Free for All: 10/27/14

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138 Responses to “Free for All: 10/27/14”

  1. The new MTP is not heading in a good direction IMO. Todd is a good host but they need to stop with all the gimmicks. Yesterdays show had a good panel but that was about it.

    Interviewing Portman and Schumer and expecting anything but party talking points is, at best, naïve. The whole bus thing has been done to death and airing short snippets of ‘real voters’ opinions (which just happen to back up what the host is saying) might work on an opinion cable show but is laughable on a national political news program.

    Todd promised the show would get back to its roots but its actually gotten worse. There’s still time to make use of CT’s many talents but this format is not working and that’s too bad; because TDR, one of my favorite shows, has floundered since Todd departed as host.

  2. savefarris Says:

    Remember 2 weeks ago when Democrats tried to claim that the ebola outbreak was partially the fault of the Republicans because they cut funding to the CDC?

    Yeah … about that ….

    http://dailysignal.com/2014/10/24/democrats-looking-blame-republicans-lack-ebola-vaccine-may-owe-dick-cheney-apology/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social

  3. “Yeah … about that ….”

    ^^ Apples and oranges farris.

    Whether Cheney backed an Ebola vaccine; as part of a post 9/11 bio-terrorism campaign, when in the Bush administration a decade ago; has nothing to do with the Republican House cutting NIH and CDC funding in the last two years of the Obama administration. The Cheney plan was all about fear in the post 9/11era.

    The recent Republican budget cuts were all about crippling the Obama administration. They wouldn’t happen if it was a Republican POTUS in charge. Or maybe they would if more tax cuts for the rich were needed.

  4. Agreed fritz (regarding how awful MTP currently is). I watched this Sunday and it was bad. But, I don’t think it’s possible to for it to get much better with CT as the host. CT is a decent guy but I’ve never found his interviewing skills to be that impressive. I couldn’t imagine him punching back or bringing up former statements like Russert did, especially against a powerful Dem guest.

    I think NBC made a decision to turn MTP into more of a discussion/chit-chat/production show rather than an interview show. It’s indistinguishable from CT’s former MSNBC show and from much of the other MSNBC show’s.

    I have no idea what NBC is/was thinking. It was a terrible idea from get go. I said as much then. They continue to get caught up in their little bubble.

  5. “has nothing to do with the Republican House cutting NIH and CDC funding in the last two years of the Obama administration”

    And, that statement (ignoring whether there’s truth in it or not) has nothing to do with what’s going on today regarding Ebola.

  6. Republicans blamed Obama the day the first Ebola case in the U.S. was confirmed. They’ve blame Obama for being incompetent, they compared Obama’s Ebola response to Benghazi, right wing media has invented countless conspiracy theories and Republicans have blamed Ebola on Obamacare. Now, they think they’re entitled to a free pass for NIH and CDC cuts? No.

  7. “has nothing to do with what’s going on today regarding Ebola”

    ^^Cutting funding to the lead agencies that fight the disease outbreak does have an effect in how they fight those outbreaks in the same way cuts to the military affects their preparedness to fight new wars.

  8. Obama pushed for CDC cuts too. And, that has nothing to do with anything either. It’s akin to blaming me for your personal bankruptcy because you once gave me a penny to use to scratch my scratch-off ticket.

  9. savefarris Says:

    Republicans blamed Obama the day the first Ebola case in the U.S. was confirmed.

    Well, yeah. Because when you go around bragging about being CiC, you get blamed whenever stuff goes down, especially when it all could have been easily prevented by taking basic, no-brainer steps.

    Now, they think they’re entitled to a free pass for NIH and CDC cuts?

    First off, THERE ARE NO CUTS. NIH and CDC have MORE funding now than they did than 2011.

    Second, the CDC and NIH got MORE than Obama originally asked for.

    The recent Republican budget cuts were all about crippling the Obama administration.

    Which is so odd since the cuts were … Obama’s idea. Your argument boils down to you’re mad at Republicans for supporting the President.

  10. “It’s akin to blaming me for your personal bankruptcy because you once gave me a penny to use to scratch my scratch-off ticket.”

    ^^I’m not saying funding cuts was the only reason for the problems within the CDC and NIH; only it was a factor. It is a bigger factor than you think though.

    Farris’s point was that Cheney played a role in fighting Ebola but that’s just revisionist history by right wing blogs trying to find a reason to blame Democrats as well as Republicans for the agency funding cuts. Cheney’s goal wasn’t so much finding a cure/vaccine for Ebola, but rather keeping Al Qaeda terrorist from getting it spreading the virus in the US – a highly unlikely prospect.

