Free for All: 1/16/15

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79 Responses to “Free for All: 1/16/15”

  1. “Judge” Jeanine has to retract something from her show, which seems like a story all by itself.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2015/01/16/fox-news-to-correct-guests-misstatements-on-birmingham-no-go-zones/

  2. ^ But I was told no one on FOX ever makes a correction!

    Well, I’m sure someone will correct that.

  3. You just can’t make this stuff up: Dear France – You’ve Got a Friend.

    Is our country embarrassed yet?

    http://althouse.blogspot.com/2015/01/its-really-painful-to-wince-for-3-and.html

  4. ” But I was told no one on FOX ever makes a correction!

    Well, I’m sure someone will correct that.”

    ^^I would say; unless it is something so outrageously stupid that your network is becoming a laughingstock; like a guest saying Birmingham England is totally controlled by Muslims; they are pretty unlikely to correct something.

    If they correct the lie that there are hundreds ‘no go’ areas in Europe (something even the conservative who coined the phase now says is untrue and which has been proven by evidence to be totally untrue) then I’ll say you are correct. I doubt that correction will be made.

  5. ^^ Good God, that sounds like something that Greg Gutfeld or Rush Limbaugh would make up as a ‘thing this White House/John Kerry might do’, and you’d laugh at them for being so silly. Or not.

  6. savefarris Says:

    “Uh, Mr. Taylor? When you’re done with the concert in Paris, we’re gonna need you to stop by Nigeria on the way home.”

    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/354400.php

  7. Just compiling ideas from various sources to put together a complete concert produced by John Kerry:
    1. James Taylor singing You’ve Got A Friend (see above)
    2. Napolean Dynamite doing his interpretive hand dance to
    Some Say Love is a River
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=C5G3XKsq7Ic
    3. Cat Stevens singing Peace Train

    Please feel free to add your own songs!

  8. I think Cat Stevens has more juice, after all these years.

  9. “John Kerry took James Taylor to France to sing You’ve Got A Friend to them” will be the epitaph on The Onion’s grave. “We couldn’t top that.”

  10. This is my favorite FNC correction, which conveniently leaves out any explanation of why they promoted this ridiculous crap in the first place. Ladies and gentlemen…Megyn Kelly:

    “Last week, we said the new law also allows all voters to print out their ballots at home,” she said. “That actually is not the case. Members of the military and some others, like Coloradans overseas, can indeed print out their ballots at home, but this is the case even before the new law passed.”

  11. Ha. That damn FNC. The Dem rep vet was probably brainwashed by Roger Ailes!

  12. Gabbard is a military person with 2 years experience in the House. You’ll forgive me if I don’t consider this one Democrat a symbol of the whole party. Also, she’s wrong on the issue.

  13. It is a bit confusing (to me) that the White House wants moderate Muslims to lead the fight against the radical element but they, i.e., the White House, insist that the struggle isn’t, in any way, about Islam. Huh?

    If we want the moderates to defeat the extremists then aren’t they battling over the nature and direction of Islam? It IS a fight over the religion and it DOES involve the doctrines of that religion.

    Although I guess one can argue that we want the moderates to defeat the radicals who are corrupting or hijacking the religion. The moderates are embracing true Islam and the radicals a faux or bastardiz*ed version. Still, it does involve Islam, directly or indirectly.

    They need to better explain the strategy behind this.

  14. Or maybe people can stop acting like the administration has to explain the situation to us and the world like we’re idiots. They clearly chosen not to utter the Fox phrase “radical Islam” because it’s simplistic and hyperbolic. Anybody who thinks using the term would made a kick of difference in policy here, or perception around the world, is smoking something. The allies know who’s what, and the crazies don’t give a damn.

  15. “lick of difference”, not “kick”.

    Anyway, shorter Obama: “Extremism in the name of Islam” denotes the extremist first, not the religion he’s a murderous lunatic about. “Radical Islam” sounds like we’re fighting an entire religion, which is not a good sound to the next generation of Muslims dodging drones from the sky. This isn’t just about stopping the current crop of bad guys. We’re trying to slow down the next wave.

  16. If you think that using the words “extremism in the name of Islam” is going to make these nut jobs ” slow down” I have a bridge in Brooklyn I can sell you.

