CNN was the second most watched cable news network in total day viewers for Q2 2014 beating out MSNBC. Ronan, take a bow.
I’d argue that larry’s 2 points are intrinsically related.
Your argument presumes that liberals will only watch a dayside liberal network if they’re happy with the Democratic president, which is silly. Dayside does poorly because it’s not very good.
Joe: The main reason CNN did well in the 2nd quarter was it was mostly wall to wall Flight 370. Liberals watching, who the POTUS was or who/what was on MSNBC had little to do with the numbers.
Who’s going to tell MSNBC that Luke Russert isn’t very good, and shows no signs of improving? The “he just got here, give him some time” gig is up.
Ah, you’re right, Fritz. I actually forgot about that, which is insane considering how much time they devoted to it.
^ That’s why it’s so difficult to judge when something is “too much”. It’s like the technology is working to shorten our collective memories.
I wonder how long it will take before the armed militias that gathered at the Bundy Ranch in Navada will take to get to Murrieta CA. to help out those chanting anti-immigration protesters? My guess; not long.
Those dirtbags were screaming at scared children. This country makes me ill sometimes.
I didn’t know people in Cali did stuff like that.
Fritz is getting all excited by his own imagination.
“Those dirtbags were screaming at scared children. This country makes me ill sometimes.”
^^It was a made for TV show Joe. There were a couple of dozen ‘protesters’ told of the buses arrival by local officials, a handful of police there to stop the buses and coordinate the protest and three or four dozen media there to record the show.
Best of all everyone; except, of course, the confused and terrified children, wins. The protesters get air time for their ’cause’, such as it is. The press gets a made for TV story with great video. Local officials and Tea Party types get to fundraise by sticking it to Obama on illegal immigration. And Democrats get fundraise, as well, by showing the outrage that is expected of them.
After the protest/show ended the buses moved on to another immigration center to process their detainees. The press put out their stories and the protesters went home satisfied at a job well done. The organizers of the protest got on to their next job; spinning the show as a big defeat for the POTUS on FNC and other right wing media. The Democrats and moderate Republicans were outraged.
It’s all pretty predictable.
^ If cynicism wrote a book, that would be the afterward.
CBS NEWS reported there were several hundred protestors there, though I agree with your conclusion everybody got what they wanted… expect the daydreamers pining for more.
” predictable ”
That’s what kills me about this stuff. How much of what happens is because people know that cameras will be there? How many sane people would actually yell at a bus full of kids, if not for the fact that it might be on the news? It’s all performance art, anymore.
“How much of what happens is because people know that cameras will be there?”
^^I’d look at the signs the protesters were carrying at this ‘spontaneous demonstration’. They were mostly commercially made with bumper sticker slogans. And the protesters seemed very rehearsed in their outrage. It reminds me of those ‘spontaneous’ anti-American demonstrations you often see in the Middle East where all the signs are in English and not the local language. This was more performance art than real protesting.
CBS NEWS last night showed lots of genuine emotion at the town hall meeting so the above needs to be taken with a grain of salt.
“People talk about [President Obama] doing the best he can because he’s good at campaigning. Americans are discovering that’s what he does best. But when you’re in your sixth year, campaigning and speeches mean nothing. He talks about Ukraine, he does nothing. He talks about Syria and Iraq and does nothing. And he’s talked throughout his presidency increasing America’s standing in the world. We’re despised in the world, ignored in the world.” –Charles Krauthammer on “Special Report with Bret Baier”
People also say that they favor whatever “gun control” is being pushed at the moment. The people in charge know that the motivated voters don’t want it, so it fails. There’s no reason to think that the general public has a problem with Hobby Lobby, but given the small percentage who vote, it’s an easy issue to manipulate. That’s why the polling on it is mostly meaningless.
The longterm problem is that in general elections you need single working women and Latinos to win. The shortterm ‘feel good’ gains from freaking out about birth control, and shouting at Mexican children, are quickly lost when it comes time for a whole country to pick a president. Enjoy the ride while you can, kids.
The “freaking out over birth control” to which you refer is a deeply held religious belief that abortifacients end a life. Hobby Lobby covers every form of “birth control”, they just won’t cover the ones that stop implantation of a fertilized egg. I believe that that is four drugs/methods out of twenty. If I get lucky, I’ll go to the clinic and spend what it costs, because I know this is my best alternative to waiting and hoping. No one else should have to be implicated in that decision, and I think people are capable of understanding that.
gonna be long ride for the kids as hardly any will be sent back, regardless of what the liar in the White House tells you
The really nauseous facet of the Obama border control fail is the bodies of dead children scattered along railroad tracks as they ride trains north to what they, and we, know will be life with relatives in the USA… Just gotta run the gauntlet.
