FNC Falls On Its Sword…

I don’t bring this up because it’s FNC or because the gaffes were so ridiculous in the first place. No, I bring this up because I have not seen such a forthright display of sword falling by a network in a long long time…not since Lawrence O’Donnell did it many years ago. I’ve gotten used to meely mouthed “yeah, but” type apologies or gritted teeth type apologies the past few years that when a sincere one comes around I get taken aback.

It wasn’t just Fox and Friends and Jeanne Pirro as TVNewser reported this morning. On The Fox Report tonight, Julie Banderas spent over a minute apologizing for gaffes that as far as I know never occurred on that show.

So I give FNC big credit for owning up to the mistakes that occurred on their air the past week or so. Yes, FNC hasn’t gotten around to fixing this yet, but I’m sure they will…

100 Responses to “FNC Falls On Its Sword…”

  1. Guess there’s nothing that focuses the mind quite like p|ssing off David Cameron and half the European Continent, with a bunch of heinously Islamophobiic bullsh|t. But hey, at least they apologized.

  2. Fox News is amazing. They say whatever makes themselves happy in that building, and expect the outside world to just get over it. They finally got called out; not just for one show; but for an entire week of spreading a patently false story over multiple programs. But they’re the most powerful name in news and we can totally trust them. “We lied to you over and over again for a solid week. I wouldn’t worry about it.”

  3. icemannyr Says:

    I did not realize the guest called into question for his comments on FOX & Friends last weekend was also a guest on Cavuto the following Monday talking no-go zones, http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/01/12/paris-attacks-prompt-fears-france-muslim-no-go-zones-incubating-jihad/

  4. icemannyr Says:

    BTW: FNC also claimed the USA has no go zones in this segment from the 14th on FOX & Friends.

    http://video.foxnews.com/v/3988810478001/how-muslim-enclaves-are-spreading-across-the-us/

  5. Wouldn’t have happened if they actually bothered to send someone into the field and looked into those claims. Opinion isn’t like real journalism but at least do it right. Opinion on a supposed news channel doesn’t mean spout whatever crosses your mind even if it’s not true.
    If this claim were true, why didn’t an actual journalist report this? They still have a few of those people around FNC.
    If most people in those countries aren’t offended, they’re having a lot of fun with this. FNC was already the subject of ridicule for most non-Americans and most don’t take it serious. It’s so bad if you ever mention FNC as your source, people will never take you seriously.
    It must really suck for those who work at FNC and care about professionalism.

  6. The thing is, this fake story (‘no go zones’) has been around for awhile now and was discussed on a number of FNC shows for a number days as a fact.

    Fox News only got into trouble when a guest made a truly crazy claim which was causing the network to be laughed at. FNC hopes the apology puts and end to the scandal without having to explain why the network didn’t fact check the story in the first place; something any intern could have done in minutes.

    It took me 15 minutes on Wikipedia and Google to find out what these zones really were (I explained them in an earlier post) and there is no reason any employee or host on FNC couldn’t have done the same thing. They just didn’t want to find out the truth or they wanted to propagate the lie, which is what I think their motive was in the first place.

    I know Howie will say the story is over now but I hope Stelter and other media critics will ask the tough questions as to why FNC is allowed to broadcast fake stories on their network without being taken to task. After all this is far from the first time this has happened.

  7. Back in 2012 Fox News chief Roger Ailes gave a talk at the University of North Carolina. One of the things he said was this: “In 15 years we have never taken a story down because it was wrong. You can’t say that about CNN, CBS or the New York Times.”

    Hey, at least they apologized.

  8. this is far from the first time this has happened.
    But don’t try to tell that to their audience. Because MSM. And Fox Hater.

  9. “In 15 years we have never taken a story down because it was wrong.”