    There is NOTHING, I REPEAT, NOTHING, we can do or not do, that will change any of these peoples’ mind. They hate us no matter what we do – remember 9/11 happened BEFORE the Iraq war. So, please be specific, what exactly did we do to make the Cole being bombed, or the Khobar Towers, or the embassy bombing in Nairobi.

    Or is it just so easy to forget about these things?

  17. “Gabbard is a military person with 2 years experience in the House. You’ll forgive me if I don’t consider this one Democrat a symbol of the whole party. ”

    Please don’t forget in the future that when “1” Republican does or says something that differs from the rest of the party that they also
    “DO NOT CONSIDER THIS ONE REPUBLICAN A SYMBOL OF THE WHOLE PARTY”.

    Do I think you will remember this? I’m not holding my breath!

  18. imnotblue Says:

    They refuse to use that FOX News phrase… that the Democratic Congresswoman said they should.

    Wait, what?

  19. You can say the president’s approach doesn’t work, but you can’t keep saying “why won’t he call it that thing Fox wants him to call it?” We know the answer.

    Usama bin Laden’s beef was with US military bases being left in the Persian Gulf after Desert Storm. He felt that the Muslim world was being desecrated by this. It’s insane, but it’s not a mystery. I know Bush and his buddies morphed it into some generalized BS about “they hate us for our freedom”, which then gave them an excuse to invade whatever they wanted ’cause FREEDOM HATING MUSLIM TERRORISTS everywhere, but it’s not historical fact. UBL had a specific problem with the US, and did horrible things about it.

  20. INB: it would have helped the Fox Haters’ case if she actually said it on Fox. But, she didn’t. She was asked the question and answered it on CNN. lol. Anyway, Fox Haters are silly.

  21. savefarris Says:

    You’ll forgive me if I don’t consider this one Democrat a symbol of the whole party.

    I’ll forgive you.

    Just as soon as you apologize for doing the exact same thing with…

    Todd Akin
    Christine O’Donnell
    Steve Scalise
    Michelle Bachman
    Mark Foley

  22. icemannyr Says:

    This was a FOX thing till others asked the question at the W.H. Press about not using name “Radical Islam”. Yes the other news channels did cover it after that Q&A but not as much as FNC does every day on almost over show.

    As someone asked on on cable news, did the war on terror change after Bush called it what it was?

  23. “This was a FOX thing till others asked the question at the W.H. Press about not using name “Radical Islam”. Yes the other news channels did cover it after that Q&A but not as much as FNC does every day on almost over show.”

    ^^It’s how the far right media machine works Ice. The POTUS will make a statement on something and rightwing fringers will pick it apart for some perceived flaw/flaws. It could be the way the statement was worded, where he made the statement, who was with him, what he was wearing etc.

    At some point one, or more, of the perceived flaws will catch on with the right wing blogs like Drudge, Breitbart or TDC and from there it will be picked up by FNC who will make it a cause celeb by covering it 24/7.

    From there conservative/Republican pols will take the talking points created by the blogs and FNC to their media scrums, and webpages which then creates a buzz with the MSM. The MSM then debates the perceived flaw as a real news story.

    The next step is to ask the POTUS’s press secretary (or the POTUS himself- if possible) or Democratic pols about why such a flaw (now called a scandal) could ever happen. At this point some Democrat pols will take the opportunity to criticize the POTUS – if it’s in their political interest to do so.

    Eventually the story dies of inertia or is overtaken by other news events and everyone moves on to the next scandal.

  24. I didn’t realize there were so many black helicopter spotters here. I hope you understand how ridiculous you sound.

  25. “I didn’t realize there were so many black helicopter spotters here. I hope you understand how ridiculous you sound.”

    LOL. That’s a good one coming from someone who never met a WH/Obama conspiracy theory he/she didn’t promote here – including the latest “The POTUS didn’t say ‘ISLAMIC JEHADIS’. It’s the end of the world as we know it one.🙂

  26. The offensiveness in comparing SSM to segregation seems obvious, especially without noting that a good number of the states in which it IS legal, it was imposed by judges who overturned current laws. Bit difficult to draw your regional superiority from that. And even with all that, should Shepard Smith really be preaching to us, when he hasn’t officially come out on his own network? It’s tough to fashion yourself a modern-day Freedom Rider when you can’t make a simple announcement on your employer’s microphone.
    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/foxs-shep-smith-same-states-that-were-fighting-integration-are-against-gay-marriage/

  27. The offensiveness in comparing SSM to segregation seems obvious, especially without noting that a good number of the states in which it IS legal, it was imposed by judges who overturned current laws. Bit difficult to draw your regional superiority from that. And even with all that, should Shepard Smith really be preaching to us, when he hasn’t officially come out on his own network? It’s tough to fashion yourself a modern-day Freedom Rider when you can’t make a simple announcement on your employer’s microphone.
    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/foxs-shep-smith-same-states-that-were-fighting-integration-are-against-g@y-marriage/

    Had to modify URL. Might need to copy/paste.