The “freaking out over birth control” to which you refer is a deeply held religious belief that abortifacients end a life.
It may be, but to the average person it sounds like a technicality for both outlawing abortion AND the thing that prevents pregnancy. The majority of voters find this concept bewildering, and react to these “deeply held religious beliefs” being selected for special treatment by the Supreme Court with alarm. If a company can discriminate about health insurance based on the Christian religion, that means a Muslim company can, too, which is an even bigger threat to the rights of female workers.
The activist rightwing faction of the Supreme Court has lost its mind, and it’s going to cause the GOP to lose elections.
Losts is mind? As polls show majority of the public is with them, that sounds like silly talk.
“Hobby Lobby covers every form of “birth control”, they just won’t cover the ones that stop implantation of a fertilized egg. I believe that that is four drugs/methods out of twenty”
^^ Actually the ruling covers ALL birth control methods according to the ‘orders’ (otherwise known as the small print) on the Hobby Lobby ruling that were released yesterday.
As well a group of ‘religious leaders’ are filing for a religious exception allowing their organizations not to be required to hire g*ys on the recently changed ENDA regulations. They are using the HL ruling as their main reason for the request.
Republicans may rue the day the cheered a SCOTUS ruling allowing employers to ban ALL contraceptives for women.
Enjoy your little poll. The majority that you believe support this one case will vote against a party they perceive as attempting to infringe on their rights. The wind is still at your back for 2014, but there’s an awful lot of forces determined to screw even THAT up. 2016? Forget it. You lost a generation to pointless wars and lunatic politicians and a draconian Supreme Court. And that generation will stick with it long enough to straighten the Court out. You blew it.
Then there’s this crap. The rise of FOX News in the last 15 years as a conservative voice which seems intent on destroying the movement it claims to represent is a problem, too. In that time the gains George W. Bush had made with the Latino vote has been almost completely wiped out. Nice work, Roger.
The echo chamber of the Left recycles their “Republicans are dead” chant every six months” because there is always something that comes up to rain on their parade mid cycle. ObamaCare for one will give them gas for years. But hey, have good daydreams.
We always hope that people will vote, based upon what the Supreme Court does. They never do. Six months from now, women will have the same access to birth control that they ever did, and the issue will barely BE an issue. Iraq? Please. Latinos, however, are a whole other issue, though far from insurmountable.
“Six months from now, women will have the same access to birth control that they ever did,”
^^Some/many women will. Some/many women will not.
Defending taking away a women’s access, and therefore right to birth control (it’s how Democrats will portray Republicans POV) is not a winner politically. Women like and want birth control – even most Republican women.
The point isn’t that any of the GOP’s voter problems are insurmountable. The point is that a lot is going to have to change for them to right this ship. So far the course is set for midterm victories and General losses, and I’m less convinced of the midterm part than I was a year ago. The far right faction – including most of the blowhards on FNC every day – continue to operate as though they’re just SURE there’s a far right majority out there waiting to “take the country back”. The numbers do not back up this story.
I’m saving those words for after the election.
Personally I like divided government so as long as Republicans continue to hold the House, I’m happy. Just need to keep liberals from running amuck and making a mess like ObamaCare.
As far as Hobby-Lobby workers go, all the contraception details were in regulations, not in the very general law. Sir Pen & Phone could pay for those excluded if he wanted. The fun part is he doesn’t. It’s just the issue he and his flock want.
You go ahead and save every word, and make sure you reprint it accurately, too. The score is the GOP probably does well in ’14, although I’m more doubtful than I was a year ago; loses in the General in ’16. Don’t screw it up.
A Democrat in ’16 will be running as the third term of Obama, as McCain with Bush. Good luck with that. I’m pretty sure that blaming Bush will have run out of steam, by then.
Lynn, I realize certain commenters will have trouble with this concept, but my statements are just predictions and opinions. As always, I could be wrong. I don’t lose much sleep over it.
HAPPY. BIRTHDAY USA!
Don’t eat too much cake.
Defending taking away a women’s access, and therefore right to birth control
… has nothing to do with Hobby Lobby. And you know it. The women in question are still legally allowed to purchase said items. They still have a “right” to it.
The only difference is that now they can’t demand their employer pay for it.
