  11. Why is it controversial? Because Megyn and her fellow conservatives don’t like it?

    You really think a movie about Thomas wouldn’t be controversial, no matter which side it took? The right and left are still talking about Thomas, and he still sits on the SCOTUS.

    I would not have known about the documentary except for Megyn giving it free promotion.

    Ah… so Megyn shouldn’t have mentioned anything, because YOU didn’t know about it. I see.

  12. Probably more radical Muslims will die from Coke aided diabetes than drone attacks. I’d like to buy the world a Coke, but my MD won’t let me.

  13. “Ah… so Megyn shouldn’t have mentioned anything, because YOU didn’t know about it. I see.”

    I think he was short of material today.

  14. Bret Bair shouldn’t have mentioned anything about Benghazi because Obama didn’t know about it.

  15. “Conservatives are upset…”

    Remember folks, a handful of people on twitter, one non- politician, and a radio host or two, equals ALL Conservatives.

    BUT, Liberals all think for themselves, and no matter how many of them give you the same talking points, they’re not a “hive mind” group… they’re individuals.

  16. Apparently, MSNBC’s “offensive” tweet wasn’t too far off. I’ve seen conservatives complaining all morning about the Cheerios and Coca-Cola commercials.

  17. I know Blue, to me the commercial is a little fun but not much else. I’m so used to getting painted by the broad brush Fritz and others use I actually just take such stuff for granted.

  18. A whole bunch of people rampaged in Seattle last night. Getting the smear brush out, I now paint them as a city of thugs.

  19. From Todd Starnes of FOX News,
    “toddstarnes @toddstarnes
    Coca Cola is the official soft drink of illegals crossing the border. #americaisbeautiful
    8:08 PM – 2 Feb 2014”

    Since he works for FOX News FNC is going to give him a pass for his bigoted comments while they complain about MSNBC being intolerant.

  20. AND Larry, we all know that Seattle is full of liberals so it was LIBERALS WHO TRASHED THE CITY! (I mean wikipedia compares Seattle to Madison, WI; Berkeley, CA; and Cambridge and Boston, MA.)

    Disgusting! They must think it will be will the filthy rich who will pay increased taxes to repair whatever damage they have wrought!

  21. “I’ve seen conservatives complaining all morning about the Cheerios and Coca-Cola commercials.”

    I don’t think you have. I think these are the same imaginary Conservatives you always bring up.

  22. Andy Marquis Says:
    February 3, 2014 at 10:33 am

    Apparently, MSNBC’s “offensive” tweet wasn’t too far off. I’ve seen conservatives complaining all morning about the Cheerios and Coca-Cola commercials.

    Really? Who? Who are these “conservatives complaining all morning” you’ve seen?

    icemannyr Says:
    February 3, 2014 at 10:48 am

    Good point, Ice. I think since one of the FOX News Radio hosts said something stupid, it’s safe to say this is the opinion of all Conservatives everywhere, all of FOX News, Republicans, and anyone who didn’t vote for Obama. Excellent point.

    Of course, MSNBC’s tweet… despite coming from the official Twitter account of MSNBC (thusly actually representing the whole channel), doesn’t really represent MSNBC, because… um… that’s different.

    But there is one problem with your theory… see, I didn’t know about the “Conservatives” complaining or about Tod Starns. So, using your earlier logic, I guess you shouldn’t have mentioned it… because until you said something, I wouldn’t have known.

  23. Umm who is this Todd Starnes? I never heard of him until ICE brought him up.

  24. Chris Matthews apparently thinks that if you’re concerned with executive orders, you’re just like the birthers. Love that guy.

  25. “How do you know others that commented, NOT in response to Allen West, but all by their little old selves, were not democrats/liberals?”

    ^^I don’t know of any Democratic politicians or liberal media/political commentators, like Breitbart’s conservative blogger Michael Leahy, that commented on the ad. You can be sure Palin, Trump and the other usual suspects will be only too happy to take a side.

    The problem for Republicans is that, in debates and pressers, they will be asked to take sides on the language issue just like they were on Akins abortion comments in the last election cycle. It’s a wedge issue for Democrats against the GOP and one Republicans can’t win on.

    Because only conservatives hate immigrants and liberals love them?