    Your ‘Obama did it too’ meme, although misleading, is a much more relevant one than Farris’s Cheney tall tale. Your bankruptcy example misses the mark; although it was probably just a misguided attempt at snark.

  11. As far as Christie is concerned, if he was doing it for political reasons, then backing down was particularly stupid. Liberal dreams aside, the general public was never going to fault him for an abundance of caution with the quarantine. What they might note is the fact that the “quarantine” lasted long enough for the nurse to spend half-a-day on CNN, and for the President to raise hell about it. Conservatives won’t take kindly to that aspect, either.

  12. The CDC and NIH have plenty of funds. They have enough funds to run around funding nonsensical waste projects (look them up).

    Any attempt to blame Republicans for anything Ebola related is silly. And, I doubt it plays to any more than 15% of the public.

    And, unless I’m mistaken, neither the CDC or NIH funds were cut. I believe their levels of increases were cut. Either way, Ebola has nothing to do with money or lack thereof.

  13. Good roundup on the response to Costello. Still waiting for that apology, insincere as it may be.
    http://hotair.com/archives/2014/10/27/cnn-media-reporter-costello-deserves-all-the-criticism-shes-getting/

  14. savefarris Says:

    Cheney’s goal wasn’t so much finding a cure/vaccine for Ebola, but rather keeping Al Qaeda terrorist from getting it spreading the virus in the US

    When your goal is the health and well-being of the United States of America and it’s citizens, those happy accidents tend to happen.

    It’s when your goal is to punish certain groups (even if by doing so means the country at large suffers) where you have problems. Obama has always viewed his actions through the prism of What helps my friends/What hurts my enemies? without any regard to the effect on the country as a whole.

  15. Regarding the responses to Costello, like so many other things, some of the responses have fallen along ideological lines. Evan McMurry at Mediaite who seems to be a pretty good dude tweeted the following snark:

    ‏@evanmcmurry The series of decisions that leads you to consistently troll a 10 a.m. cable news host over a crack she made about someone you’ve never met.

    Yeah, pretty sure that wouldn’t be the lefty reaction if it were a FNC host mocking a young Dem female if that female had just got dragged around by a guy.

    #WarOnWomen = stupid political point scoring douchebaggery.

  16. Martin Bashir “only” painted a mental-picture of a woman being abused. Carol Costello laughed over one that actually occurred. Bashir was fired. McMurry is an ass.

  17. I didn’t watch the video when the initial uproar began. And, I assumed it was being blown a little out of proportion. But, I was wrong. It was hard to listen to/watch. No idea what could have been going through Costello (or her producer’s) head. You have to have deep ideological hate to act that way.

  18. It’s a tour de force, a magical combination of everything you could possibly dislike about her, compressed into a minute.

  19. And CNN fashions itself as the ‘right down the middle’ network which, ridiculous or not, makes it worse.

  20. I’ve never liked Costello. It’s always been clear where she comes from. And, she’s always struck me as about as smart as a tree branch. Her only saving grace for me is that she appears to be a pretty knowledgeable sports fan. But, I don’t want her fired. I’d rather her stay on screen. After this incident, it should be clear to everyone that there is no doubting she plays the part of a partisan hack all too often. It’s out there. CNN would just replace her with someone from the same political spectrum and call that person “down the middle” like they do all the other lefties at that network.

  21. I’ve always thought FNC & CNN were comparable. FNC does news from a right perspective and CNN does it from a left perspective.

    CNN has Tapper. FNC has Shepard. You’d be tough pressed to convince me you know how either of them votes from cycle to cycle.

    As for the rest of the lineup for each network, educated guesses could be made for almost all of them. But, both networks do news for the majority of the day. Unlike MSNBC – who we all know is just one giant clusterfark of crazy.

  22. McMurry is today’s Tommy Christopher.

    Where does Mediaite find those guys?

  23. ^ Seems to be slowly moving that way. But, I’ve had frequent back & forths with him on Twitter and he’s always been pretty cool. Hope he doesn’t start portraying himself as the hero of all black people and spouting nonsense about the MSM being “conservative”.

  24. imnotblue Says:

    I have noticed that virtually all of his stories now contain some left-wing snark in them, while his stories about Democrats are played down the middle. That’s a TC trait, and not a good sign.

