Glass Houses…

The Washington Post’s Erik Wemple chronicles CNN’s recent affliction of “No-Go Zone-itis”

Now, none of these commentators, anchors or guests went quite as far as terrorism analyst Steve Emerson went on Jan. 10 when he visited the Fox News program “Justice with Judge Jeanine.” There, Emerson claimed that Birmingham, England, was overrun with Muslims: “There are actual cities like Birmingham that are totally Muslim, where non-Muslims just simply don’t go in,” he said. No, Birmingham isn’t totally Muslim. Backlash from that comment came from Prime Minister David Cameron and many others, conferring “no-go zone” ownership upon Fox News, perhaps unfairly.

But what about CNN? A question for the network on whether it should correct the instances above (and there may well be others) is pending.

Probably to be followed by a question of why CNN keeping bringing up FNC’s No-Go Zone instances when it was doing it too…

32 Responses to “Glass Houses…”

  1. I’m reposting this from the Fox ‘no-go’ thread. It’s an answer to Erich which indirectly addresses a problem I see in Wemple’s article, where he ticks off all the ‘no-go zone’ references on CNN, but doesn’t seem to differentiate between the two versions of this term going around. My last paragraph explains where CNN has a problem, and where both CNN and FNC do(did) not:

    The specific problem is that hosts and guests on FNC started claiming that these areas were literal “Muslim zones” governed by Sharia Law, and that non-Muslims were not allowed in. This is the specific claim Julie Banderas apologized for as having “no credible evidence”.

    There’s another version of this which Bobby Jindal referred to as “so-called no-go zones”. This is a more general reference to areas of high Muslim population, and the various problems Europe is experiencing with these folks not assimilating well. We had a similar problem in the 70’s in Southern California when the Vietnamese refugees came to Orange County. They started out in specific neighborhoods which seemed cut off from the world around them, and there was some consternation about the long term effects of this “two worlds” in the area. Fortunately this is America, and everybody assimilates eventually. By 1980 the ‘concern’ was a distant memory.

    This version of ‘no-go zones’ is a real thing in Europe which has been discussed for years, including on CNN. If they’ve been caught pulling the stunt FNC did, then they’ll have to take the fall for it. But it needs to be separate from the more common (and real) version of this story, which Fox has also discussed without problem.

  2. They should correct themselves. In fact, maybe, just maybe, have someone who actually have a clue about France and maybe speak the language. It typically helps. I have a hard time believing anyone of those guests know much about France and socioeconomic context. I highly doubt any of them have lived there nor studies much about the country in-depth (although you can’t blame them not wanting to live there because things are quite expensive).
    About Sweden, there are some people online who are complaining the police report that everyone is citing written in Swedish doesn’t mention Sharia or radical Islamists taking over, rather organized crime.
    That guest who blasted terror experts on CNN, he’s onto something.

  3. Can’t see a single thing with which to disagree, above. If CNN played this thing up the way Fox did, even if not nearly as pervasively, they should apologize quickly.

    Wemple also caught this. Gotta love O’Reilly,
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2015/01/21/fox-newss-bill-oreilly-says-he-didnt-have-anything-to-do-with-no-go-zone-thing-oh-yeah/

  4. You are correct, Outsider..CNN needs to address the specific instances where they blatantly stated there were these ‘zones’ as if they were legal, recognized entities. You are also correct about translations and lack of experience. I suspect the real story about real Muslim-dense neighborhoods is much more complex than US opinion heads are presenting to us.

  5. What’s funny is O’Reilly – as Wemple notes – didn’t use ‘no-go’ in the specific way FNC apologized for. He didn’t need to get defensive. Oy, I’m getting a headache trying to keep track of this.

  6. O’Reilly is so busy trying to separate himself from the Pirros and Hannitys (can you blame him?) that he doesn’t know what he’s denying.

  7. No one seems to have spotted that Anderson Cooper apologized for this, a short time ago.

  8. Shorter than Fox, but they didn’t run with it nearly as much.
    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/anderson-cooper-admits-cnn-mistakes-over-no-go-zones/

  9. It seems pretty obvious that the CNN guests; Gen. James Marks, Gary Bernsen and Harry Houck; either picked up the no go zone meme from FNC broadcasts or directly from right wing blogs.

    CNN should apologize as they, like FNC, could have found out the truth in a few minutes on a Google/Wikipedia search. Just lazy fact checking on their part.