    ^^It’s not an immigration issue it’s a patriotism issue. People like West and Leahy are saying English speakers are the only true American patriots. There are a lot of non English speaking Americans out there who will be offended by the comments and a lot of Democrats and liberals who will be only to happy to keep the story alive. Catnip.

  26. lonestar… I believe you mean ALL Democrats/Liberals think that.

    I mean, using today’s logic, Chris Matthews said it, so everyone on his side must agree with it.

  27. If the shoe fits, wear it.

    Nobody on the right can call out their own for the vile crap being posted on Twitter today. Same people constantly demand the left condemn their own for anything and everything and lump anyone in who doesn’t. Turnabout is fair play.

  28. Oh, and all my liberal friends think that too. It’s all they talk about on Facebook and Twitter. And they all hate old people and puppies, too. Really. They do. Cuz I say so.

  29. Turnabout is fair play. -Andy

    Ah… so it’s not about fairness, honesty, or anything like that… it’s about “turnabout.” Gotcha. Understood.

  30. “Remember folks, a handful of people on twitter, one non- politician, and a radio host or two, equals ALL Conservatives.”

    ^^You’re absolutely right blue I should have said many or some conservatives.

    Your comment does help make my point; that the anti Coke commercial comments can be a good wedge issue for Democrats. It only takes a few like West to make the story a problem for the GOP.

  31. @Fritz
    I suppose if you are dishonest and unethical, you could take a handful of semi-anonymous Twitter-users, and the one or two relatively unimportant commentators on the right, and attempt to brand everyone with their ideas. Again, that would be dishonest and unethical… but I guess you guys are comfortable with that.

    I guess that’s the face of today’s Liberal/Democratic Party… willing to lie, cheat, and deceive if they think it will help them politically. It’s not about ideas or improving the country… it’s about tricking the electorate into supporting their candidates, so they can then put forth programs the public doesn’t want or like, lie about them too, and maintain power.

    At least, that’s what someone on some blog said to me, so I guess it could be used as a wedge issue against Democrats.

  32. Blue, I’m not saying either tweet represents their entire network.

    In my opinion Todd Starnes comments at the very least are intolerant and FNC should say his comments do not represent FOX News, unless there is a culture at FNC that allows those type of comments from their employees.

  33. savefarris Says:

    So … Lorne Michaels is basically admitting he’s a coward, right?

    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/lorne-michaels-gop-easier-target-for-snl-because-dems-take-things-personally/

  34. “you could take a handful of semi-anonymous Twitter-users, and the one or two relatively unimportant commentators on the right, and attempt to brand everyone with their ideas.”

    ^^They are only unimportant when they say something stupid. The story is just in day one and there’s lots of time for conservatives/Republicans/Tea Party types to comment, or be asked to comment, on the ad.

    It’s a problem for people like McConnell and Cochran in tough battles against Tea Party candidates. It’s also helpful to Democrats in states like Georgia and Arkansas.

    “I guess that’s the face of today’s Liberal/Democratic Party… willing to lie, cheat, and deceive if they think it will help them politically.”

    ^^It’s a legitimate question. Do you agree with former Congressman West that the singing America the Beautiful in languages other than English in a Superbowl ad is offensive?

  35. I suppose somebody could resent illegal immigrants with out being racist, but if it’s all about painting them as evil, probably not.

  36. “I disagree with Starnes and the other irrational racist, xenophobic idiots complaining about Cheerios and Coca-Cola commercials”

    It’s not hard to type.

  37. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/03/us/politics/obama-is-tackled-by-oreilly-before-game.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20140203&_r=0

    It was satisfying:
    “For Mr. Obama it may have been an unpleasant duty that was more or less unavoidable but for some conservative fans of Fox, it was an opportunity to watch the president challenged in a way they believe he has not been by the rest of the news media.”

  38. Whoever is screwing off on their day job, raise their hands.

  39. imnotblue Says:

    icemannyr Says:
    February 3, 2014 at 11:37 am

    Blue, I’m not saying either tweet represents their entire network.

    Well, yes you are.

    …FNC should say his comments do not represent FOX News…

    Are you, or do you think anyone else, is under the impression that one of their radio hosts speaks for the represents the entire network? Obviously you do (although you claim not to), or you’d realize that FNC need not disavow his opinion as if it’s anything other than HIS opinion.

    fritz3 Says:
    February 3, 2014 at 12:03 pm

    ^^They are only unimportant when they say something stupid.

