SOTU 2015: Your Reactions…

Post your reactions to the coverage of tonight’s SOTU here. And at least try to stay on topic. We’re talking coverage of the SOTU…not the substance of the SOTU…

Me? I’m skipping the whole shebang. These things have turned into vacuous political party platform speeches (for both the White House and the party in opposition) more than a true accounting for what the State of our Union really is.

It would be interesting to have the networks devote some serious reporting to this. But they won’t. They’ll regurgitate what each side says mostly taking it at face value. I’d rather tune in six months later to see who actually successfully executed on what they talked about tonight.

31 Responses to “SOTU 2015: Your Reactions…”

  1. Flipping around, mostly CNN. But, once again, FNC and CNN are the adults in the room. And MSNBC is, well, MSNBC.

  2. “Flipping around, mostly CNN. But, once again, FNC and CNN are the adults in the room. And MSNBC is, well, MSNBC.”

    ^^Wow. Imagine my surprise. LS didn’t like MSNBC presentation. And tomorrow the sun will rise.🙂

  3. imnotblue Says:

    You don’t feel the least bit hypocritical, do you Fritz?

  4. I liked CNN’s just fine. Dana Bash did a solid interview with Schumer

  5. “You don’t feel the least bit hypocritical, do you Fritz?”

    ^^No. I’ve watched lots of these speeches and the coverage is always about the same. Each network looks and sounds about the same every year. In general MSNBC likes what it sees, FNC doesn’t and CNN splits the baby.

    Whether commenters here like the coverage depends on their ideology. LS, Blue, Farris etc. will think FNC and maybe CNN will be ‘the adults in the room’. I, and other liberals here will think FNC was biased and CNN and MSNBC were either good or OK depending on how non biased we want to appear.

    In general, on all channels, it’s the same pundits and hosts giving the same opinions and asking the same questions as last year and the year before. It’s groundhog day.

  6. I heard part of the speech in the car..just now watching MSNBC’s coverage. Since I don’t have any knowledge of the coverage, I’ll comment on the speech I heard. It was checked out and weird. One of the dumbest speeches I’ve ever heard.

  7. CNN and FNC were the adults because they had news and opinion people. MSNBC was all opinion. And they had Al Sharpton. That alone is enough.

  8. Actually Kasie Hunt was there, too, and did a lot of the talking. You don’t even know who was on the coverage.

  9. savefarris Says:

    My favorite part was when Sam lept into a guy that looked like Humphrey Bogart…

    … Sorry, I watched a re-run of Quantum Leap instead of the SOTU. Sounds like you guys might have watched a re-run as well.

  10. I finally located and viewed the four official Republican responses to the SOTU. I skipped the Spanish one as I don’t speak Spanish. I assume it focused on Cuba and immigration.

    IMHO the best response was by Rand Paul. It was well delivered in a setting that was neutral and not distracting. Like the POTUS, Paul proposed a number of actual legislative proposals. Some were far out but many, like term limits, would have a lot of support with the American voters of all parties.

    Curt Clawson was OK. His delivery was smooth (if a bit smarmy at times), the set (aside from the Tea Party Express backdrop) was OK and his long story about his basketball college days was, at least, relevant to the point he was making. Unfortunately most of his speech was Tea Party boilerplate and he made no actual policy proposals, as far as I can remember.

    Joni Ernst had a bit of the deer in the headlights feel and I thought she was too close to the camera. Her speech had no actual details and offered us mostly platitudes and talking points. The story about childhood was too long and really had no point. Not Bobby Jindal or Marc Rubio bad but more like Bob MacDonald contrived.

    Ted Cruz was amateur hour. Done live outside The Capital, (I think) it featured a live restart and the noise of people leaving the building as background. Mostly a rambling diatribe. It was, in a word, embarrassing.

  11. I didn’t get Joni Ernst at all. It was a variation on her campaign speech, with Palinesque declarations of what problems need to be solved, followed by generic calls for “reform” for these problems. “I grew up on a farm, we have bad things that need to be turned into good things.” Well great.

  12. On FNC’s Outnumbered Tantaros said the response had no headline grabbing big idea that would have gotten attention and why not do with in a bigger space with people standing behind Ernst instead of the standard boring backdrop.

  13. One of the memes that I noticed in play last night by Republican pols and pundits was their newfound emphasis on helping the poor get out of poverty.

    The problem is they seem to think the poor are poor because they don’t know how to pull up their bootstraps and work harder but rather are lazy and living in a state of government dependency.

    Their solutions are, not actually helping them with jobs, food and shelter but rather all about removing government support so they are forced to stand on their own two feet and make it on their own.