    That Chris Cuomo spread this BS should be much more distressing to CNN as he was on location in Paris and obviously in way over his head. If you send a morning show host to cover a terrorist attack you better be sure he’s qualified, competent and knows enough to not say something stupid. Maybe someone like Ronan Farrow.😉

  10. – Joe’s repost –
    I think you nailed it, Joe.

    ^ ^ Nice to see that they had Cooper do their mistake admitting.

    ^ It could simply be that they picked it up from more legitimate personal sourcing that didn’t get the language/culture translations quite right.

  11. Here is list of the actual NO GO zones. This report covers many of them from actual French on the scene.

    http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5128/france-no-go-zones

    “Despite such politically correct denials, Muslim no-go zones are a well-known fact of life in many parts of Europe.

    What follows is the first in a multi-part series that will document the reality of Europe’s no-go zones. The series begins by focusing on France and provides a brief compilation of just a few of the literally thousands of references to French no-go zones from academic, police, media and government sources that can easily be found on the Internet by doing a simple search on Google.

    Fabrice Balanche, a well-known French Islam scholar who teaches at the University of Lyon, recently told Radio Télévision Suisse: “You have territories in France such as Roubaix, such as northern Marseille, where police will not step foot, where the authority of state is completely absent, where mini Islamic states have been formed.”

    French writer and political journalist Éric Zemmour recently told BFM TV: “There are places in France today, especially in the suburbs, where it is not really in France. Salafi Islamists are Islamizing some neighborhoods and some suburbs. In these neighborhoods, it’s not France, it’s an Islamic republic.” In a separate interview, Zemmour — whose latest book is entitled, “The French Suicide” — says multiculturalism and the reign of politically correct speech is destroying the country.

    French politician Franck Guiot wrote that parts of Évry, a township in the southern suburbs of Paris, are no-go zones where police forces cannot go for fear of being attacked. He said that politicians seeking to maintain “social peace” were prohibiting the police from using their weapons to defend themselves.

    The Socialist mayor of Amiens, Gilles Demailly, has referred to the Fafet-Brossolette district of the city as a “no-go zone” where “you can no longer order a pizza or get a doctor to come to the house.” Europe 1, one of the leading broadcasters in France, has referred to Marseille as a “no-go zone” after the government was forced to deploy riot police, known as CRS, to confront warring Muslim gangs in the city. The French Interior Ministry said it was trying to “reconquer” 184 square kilometers (71 square miles) of Marseille that have come under the control of Muslim gangs.

    The French newspaper Le Figaro has referred to downtown Perpignan as a “veritable no-go zone” where “aggression, antisocial behavior, drug trafficking, Muslim communalism, racial tensions and tribal violence” are forcing non-Muslims to move out. Le Figaro also reported that the Les Izards district of Toulouse was a no-go zone, where Arab drug trafficking gangs rule the streets in a climate of fear.”

    Will rely on the French folks on the ground.

  12. Nice work, Bricko. I’ll leave it to Outsider to explain (again..this already appeared in exact form on another thread, plus Mediaite comments) this to you.

  13. Run the written articles through Google Translate. If I recall correctly from yesterday, at the end of Franck Guiot’s op-ed, he gave credit to the openly racist Front National. The article about the Socialist mayor made no mention of Muslims. Le Figaro, a right-leaning national paper, didn’t mention Muslims. The French Interior ministry statement wasn’t talking about Sharia Law but organized crime. One of the articles had comments, and none mentioned Muslims, Sharia, or Islamists. What Gatestone did was attach terms that weren’t even in the news articles.
    According to Wikipedia, which can be unreliable but it’s rare, Éric Zemmour is a controversial personality.
    Gatestone has been accused of being anti-Muslim.

  14. So……apparently Islam has nothing to do with anything according to all? Must be those always evil Amish and we will all continue the search for “…what causes this behavior…”

  15. Yeah, that went about as expected.

  16. France is experiencing significant problems with its Muslim population. This fact is not in debate. The origin, as the French have admitted, is mostly of their own flawed design. They were not nearly as discerning as they should have been as to who they allowed to immigrate and they have never been very successful at assimilating other cultures into their own. The latter is a problem throughout the European countries and elsewhere.

    At issue is not Islam. It is about news channel using incorrect facts for reporting or informed debate.