  28. “should Shepard Smith really be preaching to us, when he hasn’t officially come out on his own network?”

    ^^Fair point Lynn. Maybe; later this year, when it’s legal everywhere; FNC will allow him to officially come out – or maybe not.

  29. icemannyr Says:

    I’ll be the first to say the Obama admin sending James Talyor to perform when John Kerry went to Paris may not have been the best idea but I just don’t get the childish mocking and laughing going on about this on FNC.

    Let’s remember for as silly as it might be people died in a terror attack and lets have a little respect for them.

    During the segment on The Five Dana though it was necessary to mock Kerry for wind surfing during the 2004 election. All the hosts also had to pick a song they thought would be better choice to perform.

    You had another segment this am on F&F with Huckabee mocking Kerry as the hosts laughed.

    Did they laugh and take cheap shots on any other news channel?

  30. icemannyr Says:

    After being part of a segment on Friday on The Five mocking Kerry and Taylor for the event Thursday in Paris and suggesting song alternatives we get this tweet,

    “Andrea Tantaros ‏@AndreaTantaros 8min ago
    What song should we have played instead of #JamesTaylor and You’ve Got a Friend? Nothing. People were murdered. This isn’t a musical.”

    So wait, now the terror attack was too serious to have Taylor perform and suggest song alternatives because “People were murdered.” but not serious enough for FNC’s The Five to not do a segment mocking the performance and suggesting song alternatives?

  31. The use of Mr Taylor as a means of saying “our bad” was one of the most pathetic foreign policy presentations that I have ever seen in my life. Against that, I can’t really fault anything that The Several have done in response. You don’t have your government create a parody on the world stage, and criticize some folks for noticing.

  32. I would’ve gone with a boom box and Peter Gabriel.

  33. And then Kerry goes in for a hug. I’ve been blessed to never have a moment like that with the opposite sex, let alone.

  34. No, wait.. but that was a really long time ago…

  35. icemannyr Says:

    OK then. Still waiting for the Pirro correction/apology segment tonight.

  36. “No-go zones..less no-go and Sharia-ish than Andrea Tantaros told you.”

    ^^Next up as the ‘Kerry/Taylor scandal’ plays out and the ‘no go zones in Europe’ scandal proves to be a total fabrication are the 19 (or 22 – or 35) Muslim paramilitary training camps operating now in the US; apparently with the OK of the FBI and US government. It’s already out of the far right fringe security blogs and been discussed on a number of FNC shows. I expect we will get a question or two at the WH press briefings in the next week or two and Republican pols and POTUS wannabes will soon start to bringing it up on the Hill. We’ll see.

  37. icemannyr Says:

    That’s right the latest fear mongering on FNC is from Ryan Mauro of the ClarionProject who is basically saying there are no-go zones in the USA.

    http://nation.foxnews.com/2015/01/14/video-muslim-training-guerilla-warfare-new-york

    And this about no-go zones is still up on FOXNews.com http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/01/10/hundreds-no-go-zones-across-france-are-limits-non-muslims

  38. icemannyr Says:

    FNC on The FOX Report just did their correction for talk about “no-go zones” in which Julie said there was no evidence they exist but she also compared those locations to “areas of high crime” in the USA and Europe and said they were places “Where police and visitors enter with caution”.

    So now FNC is saying those Muslim no-go zones are Muslim high crime areas?

  39. Why the hell was actual real journalist Julie Banderas apologizing for Fox “opinion” morons? They made up some crap and presented it to viewers as fact. The liars need to correct and apologize.

  40. Crazy Eyes Pirro admitted she let that fool lie to her viewers. Then she gave actual facts about the Muslim population of Birmingham. Which Fox opinion heads should have had a week ago before bleating nonsense about no-go zones and Sharia Law.