Now, go eat some meat and blow something up. USA!!!
“… has nothing to do with Hobby Lobby. And you know it. The women in question are still legally allowed to purchase said items. They still have a “right” to it.”
^^I’m not making a case for or against Hobby Lobby or lack of access to birth control. My point was that Republicans defending denying ANY access to women’s birth control is a loser politically. It plays fine to the Tea Party base of the Republican Party but moderate Republican and independent women want access birth control as part of their insurance policy. The Democrats will play it as just more evidence of the Republican’s ‘war on women’.
The recent pay inequality flair up at the White House shows what a bunch of phonies are running the war talk. When you have one standard for us and another for our enemies, you are on thin ice.
My point was that Republicans defending denying ANY access to women’s birth control is a loser politically.
My point is that you’re lying. Name one piece of birth control Hobby Lobby’s women no longer have “access” to. Just one.
You can’t. Because they can still purchase it. Right now. Today. This second.
moderate Republican and independent women want access birth control as part of their insurance policy.
You know what else moderate Republicans and independent women want? The right to practice their religion as they so choose. And not have theological dictates handed down from a central government.
In fact, that’s one of the reasons that today’s holiday exists.
You know what else moderate and Republican women don’t want?
Left-wingers telling them what they want.
“My point is that you’re lying.”
Play nice farris. I agree women can pay for their own birth control. My only point is how it plays politically; which, for Republicans, is badly.
“You know what else moderate Republicans and independent women want?
^^Hillary Clinton as POTUS. 😉
“The right to practice their religion as they so choose.”
“And not have theological dictates handed down from a central government.”
^^Or, in this case, their employer.
Fritz is sharp today 🙂
Hobby Lobby currently offers 16 kinds of contraceptives with NO COPAY. They just do not offer the 4 they consider abortificants.
Some proposals floating around is to make ALL contraceptives Over The Counter and no prescription needed. Buy whatever you want and get all employers out of the business altogether.
But that is what the real goal of Obamacare was to start with. Get the camels nose in the tent and force all into a decrepit system like Englands NHS so you can all die in the hallway or stairway like many do there. Waiting for service.
Or turn the entire US healthcare into one giant VA.
Good luck on that one. Another Leftist wet dream. More leftist fascism.
I’m pretty sure ACA was designed to do what it does, mandate that everyone have health insurance from the health insurance industry. I think it’s a crappy idea, and would rather have single-payer. People who think that was the plan all along – much as I would like it to be true – are conspiracy loons.
I agree women can pay for their own birth control. My only point is how it plays politically
So you’re completely ok with misrepresenting your opponent’s position in order to score political points. What was that you said about playing “nice”?
So to sum up: Democrats making things up about Republicans is OK, because it helps you politically, but Republicans can’t tell the truth about Democrat positions because that’s racist/sexist/h-m-phobic/”mean”.
Yeah, I’m not gonna play by those rules. Sorry.
I’m pretty sure ACA was designed to do what it does
That’s not what it’s architects (Reid/Pelosi/Frank/Obama) say (at least to their backers anyway.) They admit it’s all a Trojan horse on the way to single payer.
Just like the VA!
People who think that was the plan all along … are conspiracy loons.
We were called conspiracy loons when we said it would increase, not decrease the deficit.
We were called conspiracy loons when we said it would decrease, not increase doctor choice.
We were called conspiracy loons when we said that “if you like your plan” was a lie.
We were called conspiracy loons when we said that it was a tax.
We were called conspiracy loons when we said “you lie” about not covering illegals and not paying for abortion services.
Imagine what we’ll be called a conspiracy loon about next… (h/t MenInBlack)
“So you’re completely ok with misrepresenting your opponent’s position in order to score political points.”
^^You don’t have to misrepresent the Republican position on birth control; i.e. employers shouldn’t have to insure birth control and the government shouldn’t pay for it. You just have to publicize that position. You can even say the Republicans position is birth control shouldn’t be available at all for women and, with the Tea Party wing of the Republican Party, not be wrong.
Correct, Fritz. The issue for the GOP is that the Santorum-ization of the party into one perceived as pushing the Catholic Church’s position on birth control..is a dead loser. The fact that this has even become a mainstream position in 2014 is bewildering to much of the country, especially younger people. It’s like the Republican Party has been invaded by 1958.
Oh, woe is the Republican Party. What the Left talks about if they have no pending outrage of the day.
We’re going to continue to voice actual thought-out opinions. Suck it up.