    Yeah yeah… everyone on the right is a “party leader” according to the left, just so long as they can brand them as having said something “offensive.” I know the dishonest tactic.

    Do you agree with former Congressman West that the singing America the Beautiful in languages other than English in a Superbowl ad is offensive?

    No, I do not agree with Col. West in his assessment of that commercial.

    Have you seen many people, especially on this site, who agree with West’s view? Have you talked with many people who know of Starns or actually listen to his show?

    Andy Marquis Says:
    February 3, 2014 at 12:20 pm

    And can I assume, from now on, that whenever someone on the left (O’Donnell, Michael Moore, Bill Maher, etc.) says something offensive and stupid, that you guys all agree with it… until you specifically say otherwise?

    Let’s give it a try, Maher said that he thinks there should be a mass shooting at the Country Music Awards. I assume Fritz, Andy, Ice, and the rest of the left would also too celebrate a major crime like that, if it happened to conservatives at the CMAs… because they’ve yet to specifically disagree.

  40. Bill Maher’s an idiot and I disagree wholeheartedly with what he said.

    See how easy that is to type?

  41. And in case you didn’t notice, Blue, the left was calling Bill Maher’s comments out before the right was.

  42. Keeping the paint brush moving, studends have so been brainwashed by liberal professors, college should be abolished:
    http://www.infowars.com/students-sign-petition-to-have-gun-owners-executed-in-concentration-camps/

  43. icemannyr Says:

    “Political prankster Mark Dice.” Yeah making fun of the the gun control debate is hilarious. Unless it’s done by a liberal.

  44. No, I do not agree with Col. West in his assessment of that commercial.

    ^^Only those on the far right agree with West, but that’s a lot of people. It’s supporters of people like Palin, Trump, King, Gohmert, Bachmann etc. – although none of these have commented personally, one way or the other, as yet. It’s not a big part of the Republican base but it’s the part that votes.

    “Have you seen many people, especially on this site, who agree with West’s view?”

    ^^It’s not my point. No one here is running for office. My point is strictly one about putting Republicans in a tough position politically. It’s only important in Republican primaries where there is a big Tea Party wing.

  45. Watching RELIABLE SOURCES yesterday, I was amazed the host let the smug author of the NY Friday Christie hit piece just gloss by the fact she made changes to the article which mitigated the importance without noting an update had been made. “Changes are made all the time”, said she with nothing but a grinning nod offered by Stelter. Today, the NYT Public Editor rebuked that judgement:
    http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2014/02/ny-times-public-editor-times-should-have-disclosed-182590.html

  46. Look for those who tried last year to manipulate tragedy into gun control legislation to be punished politically this fall big time:
    http://washingtonexaminer.com/nra-calls-2014-elections-do-or-die-vows-war-with-bloomberg-obama/article/2543368

  47. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    I think these are the same imaginary Conservatives you always bring up.

    They are all pookas named Harvey. And how’s you mother, Mr. Wilson.

    (Look it up, you just might get a laugh. Hint – Jimmy Stewart.)

  48. FNC favorite line is Some say. Who are some? I really want to know!

  49. Who are some. Who who. Who who.

  50. I really want to know! I really want to know!

  51. icemannyr Says:

    When did Great and Sean become BFF’s?

    Every day she tweets about his show,

    Greta Van Susteren ‏@gretawire 2m
    Turn on Fox News – @seanhannity starts in 4 minutes!

  52. Just watched Hannity. He liked the Coca-Cola commercial but wishes the National Anthem had been sung in English. Frank Luntz loved the ad just the way it was.

  53. Olbermann used to do that for Dan Abrams (heh heh)

  54. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    FNC favorite line is Some say. Who are some? I really want to know!

    Cindy Lou Who.

  55. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    God Bless America in Yiddish:

  56. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    ^OOPS!

  57. More CNN schedule fun with Zucker.
    Instead of rebroadcasting the evening shows overnight like every other news channel does, old episodes of Forensic Files are on 2am-5am.😛

  58. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    Eventually, Ice, they will show “The Best of CNN.” Newscasts from the 80’s when they were the only game in town. Dave and Lois, Bernard Shaw, Marianne Laughlin, Molly McCoy…a trip down memory lane.