    ^^I’m sure he wanted to convey the impression that FNC never makes a mistake, but obviously the meaning was we never admit a mistake; no matter how obvious it appears. I guess he can’t say that anymore.🙂

  10. “If this claim were true, why didn’t an actual journalist report this? ”

    To their credit Greg Palkot an actual report on these areas as Erik Wemple notes,
    “Palkot said that he had “firsthand experience” a few years back with these areas in a ride-along with French police through a “very bad ghetto” outside of Paris. “We turned one corner. The police in the car saw a group of young men at the other end of the street. They stopped. They backed up, and they rode off. I asked the commanding officer why. He said he couldn’t. I reminded him that he was a French police officer on French soil, and he was saying it was not possible to go forward. He acknowledged that difficult reality,” said Palkot.
    So Palkot alleged that the police were afraid to tread in certain sketchy areas.”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2015/01/18/fox-news-corrects-apologizes-for-no-go-zone-remarks/

  11. Just as NBC News rightly deserved flack for the selective editing of video and audio tapes, FNC does for talking about something that turned out to be not true in the way it was described.

    It’s not a matter of FOX hating. It’s wanting any news channel to fact check and not continue to say things that are incorrect.

    The reason some find this more interesting is because FNC is the network that likes to talk about how the media is covering stories and highlight when they get something wrong.

  12. Having had shots fired while delivering a pizza, I know the thrill of having a cop tell you “I wouldn’t deliver to this neighborhood”.

  13. If FOX had simply said these were high crime areas where people tread with caution as Julie explained them in her correction they would have been ok.
    Instead it became areas where only Muslims are allowed.

  14. “Sketchy areas” is not “no one allowed in but Muslims, governed by Sharia Law”. They lied. Repeatedly, on numerous shows.

  15. Good thing they apologized, four seperate times I believe, for what a guest said on their airways. I see that the Fox Haters have accepted the apology and moved on. And, Megyn Kelly is too pretty to be an anchor!

  16. “I see that the Fox Haters have accepted the apology and moved on.”

    ^^You (and the FNC suits) wish.🙂

  17. So nice that Brian Stelter gets to do his actual show, today, instead of anchoring another plane crash.

  18. LS: want to get fat and drunk? Eat and drink every time somebody says Fox lies! Fox haters will be talking about this until the presidential election.

  19. Yes, Pam, the problem is that people noticed Fox made up some egregious crap, and poor poor pitiful Fox News had to apologize. Four times. And we haven’t even gotten to Outnumbered and Andrea Tantaros yet.

    Meanwhile people still mention – years later – that Ed Schultz called Laura Ingraham a bad name on radio, and got suspended and had to apologize on MSNBC. And they rarely note the aftermath, just the initial transgression.

    Fox is not the victim of “Fox haters”. They blew it so bad that Rupert Murdoch was getting heat from Europe, a continent which actually regulates the journalistic quality of his Sky News. This massive correction of a massive lie came from the top. The “Fox hater” you have a problem with is the guy who owns the joint.

  20. Apologize 4 times. Sounds to me like 4x more than most cable news apologizes. How many times did MSNBC apologize for editing video of George Zimmerman? Did they do it across all times of day and all types of shows – both hard news and opinion like Fox has?

  21. Nobody is criticizing that FNC apologized. We have people here acting like commenters now have to stop talking about the story. Which is ridiculous. This is a cable news blog; this thread is about this story in cable news; and it’s one of the most sweeping correction/apologies I’ve ever seen in the business.

    Fox finally got caught spreading propaganda throughout the network – which they do as standard network policy – and I intend to enjoy the show for a while.

  22. People make mistake and I believe Emerson is sincere. However, there are a few more who should be apologizing and it shouldn’t be actual news presenters (I like this British term over ‘anchor’) like Julie Banderas.
    The damage has been done. There will be those who have heard these lies (errors if one is extremely generous) and not the apologies.

    -‘Fox Hater’-
    ‘Fox Hater’ will soon become ‘Fox Persecutors’.

    Found these interesting links:
    http://parisbymouth.com/paris-to-fox-news-eat-me/ (be prepared to feel hungry)

  23. And this: http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/nogozones.asp
    Funny tweets. The pic of the Queen is real but why she is wearing it is not because of Sharia.