You can even say the Republicans position is birth control shouldn’t be available at all for women and, with the Tea Party wing of the Republican Party, not be wrong.
Oh, but you would be. No one, not even the Pope himself, is calling for birth control to be banned.
employers shouldn’t have to insure birth control and the government shouldn’t pay for it.
Now THAT is imminently reasonable. If employers want to pay for it, go nuts. But someone’s hoo-ha doesn’t have a right to dictate their employer’s religious beliefs. Or their wallets.
It says so, right there in the First Amendment. Or did you skip that one?
“No one, not even the Pope himself, is calling for birth control to be banned.”
^^Wannabe POTUS candidates, Rick Santorum, Mike Huckabee, Rubio, dozens of Republican congressmen, some Republican Governors and Senators (and would be Governors and Senators) and hundreds of Republicans in state legislatures want to ban some, if not all, birth control for women.
The Popes a Democrat so understands that position is nuts.
“It says so, right there in the First Amendment. Or did you skip that one?”
^^The First amendment says nothing about birth control and who pays for it.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
There is nothing about offering health insurance in a business which prohibits the free exercise of religion. There is also nothing requiring a person to operate a business if its requirements offend their sense of religious morality. Figure it out between you and your God, or find something else to do. That goes for you, too, Allah worshipper.
I believe the Supreme Court says otherwise.
BTW, I love the liberal attitude toward business, and freedom in general: Conform yourselves to what we expect of you, or find something else to do. America!
I believe the Supreme Court has been hijacked by people that are defining the constitution based on their politics, not the actual document. First they decided that corporations are people with free speech rights; now they’ve moved to corporations having a religion. What are we going to do when a company has a religious problem with blood transfusions? What are we going to do when a company has a religious problem with hiring g@ys?
This is a really bad idea fomented by a Supreme Court attempting to create a Christian theocracy, with no concept of unintended consequences from the “wrong” religions.
Wannabe POTUS candidates, Rick Santorum, Mike Huckabee, Rubio, dozens of Republican congressmen, some Republican Governors and Senators (and would be Governors and Senators) and hundreds of Republicans in state legislatures want to ban some…
… right, I’m with you …
, if not all, birth control for women.
And riiight THERE. That’s where you go off the rails. Wanting to ban abortion-inducing pills actually polls pretty well, when you call them what they are. But no one, NO ONE, is looking to ban “all” birth control.
Show me the link that says any elected Republican is trying to “ban all birth control”. Go ahead: I dare you.
To, to take joe’s position to it’s logical extreme, are we to ban all Buddha statue makers? Christian bookstores? Prayer rug manufacturers? Kosher delis?
“I believe the Supreme Court has been hijacked by people that are defining the constitution based on their politics, not the actual document.”
One can still see a few IMPEACH EARL WARREN painted barns faded across the country.
Welcome to the sore losers club and their anti-American thinking.
Good Lord, what twaddle. The Court was perfectly fine when they upheld this piece of crap legislation, but now, all of a sudden they’re a tool of the “theocracy”. You might want to have that blind-spot looked into.
Twaddle? Balderdash, I say!
Me, I like a dash of balder in my bowl of twaddle.
And the Left wailed and cried for naught as disaster solved as the pen and phone is mightier than the robe.
Oh Happy Day! Oh Happy Day!
When Jesus washed, Oh when he washed,
When Jesus washed, He washed my sins away!
Does anyone else watch Anthony Bourdain? This show never gets old. I always wonder how he comes back and eats American after all this stuff.
Or why he doesn’t weigh 400 lbs.
Bourdain can be interesting – Detroit was a fascinating show – but he has a “drinker’s persona” which I have some difficulty with. There’s a dark edge to him I pick up, which may be more about me as an ex/recovering drinker than the man himself. So there ya go.
I would expect a 300 lb alcoholic, but I guess that’s more of a persona. He must be hitting the gym during the off-season.
Romney was Right, Volume MCMXXVI:
Remember when he said the Navy was shrinking dangerously under Obama’s watch? And in response, Obama made a joke about horses and all the media went ga-ga and scored the round a KO for Obama?
If Romney was ‘right’, then I presume Republicans are now against sequestration. Ya know, spending cuts. That’s amusing.
Not this Republican. Speaking of “being right” remember when Obama lied to us about sequestration over and over. Teachers being fired, unaffordable White House tours for school kids, gosh, the end of the world as we know it… yet… somehow… I feel fine.