  59. Hey, when you can’t sleep in the middle of the night (like me) Forensic Files is something I watch. Better than a rerun of AC360!

  60. My Congressman, Mark Pocan, voted against the bill that would require the government to notify people if their personal information was compromised.

    Did the idiots who set up healthcare.gov REALLY believe that no one would try to steal this information? Front door, back door, your personal information will be gone, gone, gone! Kind of like those folks that had their appeals disappear into the ether and so the government is saying “Please try again”.

    http://freebeacon.com/the-belarusian-connection/

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/22000-waiting-for-obamacare-website-errors-to-be-fixed-report-says/

  61. Sandra Fluke is running for Congress to replace the retiring Henry Waxman in California. If/when she wins she should send a thank you note to Rush.

    I predicted this would happen when she was a big news story awhile back and now, I suppose, we will have a redo of Sandra Fluke’s greatest hits on FNC.

  62. “Instead of rebroadcasting the evening shows overnight like every other news channel does, old episodes of Forensic Files are on 2am-5am.”

    ^^Like Pam my wife loves these shows so I record them in bunches so she can enjoy them at her leisure. OWN broadcasts these types of shows as well and I wouldn’t be surprised to see a cable net show just forensic reality crime shows as a niche format.

  63. “I suppose, we will have a redo of Sandra Fluke’s greatest hits on FNC”… If only Phil Rizzuto were still alive.

    O holy cow, I think she’s gonna make it!

  64. Brookings study says ObamaCare will cost 80 percent of Americans – Washington Examiner’s Byron York considers:

    “A new study finds that Obamacare’s redistribution will be stunningly lopsided. Scholars at the liberal Brookings Institution have discovered that Obamacare will increase the income of Americans in the lowest 20 percent of the income scale, and especially in the lowest ten percent. But all other income groups — even people who make very modest incomes in the $25,000 to $30,000 range, as well as all income brackets above that — will experience a decline in income because of Obamacare.”

  65. I watch the Forensic Files re-runs, too. Love that show. I wish they were still making new episodes.

  66. Joanne Nosuchinsky will be Bill Schulz’s permanent replacement on Red Eye.

  67. savefarris Says:

    If/when she wins

    Ease up, hoss. Before we have her caucusing with Representative Sheehan, let’s let a few news cycles pass.

    I’m guessing there are plenty of good foot soldiers in Waxman’s district who have been biding their time and aren’t going to let this upstart whippersnapper with no experience (and has paid no dues) upstage them and make them wait another 15-20 years.

    Primary’s gonna be a b*tch… or sl*t, if you prefer.

  68. Andy Marquis Says:
    February 3, 2014 at 1:54 pm
    And in case you didn’t notice, Blue, the left was calling Bill Maher’s comments out before the right was.

    I did miss that. Where was it?

    fritz3 Says:
    February 3, 2014 at 3:44 pm
    It’s supporters of people like Palin, Trump, King, Gohmert, Bachmann etc. – although none of these have commented personally, one way or the other, as yet.

    So you’re attacking those folks, who haven’t said anything, for what you believe they may say in the future. Wow. That seems reasonable to you. Wow, again.

    Alice Cervantes Says:
    February 3, 2014 at 6:32 pm
    FNC favorite line is Some say.

    Yeah, I’ve seen this talking point a lot in the past few days. Apparently, MM (or some other similar site) sent out the memo that this was to be this month’s gripe.

    Of course, “some say” is a phrase used by all journalists on every network, and is simply rage fuel for those who are easily upset by FNC’s very existence.

  69. savefarris Says:

    Judging by this article, it appears Ezra Klein didn’t get the full-time gig at MSNBC because he wasn’t mean enough to Dick Cheney.

    http://nymag.com/news/features/ezra-klein-2014-2/index2.html

    But don’t you dare accuse the network of being ideological perpetuators of hate!!!

  70. “Ease up, hoss. Before we have her caucusing with Representative Sheehan, let’s let a few news cycles pass.”

    Your right farris but I did say “if” as well as “when”. It will be a tough primary though.