  24. Fox got nailed for that “mistake” last weekend, and people were still saying it on Thursday, including Andrea Tantaros and a guest on Cavuto. We can pretend that this is about Fox Persecution, or we can admit that they might have been feeding their audience a recognized load of crap. I would be more concerned about the practices of a news channel than some commenters on a blog, but that’s just me.

  25. ^ Oops, sorry. That happened on Friday. After all hell broke loose from Jeanine Pirro’s program, last Saturday.

  26. The Pirro thing was about “Birmingham is entirely Muslim”, which the good judge not only let stand, but agreed with. That was a one-time screw-up from a guest. This ‘no-go zone’ crap was repeated ad nauseum by guests and hosts all week, and that’s what Banderas apologized for. Especially to the people of England and France.

  27. I guess they really did fall on their sword. It’s just… well, it seemed to me more that they tripped and fell on it.

  28. harry1420 Says:

    Fox says what its audience wants to hear. If fox..well all news channels.. would stick to reporting the FACTS it wouldn’t get itself in trouble. BUT of course watching fox and not getting opinions would be like going to the restroom and your crap not stinking.

  29. I love the black helicopter theories. Keep em coming!

  30. Lots of people immigrate to the US and start out dirt poor living in ethnic neighbourhoods. These may be poor, “rough” areas, but they aren’t ghettos by any stretch. Some are from the very same countries as are those being discussed in England and France. The difference is that here they have opportunity and, without abandoning their own, they assimilate into the American culture. They quickly belong here. Not so over there.

    I suspect France is even worse, but in England they don’t really “get” what our melting pot is. It wasn’t long ago when “the sun never set on the British Empire” and, since many from those lands could move to the London area without issue, Brits assumed immigrants would as well. They neglected to realise that those successful transplants were already converted-to-British subjects with a purpose to their lives who felt that they belonged. When it comes to seamlessly assimilating foreign cultures into their own, the Brits suck at it. And over there a roof, food, water, medical care, education, etc., are all a given. What they don’t have is that “thing” they don’t understand, and what comes naturally (albeit sometimes grudgingly) to Americans. We have it simply because that’s who *we* are…. as dogs we’d be “mutts” not “pure-breds”.

    Ghettos in the US, of course, are predominantly and not surprisingly black. These souls are remnants of the one group of cultures who for so long were not allowed assimilation and opportunity. That they are poor is but a symptom; these are descendants of people who were taught that the did not belong. I dare say you’ll not find a single person of a family that recently immigrated from an African county living in a ghetto. They were allowed to assimilate and taught opportunity.

  31. Fox News spent a week repeating this crap. Even after the network said they would be issuing an on-air apology and admitted that one of their guests got their facts wrong, Andrea Tantaros was on the air repeating this stuff.

    This was about as bad as it gets. It’s not like it was one person on one show — it was a network-wide narrative.

  32. It’s kind of amazing that not only did Howard Kurtz do a pitifully short comment on this incident, but spent part of it criticizing “other media”. Because calling Steve Emerson the wrong thing is totally comparable with what FNC did.
    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/howard-kurtz-covers-foxs-apologies-then-takes-shot-at-media/

  33. I don’t bother with it, Andy. It speaks for itself. Repeatedly.

  34. “Because calling Steve Emerson the wrong thing is totally comparable with what FNC did.”

    ^^Actually they didn’t get it wrong. Emerson was self styled ‘expert’ on Islamic jihadists who was ‘contributing’ to a fake story on non-existent ‘no go zones’ in Europe on FNC; that included an ‘idiotic’ statement about Birmingham England being an Muslim controlled city.😉

  35. Oh, but now the diversion is to talk about Huffpo and “other media’s” mistake, so Howard Kurtz’s job is done.

  36. Howie’s performance was inexcusable. Nobody gives a damn that Emerson isn’t a direct, paid employee of Fox News. He’s a Fox stooge brought on a Fox stooge show to say Fox stooge things. They got caught and Kurtz tried to change the subject.