  25. One thing is for sure. No way he’s as moonbat crazy as TC. TC is nucking futs.

  26. savefarris Says:

    It appears CNN is trying to brand itself as “Your Home for Hopelessly Biased Debate Moderators”:

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2014/10/scott_brown_debates_sen_shaheen_emandem_wolf_blitzer_.html

    Combine this with Candy Crowley and John King’s performances in 2012 and the RNC should demand that non-CNN personnel moderate any 2016 debate the channel might host.

  27. Well that didn’t take long. Cuomo and Christie have caved on there quarantine demands after only two days. I expect Quinn and Scott; (neither a profile in courage) won’t be far behind.

    In the end Christie was the big loser as this played badly into his image as a bully and perceived competence as a leader. Cuomo too lost a lot; as his moderate image with his Democratic base took a big hit. He’s lucky the primary is over.

  28. ^^there >>>their sorry.

  29. I didn’t watch the video when the initial uproar began. And, I assumed it was being blown a little out of proportion. But, I was wrong. It was hard to listen to/watch.

    Same here. I had read the transcript, and that was enough for me to feel she should apologize on air. Then I saw the video on Media Buzz yesterday. It’s horrifying. CNN should fire Carol Costello.

  30. savefarris Says:

    I refuse to believe we only have one more week of Wendy Davis in our lives.

    http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2014/10/27/wendy-davis-is-wiping-out-the-gender-gap/

    Something must be done! Luckily, she has at least one more round of softball practice tonight with Jon Stewart.

  31. I expect Quinn and Scott; (neither a profile in courage) won’t be far behind.

    I assume you realise Gov. Scott’s executive order requires mandatory monitoring for low-risk travellers. Only those who show possible symptoms will be quarantined.

  32. If the media wants to be honest they would admit that the Wendy Davis fiasco reflects just as poorly on them as it does on her. She is their candidate. She’d still be a nobody without the crazed support of the MSM.

    Lesson that should be learned by the national media: stay the eff out of my state and let us pick or own candidates.

  33. “http://www.examiner.com/article/fox-news-reported-fake-voting-scandal-is-actually-very-real”

    LOL! It would be nice if the right wing blog you quote had some – umm you know – actual evidence to go along with their charges. I take Maddow over Kelly for facts any day.🙂

  34. savefarris Says:

    Perhaps we’ve been approaching Obama’s lack of appearances on the campaign trail all wrong. Why would Obama want to help such obvious racists get elected/re-elected?

  35. Yeah, examiner.com is wrong. I can tell because Megyn Kelly just said so.

  36. I just watched Ed Henry’s FNC report on my local channel regarding the varying quarantine guidelines, and specifically what he called a “mixed message” by the Pentagon ordering US troops returning from West Africa to be quarantined. Somehow he reads that as putting the president in a “bind” because it differs from his own policy regrading returning healthcare workers.

    Note to Mr. Henry: This is not such an unusual move by the Pentagon. Their priorities are necessarily different than are those for civilians. One need only ponder this a few minutes in order to realise it’s probably the prudent move for a military organisation.

  37. I saw Ed Henry saying that stuff, too, and it was preceded by Megyn Kelly asserting that modified guidelines from the CDC meant they were admitting Ebola is easier to catch than first thought. The doctor she was interviewing corrected her, then she said it again. It would be helpful if these journalists could study up enough on this stuff to understand the medical terms and logistical guidelines they’re trying to interpret.

  38. savefarris Says:

    For anyone for the rest of time that claims Jon Stewart is a comedian first and foremost, I [present tonight’s Wendy Davis “interview”.

    A real comedian wouldn’t ignore so many obvious jokes in the name of preventing outright embarrassment of the interview subject.

  39. Then you must not watch Jon Stewart much. It’s not his habit to tear apart guests for comedic value. He’ll do serious questioning, or humor that plays as though the guest is in on it. There are very specific parts to The Daily Show, and they don’t interchange.

  40. Just watched the Davis interview. They moved their show to Texas for that?

  41. I doubt it was just for Davis. Jon goes on the road once a year and has area guests for the whole week.

  42. savefarris Says:

    The other guests lined up for this week are one of the Castro brothers (who is running unopposed) and the band Spoon. In other words, no one they couldn’t have gotten to come to NYC. This was all about a last-ditch effort to hype up Wendy.

    It certainly wasn’t about the comedy.

  43. Morning Joe has really deteriorated over the last few months. Joe’s snide arrogance has become so omnipresent that even cohosts, except Mika, look embarrassed to be on the air with him.

    When you constantly call people on both left and right who disagree with you, or your opinions, dumb and stupid you just demean yourself and decrease your possible audience. What used to sound like straight talk and witty repartee now sounds just mean and bullying. I can certainly see why he’s such a big fan of Chris Christie.