  71. ‘Of course, “some say” is a phrase used by all journalists on every network, and is simply rage fuel for those who are easily upset by FNC’s very existence.’

    ‘Some say I’m a dreamer, but I’m not the only one’
    John Lennon — R.I.P.

  72. If you worked as a video store clerk and are bummed your 99 weeks of unemployment didn’t get extended, you might want to expand your job search.

  73. savefarris Says:

    HOT HOT HOT: FNC #1 in all of cable. During Super Bowl week. ALL of cable.

  74. But were they straight cable news viewers?

  75. NOT HOT: FNC still relies on angry old white conservatives while ESPN’s viewers were split because of FOX Sports 1 and NFL Network and the Super Bowl NOT being the dominant sports story.

  76. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    angry old white conservatives

    Not everything comes down to race. It really doesn’t.

  77. Ha, and they called me the troll.

  78. imnotblue Says:

    @Andy

    So your argument is, ESPN didn’t win the week because there was too much competition for them?

    And in your mind, that’s an excuse? Did FNC’s competition take the week off?

  79. “angry old white conservatives”

    Good Lord. I suppose you think angry black liberals watch other news networks?

    Actually, your statement is too stupid to respond to so never mind.

  80. icemannyr Says:

    It may be a non story to some though the Christie Scandal is getting ratings.
    Chris and Rachel won the 25-54 demo on Friday and Monday.
    Lawrence beat Hannity in the 25-54 demo on Monday.

  81. Hey, if the fire draws the crowd, keep pouring on the gasoline. As old as yellow journalism.

  82. savefarris Says:

    It may be a non story to some though the Christie Scandal is getting ratings.

    So is Benghazi/IRS, by your logic.

  83. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    Hey, if the fire draws the crowd, keep pouring on the gasoline. As old as yellow journalism.

    The most famous example – William Randolph Hearst using the boiler explosion on the USS Maine as an excuse to incite the people to demand war with Spain.

  84. So your argument is, ESPN didn’t win the week because there was too much competition for them?

    The Super Bowl was on FOX. FOX unloaded both barrels with a profusion of Super Bowl programming over on FOX Sports 1. It’s the first time ESPN’s had legitimate competition.

  85. Good Lord. I suppose you think angry black liberals watch other news networks?

    MSNBC.

  86. Obamacare: your incentive to NOT go to work! God, what a great country we live in!

    Did you hear the WH economist say that this reposrt allows the person working a 65 an hour week to go down to a 35 hour week.
    How many people are working a 65 hour week?

    “Several economists, like Harvard’s Kate Baicker, MIT’s Amy Finkelstein, Texas A&M’s Laura Dague, and Northwestern’s Craig Garthwaite have found that rising unemployment is associated with an expansion of Medicaid. “Taking that research into account, CBO estimates that expanded Medicaid eligibility under the ACA will, on balance, reduce incentives to work.” ”

    Or how about this?
    “Chairman of the White House Council of Economic Advisors Jason Furman contended Obamacare could still make individuals better off even if it incentivized them to work less Tuesday in the White House press conference. A CBO report released today indicated Obamacare will reduce the number of full time workers by 2 million over the coming years.”

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2014/02/05/white-house-its-a-good-thing-that-obamacare-will-drive-2-5-million-americans-out-of-the-workforce/

    http://freebeacon.com/white-house-grilled-over-cbo-report-on-obamacare/ (gotta watch the video!)

  87. So the wonderful new choice the Obama flacks tout is that Seniors can retire early, live off of minimal 401-K $ plus part time work, and keep their earnings low enough to get taxpayer subsidized healthcare? Boy, Nancy was right: had to pass it to find out that treat.

  88. The vast right wing conspiring sure dropped the babes in the old horndog’s kennel:
    http://t.radaronline.com/entry/view/id/98177

  89. “Obamacare will reduce the number of full time workers by 2 million over the coming years.”

    ^^My understanding is that of the 2 million job losses many/most are people voluntarily living the work force. For example a person who worked for a poor wage or for an *sshole employer but needed the healthcare insurance because someone in there family had a very expensive medical condition and they couldn’t get healthcare coverage because of that condition.