  37. Bobby Jindal got busted by CNN for saying “no-go zones” again, so he changed the definition to “would rather not go”, then pretended that’s what he really meant. Banderas took a stab at this at the end of her correction, too, with “high crime areas”. Sorry, kids, you don’t get to change what the words mean, then keep saying the words. “No-go zones” is made-up propaganda BS.

  38. It doesn’t help that Emerson’s comments were followed up by a week of Fox News hosts doubling down and repeating things he said.

  39. They were called out by the UK Prime Minister, and kept talking about ‘no-go’ zones for another five days. They thought it would blow over, somehow, until the office phones started to melt. In my opinion.

  40. The purpose of their apology was to stifle the growing criticisms, not to make amends. This is theatre.

  41. Don’t worry, they pundits will find another way to demonize minorities, distort facts and spew lies.
    It’s one thing to point out radical Islam but what FNC does is pandering to bigots with baseless claims masquerading as facts and taking details out of context. But it’s OK as long as the $$$ rolls in.

  42. ^It is funny because FNC opinion hosts portray themselves as the defenders of truth but are in reality the opposite.

  43. icemannyr Says:

    Hannity calling Moore “Ignorant, mean and stupid” is ironic. Tell us more about those no-go zones Sean.

  44. The video doesn’t even need subtitles. It’s hilarious in French.

    http://crooksandliars.com/cltv/2015/01/le-petit-journal-gloats-fox-news-many

    PS. I didn’t even know about the ridiculous poll.

  45. ‘French guy drinking a Big Gulp’ should be a regular segment on that show, assuming it isn’t.

  46. That is hilarious.

    Too bad Neil Gabler and the rest of the old Fox News Watch gang aren’t still around to hold FNC’s feet to the tickle feather.

  47. That poll was great. On a normal day, you would think that reporting a poll that says French people have a 16-27% positive opinion of ISIS would get more attention. But I suppose we have bigger feet to tickle. Snort.

  48. I’m back to my original opinion about having Banderas handle the apology. Now people on Twitter think she did that no-go crap, and none of the actual idiots involved apologized today. That’s not right.

  49. I’m surprised Mediaite hasn’t posted CNN’s piece. They ran a montage of hosts talking about ‘no-go’ zones, and the ones who apologized. I could be wrong, but Pirro appeared to be the only ‘opinion’ host who retracted (her visage not being that of a person who is ‘sorry’), and she had no choice. So, Tantaros and Hannity blew that BS more than anyone, but have yet to mention that they were wrong, and now Julie Banderas catches hell on Twitter. Great job, guys.

  50. You shouldn’t be surprised. This is theatre and having Hannity (or Tantaros for that matter) admit the false narrative might harm the production value. Pirro is used for filler material anyway, and having Banderas be the primary face of the apology allows the impression that this was a correctable news-gathering glitch that led mere opinion hosts astray.

  51. When Julie started to do the apology I was saying why is she doing that now when Pirro’s show is on at 9pm?

    Pirro should have been the first one to apologize then the other shows that said it go after her.

    Now people believe Julie said it and she has to correct that.

  52. Surprised about Mediaite, not Fox. The fact that they spun this tale, had opinion people sell it for a couple weeks, then laid it off on Julie and some other anchors? Unfortunately, it’s not that surprising. Far as I’m concerned, they would still be saying it if Prime Minister David Cameron hadn’t scorched their behinds over it.

  53. I was saying why is she doing that now when Pirro’s show is on at 9pm?

    Because FNC wanted Twitter and blogs already discussing this before hearing Pirro’s. News channels don’t sell news any more, they sell news discussion – you can get news for free over the place. It’s safer for FNC to have their hard news people take the hit.

  54. If I could stand hearing Hannity’s voice I’d check out the radio programmes to find out if they’re not still saying or implying it.

