Phil Griffin vs. FNC…

The New York Times Brian Stelter writes about how FNC and MSNBC cover the gun control debate, though the article is more tilted to focussing on FNC. Everyone will focus on Phil Griffin throwing a bomb at FNC…

Phil Griffin, the president of MSNBC, noted that the networks ABC, CBS and NBC broadcast special reports because they deemed the president’s remarks that important. He called Fox’s decision to skip it “a disgrace.”

Admittedly that is more interesting than Michael Clemente’s non-responsive response…

Michael Clemente, Fox’s executive vice president of news, said in a statement: “Fox News has reported all sides of the gun debate — at length since well before the tragedy in Newtown, and we will continue to do so. Yesterday’s decision not carry the president’s statement live, was made when we received the following from the White House press office ‘THE PRESIDENT delivers a statement on common sense measures to reduce gun violence.’ We’ve carried and reported on numerous presidential speeches and ideas for reducing gun violence, as well as those from influentials on the other side of the issue.”

But I am most interested on how this all played out on The Five yesterday…

Earlier on “The Five” on Wednesday, during a conversation about media bias as it related to bombing coverage, the lone liberal among the five commentators, Bob Beckel, asked co-host Greg Gutfeld, “Can I talk about guns here, or do we have to stick with your topic?”

“You do whatever you want, Bob,” Mr. Gutfeld said.

“No guns? No guns, right. Of course not,” Mr. Beckel said, shrugging and looking straight into the camera, as if speaking to the producers in the control room. “Let’s let the N.R.A. run this, too.”

Mr. Gutfeld argued that “if we were pro-N.R.A., wouldn’t we talk about it, Bob?” When the Obama statement was cut off after a few seconds, Mr. Gutfeld appeared surprised by the control room’s decision. “I want to apologize,” he said at the end of the hour. “I think that should have been handled better.”

27 Responses to “Phil Griffin vs. FNC…”

  1. savefarris Says:

    FNC accidentally did Obama a favor. He came off as petulant and unbecoming in the speech. The fewer people that view his temper tantrum, the better off he’ll be.

  2. icemannyr Says:

    At the very least FNC did a bad job in how they decided to not show the Presidents speech.
    When the press conference started with a Netwon parent speaking FNC did not mention that the press conference had stated and could be watched on FOXnews.com.

    FNC waited till the president was already speaking, showed him for less then 30 seconds. Then you had Kimberly Guilfoyle smiling as she said go to FOXnews.com if you want to watch the President’s speech as they went to another topic.

  3. What would MSNBC talk about if not FNC? They are obsessed. Even former FNC contributor, SE Cupp, has thrown some digs at FNC.

  4. This is why the concept or idea of a Fox makes sense but the actual practice of the network doesn’t make too much sense.

    They’d never do this if it was a Republican president. And if another network did it to a Republican we’d have a week of nonstop stores on “those liberal bastar*** in the media”.

    Let’s see if their media watch program covers this one. Or Bernie Goldberg comments about it? Goldberg might but I’m doubtful that their news watch program will cover it. Maybe I’ll be surprised.

  5. erich500 Says:

    Let me bang my spoon on my highchair: a major piece of legislation (several in fact), created in response to one of the most horrific shooting incidents in modern American history, is voted down and the President, who aggressively supported the measure, immediately responds to the defeat and Fox News thinks it isn’t worthy of coverage.

    I mean, c’mon….

  6. icemannyr Says:

    FNC is as obsessed with MSNBC as MSNBC is obsessed with FNC.

    FNC made a big deal over the Melissa Harris-Perry promo and Hannity regularly complains about MSNBC in his media bias segments.

  7. erich500 Says:

    I don’t think Ailes and his top people think about MSNBC anywhere near as much as Griffin et al. think about FNC.

    Not even close. In every interview with Griffin I’ve read there’s a shot at Fox. Ailes rarely, if ever, mentions MSNBC.

    The hosts? Maybe.

  8. icemannyr Says:

    My comparison was hosts. I agree that FNC management do not speak about MSNBC much.