    The other talking point that is being made by Republicans and conservatives is that those people leaving the workforce to get healthcare coverage will automatically cause a job to be lost. Logic says that rather what is likely to happen is that no job will be lost but rather a job opening will be created which will have to be filled by someone looking for work – maybe one of those oft discussed long term unemployed.

    As well many of those leaving work because of the ACA want to start a small business and therefore create more jobs. Others are retiring and thus opening up jobs for young just graduated or unemployed workers.

    I think, rather than raising the unemployment rate and the number of unemployed Obamacare will lower the unemployed and create tens of thousands of new jobs.

  90. “I think, rather than raising the unemployment rate and the number of unemployed Obamacare will lower the unemployed and create tens of thousands of new jobs.”

    That would make you smarter than the CBO, which I doubt.

  91. And these subsidies are coming from middle class tax payers so other people can work part time for whatever the reason and get subsidized healthcare where it had been employer paid. You can only sugar coat that unannounced “benefit”so much to the willingly gullible.

  92. savefarris Says:

    Logic says that rather what is likely to happen is that no job will be lost but rather a job opening will be created which will have to be filled by someone looking for work

    Someone blocked out the word “net” from CBO’s estimate. CBO’s estimate doesn’t mean those employees will no longer exist: it’s that those JOBS won’t exist.

    But hey, I’m sure our tax base can lose 2.3 million jobs (and add all those folks to the subsidy rolls) and the bottom line won’t be affected!!!

  93. The loss of a worker is not the loss of a job despite the false equivalency in Republican talking points.

  94. savefarris Says:

    If the job is still there and filled by another worker (as WH apparatchiks like fritz would have us believe), the worker loss would be zero. But that’s not the estimate. The estimate is a loss of 2.3 million workers.

    … and unless we’ve got a whole bunch of people picking up 2nd and 3rd jobs (and how great can the positions really be if that’s the case), the number of jobs will drop accordingly.

    But yeah, keep telling yourself everything will be rainbows and unicorns.

  95. “If the job is still there and filled by another worker (as WH apparatchiks like fritz would have us believe), the worker loss would be zero. But that’s not the estimate. The estimate is a loss of 2.3 million workers.”

    ^^If the CBO had wanted to say there were 2.3 million job losses they would have said that. They didn’t. They said there were 2.3 million worker losses.

    The loss of a worker is not the loss of a job despite the false equivalency in Republican talking points.

  96. savefarris Says:

    The loss of a worker is not the loss of a job despite the false equivalency in Republican talking points.

    Tell that to the worker.

  97. “Tell that to the worker.”

    ^^Worker loss is mostly a voluntary move, for whatever reason, by the worker. They weren’t fired or laid off. They quit and were likely replaced by someone else. If a workers job was eliminated it would be a job loss.

  98. Going to have a lot of people retiring at 60 now they have a way to get subsidized health care. Toss in food stamps, HEAP, and other aid and it will act as a magnet to many. The strapped middle class will pay the bill. As long as aid is based on income and not assets it can be easily manipulated.

  99. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    Worker loss is mostly a voluntary move, for whatever reason, by the worker. They weren’t fired or laid off. They quit and were likely replaced by someone else. If a workers job was eliminated it would be a job loss.

    Fritz, have you ever actually had a job? This is not how the real world works.

  100. icemannyr Says:

    Big changes coming to the FBN schedule,

    Here’s a summary of the FBN changes,
    Maria Bartiromo 9am-11am
    Varney & Co. 11am to 1pm
    Markets Now 1pmET-2pm.
    Dierdre Bolton will take over the 1pm hour with an as-yet-unnamed show.
    Money with Melissa Francis 2pm.
    The Willis Report 5pm
    Cavuto 6pmET, with a re-air at 8pm.

    I wonder what happens to all the “Markets Now” anchors.
    Dagen and Connell still have their roles on the Imus show.
    Melissa is moving to a 2pm show.
    This is going to leave Cheryl Casone, Lori Rothman, Tracy Byrnes, Ashley Webster without shows.

    I guess some could be regulars on the new shows,

  101. Oh well, never mind:

    “n a major turnaround, the director of the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office said today that the recent CBO report on the Affordable Care Act found that it will reduce the unemployment rate. On Tuesday, Republicans crowed that the report, which found that the equivalent of 2.5 million workers would choose to reduce work hours, meant that Obamacare was killing that number of jobs. Now, however, Director Douglas Elmendorf says that Obamacare’s impact on labor demand “spurs employment and would reduce unemployment over the next few years.”