  55. They were still saying it on Friday, the day before the retraction. Pirro’s show was six days earlier, with the response from Cameron the next day. That story had to be pried from their cold, dead hands, to coin a phrase.

  56. bucephelus Says:

    Odd how this site won’t print anything in defense of Fox News. “Inside Cable News” implies this is a nonpartisan site. It ain’t.

  57. “Odd how this site won’t print anything in defense of Fox News. “Inside Cable News” implies this is a nonpartisan site. It ain’t.”

    ^^LOL! Obviously you’ve only read this post.

  58. bucephelus Says:

    I tried twice to add a comment pointing out how this scandal compares to other scandals and the moderator never approved it.

  59. “I tried twice to add a comment pointing out how this scandal compares to other scandals and the moderator never approved it.”

    ^^Spud’s moderation system keys on certain words some of which sound innocuous if you don’t post here very often. For example g*y (meaning h*mosexual) will get you moderated. If the comment is OK Spud will eventually read and post it. I say keep at it – although the last thing we need here are more right wingers.

  60. The Mayor of Paris says she is going to sue Fox News. Bahahaahahahaah. Best news I’ve heard in a while. So awesome.

  61. Bucephelus, I’m not sure complaining about bias is a wise opening comment on a blog, but ok then. Spud focuses on events in cable news, not open-ended defenses of one network or another. If you want a Fox Fan site which pretends to be a cable news blog, keep Googling. It’s out there.

  62. bucephelus Says:

    joeremi, I wasn’t expecting this blog to be an “open-ended defenses of one network or another” or a “Fox Fan site”. That is the opposite of my comment.

  63. Bucephelus,
    The commentary on this site comes and goes. When there’s a Fox scandal, a few commenters comment more than usual. When there’s not much to say about Fox, many of them are over at Twitter talking about the posters on this site and lamenting how it’s a “Fox fan” site. Which is kinda ironic given the tenor of the majority of the recent comments.

  64. You said “this site won’t print anything in defense of Fox News.” Since Spud gave them credit for apologizing about no-go zones, that’s not even true of this thread.

  65. Ah, my apologies, Buce. You meant that you thought the moderator wouldn’t print your defense of Fox. My bad, I misunderstood the comment.

  66. I tried to find a list of words that WordPress won’t allow, but all it talks about it how to prevent spam. Oh well.

  67. The other thing about comments dropped into moderation is that Spud has a day-job; he often doesn’t see them ’til late at night.

  68. bucephelus Says:

    I’m not going to try to repost my entire comment. But it had a word that started with “sl” and referenced something said by Ed Schultz a few years ago. That may have triggered something that got it flagged. But that aside, didn’t CNN also report on “No go” zones in this report? :

    http://www.erickontheradio.com/2015/01/cnn-reports-on-no-go-zones-forgets-all-about-it-while-interviewing-gov-bobby-jindal/

  69. Yeah, “sl–” won’t work, even in a quote. Some words get your comment thrown in moderation, and some get the comment blotted entirely. “Sl–” would be among the latter. This is why I’d like to find a link to the words, rather than modify them all in one post. That seems unwise.

  70. We discussed Ed’s little comment about Ingraham here in detail when it happened. I also mentioned it again over the weekend in relation to this story. The reality is that people in media who apologize and keep their jobs tend to be reminded of the transgression..often without the apology being acknowledged.

    In Ed’s case this happens a lot, and is generally painted as saying something about MSNBC as a whole. It’s not fair, but it’s the risk you take when you go off the deep end on air. Ed said it on radio, but MSNBC suspended him and got an apology when he came back. Regardless, they’re both still stuck with it.

    What’s different about ‘no-go zones’ is it was a network-wide meme promoted by numerous hosts and guests over at least one week, and someone said it might’ve been two. This is not a slip of the tongue, a bad temper, or a mistake. Fox either intentionally lied about the facts, or intentionally avoided learning about the claim before running with it. That’s journalistic suicide for a news outlet. They blew it big.