  41. I think I get why Fox had Julie do this now: They used a real journalist to wipe away a week of opinion morons lying to their viewers. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a channel apologize for an entire network-wide meme before.

    http://video.foxnews.com/v/3995699587001/julie-apologizes-for-european-muslim-population-errors/?#sp=show-clips

  42. It will be interesting to see if FNC personalities like Hannity, Pirro or Cavuto actually follow-up this apology by not letting these clowns propagate their BS on the network in the future. I guess we’ll know pretty quickly.

  43. They’ll have to start with their own hosts. Tantaros was babbling about areas of Europe under Sharia Law on Friday. Which she pulled literally out of thin air.

  44. They insulted a continent! That takes talent. Julie apologized to any and all who were offended, “..including the people of France and England” which, I must admit, is funny every time I hear it.

  45. Then there’s this, updated with Kooiman’s apology for “some French no-go zones were highlighted in error.” Whatever that means.

    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/french-tv-show-launches-email-campaign-to-make-fox-news-apologize/

  46. The French TV clip above seems to indicate that it was all BS, but what would they know?

  47. Watching the rerun of MTP and Chuck Todd noted that the admin won’t even use the term radical islamists. I can only assume that Roger Ailes is behind this. Because Fox!

  48. — Julie Banderas —

    I’ll never get over this one:
    youtube.com/watch?v=G8ZttKc-tmk

  49. Gotta love guests on MSNBC when they say stuff like this.

    “I think Governor Jindal is protesting a bit too much. He might be trying to scrub some of the brown off his skin as he runs to the right in a presidential bid,” said Iftikhar.

    And then he goes on to say you should not marginalize and minority demographic group. Listen to yourself much, mister?

    And Alex Wagner just lets it slide!

    http://freebeacon.com/culture/msnbc-guest-bobby-jindal-trying-to-scrub-some-of-the-brown-off-his-skin/

  50. I like how this interview ends:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmkRwJ2f8z0

  51. 8 minutes and 54 seconds of Vermont High Schoolers Destroying FNC on the Ethics of Journalism:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzYymuslGDw
    It’s obvious The Factor isn’t news but opinion. But even opinions should be grounded on some facts. The Factor vs. The Journal Editorial Report. And sad to see some people still think the Factor (or worse, Hannity) is news despite the fact FNC acknowledges it’s opinion.

  52. That business on MSNBC was pathetic. Alex Wagner has a double-shot at Fox and Jindal served up to her, and she lets a guest go ”brown skin” on his behind? They’re both morons.

  53. I notice that none of the “liberals” who post here regularly seem to have a problem with this kind of language on MSNBC. That shows their true “colors”.

  54. A high school teacher having students go after a Watters World segment? Thanks for the awesomeness, Outsider.

  55. Well, Pam, maybe you should focus on making your own comments instead of “wondering” why liberals aren’t talking about this or that.

  56. The kids in that video were pretty awesome. Anyone who thought that O’Reilly and Watters were doing an honest presentation of these various localities was silly, but they did a fantastic job tearing it apart.

  57. They’re using a Watters World segment to attack all of Fox News. Which is what they’re accusing FNC of doing. Ok, my last comment on this. Too stupid to bother with.

  58. They’re high schoolers schooling an idiot for making them look like idiots. It’s. Awesome.

  59. I did notice, because I have great reading comprehension, that in your comment to me joe, you DID NOT CONDEMN the kind of language I pointed out. As I said, your true colors are showing!

  60. Outsider: “And sad to see some people still think the Factor (or worse, Hannity) is news despite the fact FNC acknowledges it’s opinion.”

    Can’t make “headway” through the mush that is in the heads of some people. I guess the reason that people can’t get it through their heads is because FOX lies or something!

  61. Just watched the video Outsider posted and I could pick apart those snotty little kids premises by the first 3 minutes.

    Could not even watch the whole thing. You people are funny!

  62. I guess we can stop hearing about this since they axed the guy, right?
    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/msnbc-will-not-invite-back-guest-who-made-brown-scrubbing-jindal-comments/

  63. Ask joe and fritz about this. They had NO OPINION prior to MSNBC canning the guy as a guest. Looks like for once MSNBC did the right thing. Joe and fritz – not so much!

  64. I try to avoid demanding that people defer to my demands, outside the house. It’s kind of a thing.

  65. Here’s the deal, Pam. I hadn’t seen your post about the moron on MSNBC ’til I saw your comment about liberals here and their ‘true colors’. I consider your condemnation of my NOT commenting on something I hadn’t even seen offensive, and chose not to grant your offensive demand. Now maybe you can explain why you haven’t condemned all the lies Fox told about ‘no-go zones’. Fun game, eh?