    Read it at the Washington Post

  102. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    Oh well, never mind:

    “n a major turnaround, the director of the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office said today that the recent CBO report on the Affordable Care Act found that it will reduce the unemployment rate. On Tuesday, Republicans crowed that the report, which found that the equivalent of 2.5 million workers would choose to reduce work hours, meant that Obamacare was killing that number of jobs. Now, however, Director Douglas Elmendorf says that Obamacare’s impact on labor demand “spurs employment and would reduce unemployment over the next few years.”

    Read it at the Washington Post

    “Nonpartisan”, my a**. It is a government agency staffed by bureaucrats. And if you believe the Post’s tall tale, I know of bridge you can buy cheap. Contact: C. Christie, Trenton, NJ.

  103. Everyone warm and toasty? Woke up this morning to find ice storm had knocked out the power to everyone on my local substation. Fortunately the generator had kicked in and keep the cabin running for the six hours until power restored.

  104. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    This last storm gave us about a foot of snow. It’s 25° right now, with wind chills tonight expected to hit -15 or 20°.

  105. savefarris Says:

    It’ll “reduce” unemployment just like it’s done the past 4 years: by reducing the labor force and thus not counting whole swaths of people. Of course, we’re already at a historic low participation rate so what’s a little more attrition?

    Romney’s 47% line just gets more and more prescient by the day.

    So we’re not creating jobs or improving the economy. We’re just juking the stats.

    Huzzah!

  106. “So we’re not creating jobs or improving the economy. We’re just juking the stats.”

    ^^Yeah that must be it farris. The giant left wing conspiracy strikes again.🙂

  107. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    The President and his minions are lying, Fritz. It’s as simple as that. He lies about everything. That’s his hobby.

    Well, that and choom.

  108. The folks on MJ this morning mentioned that the “economists” at the CBO were all left leaning. My guess is they got a dressing down from the WH and its’ economist that did that pathetic press conference yesterday.

  109. Forget it, Fritz. FNC and the lemmings have already decided to either misquote the CBO, or call them lefties and liars. You’re wasting your life arguing with them.

  110. savefarris Says:

    The giant left wing conspiracy strikes again.

    fritz has apparently spent the last 5 years in a cave. It’s mathematically undeniable that had the participation rate remained static, unemployment would still be over 10%.

    Math Denier!!!

  111. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    Math Denier!!!</em.

    Mathers!

  112. Paul Ryan seems OK with the CBO numbers and explanations but he’s not a real conservative I guess. Probably just another cog in the GLWC.😉

  113. Just wanted to post an update on the news that I posted yesterday that Sandra Fluke would be running for office in CA. The CW was that she would try to succeed Henry Waxman but it turns out she’s actually running for State Senate in the district of one of the pols running for Waxman’s job. Sorry for the misinformation.

  114. I think you were fine, Fritz. My understanding is that she was considering Waxman’s job, but decided to set her sights lower.

  115. And don’t stop wasting your time, Fritz. Always interested in hearing from you, even when I can’t get you to accept my brilliant reasoning.🙂

  116. The head of the CBO testified today that the fact ObamCare offers low wage earners subsidies for health care and then withdraws them as their income rises, it provides those people with a disincentive to work. Tell me again why that doesn’t turn the American Dream on its head?

  117. imnotblue Says:

    @ fritz
    You mentioned workers who hated their job/boss, working only for the health insurance, would would not be able to quit because of the ACA.

    Well… what about the rest of their income? How are they going to eat? Have a home? Pay the electric bill?

    Healthcare may have been a reason to stay employed, but it’s not the only reason as you claim.

  118. savefarris Says:

    Twasnt you fritz, so no points off for the fluke Fluke info.

    Though my favorite part might have been this quote: “While I strongly considered offering my candidacy for Congress, I feel there is a better way for me to advance the causes that are important to our community.”

    Does this mean Fluke doesn’t think Democratics have a prayer of winning the House/holding the Senate in November?

  119. Democrats: many think they’ll hold the Senate but nobody but Pelosi thinks they’ll retake the House… And she’s lying.