  71. Yeah, and pointing out that CNN reported ‘no-go’ a couple years ago, but not since, doesn’t seem like a great defense. It tells me that they looked into it, decided it wasn’t true, and moved on. Funny how Fox was unable to do the same.

  72. icemannyr Says:

    Some here seem to ignore that when CNN was doing non stop plane coverage many of the same people talking about FNC where talking about CNN.
    What people chat about on Twitter is irrelevant to what they post here.

  73. What people chat about on Twitter is irrelevant to what they post here.

    Especially people who were blocked for being abusive; so either haven’t seen those convos in a long time; or are finding a way around the block so they can continue to not even understand which blog is being referred to when they bring it over here. Yeah, that’s real helpful.

  74. Note the understated response from Fox. Charlie Ebdo was a terrible and terrifying event for France, and an American news channel insulted them afterward. The boss seems to realize this now.

    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/fox-news-responds-to-paris-mayors-lawsuit-threat/

  75. The Mayor should go ahead. May force the majority of opinion hosts and pundits to civilize themselves.
    I don’t care much for MSNBC but I don’t recall a time where they decided to slander an entire nation or continent.

  76. To be fair, the French are easily offended.

    MSNBC wasn’t a ratings leader when it transitioned into being a talk television channel but still had its fair share of troubles. FNC has been stuck in their transition for years, perhaps because “news” is part of its name and they don’t want to give it up. Without a crystal clear line between “news” and “opinion”, and without separate vetting of interviewee qualifications, it’s probably fairly easy to be confused with the “facts”.

    Plausible reason; not an excuse.

  77. Je ai été élevé en UK, et je vis à insulter les Français.

  78. ^ I thought WordPress moderated that sort of thing.

  79. Jimmy Kimmel probably has a copywrite on unnecessary moderations.

  80. Can you believe Fox News and Roger Ailes and Megyn Kelly made CNN do this?

    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/overlooked-cnn-also-engaged-in-unchecked-no-go-zone-chatter/

    Fox Power!

  81. bucephelus Says:

    This is one of those things that we pretend don’t exist out of political correctness but in fact everybody knows they do exist. Roger Ailes has to play along and only fight the important battles.

  82. I’ve found this whole controversy a bit puzzling frankly. I’m not defending the ridiculous comment by Emerson about Birmingham but I’ve read/seen a number of stories over the past several years about these alleged “no-go” zones. I can’t recall if they used that specific term but the stories/reports were about areas where large Muslim populations lived and the police – for a number of reasons – allegedly stood back from policing.

    Now, maybe that was all hooey but FNC’s stories on them weren’t the first making the allegations. I’m going to guess that CNN isn’t the only other major news outlet to make these claims. Let’s see what happens over the next week.

    Again, this is not a defense of FNC; it is a defense against the charge that they alone have disseminated the claims.

  83. Erich, the specific problem is that hosts and guests on FNC started claiming that these areas were literal “Muslim zones” governed by Sharia Law, and that non-Muslims were not allowed in. This is the specific claim Julie Banderas apologized for as having “no credible evidence”.

    There’s another version of this which Bobby Jindal referred to as “so-called no-go zones”. This is a more general reference to areas of high Muslim population, and the various problems Europe is experiencing with these folks not assimilating well. We had a similar problem in the 70’s in Southern California when the Vietnamese refugees came to Orange County. They started out in specific neighborhoods which seemed cut off from the world around them, and there was some consternation about the long term effects of this “two worlds” in the area. Fortunately this is America, and everybody assimilates eventually. By 1980 the ‘concern’ was a distant memory.

    This version of ‘no-go zones’ is a real thing in Europe which has been discussed for years, including on CNN. If they’ve been caught pulling the stunt FNC did, then they’ll have to take the fall for it. But it needs to be separate from the more common (and real) version of this story, which Fox has also discussed without problem.