  44. Good golly fritz, I agree with you. I used to watch MJ every day and now I can barely tolerate it. It almost seems since he got the gig on MTP as a panelist he has gotten more and more arrogant.

    And when I see the pictures they put up of Joe and Mika between segments it makes me wonder what MSNBC is saying the focus of the show really is.

  45. Here’s a point I haven’t seen anyone make re the Ebola quarantines.

    Apparently once you’ve had the Ebola test and found to be Ebola free you are (surprise surprise) Ebola free. Period. End of story.

    Why then are people who have tested free of Ebola still in quarantine? And why don’t they just test all medical personnel for Ebola before they arrive in the US. The test appears to take only a day or so to complete and people returning home would only need to quarantine themselves for a few days until the results were known.

    It may be that the test only works when you have symptoms (and if so, I stand corrected) but I think there should make much more use of the test than they do at the moment.

  46. Davis could have traveled to NYC, too. You’re over-thinking a comedy show hosted by a liberal. It’s no secret who Jon Stewart supports in her election, and nobody cares.

  47. Agreed about MJ. Other than Graham Nash singing, this morning was terrible.

  48. I recently saw Joe and Mika discussing the supposed new, relaxed rules in the Catholic Church. The air of smarmy, smug arrogance was just overwhelming. We know you’re divorced, we know you’re a thing..at least try and act as though your entire focus isn’t on yourself. Believe it or not, the Church might have larger concerns than how you guys feel about yourselves.

  49. Mika is still married, as far as I know. Joe, not so much.

  50. Regarding Scarborough; wonder if he’ll be back on MTP anytime soon? Methinks not.

  51. If I were Chuck Todd I would march into NBC News and refuse to host any show with Joe on the panel. Scarborough takes over and tries to run it like MJ, and it’s embarrassing. He’s always had his own show, and trying to turn him into a political analyst on someone else’s is ludicrous.

  52. savefarris Says:

    You’re over-thinking a comedy show hosted by a liberal.

    It’s NOT a comedy show, because comedy shows go for the jokes. Even if the target is your own side.

    Stewart is a liberal commentator, no different than James Carville or Bob Beckel. The only difference is he hides behind the clown nose in order to escape responsibility.

  53. “Stewart is a liberal commentator, no different than James Carville or Bob Beckel. The only difference is he hides behind the clown nose in order to escape responsibility.”

    ^^Actually the deference is that Stewart is funny. Carville is rarely funny and Beckel (like virtually everyone on FNC) totally lacks a sense of humor and is never funny.

  54. What are you talking about? Beckel is laugh out loud funny.

    The “I’m just a comedian” nonsense from Stewart was old long ago. It’s stupid. He’s a political commentator who started his career as a comic. He uses the “I’m just a comedian” response as a cute way to get out of answering difficult questions. That way he can sit in front of a camera and call conservatives poopy heads and get never-ending laughs from the audience. He’s a hero to the left. He’s admired as intelligent and funny by the right. But, in the end, he’s a left-wing commentator who makes jokes.

  55. savefarris Says:

    Actually the deference is that Stewart is funny.

    You obviously didn’t watch last night. He went out of his way *NOT* to make jokes.

  56. joy Ann Reid: Isis is bad because bush and the cia

  57. “What are you talking about? Beckel is laugh out loud funny.”

    ^^ Beckel is the butt of jokes. That’s different than actually being funny. Let me know when Beckel gets a highly rated and award winning comedy show on the Comedy network.

  58. savefarris Says:

  59. I don’t find him funny because he’s the butt of jokes. I legitimately find him funny. Not everyone who is funny has to be a professional comic. And, not everyone who is funny has to TRY and be funny all the time. Some dudes just make me laugh. I like Beckel. That show would suck without him.

  60. “That show would suck without him.”

    ^^That show sucks with or without Beckel. That you think he’s the best reason to watch just tells me how really awful the show is.🙂

  61. I already explained how Stewart employs humor in interviews, and frankly I don’t have a clue what you’re all in a tizzy about. Wendy Davis did a ‘standard boring candidate’ 6 minutes because she’s boring. You’re looking for a bias in a comedian with a fake news show who is openly liberal.

  62. savefarris Says:

    Wendy Davis did a ‘standard boring candidate’ 6 minutes because she’s boring.

    No, she’s not. She’s Christine O’Donnell mixed with Todd Akin mixed with Michael Dukakis. She’s the Hindenberg. She’s anything BUT boring.

    But Stewart made sure the interview was as boring as possible. Because that’s what professional comedians do!

