Free for All: 05/06/14

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20 Responses to “Free for All: 05/06/14”

  1. fritz3 Says:

    The few ‘rational’ Republican POTUS wannabees like Bush, Rubio, Kasich, Christie and Graham, as well as the RNC leadership can’t be very happy that some of their Republican Presidential hopefuls like Ted Cruz and Rick Perry have embraced this latest Alex Jones inspired conspiracy theory that the US armed forces training exercise in Texas (and other states) is part of a worldwide attempt by leftists to take over the USA; or some such craziness.

    The problem for Republican presidential hopefuls and the RNC is the Alex Jones conspiracy crowd makes up a large part of the Republican voting base in states like Iowa and South Carolina.

    You can be sure all the candidates will be asked their opinion on the controversy and for POTUS wannabes like Rand Paul it could prove embarrassing to answer the questions as his father, Ron Paul, is a proponent of the conspiracy.

  2. File this under “Dare I ask.”

    On this ‘Kerfuffle in Texas’ with Pamela Geller who ya got?

    Team A (“It’s about the First Amendment”)
    Sean Hannity
    Megyn Kelly

    Team B (“It’s not about free speech — it’s about an ill-advised event.”
    Bill O’Reilly
    Donald Trump
    Laura Ingraham
    Jake Tapper
    Martha MacCallum

  3. savefarris Says:

    CNN Anchor doesn’t believe in 1st Amendment:

    Oh, and Michael …

    Je suis Charlie

  4. “who ya got?”

    ^^Why can’t it be both allowed under the guise of being free speech and still be an ill advised event?

    There are lots of examples of people doing stupid things by law (stunts done by so-called daredevils etc.) that are permitted by law but have the potential of placing police, firefighters and/or first responders in mortal danger if it all goes pear shaped and this event is a prime example of just such a case.

    I’m OK with the event as long as the promoters (Geller etc.) are held legally responsible for any damages and costs incurred above and beyond the normal ones an event at this location might incur.

    For example Geller’s group should have to pay for the costs of all the extra police needed and any medical costs for anyone injured by the attack. They should also be liable for any other damages that occurred because the event endangered the people who attended.

    If you are going to put on an event that requires dozens of heavily armed police to make it safe; it’s on the promoters to pay up if the predicted outcome of potential violence happens

  5. Michael:
    Put me in camp A.

    It’s almost a daily occurrence now with somebody at CNN making a fool of themselves and their network. CNN is quickly becoming a punchline. Their only saving grace, that I can see, is Jake Tapper. Pretty much everybody else is either a hard-left activist or a moderate left joke.

  6. “CNN Anchor doesn’t believe in 1st Amendment:”

    ^^Well I can say is Chris Cuomo has never been the brightest light on the porch.

  7. “If you are going to put on an event that requires dozens of heavily armed police to make it safe; ”

    That’s probably the wrongest thing you’ve ever said. If a “draw Mohammed” event is such a dangerous threat, it’s on those who want to kill over a freaking CARTOON.

    I suppose if a black group put on a “draw a Klan member” event and they got shot at, it would be their fault?

  8. savefarris Says:

    For example Geller’s group should have to pay for the costs of all the extra police needed…

    I’d be surprised if they didn’t. That’s typically a requirement in order to get a rally permit.

    … and any medical costs for anyone injured by the attack.

    El Wrongo. The perpetrators in question should be held liable, not the person exercising their Free Speech rights. Requiring the victim to pay for the damages is just a stealth way of quashing speech.

  9. I am in Team A. I base this on my knowledge of the Neo-Nazi march happening in Skokie, IL. At the time of the march, thecommunity that was predominately Jewish. This case went all the way to the Supreme Court.

    “Oneof the most noted moments in the ACLU’s history occurred in 1978 when the ACLU defended a Nazi group that wanted to march through the Chicago suburb of Skokie, Illinois, where many Holocaust survivors lived. The ACLU persuaded a federal court to strike down three ordinances that placed significant restrictions on the Nazis’ First Amendment right to march and express their views. The decision to take the case was a demonstration of the ACLU’s commitment to the principle that constitutional rights must apply to even the most unpopular groups if they’re going to be preserved for everyone. Many now consider this one of the ACLU’s finest hours.”

    You notice they have nothing to say about the Geller event. Maybe because she is NOT a liberal?

  10. savefarris Says:

    According to the Leasing Rules at the location of the event, Geller’s group would have been responsible for paying any security staff. (page 23)

  11. Chris Cuomo did in fact erroneously say/tweet that “Hate speech is protected.” Then two hours later he (basically) says he meant ‘fighting words’ speech, which is not protected and cites Chaplinsky.

    Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire was a Supreme Court case in which the Court articulated the fighting words doctrine, a limitation of the First Amendment’s guarantee of freedom of speech.

    He then adds that, “Chaplinsky doesn’t apply to Garland.”

    If it doesn’t apply, why bring it up?

    What a weasel.

    Plus, if you read his Twitter timeline, he almost sounds like one those angry types who comment at Mediaite — calling people names and insulting their intelligence.

    Not a good day for Cuomo.

  12. Should be ““Hate speech is NOT protected.”

  13. Cuomo is at or near the top of the list of the most obnoxious people in cable news.

  14. savefarris Says:

    I am in Team A. I base this on my knowledge of the Neo-Nazi march happening in Skokie, IL.

    Illinois N*zis, you say?

  15. Geller DID pay for all security, to tune of over 10,000.

  16. imnotblue Says:

    Comments like this are why FNC (correctly) dropped Sally Kohn. What a miserable person she must be:

    Sally Kohn ✔@sallykohn
    Forgot my wallet. MTA officer let me on subway for free. #classprivilege #whiteprivilege
    9:32 AM – 7 May 2015

  17. Saw that tweet from Sally Kohn. One of the dumbest things I’ve ever read. She’s a crank.

  18. The news from (or about) Baltimore, Garland, Hillary’s email, “Clinton Cash” and Deflategate seems to be past its peak.

    What an interesting week with some cable news oriented blogs setting records for comment totals.

    So will this week be the silence after the storm, or will cable news find other equally tantalizing news stories?

    Stay tuned, I guess.

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