  9. imnotblue Says:

    FNC, as well as FOX broadcast, often weigh what the other networks are doing, when considering what to run. If everyone else is running program X, or the genre of program X, they often go with Y. Why grapple with everyone else trying to get a piece of the same pie?

    This may be another example of that practice… everyone else runs the presser, FNC runs something else.

    THAT SAID… bad decision. This was an instance where ratings shouldn’t have been as important as newsworthy-ness. They should have run the presser. Instead, by not running it, the story (at least from some) will be how FNC bailed on Obama, not how Obama threw a temper tantrum.

  10. The problem is that Roger Ailes still thinks like a Republican strategist, and too often runs FNC like a Rebublican website. Which wouldn’t run a speech by President Obama.

  11. icemannyr Says:

    Because of the FBI press conference I’m guessing The Five hosts are not going to talk about why the show did not broadcast President Obama’s press conference.

  12. erich500 Says:

    *^Yes, but Ailes isn’t an idiot. He’s pretty sly.

    This was dumb more then it was partisan.

    And I wonder if Ailes himself made the decision?

  13. stewartiii Says:

    MSNBC and the NYT are totally full out it, they just want to get some attention. The Five has been talking about the gun-control debate for months now, and predicted weeks ago that nothing was going to pass. FOX News knows exactly what the people are truly interested in, and they have no interest in pushing the liberal media/Democratic Party/Obama agenda:
    Poll: Only Politicians And The Media Care About Gun Control And Immigration
    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/poll-only-politicians-and-the-media-care-about-gun-control-and-immigration/

    Also the biggest, most important topic/issue of this week is the Boston bombing. The Five at the time was having a serious discussion about why the left (like MSNBC’s Matthews and NYT’s Kristof) continues to unfairly blame the right for events like the Boston bombing. So no wonder MSNBC and the NYT are attacking FOX News. And when did Obama’s unhinged rants become newsworthy?:
    Video: Obama not handling gun-control failure in Senate very well
    http://hotair.com/archives/2013/04/17/video-obama-not-handling-gun-control-failure-in-senate-very-well/

  14. That Mediaite headline has been quoted to me on Twitter, and it’s misleading BS, which is no surprise coming from The Hack Noah Rothman. That gun control is not the top priority for most Americans is not the same as THEY DON’T CARE ABOUT IT. Most people care about paying the rent and feeding their kids first. This is not news.

  15. Maybe OBOOBA should be devoting his energies to getting people jobs so they can PAY THE RENT AND FEED THE KIDS instead of going full bore on the low priority stuff. Liberal wet-dream stuff only give liberals wet dreams.

  16. Nice ideological rant, but ignores my point: That headline is a lie.

  17. Misleading or a lie?

  18. and what is a hack?

  19. imnotblue Says:

    I don’t think the decision was ideological. If it was, what would the point have been? Just one less time to show Obama? He had been defeated! It would have been better for the Republicans to show that, than not!

    It was a decision based on FNC’s usual schtick, which is to do the thing nobody else is doing. This time, it didn’t work.

  20. Larry, they can’t even have those dreams. You can’t row a boat with a rope.

  21. Both. You generally have to lie to mislead someone. “Misleading” is a nice term for “lying”. Which is misleading.

  22. I remember one of the Clinton defenders long ago claiming that it took two to lie. “One to tell it and one to listen.” That is real political gymnastics.

  23. Actually thought it was a classy move by Gutfeld to apologize.I was watching at the time and it was a bizarre and awkward moment when the producers decided to cut away from Obama`s speech after a few seconds.

  24. imnotblue Says:

    A lie is telling something knowingly false.

    Misleading is using half-truths and facts, but not necessarily all the facts.

  25. ^
    Obama, on the other hand, makes it a point to rarely make a statement containing even a small grain of truth.

  26. That’s called being a politician, not just being Barack Obama. Did you know Bush lied a lot, too? *gasp* I know what a shocker, huh?

  27. ^
    You are going to try and defend Obama by trying to bring up Bush? Bush has been out of office for over four years. This jackass promised a new type of governing based on honesty. Enough fools bought into it to elect him – twice. And I am giving Stanley Ann’s dysfunctional little boy the benefit of the doubt by claiming that he doesn’t know the difference between lying and telling the truth.

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