  63. I’m sorry, Raving Man Who Is Having A Bizarre Fit About Jon Stewart, but Wendy Davis is boring. Several insidery types think she’s running for an MSNBC job, and if that’s true I suspect she’s in for a letdown. Davis is a dreadfully boring guest and there’s no way she’s getting her own show.

  64. Today’s Morning Joe wasn’t completely insufferable, mainly because I’m a half-hour in. However, someone might want to tell Joe that he sounds slightly deranged when talking about the “smart people” who watch his show. It’s like a character out of Hitchcock, or something.

  65. Et tu, Eric Wemple:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2014/10/29/sharyl-attkissons-compelling-gripe-against-cbs-news-over-benghazi-coverage/

    Crazy how things like this always happen in favor of Dems and against Repubs. Such crazy coincidences. Because it’s not bias. And, if you think the MSM (who vote at about 70% for Dems) are biased, you’re silly and coo-coo.

  66. ^ pretty awesome

  67. The rest of us buy pre-lit trees.

  68. Fox thinks high gas prices are a Bad Obama Thing. Also a Bad Obama Thing? Low gas prices!

    http://www.examiner.com/article/fox-news-host-now-thinks-low-gas-prices-are-a-bad-thing-under-obama

  69. All I ever hear about gas prices is that they were $1.87 when Bush left office. It’s as if these people forget that there’s such a thing as ‘videotape’.

  70. If the channel you are watching thinks every possible outcome means the president sucks – even if they’re at both ends of the outcome curve – you might not be watching a news channel.

  71. Apparently once you’ve had the Ebola test and found to be Ebola free you are (surprise surprise) Ebola free….Why then are people who have tested free of Ebola still in quarantine? And why don’t they just test…

    Fritz:
    If you haven’t found your answer already, here is a reasonably accurate report on this from NPR: http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2014/10/28/359567808/blood-test-for-ebola-doesnt-catch-infection-early

    The explanation also hints at why there remains a (somewhat) legitimate disagreement regarding the necessity of quarantine for certain people who may have been exposed.

  72. When I first saw some version of this story, it actually seemed as though they had a category of costume where you dress up like a “fat girl”. I thought “Wow, people pay extra for that?”.
    http://wgntv.com/2014/10/28/walmart-apologizes-for-labeling-plus-size-section-on-site-as-fat-girl-costumes/

  73. ^ That’s exactly what I thought until just now when I read your post.

  74. While I am a medical doctor I am not a virologist, but I believe you must read that report and the guidelines with a very detailed eye:

    “So long as an individual’s temperature does not exceed 101.5 degrees and there are no visible symptoms of Ebola , health authorities say it should be assumed the person is not infectious” (emphasis mine) and their stated purpose of this guideline is “as a defence against the spread of the virus” (again emphasis mine). It’s about controlling the spread of the disease in a free country where there is no absolute perfect way, not about identifying with 100% accuracy who might be sick with it tomorrow.

    Why 101.5 and not 100.5? Because lots of people spike low “fevers” over a short period of time for all sorts of reasons as simple as indigestion. At 101.5 you’re probably on your way to getting sick. If there’s no fever and no other signs, it’s almost certain that they are not contagious.

    I still think those who know they were exposed (and who are not highly experienced with Ebola) should self quarantine just because.

  75. So does a doctor in California who is now quarantined because of his just coming back from Liberia. Joe, it looks like your state health department has a very different view than you. Guess all those scientists and doctors are not very knowledgable at all, right?

    http://hotair.com/archives/2014/10/30/video-doctor-quarantined-in-california-after-return-from-liberia/

  76. “I still think those who know they were exposed (and who are not highly experienced with Ebola) should self quarantine just because.”

    ^^I assume your talking about all those “exposed” to the virus; including those who are/were in contact with patients in hospitals in the US and not just those returning from west Africa? If not, your POV is political and not scientific. After all you can make a pretty good case that many medical personnel here are less “highly experienced with Ebola” (most have no experience at all) than those returning from overseas.

  77. Just like Joe Scarborough; Chris Christie, and his schoolyard bully act, may have reached the best before date. Screaming at a protester to “shut up and sit down” may have played well to NJ Republicans a few years ago, but now just sounds offensive.

    If Christie can’t deal, with humor and civility, with a few sign carriers by now in his career, how is he ever going to deal with the unending protests and heckling that go along with a campaign for POTUS where every word you say is recorded with or without your permission.