I don’t think you understand that Democrats opposing sequestration is not a good argument for “Democrats cutting defense spending”. I also don’t think you understand that cutting spending is a thing Republicans generally support.
I don’t think you understand sequestion was Obama’s baby, and that DEMOCRATS threw in the defense cuts as a “poison pill” to keep Republicans from voting for it. I also don’t think you understand that Republicans did what everyone is demanding they do and “compromise” for the sake of passing said legislation.
So according to you, it’s the Republicans fault for passing Obama’s plan.
It’s a good thing we elected a President who wouldn’t alienate our allies.
Details, chaos, fog of war, separate attacks, multiple possibilities of motive, crappy security, rescue missions delayed because they thought Stevens was being held hostage, no stand-down orders, top commanders unaware that there was a CIA operation or annex, criticism of the administration, and last but not least, “Ambassador Stevens should not have gone to Benghazi.” Darrell Issa and his Fox News puppets will ignore all of it.
When you’re President, “s**t happens” is not an acceptable excuse.
Put down the pool cue and Do.Your. Job.
Gosh, it’s great to hear that “straight news anchor” Megyn Kelly “pushed back” on Ben Shapiro for accusing the President of the United States of being a Jew-hater. He wrote the exact same sentiment a week earlier, and FNC knew damn well what they were lining up for when they booked him. So good for you for your “shocked face”, Megyn. Maybe you can book Pamela Gellar next week and be “shocked” at her, too..
Poor old Phil. Absolutely spot on, and he got screwed because the media were a bunch of lapdog wusses ready to ride some cool tanks into Baghdad. Including Chris “don’t Bush look great on that aircraft carrier” Matthews.
He did look great. The new one has a great smile and standup comedy routine.
Trudeau is right. Fox had one source for a report “purportedly from eyewitness accounts” which stated that Bowe Bergdahl might have been “acting Muslim” in captivity. They ran with it all day, and The Five opened with Tantaros and Bolling stating outright that an American POW had “converted to Islam”. It was speculative BS, and FNC treated it as news because it fit their agenda.
FNC had more sources for it’s Bergdahl reports than CBS did for the Rathergate story.
Didn’t matter as it fit Rather’s agenda just fine. And liberal Hollywood too as Robert Redford announced to play Dan in movie version of his ironically titled book, TRUTH.
Remember that time when Bush tried to pass his version of amnesty and conservatives were all like “It’s okay everyone, he’s white! PASSED!”
Or when Bill & Hillary Clinton tried to pass health care reform and conservatives were all like “We love this program. It’s a good think a black person didn’t think this up.”?
Or when Bush 41 nominated an African-American to replace Thurgood Marshall and conservatives were all “NEVER!!!!!!”?
Seems to me there’s only one party that cares about the color of someone’s skin. And it ain’t the Republicans.
So it’s ok for FNC to do it because Dan Rather lost his job for the same crap. Sure why not.
“So it’s ok for FNC to do it because Dan Rather lost his job for the same crap.”
^^No one above is saying Trudeau is wrong about FNC and it’s go full bore with every rumor, no matter how crazy. They either attack Trudeau personally (he’s not ‘cool’ anymore) or compare the current FNC rumor policy to a 10 year old CBS/Dan Rather scandal. Somehow comparing FNC now to CBS ten years ago seems like a reach; but when you have nothing else change the channel.
That’s my favorite, Fritz: Defend some silliness from Channel I Like by saying Channel I Don’t Like did it once, too. In this case, Channel I Don’t Like did an internal investigation; fired people, including the biggest star at the network; and ditched the show the report was on. I’m not holding my breath for anything of the sort happening at FNC over “American POW converted to his captors’ jihadist religion”…
Fritz and Frack flame Fox. Good times.
With this week’s outing, President Obama has now completed twice as many rounds of golf this year (24) than has Tiger Woods (12).
Sounds like someone’s earned themselves a 15 day vacation!
Well, I guess Eric Holder was right: Criticism of President Obama is based on racism.
I believe referring to me as Flack, and only posting to complain that I posted, is what you would call a personal attack. Try again.
Nah, just a take on Car Talk. It was FRACK not FLACK. Missing your reading glasses or are you just itching to find something to be offended by?
Nice troll, though.
Fritz and Frack flame Fox. Good times.
This is not a comment on cable news; any events in the news; or what anyone here actually said. It’s sole purpose is to complain that two people are saying something you disagree with. That’s a personal attack, and trolling.
nonsense, just welcoming you back to regular posting. glad to see you here.