  120. “Well… what about the rest of their income? How are they going to eat? Have a home? Pay the electric bill?”

    ^^There are lots of things that would cause a person to keep a job solely because they need health insurance that would allow them to be able to quit if they could buy insurance through the ACA.

    One is someone who wants to start their own small business and has the start-up money but can’t leave their present job because they have a child with sever asthma or some other chronic disease.

    A second example could be a 62 year old who has plenty of savings who wants to retire but can’t because his wife is seriously ill and needs expensive long term care. With the ACA he can retire and afford to buy the health insurance he needs to pay for his wife’s care.

    A third might be a single mom with a kid with autism that wants to go back to school and can get funding to do that but can’t leave her job because her job has health care insurance. With the ACA she might be able to go back to school.

    There are lots of ways this could happen that are perfectly legit. And we are talking about a very small percentage of working people; probable less than1% or 2% of the working populous; that would be interested in even considering this option. We are also talking about something that won’t take place until 2017 -2024 at the earliest. Lots of things can happen before this is even a possibility.

  121. savefarris Says:

    And we are talking about a very small percentage of working people; probable less than1% or 2% of the working populous

    Then why did we have to blow up the system for the other 98% and cause them to get dropped from their plans and/or suffer gargantuan premium/deductible hikes just so we could accommodate these 3 cases 4-10 years from now. Seems MASSIVELY inefficient, no?

    Republicans offered solutions that would have helped these people and not caused the chaos we’ve seen everybody else suffer. But Democrats said no. We’re doing it our way. So you own EVERY sob story. EVERY unfortunate situation. EVERY adverse statistic.

    Have fun with that.

  122. “Then why did we have to blow up the system for the other 98% and cause them to get dropped from their plans and/or suffer gargantuan premium/deductible hikes just so we could accommodate these 3 cases 4-10 years from now.”

    ^^Gee farris I must have missed the news stories about 150 million people +/- (the 98%) that had their insurance dropped from their plans and/or suffered gargantuan premium/deductible hikes.🙂

  123. icemannyr Says:

    At 1:50 in the video classless Jesse Watters asks Justin Tuck if he would give an NBC News Reporter Watters does not like a concussion.
    Yeah it’s a joke but very nasty and lame.

    No wonder Erin Andrews did not want to talk to him.

    http://video.foxnews.com/v/3153240742001/watters-world-super-bowl-party-edition-part-2

  124. Nixon - niila niihpikiiookwa meentwasiaani Says:

    Gee farris I must have missed the news stories about 150 million people +/- (the 98%) that had their insurance dropped from their plans and/or suffered gargantuan premium/deductible hikes.

    They lost their coverage, because the insurance companies dropped them due to the new and confusing Obamacare regulations. And, the White House was more than happy to call it that, until it turned out to be a massive clusterfook. Then they insisted on being called the Affordable Care Act.

  125. savefarris Says:

    Gee farris I must have missed the news stories about 150 million people +/- (the 98%) that had their insurance dropped

    Only because Obama delayed the employer mandate. Once that hits next year, Obama’s team itself admits anywhere from 45% to 80% of individuals will lose their current health coverage.

    http://blog.heritage.org/2012/07/05/side-effects-obama-administration-admits-you-cant-keep-your-health-plan/

    And before you complain about Heritage’s “interpretation” of Team Obama’s predictions…

    * they were right that it would increase unemployment
    * they were right that the costs were being hidden
    * they were right about premiums and deductibles
    * they were right about the decrease in provider networks
    * they were right about “if you like your plan, you can’t keep your plan”
    * they were right about enrollment figures
    * they were right about the website

    What’ll they be right about next?

  126. Remember the reason we had to do Obamacare in the first place? Because there were 30 million people without insurance?

    Look at Table 1 from the CBO report and see how many people will be without insurance in the year 2023. And these are NONELDERLY people.

    Does the number 31 million look familiar? And we blew up the whoe effing system to still have the same number of UNINSURED?

    http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/44190_EffectsAffordableCareActHealthInsuranceCoverage_2.pdf

  127. “Because there were 30 million people without insurance?”

    ^^Pam the number of people without insurance before Obamacare was around 50 million. The CBO link above says it’s 55 million in 2013. It hasn’t been 30 million for some time.

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