    Being as thin skinned as Christie is will make the Republican primary debates much watch TV (for all the wrong reasons for Republicans) as we wait to see the NJ Governor blow-up and scream at Rand Paul or Ted Cruz; who will be only too happy to push Christie’s buttons and watch the Governor explode.

  78. Pam, I’m not sure why you are referencing me about Ebola.

  79. Chris Christie has lost his mind. He’s playing a Sopranos character, and thinks he can run for president with it. I don’t think so.

  80. ” Screaming at a protester to “shut up and sit down” may have played well to NJ Republicans a few years ago, but now just sounds offensive.”

    I disagree. And it wasn’t a “protester”, it was a heckler. An obnoxious heckler who wouldn’t shut his trap. Nobody likes listening to that crap. And, apparently the heckler wasn’t just an average joe but a nutty lefty blogger.

  81. Of course you disagree. Fortunately most sane people think Christie is a shrieking moron who can’t handle his job. He’s toast.

  82. “And it wasn’t a “protester”, it was a heckler. An obnoxious heckler who wouldn’t shut his trap. Nobody likes listening to that crap. And, apparently the heckler wasn’t just an average joe but a nutty lefty blogger.”

    You make my point LS. If Christie can’t deal with a heckling “nutty lefty blogger” without exploding into a frothing rage; how is he going to handle real protesters who know how to get a candidate goat?

    Presidents don’t say “shut up and sit down” to people who disagree with them. At least not in public.

    As joe says: “He’s toast’.

  83. It’s time to turn the question around, and start asking “What if Obama did it?”. Last I checked, Obama never went off on a heckler like that. He handled it like a calm rational person, perhaps knowing full well the rage that would occur if he didn’t.

  84. “What if Obama did it?”. Last I checked, Obama never went off on a heckler like that. He handled it like a calm rational person, perhaps knowing full well the rage that would occur if he didn’t.”

    ^^Obama has the opposite problem as Christie. He’s too cool under pressure. One of the things people complain about most about Obama is his lack of emotion.

    That given, he does have a great sense of humor (something Christie lacks) and is, in most cases, able to disarm a heckler with funny quip or joke. Christie’s first response is almost always a humiliating putdown or yelled order to be instantly silent. Christie for the most part can’t control his temper. Obama almost always can.

  85. savefarris Says:

    He’s toast.

    I hope you’re right.

    But not because of this. This doesn’t even enter into the 2016 calculation. This is just Bridgegate 2.0: wherein MSNBC invents an issue to take down Christie.

  86. Christie’s schtick was okay, before he was known as Guy Who May Have Shut Down A Bridge. Now, that formerly-endearing quality only reinforces the image created by Bridgegate.

  87. Farris is correct.

    And, the “what if Obama did it” question could be said for any other politician other than Christie. Because nobody has acted the way he does. Yeah, if Obama told a guy to sit down and shut up it would be huge news because he’s never done it before and isn’t his personality.

  88. @TheMattWilstein: We added the full Varney clip to this post, but @maddow’s point about Fox hypocrisy still stands: http://bit.ly/1p7efDf

    This is possibly the funniest/worst tweet ever. Longer version would be: We got caught perpetrating another Maddow lie but her lie, once again, was about Fox News. And, we hate Fox News so her point and our forwarding of her point still stands. And, nanny nanny boo boo.

  89. Okay, so that’s totally different from how that story was represented. He’s talking about Wall Street Journal, and their reflections on how lower prices could be a problem. Which is what business people do, that is to weigh both sides of an issue affecting business. Varney and guest say, over-all, it’s a good thing. Maddow misrepresented it.

  90. Every link I could find for the search term “Varney low gas prices” misrepresented it. I purposely avoided Maddow and Media Matters when trying to find a story on the segment.

  91. And she did it, stating parenthetically that her audience “doesn’t watch Fox” so they don’t know. Gosh, that sounds familiar.

  92. Eh, she was still sorta accurate. The gist of the segment was “Just asking questions?”, then showing screen grabs of titles like “Lower gas bad for the economy?” and “Stock market climb if Republicans win?” It’s a bit dodgy, but she’s right that Fox plays this game with segment topics a lot.

  93. Maddow does nothing to counter Fox’s dodginess by adding her own, and Willstein just killed whatever credibility he had. He should have copped to it being wrong, in the update.

  94. savefarris Says:

    Juicy:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2014/10/30/attkisson-exposes-c-span-white-house-dispute/

    Not only do you have the White House picking a fight with C-SPAN, you’ve got current Press Secretary leading the charge.

    Tomorrow’s briefing should be fun!