  17. Someone compared it to talk-radio, which is apt, but it also reminds me of supermarket tabloids, such as the Enquirer. They used to say that each story contained a grain of truth, around which a web of BS had been spun. Fox and CNN each reported the “grain of truth” plus a little extra. Fox went the extra mile by spinning it into a web of egregious bullsh|t about Sharia Law and ‘God-knows-what-all. As we see, the intended audience will continue to believe it, despite multiple retractions.

  18. ^ Which could not have been any more predictable.

  19. To sum up, CNN made a mistake but for FNC it’s a conspiracy. I just read back through the FNC post and compared the tenor to this one. That was a fun exercise. I suggest everyone try it.

  20. “To sum up, CNN made a mistake but for FNC it’s a conspiracy.”

    ^^CNN was negligent and lazy in not properly fact checking the story of the ‘no go zones’ meme. It was a very stupid mistake.

    FNC didn’t bother to fact check the ‘no go zones’ tale because the ‘no go zones’ meme fit perfectly into the anti-Muslim storyline they were putting out at the time. If Mr. Emerson hadn’t gone over the top with the Birmingham part of the story then they would still be talking about ‘no go zones’. No conspiracy but not a mistake; just not fact checking a story that fit their political goals. It’s what they do all the time.

  21. CNN talked about ‘no-go’ zones on January 9 and 10, per the column. The 10th, Saturday, was the day this kind of blew up with Judge Jeanine, when Steve Emerson made his unfortunate statements. Fox continued to promote this meme until the following Friday, through various shows, before retracting. No, Fritz, there’s no reason to believe that they wouldn’t still be saying it, less the mounting offense of an entire continent.

  22. Somehow how the Fox Cult will always find a way that they’re the victim, and “the liberal media” got off the hook. It’s not worth responding to.

  23. Meanwhile, not only did CNN broadcast, uncritically, the no-go zone stuff, they slammed FNC afterward. Anderson Cooper in particular, let the no-go zone stuff run on his show. Then, he subsequently went after FNC and Jindal without noting the same was said on his own program. That’s a special kind of greatness. But…..Fox.

    The anger inside the anti-Fox folks is odd. If someone dressed up as the Fox News logo for Halloween and rang your doorbell, you’d prolly soil your britches.

  24. Speaking of not challenging your guests: overlooked in all of this was the failure of Christiane Amanpour to challenge the Mayor of Paris’s over her threat to consider suing Fox News for “insulting” her city. Yeah, the Mayor was probably blowing smoke but still.

    You don’t have to like Fox News – in fact you can loathe it – to view that threat as just unacceptable. Since when do governments get to sue news organizations because they were “insulted”? Think of the larger implications if we allow that.

    We don’t have blasphemy laws, Madame Mayor, whether the object being “blasphemed” is Muhammed or a municipality.

  25. The Mayor of Paris was defending her city and blowing off steam after a horrible terror attack which they are grieving from. Fox News put an extended, concerted effort into implying that France caused their own “Muslim problem”, so Amanpour can be forgiven for having the decency to let the Mayor say her thing and move on.

  26. “Since when do governments get to sue news organizations because they were “insulted”? ”

    ^^It’s the USA. You can sue anybody for anything.

  27. savefarris Says:

    ^^It’s the USA.

    ^^^It’s France, actually.

  28. “^^^It’s France, actually.”

    The BBC did a story on this recently. Their conclusion was that Paris could file a lawsuit in either country but it would fail in the US. The situation in France is more complicated and what would happen to a lawsuit filed there is debatable but it would be unlikely to succeed.

  29. No serious person thinks a lawsuit is justified. Fox haters, on the hand, well, they’re not serious people.

  30. People who use the phrase “Fox haters” every time their precious is rightly criticized..are not serious people. To quote Megyn Kelly, they’re a nothing burger.

  31. “No serious person thinks a lawsuit is justified.”

    ^^No one as, far as I can tell, thinks the suit is winnable in the US and very few think it’s winnable in France.

    There are dozens of crazy lawsuits filed in the US every day. A reporter doing a story about a lawsuit, even one against FNC, is not always about attacking or ‘hating’ Fox News. It’s just a story.

    This Fox ‘hater’ crap is getting real old LS. Give it a rest.

  32. Discussing the lawsuit and the newsworthiness of it doesn’t suggest that anyone thinks it’s winnable. Helps to read what people actually say.

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