  84. Same here Erich; I’ve heard of the so-called “no-go zones” in the past. The guy on FNC said he had bad info and FNC apologized multiple times. But, typically, the anti-Fox crowd are unhinged. While ignoring the same stuff on other networks. Becasue, Fox.

  85. LS, I just mentioned that Fox has discussed ‘so-called no go zones’ in the correct way in the past. It’s right there above your comment. You can’t come here and lie about what “Fox haters” said right below the thing you lied about.

  86. Julie Banderas, Jeanine Pirro, and others apologized not Sean Hannity, Andrea Tantaros and a few others who continued to say what was untrue (misinterpreted if one is being kind) even after Emerson and another guest apologized. They wanted to perpetuate the lie to scare and pander to the many bigots in their audience, which consequently misleads those who do want to know about things.
    And no, I did not ignore CNN when Spud posted it.

  87. Talk radio personalities will often repeat things already proven to be untrue. They almost never retract those statements regardless of the topic. Their goal isn’t so much to perpetrate a lie as it is to perpetrate a moving theme to keep their audience tuned in.

    Not sure about Tantaros but Sean Hannity actually is a radio talk show host. I’ll be surprised if he ever opines a retraction.

  88. talk radio personalities
    Which is what Fox does. They “perpetrate a moving theme to keep their audience tuned in”. Exactly like talk radio, not news. Which would be fine, if significant numbers of people didn’t believe it.

  89. Tantaros has a radio show. Which is funny on several levels…

  90. I had a feeling she did, and I bet Pirro does not.

    MSNBC perpetrates a moving theme, too. At least they did back when I paid more attention. Some of that had to do with Bill O’Reilly who perpetrated his own anti-NBCU theme.

  91. MSNBC does liberal opinion, with an increasingly stronger dose of news on dayside as they’ve moved away from The Place For Politics (that title is only for Hardball now). Which is different from developing a corporate theme that tends to wend its way through many shows over days or weeks, like FNC does. They’re two completely different models.

  92. I’m guessing MSNBC’s “corporate theme” isn’t as stark as it was when there was a R in the White House. Perhaps it will be more noticeable now with Rs holding both Houses of Congress.

  93. That’s not what I’m seeing, Al. All of the latest moves in the schedule have focused on softer-spoken, younger liberals who tend to mix a lot of regular news and pop culture (like this NFL thing with the footballs) in with politics interviews. And those interviews vary widely from show-to-show throughout the day. Plus they’ve added Jose Diaz-Balart for a 2-hour general news show, and Kasie Hunt does bits all day long which eschew opinion for news and analysis.

    You’ll get the main news of the day as a theme, but not a specific liberal POV which translates as “this is how MSNBC feels about things” like Fox has been doing with “Radical Islam”.

    To use your radio metaphor, it feels like a college station run by the students as opposed to a corporate station with The Unseen Hand directing traffic. It’s quite different from just a few years ago, and the ratings got so bad that no one seems to know they changed yet. I like it a lot, but I’m one of the few actually watching.

  94. Since I don’t watch I’ll have to accept your take on it. With scepticism.

  95. One more add is that they don’t have The Grand Candidate this time around. The presumed nominee in ’16 is a person those college kids practically consider a Republican (Clinton), and it’s painfully obvious they’d rather have Elizabeth Warren or some other “real progressive” headed towards the election. Which makes for a much more interesting/entertaining mix of guests and conversation than when everyone was on The Obama Page.

  96. Who would’ve thought a few years ago that Glenn Beck would turn out to be more the grown-up of current and former FNC opinion hosts? His old show was certainly a perpetrated theme approach and I wonder if its mega-level success was the impetus of today’s productions.

  97. Hello people are you kidding me. This is happening regardless of foxes apologies. The only reason they were made to apologize is because France was so ashamed of themselves for allowing this to happen to their own country. I guess we owe them something for gifting us with the Statue of Liberty. Wake up people this is really happening and has been happening for years. France should wake up and get some back bone and now allow this to happen in their own country. You guys are so clueless.

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