    While this plays well with those, like many Republicans, that think being poor is the fault of the poor; it does nothing concrete to actually help them get out of their poverty.

  14. “We’re gonna help the poor by abandoning those lazy schmucks.” See you in’16!

  15. savefarris Says:

    they don’t know how to pull up their bootstraps and work harder but rather are lazy and living in a state of government dependency.

    It’s not that they don’t know how to work harder, it’s that under the current welfare scheme, we actively punish those who do so.

    If you’re making minimum wage and you’ve got kids, you can qualify for a whole range of benefits from:

    Section 8
    SSI
    EITC
    SCHIP
    SNAP/WIC
    TANF
    Free School Lunch
    Head Start
    Obamaphones
    Medicaid/Obamacare subsidies
    Plus all the other associated programs (Home Heating Oil, Mortgage Assistance, various grants), not to mention those that might exist on the state level (school vouchers, etc.)

    Once you start bettering yourself and earning more income, you no longer qualify for those programs. And depending on how many kids you have, you would have to make around $75-80K in order to make up for the lost benefits.

    When presented with the choice of making minimum wage and getting $80,000 in benefits or busting your a## and getting $50,000 in wages with nothing else to show for it (except a higher income tax bill), human nature says take the money.

  16. “When presented with the choice of making minimum wage and getting $80,000 in benefits or busting your a## and getting $50,000 in wages with nothing else to show for it (except a higher income tax bill), human nature says take the money.”

    ^^Thanks for making my case for me farris.

  17. savefarris Says:

    And you’re ok with that? With rewarding low achievement and punishing self-reliance?

    The Republican argument is we should flip the script and celebrate and reward those that work hard and contribute to society.

    The Democrat argument is … to make the situation even worse and to give people even MORE of an excuse not to better themselves.

    The health of a country isn’t determined by the generosity of their welfare state. The health of a county is determined by those who don’t need it.

  18. The Republican argument is we should flip the script and celebrate and reward those that work hard and contribute to society.

    The Democrat argument is … to make the situation even worse and to give people even MORE of an excuse not to better themselves.

    That’s exactly what Romney said in the “47% speech”. It’s still delusional BS now. See you in ’16.

  19. “The health of a country isn’t determined by the generosity of their welfare state. The health of a county is determined by those who don’t need it.”

    ^^Hard to argue with logic like that farris.🙂

  20. imnotblue Says:

    Wow. Imagine my surprise. fritz didn’t like the Republican responses. And tomorrow the sun will rise.🙂

    *sigh*

  21. “Imagine my surprise. fritz didn’t like the Republican responses. And tomorrow the sun will rise.”

    ^^ I watched them and gave an honest review of their delivery, setting and content from my POV. Paul gave the best performance. Whether I liked them or not is not really relevant. I liked Bobby Jindal’s response fine but not for any reason that you would be happy about.

  22. savefarris Says:

    We’re talking coverage of the SOTU…not the substance of the SOTU…

    I would assume the same holds true for the responses.

  23. I thought Sam and Cokie did a great job.

  24. I prefer Huntley and Brinkley.

  25. I saw a much of MSNBC’s re-air, and it was a good bit more balanced than I expected from a broadcast which makes no pretense of neutrality. The lib opinionaters focused more on policies brought up..then discussed those..than in cheerleading how swell Obama did. Kasie Hunt got a lot of air-time with straight news/analysis, and..well..you probably already know about Rachel’s interview with a trying-not-cough-his-head-off Richard Engel. He was not impressed with the foreign policy portion at all.

    For what it was..a SOTU broadcast hosted by lib opinion heads..it was a decent mix of lib/con opinion and straight news analysis. Richard Engel has always been good in his area of expertise, and Kasie Hunt brought an huge improvement in the non-partisan political analysis area.

    MSNBC has made a concerted effort to move dayside back to more general news lately, and this change in tone showed in the SOTU last night. I liked it a lot more than where they’ve been the last few years.

  26. imnotblue Says:

    I know… it’s “different.”

    *rolls eyes*

    So about that hypocrisy…

  27. Blue, no one can tell who you’re responding to, and so far all you’ve done in this thread is b/tch about comments. Did you see the coverage? Do you have an opinion on it?

  28. Uh-oh… the board cop doesn’t like my comment, and thinks he speaks for everyone else.

    I guess I better do what he says…

    Or not.

  29. The troll thinks calling someone “board cop” changes the fact that all he has done on this thread is harass people for commenting. You’re still a troll, Blue. Maybe you can head over to Fox Blog and complain about ICN comments there, too. It certainly seems to be more interesting to you than actual cable news commenting.

  30. imnotblue Says:

    Starting to caaaare…

    Nope. Fought it back. Still don’t.

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