  95. If not, your POV is political and not scientific.

    Yes Fritz, I include myself among those who should self-quarantine under those circumstances. My POV is both political and scientific. “Political” need not mean “partisan” nor be a bad word. And I think if you carefully read my words that you took the time to copy and paste then you’d realise as much.

  96. Just finished watching Mike Rowe’s Somebody’s Gotta Do It on CNN. Ugh, I thought that the concept of this weekly show sounded promising and I wasn’t expecting a new version of Dirty Jobs, but I don’t think what these somebodies are doing will be anything I gotta watch.

    With just a little bit of editing, the high points from either of the two segments could have been compressed into a two minute report and shown on Anderson Cooper’s programme. I’m disappointed and somebody’s gotta get around to cancelling this show.

  97. Breeding oysters, while a useful pursuit, is not one of those things where you find yourself saying “I always wondered how they did that!”. And his banter seems oddly forced, given his long and varied history of bantering. All in all, no thumbs, up or otherwise.

  98. I only know that hilariously overly-manly-manned man from Ford commercials, and he was much better in them. I saw part of ‘baby oysters’, and couldn’t believe somebody looked at the film and said, “Hey. Let’s put this on TV.”

  99. The first segment of this last episode was about spitting watermelon seeds. I’m not saying that absolutely no one would be interested in knowing about this gem of a town pastime, but it’s something that belongs on a slow news day and ends with the the words, “Now back to you in the studio.”

    I think Rowe did this same gig at a local station in San Francisco or Sacramento years ago. I think this sort of thing would play better to a local audience who would have at least a passing connection to the landmark.

  100. We have a turkey-shoot in November that he might find of interest,

  101. That’s why I recognize that dude. I know I’ve never watched Dirty Jobs, but he always seems familiar to me in ads and whatnot. I used to watch Evening Magazine here in San Francisco sometimes before we had cable. There ain’t much on broadcast television at 7:30pm, so you get Entertainment Tonight, a game show, or one of the local-news-produced “stuff around the Bay” shows. From the Wiki:

    From 2001 to 2005, Rowe hosted Evening Magazine on KPIX-TV in San Francisco. During this time, he appeared in a news segment called “Somebody’s Gotta Do It”, profiling a number of unpleasant professions; this concept later grew into Dirty Jobs.

  102. Rowe also hosted the yearend chats on Deadliest Catch. He has a shtick that works for a reality show audience, but not as much for the cable news crowd like us.

    I think it will draw a big ratings for a couple of years until the format goes stale; as all reality TV formats do. ‘Someone Gotta Do It’ already had a run on Discovery as ‘Dirty Jobs” so I’m not sure how much longer it will last on CNN. My guess three seasons.

    Bourdain’s show is more refined so I think it will play better with CNN’s core audience. Ling’s shows remind me of long 20/20 segments.

  103. They think that having a woman do a bunch of exploitative crap makes it less exploitative, which is about the kind of thinking that you had when 20/20 was a thing. Right now, all it is is an excuse to have t|tty commercials, daytime on a news channel.

  104. savefarris Says:

    Another debate “accident”. Funny how they seem to only be inflicted on one party…

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/10/31/debate-moderator-apologizes-for-accusing-scott-brown-botching-nh-geography/

  105. Yes, the whole world is in a liberal plot against the poor, beleaguered conservative. Bunch of whiners.

  106. Well, Farris, at least that guy apologized. Don’t remember any remorse from Costello.

    I didn’t hear any news out the Brown debate moderated by Stephanopolous. I suppose that’s good news. Last time he moderated a debate, he introduced the faux “war on women” narrative for Dems. Once an operative, always an operative.

    But, it is just a big coincidence. What makes it really awesomely coincidental is that it always happens to Republicans.

  107. Don’t remember any remorse from Costello.

    You might want to Google “Costello apologizes”. Most of the results will point you back here.

  108. She did apologize, but not on-air. The problem is that even an on-air apology wouldn’t have been sufficient, so leaving it this way is particularly insulting. She should have been suspended, at the least, but I guess they couldn’t bear to do that on behalf of a Fox consultant. And if CNN is “keeping her” from properly apologizing, then that doesn’t say much for her.

  109. I agree with all that, but changing the facts to “Costello expressed no remorse” is typical rightwing revisionism: Don’t like the story..change it!

  110. My Bad Farris; I meant Crowley.

  111. savefarris Says:

    I can see how you would confuse two different hopelessly biased CNN anchorwomen with the initials CC. For all the grief FNC gets about cookie-cutter blondes…

  112. Possibly the dumbest analysis of the election season. But, what do you expect from someone who created a movement titled “lady parts justice”.