  66. savefarris Says:

    Well, at least they’re taking the problem of Global Warming seriously:

    http://www.newsweek.com/1700-private-jets-descend-davos-world-economic-forum-300451

  67. Sounds like no-go zones aren’t as crazy as everyone thinks they are.

    “Fabrice Balanche, a well-known French Islam scholar who teaches at the University of Lyon, recently told Radio Télévision Suisse: “You have territories in France such as Roubaix, such as northern Marseille, where police will not step foot, where the authority of state is completely absent, where mini Islamic states have been formed.””

    “French politician Franck Guiot wrote that parts of Évry, a township in the southern suburbs of Paris, are no-go zones where police forces cannot go for fear of being attacked. He said that politicians seeking to maintain “social peace” were prohibiting the police from using their weapons to defend themselves.”

    “The Socialist mayor of Amiens, Gilles Demailly, has referred to the Fafet-Brossolette district of the city as a “no-go zone” where “you can no longer order a pizza or get a doctor to come to the house.” Europe 1, one of the leading broadcasters in France, has referred to Marseille as a “no-go zone” after the government was forced to deploy riot police, known as CRS, to confront warring Muslim gangs in the city. The French Interior Ministry said it was trying to “reconquer” 184 square kilometers (71 square miles) of Marseille that have come under the control of Muslim gangs.”

    “The French newspaper Le Figaro has referred to downtown Perpignan as a “veritable no-go zone” where “aggression, antisocial behavior, drug trafficking, Muslim communalism, racial tensions and tribal violence” are forcing non-Muslims to move out. Le Figaro also reported that the Les Izards district of Toulouse was a no-go zone, where Arab drug trafficking gangs rule the streets in a climate of fear.”

    “A graphic 20-minute documentary (in French) about the no-go zone in Clichy Montfermeil, a suburb of Paris, can be viewed here. At around the 3-minute mark, the video shows what happens when French police enter the area.”

    “A 1.5 hour documentary (in French) produced by France’s TF1 about Muslim gangs in Parisian no-go zones can be viewed here. A 50-minute documentary (in French) produced by France’s TV3 about the no-go zones of Clos Saint-Lazare in northern Paris can be viewed here. A 45-minute documentary (in English) about the no-go zones of Marseilles can be viewed here.”

    Are all of these various sources lying?

    http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5128/france-no-go-zones

  68. No, those various sources are describing sketchy high crime areas, which was never in dispute. “Veritable no-go zone” is a made-up phrase for a place like the Carmelitos Projects I grew up near. What Fox was promoting was a literal definition stating that France and England have areas that are governed by Sharia Law, and non-Muslims are excluded from living there. It’s not true. Fox already told you it’s not true. If I recall correctly, Banderas and Pirro said so on live television Saturday night.

  69. Give it up already. FNC’s idiot pundits LIED. The French know their own country better than some Americans who’ve never been there. You know why all those white French people are mocking FNC, it’s because they live there and seen it.
    Looked up criticism of Gatestone and you see what bias they have. The idiots there need to hire people with some working knowledge of the French language to read French publications and also, not choose individuals who happen to be no name fringe lunatics who back the openly racist Front National. Most of those articles don’t even mention ‘Muslim’ or ‘Islam’. Use Google Translate and you see the Gatestone idiots don’t have a clue. Don’t trust Google Translate, buy a French-English dictionary. The first half is enough. Hey, maybe they hid all the juicy stuff at the bottom of the page.

  70. Via Mediate: Funny how O’Reilly said FNC is blocked in France but look at this:
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,184837,00.html
    #FoxNewsFact

  71. Tried to post this yesterday, not sure what happened. http://www.mediaite.com/tv/ronan-farrows-awkwardly-condescending-exchange-with-black-teen/
    anyway, great example of where mediaite really fails. It’s a big nothing burger but they try to turn it into something.

  72. Hate having to tinyurl this sucker, but the screengrab will embed.
    http://tinyurl.com/k2ekzaz

  73. Aw. Been a while since a good ol Alan Grayson story.

  74. That would make so much more sense if Florida was at a higher altitude.

  75. savefarris Says:

    WHAT’S NOT: MSNBC just ran a promo for the Maddow Show that described the hostess as a “News Anchor”.

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