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelstein/2014/10/31/lol-lizz-winstead-blames-wendy-davis-defeat-redistricting

  113. I won’t pretend to have read that link, but at least she’s not blaming Davis’ impending loss on the bad press she received after featuring a wheelchair in an ad, right?

  114. She blamed the press too.

  115. That’s funny. I’m damn near positive that CNN never mentioned the ad, though I’ve heard that MSNBC did. Unless speaking of press coverage in general, in which case she seems to have forgotten about the whole “filibuster” business. Bearing in mind that I know nothing about local Texas press, but have no problem with uninformed snark. It’s worth what you pay for it.

  116. Every month is breast awareness month. Al is the gift that keeps on giving.

  117. The Pentagon has asked FNC to not broadcast the special on the Bin Laden mission because the shooter reveals his identity and there is a non-disclosure agreement.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/pentagon-statement-on-navy-seal-and-fox-news-2014-10

    At the very least if the special does reveal any information that could harm former or current military while we are fighting ISIS FNC might want to reconsider.

  118. savefarris Says:

    Meet the Joe Scarborough is just the worst.

  119. Noah Rothman was going on about how CBS Face the Nation was covered up with people talking about how bad a win would be for Republicans, or some such. You can just never tell where these people are coming from, right?

  120. Or maybe Noah is paranoid and sees liberal bias in every corner. I haven’t seen Face The Nation, but I’ve heard the discussion a dozen times: Congress seems incapable of getting anything done, which ends up with people pointing fingers at the majority party. Kinda like they’re doing to Democrats right now. If the GOP gets both houses then comes up bupkus, it will be a drag on their presidential nominee in two years. Noah Rothman should know this basic political science.

  121. Sharyl Attkisson really wants you to believe the government is after her. Maybe she should have hired a real hacker to help her set up her “evidence”.

    http://crooksandliars.com/2014/10/busted-sharyl-attkissons-hacked-video

  122. “Sharyl Attkisson really wants you to believe the government is after her. Maybe she should have hired a real hacker to help her set up her “evidence”.”

    ^^ I’m sure Attkisson apologists here and on other media will find some excuses to explain away any factual discrepancies in her story. After all they believe it’s only liberals who lie to the media and make up false evidence to back up those lies.

    My guess if they can’t explain away this tall tale they will go with the old standby of liberals do/did it too. That’s always the failsafe backup excuse for conservatives.

  123. savefarris Says:

    Congress seems incapable of getting anything done, which ends up with people pointing fingers at the majority party. … If the GOP gets both houses then comes up bupkus, it will be a drag on their presidential nominee in two years.

    Nothing was getting done because Harry Reid was playing Legislative Goalie and preventing Obama from having to issue embarrassing vetoes. Once Reid is gone, Obama will have to break out the pen he keeps talking about and veto Keystone, Tax Cuts, Obamacare reforms and the like that he never had to deal with earlier.

  124. savefarris Says:

    On Midterm Eve, a reminder of just how in-the-tank our good friends in the media have been:

    http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/articles/bxn2011052601/

  125. Fritz, looks like you may have experienced premature jubilation in your Attkisson excitement. You should know better than to rely on such shady sources. The entire left wing (incredibly including the media) wants to bring her down. If there were anything to that stupid story, it’d be everywhere right about now.

  126. savefarris Says:

    Chris Matthews just compared the GOP to OJ Simpson.

    #readyforthemidterms

  127. savefarris Says:

    Chris Hayes just claimed that this election is about overturning RoevWade and ending the Food Stamp program.

    #i’llseeyourcrazyandraiseyoutnfoil

  128. savefarris Says:

    More from Hayes: The EPA regulations that will throw the entire Appalachian region out of a job is the most important policy in American Energy history. And we need to save them tomorrow!!!

    #sellcrazysomeplaceelse.we’reallstockeduphere

  129. savefarris Says:

    One more from Hayes: if Republicans win tomorrow, they’ve got a sneaky plan to evade filibusters by using this sneaky plan called reconciliation.

    #hey,anyonerememberhowobamacarepassed?

  130. Who said science and religion are in conflict? It’s interesting to see that elsewhere in the world, they aren’t in conflict, just the Western world.
    http://gulfnews.com/opinions/columnists/are-scientists-more-or-less-religious-than-laymen-1.1407668

  131. http://www.mediaite.com/online/lena-dunham-apologizes-for-comic-use-of-the-term-sexual-predator-in-book/

    “Being condemned by mostly right wing outlets “. If that’s the case, there are some truly sick people out there

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